Il 18:30, domenica 2 dicembre 2001, hai scritto:
Ciao a tutti, un po' di tempo fa qualcuno ha scritto di aver risolto il
problema del modem internosu un laptop della Acer. Ho provato a seguire
le istruzioni ma quando lancio lspci, tra i dati che ottengo, non c'e'
traccia di alcun modem
Installando sul mio laptop la release Mandrake 8, mi sono accorto che non
veniva riconosciuto il modem HARM5600 (winmodem).
Dopo qualche ricerca, ho trovato una nota che il file
SLMDM-2.04-00_20mdk.src.rpm, risolve pienamente il problema questo in una
vostra e-mail di assistenza.
Dato che non
Ciao a tutti,
sapete se il Modem ADSL Ericcson HM 120dp è utilizzabile con linux?
Grazie
Marco
--- tatiana_morosetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
dunque: nessun problema a formattare perchè il comp
e' vuoto e posso
pasticciare quanto voglio. io ho provato a fare
questo: da lin ho
creato spazio per win (installando di nuovo la
mandrake 8.0, che mi da
la possbilita' di creare
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
funziona, grazie. Come fai a smontare DevFS?
...Cioe', a disabilitarlo all'avvio?
Devi aggiungere la riga devfs=nomount nel lilo.conf
(oppure se usi grub nel suo file di configurazione
...che pero' non so qualse sia ;)).
Ciao! Steo.
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, [utf-8] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ciao a tutti, un po' di tempo fa qualcuno ha scritto di aver risolto il
problema del modem internosu un laptop della Acer. Ho provato a seguire
le istruzioni ma quando lancio lspci, tra i dati che ottengo, non c'e'
traccia di alcun
Il giorno 14:04, domenica 2 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
funziona, grazie. Come fai a smontare DevFS?
ciaoMatteo
Ciao Matteo,
per disabilitare il devfs è sufficiente inserire la stringa devfs=nomount
nel file di configurazione del tuo
Il giorno 18:58, venerdì 30 novembre 2001 hai scritto:
Installando sul mio laptop la release Mandrake 8, mi sono accorto che non
veniva riconosciuto il modem HARM5600 (winmodem).
Dopo qualche ricerca, ho trovato una nota che il file
SLMDM-2.04-00_20mdk.src.rpm, risolve pienamente il problema
Il giorno 20:35, domenica 2 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
Scusa ma come hai fatto a risolvere il problema,
dove hai trovato i drivers? sul sito www.nvidia.com quale drivers hai
scaricato per la Mandrake 8.1?
Scusami ma sono alle prime armi, e avendo reinstallato il tutto già tre
volte non
Il giorno 12:09, lunedì 3 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:
funziona, grazie. Come fai a smontare DevFS?
...Cioe', a disabilitarlo all'avvio?
Devi aggiungere la riga devfs=nomount nel lilo.conf
(oppure se usi grub nel suo file di
Il giorno 09:28, lunedì 3 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
Ciao a tutti,
sapete se il Modem ADSL Ericcson HM 120dp è utilizzabile con linux?
Grazie
Marco
Ciao Marco,
sul sito di Linux Mandrake trovi un archivio dell'hardware. Hai provato a
guardare se il tuo modem c'è nell'elenco? Inoltre, il
Ciao, ho un problema con l'audio. quando si carica kde sento la musica di
sottofondo ma poi non avverto + nessun segnale sonoro e non riesco a sentire
i cd musicali. Non ho trovato nulla al riguardo. Qualcuno mi sa dare delle
indicazioni? Con win98 sullo stesso computer funziona tutto. la
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Jacopo Ortis wrote:
Ciao, ho un problema con l'audio. quando si carica kde sento la musica di
sottofondo ma poi non avverto + nessun segnale sonoro e non riesco a sentire
i cd musicali. Non ho trovato nulla al riguardo. Qualcuno mi sa dare delle
indicazioni? Con win98
Daniele ha scritto:
sul sito di Linux Mandrake trovi un archivio dell'hardware. Hai provat
o a
guardare se il tuo modem c'è nell'elenco? Inoltre, il consiglio in que
sti
casi è sempre quello di scrivere al produttore e chiedere se esistano
driver
per Linux. In genere non se ne
Il giorno 15:59, lunedì 3 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
Ciao Daniele,
ho fatto entrambe le cose.
Nulla sul fronte del database Mandrake mentre dalla Ericsson mi hanno
risposto di chiedere al mio service provider ...
A quel punto ho risposto loro che volendo sapere se esistevano driver
per
Il giorno 17:50, domenica 2 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
Non riproduce nessun suono, ne di kde, gnome C.
tantomeno cd o mp3, completamente muto! Ho controllato
il bios e PnP OS Installed è disabilitata. La scheda
la riconosce nel setup di installazione (senza darmi
modo di verificarla o
Daniele ha scritto:
premesso che non ho l'ADSL e non sono quindi la persona più adatta ad
aiutarti (e perchè mi rispondi? ti starai chiedendo...)
Mai al mondo!
Grazie comunque ;-)
Ciao
Marco
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scritto:
il ./configure (che da me parte solo se faccio sh
configure)
E' strano, la shell dovrebbe eseguirti lo stesso lo
script. Hai provato proprio a lanciare ./configure
(cioe' con il ./ davanti?)
mette come fine della riga :no mentre nei restanti a
Ciao Daniele, ma il drivers l'hai scaricato dall'elenco che trovi sotto la
voce "ftp"?
Ciao Milko
Daniele Micci wrote:
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Il giorno 20:35, domenica 2 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
Scusa ma come hai fatto a risolvere il problema,dove hai trovato i drivers? sul sito
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:14:53 +0100
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Il 14:42, domenica 2 dicembre 2001, hai scritto:
Qualcuno conosce il comando x disinstallare il Lilo??non lo ricordo più
Da linux ci
Ciao Ragazzi,
da neofita come voi, per la prima volta e con grande soddisfazione,
ho scoperto da me, come far funzionare le schede audio che su mdk 8.1 sembra
abbiano alcuni problemi !!!
Purtroppo sembra un errore ( o piu ) di Mandrakesoft.
Per passare al succo della faccenda, bisogna
Salve a tutti,
Mi sto cimentanto nella creazione di pagine web ed il liguaggio html direi
che è piuttosto accessibile. Ora desidererei alpliare le mie conoscenze in
altri linguaggi tra cui: Java e javascript su linux.
domanda: cosa mi occorre? (in più ripetto alla microsoft). dove trovo
Damian G wrote:
after you downloaded the .bin files, you have to run them. watch for
the file's access permissions. usually you won't be able to run them
right away. in KDE, right click on the file and in properties turn
execute permission on.
Don't forget to be root use the /net
I think my KDE has a memory leak, although I've not been able to find any
info on the possibility at kde.org. When I first turn on the computer, KDE is
using about 80MB, just now it was using 250MB (ouch!). I got those two
numbers from gtop. The memory usage builds up slowly over time.
I just
Hello folks !!!
Can Anyone help me?
One Friend of my, both a pc:
AMD Athon 1GHz,
256 RAM,
2 HD's 20Gb, (Window$, Linux)
1 DVD (LG),
1 CDRW (LG)
And the problem --Fax/modem: USR 3cp5610a
I can't do this modem worked in Windows or Linux, I
tryed all COM Ports, in Window$, (COM1 and COM2); and
this has been gone into for ever..but what you are veiwing _Might_ have to do
with the cache use by linux. I don't think it is a memory leak (this ain't
your win 95 box)
On Monday 03 December 2001 04:08, you wrote:
I think my KDE has a memory leak, although I've not been able to find any
Title: programming
Hi,
Is there a Linux programming equivalent of this mailing group? i.e. newbie?
Thanks for any suggestions.
Volkan Varol
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On Monday 03 December 2001 07:43 pm, ethan wrote:
I tried that and got this :
umount /mnt/cdrom
umount: /mnt/cdrom: not mounted
[root@Echelon ethan]# eject
eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[root@Echelon ethan]# eject
eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid
nope. tried that as well:
eject cdrom and /dev/cdrom gives:
eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
Tom Brinkman wrote:
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On Monday 03 December 2001 07:43 pm, ethan wrote:
I tried that and got this : umount /mnt/cdromumount: /mnt/cdrom: not
Hi all
I have proftpd setup at home and here at work i'd like to access it. At
home I tried it out and it works fine over the home network... using cuteftp
here at work produces the following log... basically it hangs a while on
Connecting data socket... and then says Failed to establish data
Hello, Gang:
Has anyone gotten a Zoom USB modem to work in Mandrake 8.1? My friend bought
Mandrake on a whim and is trying to get it setup, but the only modem he has
is this USB modem. I don't know the model number right off hand, but was
wondering if anyone had any luck at all with USB
Here's an interesting question. I just received a USB Smart Card
Reader for my credit card in the mail today. Does anyone know if
these are compatible with Linux, and if so, how to go about using it?
Would really hate to have to dual-boot into Window$ just to use the
smart card reader.
Hello all,
My roommate and I are trying to put together a multimedia server to
output mp3's and DVD's to our TV/stereo set up. I'm trying to decide on
which video card to use that contains as many options and features as
possible, while at the same time being as low cost as possible. So far
I've
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On Sunday 02 December 2001 09:54 pm, you wrote:
I know I had set this up right on a different CPU, but I can't figure
out what I'm doing wrong. For some reason I can't get my ~dherndon43/
directory to work. I'm getting a:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access
On Monday 03 December 2001 03:08 am, you wrote:
I just shutdown kde and looked at my memory with top, and despite all the
kde processes being gone the memory usage didn't drop by much at all. At
runlevel 3 with X/kde shutdown, and nothing but top being ran by me
directly, I had about 70MB
Paul Rodríguez wrote:
I'm no expert on Wine and wine debugging, but I would suggest you
download the latest CVS builds from http://wine.dataparty.no . These
will always be the latest version every day. And they are easy to
download/install. I have had them running with no problems
I am using Mandrake Linux 8.1 Standard edition on my PC. I have only been
using Linux for about two weeks. I want to modify my kernal. According to my
Linux for Dummies book, there is supposed to be a /usr/src/linux
directory, but I don't see it. I appreciate help on this subject because I
want
Hi Alan;
Looks like you did not select to install all needed kernel rpm's during
you'r initial install.
You can find them on your install CD's
Ingo
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Outstanding, thanks for the info. I will try this out when I get home
tonight.
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Subject: Re: [newbie] apache public_html help needed
In order for apache to be
Rob,
Just a guess: before you startx, do a
rm -f .DCOPserver*
and then startx. KDE fails to load for me about once a week. This
always fixes the problem for me.
Miark
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Yes I did see that item in my httpd.conf file. I didn't realize it was
malformed
Thanks for this info.
Here;s a snippet from the apache faq, it might help.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#forbidden
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Why do I get a Forbidden
Oh yeah, forgot to include my computer's specs:
standard Gateway motherboard
PII 400MHz Processor
SoundBlaster 512K PCI card
1 AGP slot, several other open PCI slots
2 PCI 10/100 Ethernet cards (both work fine in Linux)
1 ISA generic 56K modem
128M PC100 SDRAM
10GB Maxtor HDD
DVD-ROM drive (I
i have a geforce 3, the tvout works great on it and Xv is now supported, so
you should get a decent frame rate. If you unplug your monitor and just have
s-video plugged in, it will automatically boot up to your tv. I have it
setup so that when I press ctrl-alt-F8, it displays on the tv
Well, the tide of messages regarding all of your opinions has ended, and I
am happy to report the following, in order, winners:
1. Top posting ok
2. Please change subject line when replying and changing main point of
previous message
3. Please snip replies
4. Please bottom post to keep
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, ethan wrote:
Hi, Ethan!
I've seen these msg just now! I hope it helps!
I had recently something this! I messed up the symlinks!
Try in this order:
1.type 'eject' as root! if it work, you have permissions problems!
as root,
Ok, so I did try to update the kernel using mandrake-update. Everything
went well (or so I thought) until I rebooted my machine. A lot of things
were missing in the new kernel, such as mounting fat drives and networking.
Is there any way to restore these features? Do I need to re-install or
Okay, grabbing the latest cvs build (stripped) from WineHQ worked. It was odd
though. I removed the Mandrake Wine version, deleted .wine from my /home dir,
and then installed the new Wine. Tried running it on SC, and it said it could
not find the .wine folder. So...I made a .wine directory. Ran
Im looking for a PIM that has the look and feal of pine. You know,
somthing i can run on the console over ssh. Any ideas?
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Ed Tharp wrote:
this has been gone into for ever..but what you are veiwing _Might_ have to do
with the cache use by linux. I don't think it is a memory leak (this ain't
your win 95 box)
I don't think there is anything inherent in Linux which will prevent
memory leaks -- it comes down to care
My installation of xinetd (from the downloadable CD images) came with tcpd
capabilities already compiled in, so that I did not have to add the tcpd
information to my xinetd.conf file.
When I make changes to the host.allow and host.deny files, xinetd restricts
access accordingly, without any
On Monday 03 December 2001 12:17 pm, you wrote:
Ed Tharp wrote:
this has been gone into for ever..but what you are veiwing _Might_ have
to do with the cache use by linux. I don't think it is a memory leak
(this ain't your win 95 box)
I don't think there is anything inherent in Linux
yes.. but when that process terminates... the memory should be returned to
the system, right? in which case... the OS never lost track of it.
On Monday 03 December 2001 12:59 pm, you wrote:
On Monday 03 December 2001 12:17 pm, you wrote:
Ed Tharp wrote:
this has been gone into for
On Monday 03 December 2001 09:24 am, Kathy Montgomery wrote:
My installation of xinetd (from the downloadable CD images) came with tcpd
capabilities already compiled in, so that I did not have to add the tcpd
information to my xinetd.conf file.
When I make changes to the host.allow and
Richard Wenninger wrote:
yes.. but when that process terminates... the memory should be returned to
the system, right? in which case... the OS never lost track of it.
Maybe there are different levels of memory leak? In many cases after
you shut down a Windows program which continued to use
This is known as an 'X respawning' problem.
It can occur for a variety of reasons. The most common is a misconfigured
video driver. To get around it get your friend to try doing this:-
Wait for it to pause to catch its breath, and then hit Ctl+Alt+F2 to get you
to another console window
Log in
On Monday 03 December 2001 15:47, you wrote:
As I understand it a leak is returned to the OS after the program
finishes. The problem with leaks is they can cause problems while the
program is running.
There were problems with different versions of windows, where the memory
was NOT
Sorry if this has been flogged to death.
When I reboot the machine eth0 fails to initialize. The cure so far has been
to go through the mandrake control center network setup and the security and
firewall setups. The first attempt to run the security and firewall setup
gives the error message
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 04:38, Allen Herndz wrote:
I have a pretty old version of Galeon on my mdk 8.0 (0.10.2), and I just
wanted to know how to get Java working.
I have a very slow connection and I can't make the rpms work coz I don't
have the Mozilla srces.
Just looking for any quick
Just making sure that my posts are making it. Happy Monday, everyone.
Warren
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Kfind isn't bad.
3 methods to use it:
Applications -- File Tools -- Find Files
or Alt+F2 runss a launcher you can type kfind there.
or from the console kfind. It's not really useful to run a GUI
program from the console for long peiods of time because the console
needs to stay open for the
to get java working, run mozilla as root (is this safe ?), go to
java.sun.com, it will tell you that you need the java plug-in, say ok, when
it takes you to the new web page, click java for linux, it should download
and install, restart mozilla, and java should work, java should now also work
On 03 Dec 2001 16:47:11 -0500
Paul Rodr$ByH(Buez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok
Lets say I have files in Dir2 which I have symlinks for in Dir1.
So the contents of Dir1 include links to all the files in Dir2, plus
files of its own...
I want to delete all of those symlinks in Dir1 for
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 12:27, Mark D'voo wrote:
to get java working, run mozilla as root (is this safe ?), go to
java.sun.com, it will tell you that you need the java plug-in, say ok, when
it takes you to the new web page, click java for linux, it should download
and install, restart
hello.
i have 2 basic questions abt xfree86:
1.
how can you easily tell what version you are running?
2.
i believe that i'm running 3.3.6 (because it mandrake software manager,
under installed, i found xfree86-server-common 3.3.6), but i'd like to
upgrade to 4.1.0. what is the best way to
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name=YOU_ARE_FAT!.MP3.scr
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again by removing the underscore. Could just be a spammer.
It's a Windows virus. The gibberish is the encoded virus executable
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, NDPTAL85 wrote:
In top what is kapm-idled and why is it taking up all of my CPU time? Is
it just marking how much idle CPU time there is?
Not quite its actually the kernels advanced power management process. What
normally happens when your machine is idle, has nothing to
hi gang,
i read a tip in the muo board about loading two desktop/window manager. i know about
changing consoles so im looking for the direction on how to load an additional window
manager in another console. simply invoking in another console the startx (actually
Xtart) produces a lock
On Monday 03 December 2001 07:55 pm, Rich wrote:
On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 12:27, Mark D'voo wrote:
to get java working, run mozilla as root (is this safe ?), go to
java.sun.com, it will tell you that you need the java plug-in,
say ok, when it takes you to the new web page, click java for
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:05:07 -0500
Anuerin G. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi gang,
i read a tip in the muo board about loading two desktop/window manager. i know
about changing consoles so im looking for the direction on how to load an additional
window manager in another console.
The simplest way I've found (without having to remember complicated commands)
is to simply hit CTL+Alt+F2 and then log on as root and type gdm This will
put you straight into the gnome log on window and from there you can open the
window manager of your choice.
Its a helluva good
you know what's strange:
I tried to insert a normal CD into the tray and it mounts. So eject command
is able to eject the cdrom
after that, once I insert the audio cd inside, eject also can eject the cdrom
now
previously eject cannot eject the audio cdrom. Does anyone have an idea of
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:38:43 +
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The simplest way I've found (without having to remember complicated commands)
is to simply hit CTL+Alt+F2 and then log on as root and type gdm This will
put you straight into the gnome log on window and from there you
from any command line you can just run:
startx -- :1 or if you want three graphic desktops
startx -- :2 if you want to run gnome
startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
mark
On Tuesday 04 December 2001 21:22, you wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:38:43 +
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lúcio Costa de Almeida wrote:
Hello folks !!!
Can Anyone help me?
One Friend of my, both a pc:
AMD Athon 1GHz,
256 RAM,
2 HD's 20Gb, (Window$, Linux)
1 DVD (LG),
1 CDRW (LG)
And the problem --Fax/modem: USR 3cp5610a
I can't do this modem worked in Windows or Linux, I
tryed all
Guys,
what's the best alternative to QuickTime ? Ran into a site that requires
QT but problem is that its only available for Windoze and Mac...
/thanks
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:40:15 +0600
Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from any command line you can just run:
startx -- :1 or if you want three graphic desktops
startx -- :2 if you want to run gnome
startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
mark
thanks mark but i encountered this while
true, it doesn't bother me though, If you are using kde you can press alt-f2
(run command), and type it in there, then you won't see any of the debug info
On Tuesday 04 December 2001 21:57, you wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:40:15 +0600
Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from any command
Ed Tharp wrote:
well now... i guess it depends on your dafinition (spelled the way i wanted)
of what is a memory leak. i would have bet that was abiword cacheing the
documentsand I have noticed the same behaivior with Adobe Photoshop. it does
make re-opening the same file somewhat quicker in
what exactly are you trying to do?
you usually run .jar, if it has a class in it that defines the main() method, as:
java -jar FILE.jar
At 22:35 01/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
How do run .jar files on Mandrake 8.1? I still have not figured it out.
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:46:37 +0900
tek1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what exactly are you trying to do?
you usually run .jar, if it has a class in it that defines the main() method, as:
java -jar FILE.jar
That is what I am doing, this is what I get and it doesn't have anything to do with
it should not but I still dont see where the second manager went (did it come up?). i
thought the loading failed as is implied by the the 'Fatal Server Error'.
ciao!
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:02:23 +0600
Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
true, it doesn't bother me though, If you are using kde
On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:52:03 -0500
Jon Doe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:46:37 +0900
tek1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what exactly are you trying to do?
you usually run .jar, if it has a class in it that defines the main() method, as:
java -jar FILE.jar
That is
With some [read LOTS] of help on IRC, I found way to do this:
find dir1/ -lname /dir2 | xargs rm
this find all files in dir1 which link to dir2 (it's important to know
whether you want to find files that link relatively or absolutely), then
pipes this info to xargs and rm. Try it just up to
from what i can see, it provides only the libraries needed to run quicktime
movies. Are there any executable binaries that can be used as plugins to
Linux Netscape 6.2 ? thanks...
mycal62 wrote:
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try this url : http://www.heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3
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I have just dedicated one of my machines as a Linux server. Installed
Mandrake 8.1 and chose server partitioning. Almost everything works great!
That is it does immediately after I set up internet connection sharing, but
after a server reboot I can no longer use the shared connection until I
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