2014-10-30 13:30 GMT+01:00 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
(How is one supposed to answer to a mail which contains both top-posting
and bottom-posting?)
2014-10-30 10:43 GMT+01:00 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com:
Here's my old WIP proposal from last time:
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Maybve you could begin with recording ( release) - artist now, so this
doesn't get stalled? Save artist-artist for later.
2014-10-24 21:43 GMT+02:00 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com:
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On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM
Good thinking. ;-)
2014-10-29 12:54 GMT+01:00 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com:
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Maybve you could begin with recording ( release) - artist now, so this
doesn't get stalled? Save artist-artist for later.
I
libre » -
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On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote:
The artist-artist should be doable. The question is how much accuracy you
want; second/alternating, freelance and so on. Promotions - maybe Foo
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2014-09-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com:
2014-09-19 11:34 GMT+02:00 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2014-09-19 11:18 GMT+02:00 Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.com:
Is this the thing we want
*1997 remaster
Foo CD
*2010 remaster
Foo CD
probably leave deafult = unspecified = original. My suggestion would be
to have no more detail than this.
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My latest RFC from a while ago:
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-263-Works-titles-guideline-td4658896.html
Yeah, I remember that, though
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2014-03-03 22:23 GMT+01:00 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com:
It sounds like the old mb-classic releases vs. facts.
Right :-)
We can't (IMO
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, a vocal
soloist and the conductor of a production would have the same employer.
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of it could be automated,
which would be good database design
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How are you going to connect separate between translations different
lyrics without a specific relationship?
ex. Melody X with lyrics
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2014-02-21 11:21 GMT+01:00 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2014-02-21 11:03 GMT+01:00 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com:
Interesting. In Swedish, an arena is a scene; stadium translates to
sports arena.
You mean that in Swedish, the difference is more about usage that about
2014-02-21 12:52 GMT+01:00 Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.com:
On 21 February 2014 11:38, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW, are venues with retractable roofs indoors?
Of all the ones I know of, in English they would still be stadia. There
are complications like the Saporro
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https://youtu.be/_V4q0o-nKp4?t=3m18s - which is kind of what I feel all
those sub(sub)types are.
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As Brant said, over time any group can have many different members.
I believe these categories must be manually assigned. (Think about larger
ensembles/orchestras.)
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Den 25-01-2014 14:52, symphonick skrev:
If I understand you correctly
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One could also have the orchestras as sub-types of the general ensemble
types.
Isn't this mixing
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want genre-based ensembles eventually, e.g. baroque ensemble?
Unfortunately, it means more documentation...
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One could also have the orchestras as sub-types of the general ensemble
types.
Isn't this mixing different ontologies? Instrumental (mixed / string /
wind / brass) and size/complexity (symphony
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I've rewritten the proposal.
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/Work_titles
2013/10/22 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com
This was the quote from the wiki: The canonical title of the work,
expressed in the language it was originally written.
2013/10/22 Frederik Freso S. Olesen freso
Think this proposal will pass before the ordering system is in place? :-)
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I've rewritten the proposal.
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/Work_titles
You wrote it as if the ordering
guideline, the downside being that you'll have to use the
disambiguation field for something like Allegro (1st movement) Allegro
(3rd movement).
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Think
I've started a works titles guideline. Suggestions and examples welcome,
it's supposed to cover the whole of MB, not just classical.
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-263
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/Work_titles
This RFC will expire 2013-11-05.
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I've started a works titles guideline. Suggestions and examples welcome,
it's supposed to cover the whole of MB, not just classical.
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org
if people think that's better; this guideline
should not be classical-specific.
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Den 22-10-2013 11:20, symphonick skrev:
I've started a works titles guideline. Suggestions and examples welcome,
it's supposed to cover the whole of MB, not just
If I can deal with it in a separate paragraph.
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On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 20:48 +0200, symphonick wrote:
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Good question. I had canonical title (from the dev page) in the (2013)
classical titles proposal. I changed it when I realized it wasn't a
guideline.
I'm fine with both versions, what I can say is that original is
probably easier for classical music, since
This was the quote from the wiki: The canonical title of the work,
expressed in the language it was originally written.
2013/10/22 Frederik Freso S. Olesen freso...@gmail.com
Den 22-10-2013 22:04, symphonick skrev:
I'll revert to canonical if people think that's better; this guideline
-maynard.org
On 05/10/2013 10:43, symphonick wrote:
IMO classifying works as classical / non-classical should be
avoided at all costs. You'd have to spend a LOT of time defining
classical first.
You're right, but then we do this every time we make the decision does
CSG apply to this release
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But don't blame me for When_does_the_CSG_apply ;-)
Blame me!
I should probably try get that one unstuck.
Input welcome @
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/pre-RFC-When-does-the-CSG-apply-td4439312.html
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, remind me that this proposal should obsolete the
old opera guideline.
Yes, more examples would be nice :-) Feel free to suggest your favourites.
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symphonick wrote
The language parts still need some work. I'm not a fan of English for
everyone, and I'm not a fan of consistency either; I prefer that we
simply store the original title in the title field. Actually, I don't
understand why you'd want
Updated http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/CSG_Work_Titles
I tried to add a summary, I hope it works.
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2013/8/14 lixobix lt;
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lixobix wrote
Here are some particular issues:
symphonick wrote
The work
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Regarding structure, I've just done a major rewrite of the proposal, so
I'm
going to stick with this for a while. I don't understand the 7 paragraphs
bit?
The 7 paragraphs are: Title, Sources, Archaic titles, Language, Translated
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On 13 August 2013 22:07, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK artist intent pre-dates NGS (there were only tracks). Maybe
something for the documentation review team to look into?
It would be weird if you could completely replace
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Here are some particular issues:
symphonick wrote
The work title field in MusicBrainz should only contain the title given
by
the composer, sometimes along with a catalogue number.
contradicts
??
symphonick wrote
If the original title
that if an artist gives a work a
specific title, that is the artist's intention. But probably some autograph
vs. first edition issues will arise, and we will have to look into that
more.
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2013/8/14 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com
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Nicknames (such as Moonlight Sonata) are not by the composer.
But how do I identify a nickname?
Moonlight Sonata is an example of a nickname.
I imagine the question there is how are we supposed to know whether
I've updated the nicknames section. Better?
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Nicknames (such as Moonlight
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Update: I've moved the untitled stuff to a separate section.
On 08/09/2013 02:12 PM, symphonick wrote:
Now that you mention artist intent, my advice about original
titles
referred to in artist intent.
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Principle/Artist_intent#Artist_Intent
It seems like a narrower concept about special stylising - generally
spelling and capitalisation?
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2013/8/13 Frederic
the correct work.
Exactly, that's part of why development is required.
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On 08/09/2013 02:12 PM, symphonick wrote:
Now that you mention artist intent, my advice about original titles
looks problematic too. If artist intent overrides, we can't change the
title given
editing in this area but I think we need to assume people
like me who know nothing will still acquire classical music.
On Aug 8, 2013 8:37 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote:
On 08/08/2013 01:30 PM, symphonick wrote:
I can move the non-existent fields to notes, like this is a
temporary
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On 08/09/2013 10:46 AM, symphonick wrote:
updated
Much better!
General comments:
I think “secondary alias” is confusing (there is no mention of
“secondary” in the interface. I would use “non-primary alias” instead,
or “search hint alias
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On 08/09/2013 02:12 PM, symphonick wrote:
Now that you mention artist intent, my advice about original titles
looks problematic too. If artist intent overrides, we can't change the
title given by the composer?
Good question. We do need the title
OK, you asked for it ;-)
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-232
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/CSG_Work_Titles
Not quite finished, needs more examples. But I'm sure there will be lots to
discuss anyway.
This RFC will expire 22 August 2013.
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I hope we can find some sort of solution to this, many editors (including
me, obviously) aren't happy with this (manual) data duplication.
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, you asked
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On 08/08/2013 05:14 AM, symphonick wrote:
OK, you asked for it ;-)
It also doesn’t describe how to handle work-parts with no title
(including no tempo marking).
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-232
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officially released? Or For a recording not officially released?
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dealing better with musical videos, not hide them under the rug
saying whatever, merge them all.
+1
BTW IMO mastering is not a good description for _mixing_ video audio.
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it doesn't happen often.
Yeah, that's it. And reissues can have different titles too.
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E.g. a track named The Swan of Tuonela must be connected to a recording
named Tuonelan joutsen. A more classical specific example is String
Quartet vs. Quartet for strings; one of these formats will be wrong
depending
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is that we add something using the word attributed
to a work-artist composer AR:
Artist composed work
Artist attributedly composed work
Also, shouldn't artist composed recording be deprecated, or at least
there should be a note about Artist composed work being the usual case.
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Didn't see the graphics before. I'm not wild about this new Master
track entity, I'm not sure what it's supposed to represent. If you must
have this, define it like you define recordings: A master track is an
entity in MB something.
2013/5/20 Ben Ockmore ben.s
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, 2013 10:11 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote:
In the same way that a remix is made from source audio and not any
previous mix, a remaster will usually be based on a specific mix, and not
on any previous master. I'm sure there are exceptions, where you take
previously mastered tracks
distinct (or something else: separate, another?) to
new. It's the difference rather than the age that matters
So no, I don't hate it, but I'm not in love yet either!
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Done.
BTW, Indicates the artist who arranged a tune into a form suitable for
performance. kind of implies that a song is unsuitable for performance
unless someone has done an arrangement?
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:35 PM, symphonick
in
software could be defined as editing?
Or, are you meaning that some new mixes are called edits?
Yes. I'll see if I can dig up some examples.
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Can you tell us what you don't
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I'm not sure whether this helps:
Editing involves adding, removing, lengthening, shortening or
re-arranging audio track. Other
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+1 for separate or distinct
I've been trying to edit the edit section, but I'm not 100% happy with
the results so far. Ideas?
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discussed: This AR guideline - like any other AR
guideline - describes how to use this AR to connect between existing works
in MB. An AR guideline cannot, for instance, define what a work is in MB.)
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Master A is lost?
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aren't considering here.
The mix is passed to the mastering engineer who will produce the
master.
Editing and mixing take place before the mix is completed and sent for
mastering.
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it should have)
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symphonick wrote
About relationships recordings: since we're missing a
performance/source
level above recordings, relationships that in theory links to the source
audio will be more or less inaccurate. E.g
don't really
care, just thought it might help.
Not before mixing? How can you avoid mixing the new material the old?
Otherwise I agree with LordSputnik, it sounds like a remix.
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2013/4/22 Tom Crocker tomcrockerm...@gmail.com
On 22 April 2013 12:43, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote:
Since overdub is sometimes printed on the track list, (and since
track lists seldom give definitions
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but also
sampling in mixes.
P. S. I must have missed where you changed the other definitions to be
more like mine!
The new mastering definition by symphonick is good but I'd probably drop
the second sentence you've got since mastering is not a semantic level in
MB and it's superfluous (you
all we
say is:
Audio tracks are a related but different concept to release tracks -or-
Audio tracks should not be confused with release tracks
Any other suggestions, or just leave it to be potentially a bit confusing
but not drastically?
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of recordings to prepare
them for release.
Mastering is a process that is applied to a group of recordings, to get a
coherent sound and loudness between tracks on a release.
(should be read as _usually_ applied to a group of recordings)
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engineer is a release-level
AR, but it's not hugely important.
The rest (the explanation) is purely optional from my point of view. As I
said, it just makes the mastering-definition comparable to the other
definitions.
2013/4/19 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com
2013/4/19 monxton musicbra
2013/4/19 LordSputnik ben.s...@gmail.com
symphonick wrote
IMO the guidelines should cover common usage, I believe stranger
artistic
projects can be regarded as an exception here. ;-)
Does explaining mastering help? Maybe, maybe not; I added the last
suggestion because the other terms
2013/4/19 LordSputnik ben.s...@gmail.com
symphonick wrote
If it only adds confusion it's better to leave it out. But if the current
recording definition implies that a recording/track are mastered
individually, I must take back my support. :-( I didn't read it that way,
can you explain
.
IMO the previous version was much better (MusicBrainz Recordings do not
indicate any particular mastering.).
Don't try to explain why a mastering is not a recording in MB. Most
mixing also happens after recording (unless you capture something using
multiple mics pre-mixed to stereo).
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