Re: [newbie-it] Red Hat????

2001-06-23 Per discussione Daniele Micci
Cos'è, si è scatenata una guerra fratricida tra sostenitori di distribuzioni diverse? Mettiamola così: usate quel che vi pare. Purchè sia Linux! ;-) Le distribuzioni principali sono, da quel che mi risulta, tutte ottimi prodotti. Quindi la scelta tra l'una e l'altra è spesso una questione più

[newbie-it] Mandrake 8.0 mi pianta all'avvio!!

2001-06-23 Per discussione GiuCri
Ciao, c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi a risolvere il mio problema? Ho installato la Mandrake 8.0 e stranamente ha riconosciuto l'HD montato sul Controller pci della Promise. Non mi sembrava vero...e infatti finita l'installazione il lilo parte tranquillamente, ma scegliendo di avviare linux il

Re: R: [newbie-it] Red Hat????

2001-06-23 Per discussione ioadamo
Il 19:46, venerdì 22 giugno 2001, Andrea Conti ha scritto: E' inutile aprire una guerra delle distribuzioni. Così come ritengo penosa la diatriba KDE vs. Gnome. Tra le tante cose eccellenti di Linux c'è la libertà di scelta (free software!). Il punto è che questa ML è dedicata a Mandrake, a

[newbie-it] Problema com MDK8

2001-06-23 Per discussione Antonio Bonfà
Riposto il mio problema, la volta precedente non ho ricevuto risposte. Ho installato la MDK8 e ne sono contento funziona a meraviglia pero' si verifica uno spiacevole inconveniente, ogni volta che riavvio la macchina perdo la configurazione per il collegamento in internet e devo ogni volta

[newbie] nVidia drivers on patched kernel

2001-06-23 Per discussione Miark
I asked before how to apply the new nVidia drivers to a patched kernel. Well, I found my answer at nVidia (duh). They have a src rpm for the job. So I do the rebuild, but then when I install it, I get the following errors: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in

[newbie] ISDN still...

2001-06-23 Per discussione Paul
Hi all, Things have changed not much after going back to kernel 2.2.19. The initial look that the connection was much better that way has proven wrong. It is better, but still stays behind on what I am used to. So if someone has a smart idea... Paul -- UNIX was not designed to stop you from

[newbie] samba started but status says it is stopped

2001-06-23 Per discussione ETSoft
Hello although i give the command 'samba start', samba status says it is stopped and i do not see the computer on the net. Here is my smb.conf ... : [global] printing = bsd printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes guest account = Etsoft null passwords = yes log file =

Re: [newbie] PartImage - Very useful for O/S Fiddlers

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Lin Kenham wrote: Hi everyone. As one who enjoys messing with Linux, I dont risk my system by fiddling with major updates or reconfiguring. Instead I have 3 different systems, Caldera, Mandrake 7.2 and now Mandrake 8.0. So it doesnt matter if I destroy one. What we need is a quick

[newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2778923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility

Re: [newbie] Install error

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Friday 22 June 2001 07:31 pm, Michael Leone wrote: No. There's no permissions in Winblows, which is one reason it's so inherently insecureable. M$ uses those attributes (ie, hidden and Windows most certainly has file permissions. Or have you never looked at WinNT or Win2K? Check

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Lanman
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,...Here we go again. I'd like to suggest that we send in Duke Nuke'm to slap these guys around. What they don't seem to realize (Or maybe they do???Hmmm.) is that they're not just reporting the news (?) but they're one of the biggest reasons that popularity of Linux is being

Re: [newbie] Your article is premature in articel http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3387/1

2001-06-23 Per discussione Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:49, Romanator wrote: This is what people want, the freedom to choose and write and reconfigure their systems to their liking. Just because Word is not included as part of the operating system, it isn't the end all. It would be interesting to find how many C++ companies

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Sridhar Dhanapalan
This is proof that the Wintel Cartel lives on after the antitrust trial (where Intel testified against M$). After all these years, did you think that it would just roll-over and die? Of course not. Here, we have a symbiotic relationship. Both Intel chips and M$ apps have become ubiquitous

Re: [newbie] How can I figure out my IP address?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tim Holmes
And contrary to popular belief, you don't HAVE to be root to run ifconfig. The only problem is it's not in the usual users's PATH. So you'll have to either edit your PATH, or just type out the entire path location. [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr

[newbie] installing software

2001-06-23 Per discussione Cliff Gosden
I have LM8 installed and am trying to install Star Office (down load version) How do you do it?

Re: [newbie] Merging Mail Folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tim Holmes
I don't use a GUI mail client, but my sister uses KMail. I thought I saw an option for import/export. Not sure if that means you can assimilate mail into your mail boxes, but if you can, all you should need to do would be copy the folders to your $HOME and then use Kmail's drop down menus and

[newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature.

Re: [newbie] moving drives

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Friday 22 June 2001 10:33 pm, Michael Falzon wrote: Hi All ok i'm using mandrake 8.0 it running ok but i had slow started to run out of drive space on both windows and linux, so to fix this i have move my windows to a new drive so now linux is on /dev/hda and windows is now on

[newbie] Anybody else being icmped to death?

2001-06-23 Per discussione s
For a couple of weeks my logs have been full of reportedly blocked icmp probes. I mean FULL, all day long every second. I hope Bastille has got me covered. (I mean it only logs blocked attempts, it don't log what gets thru). I configured Bastille with the Interactive setup, and chose most

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Lanman wrote: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,...Here we go again. I'd like to suggest that we send in Duke Nuke'm to slap these guys around. What they don't seem to realize (Or maybe they do???Hmmm.) is that they're not just reporting the news (?) but they're one of the biggest reasons that popularity of

[newbie] Tracking your order?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall
Civileme, this one is for you, I guess... ;-) I recently used your website to purchase the Mandrake 8.0 Powerpack (7 CD's chock full of wonderful stuff!), and I was wondering how to check its status. I went thru the website and I apologise if I missed it. (its not like I'm eager to get this or

Re: [newbie] How can I figure out my IP address?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Yep. I just ran a check as user with no problems. Tim Holmes wrote: And contrary to popular belief, you don't HAVE to be root to run ifconfig. The only problem is it's not in the usual users's PATH. So you'll have to either edit your PATH, or just type out the entire path location.

Re: [newbie] installing software

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Cliff Gosden wrote: I have LM8 installed and am trying to install Star Office (down load version) How do you do it? Cliff, If you have Linux Powerpack it will be on your CD. Otherwise, navigate to www.sun.com and register. You will be able to download the file. Hold down the shift key and

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Sridhar Dhanapalan
This brings up an interesting point. Many people and organisations don't switch to GNU/Linux because they don't know of any real-world case studies that demonstrate its success. My information systems subjects at uni are full of real-world case studies, and we (well, at least I) learn well by

Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Sridhar Dhanapalan
Try the tree command. It's basically a clone of the old DOS programme. For details: $ man tree You can send the output to a text file for printing (or directly to a printer if you really want): $ tree filename Note that if there are many files this can take a *very* long

Re: [newbie] Merging Mail Folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Sridhar Dhanapalan
In the Mandrake menu system: Networking - Mail - KMail Import Or kmailcvt from a command line. There's no option for importing other MBOX (standard UNIX) mailboxes, but perhaps the Eudora or Pegasus import filters may work -- maybe with some changing of file extensions of the mail files to

Re: [newbie] oh no... deleted something....

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tim Holmes
Did you do this in a console window? If you did a: rm file_name And told it verified that you wanted it deleted, then it's gone, and you can't get it back. Now if you had an icon some place and highlighed the icon and then clicked delete, then it should be in your TrashCan if you haven't

[newbie] RE: Connect w/ ISP, but unable to surf/ver. 8.0

2001-06-23 Per discussione Rita F. Koenigs
This may be of interest: I tried Gnome out, and it was just as slow .. but I did get to a point where it asked me if I wanted to disable the LAN configuration. I tapped the disable button, but it still shows up when I try it again. Why is it going so slowly? Memory info: total 62,460/51,544

Re: [newbie] How do you figure out your port number for your workstation?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Chris Keelan wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to get KNode working. However, how do I find out what my port number is for Host, POP and SMPT? Just checking things out. Unless your ISP has some special settings, SMTP servers usually listen on TCP

RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Loke Kit Kai
right... asking experienced people for help... it is this kind of mail that push me off linux... I did gave linux a try, post a few mails on this mailing list... how? got any help? NO!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey M. Reed

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Saturday 23 June 2001 11:17 am, Romanator wrote: You also hit the nail. Our market is flooded with so much substandard ICs and boards. I have caught many errors or crashes caused by hardware of which I thought was caused by software. I ended up replacing a board or chip and the crash

RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Franki
people can only help if they know of your problem,,, I have had many problems that I've had to solve myself,, because others have no knowledge of it... the fact is, that for many of the problems I have had, this list has been invaluable... The best way of fixing probs i have had, is to go to

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Lanman
Did you know that we are agreeing with you?? We were quoting news articles on various web-sites and bashing them, O.K.?? Dan

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Lanman
I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their PC's They're just going to have to open a book and (GASP!!) read !

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 11:17 am, Romanator wrote: You also hit the nail. Our market is flooded with so much substandard ICs and boards. I have caught many errors or crashes caused by hardware of which I thought was caused by software. I ended up replacing a board

RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Loke Kit Kai
I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me... basically, my language is on the weaker side... I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will stop there if other applications do not provide the same user

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
John wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 02:44:34 -0400, Lanman wrote: I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their

[newbie] Reiser FS and swap partitions

2001-06-23 Per discussione Kouros Owzar
Hi. I decided to reinstall LM 8.0 using Reiser FS partitions. It is my understanding that this FS is more robust against accidental system shutdowns than standard ext2 Linux partitions. In addressing these questions, please keep in mind that I put higher value on stability than on speed and

Fwd: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Dennis M.
I did it again, ment to send this to the list not just the individual.. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:54:50 -0400 From: Dennis M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeffrey M. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 23

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Lanman
Hey Franki; Thanks for handling this guy. He was replying to me, and I explained a few things to him as well. I hadn't seen his original posts about his problems, but of course, given enough information, and the time required, I'm sure someone would be able to help him. but he doesn't seem

Re: [newbie] Reiser FS and swap partitions

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tom Brinkman
On Saturday 23 June 2001 03:41 pm, Kouros Owzar wrote: I have a dual Xeon II system with 256MB RAM + 18.2 GB U2 SCSI drive. It currently has 4 NTFS + 1 FAT 32 partitions AND / /boot /root /home /usr /usr/local /tmp /var + 2 Linux swap partitions. The latter were all created using diskdrake.

Re: [newbie] LM 8 Gateway Athlon Problem, Can't do workaroundwith DL version

2001-06-23 Per discussione David Nelson
I am on the verge of having this problem solved for myself. Thought I would let people know so no one waste their time replying to my post. I will post back with a description of what I did once I have it perfectly clear in my own mind. Have a great day! David Nelson --

[newbie] Kmail goes but in tray is empty

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
This could be directed to any one that is connected to cable through the @Home service. I can email to myself via roman@cr820141-a to the server(my computer Hostname) to my local @Home domain and back through Netscape 4.77 and back. Seems Look'N'Feel-Personalization-Email and Kmail are all tied

Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Miark
How about ls -lR | grep drwx lp or whatever the printer re-direct is. It may not be as pretty as you like it, but it's a start. You could write a script to re-format it. Miark - Original Message - From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001

[newbie] Viral Software?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Carroll Grigsby
Here's one to tighten your shorts: lwn.net/daily/#t48 After calling Linux unAmerican (that always plays well outside of the USA), and a cancer, Microsoft's latest deal is to refer to Linux as viral software, following Chairman Bill's interview earlier in the week. Orwell was right, he just had

[newbie] Help~! Help~!

2001-06-23 Per discussione Wing Min Ho
Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk)

Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Peter Ruskin
On Sunday 24 June 2001 01:34, Miark wrote: How about ls -lR | grep drwx lp or whatever the printer re-direct is. It may not be as pretty as you like it, but it's a start. You could write a script to re-format it. [...] I think that should be ls -lR | grep drwx | lp, otherwise you should

[newbie] How to use the joystick

2001-06-23 Per discussione George Petri
Hi! I know this may sound trivial but: How do I enable the joystick? I have an integrated ES1373 sound chip on my motherboard and I plug a cheap analog Radioshack joystick into the sound port. I am using OSS in Mandrake 7.2 (2.2-17 kernel), at the moment. Thanks, George Petri

Re: [newbie] kmail and tiny firewall

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Harry Hansman wrote: Hello, I recently installed LM8. Kmail was working fine, then I installed tiny firewall through the mandrake control centre, now Kmail won't send mail. It still receives. After disabling the firewall the problem remains. Thanks for any help Harry Hansman Hi

Re: [newbie] Viral Software?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Completely unprofessional. Orwell was right. This is very sad. Carroll Grigsby wrote: Here's one to tighten your shorts: lwn.net/daily/#t48 After calling Linux unAmerican (that always plays well outside of the USA), and a cancer, Microsoft's latest deal is to refer to Linux as viral

[newbie] Problem with su

2001-06-23 Per discussione Amien Salie
Hi I'm having a problem using the su command, this is the error i'm getting: File size limit exceeded thanx -- Amien Salie Registered Linux User #172465 Register @ http://counter.li.org/

[newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders by binding command to Konqueror

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Hi Miark, It's a good command. I know it works but my printer is out of ink. While in KDE, can some one open /.kde and see if this command will start up and send a simple text file to a printer? It would make a good tip. Roman Miark wrote: How about ls -lR | grep drwx lp or whatever

[newbie] java not working in Staroffice 5.2

2001-06-23 Per discussione Dave Miers
I have MD 8.0 installed and also 5.2 staroffice. Everything seems to be working except for the java in Staroffice. It works fine in Netscape and Konqueror The program did find a runtime environment for jdk 1.3.1 by sun which I installed ahead of time. Well at least I ran the RPM for the

Re: [newbie] java not working in Staroffice 5.2

2001-06-23 Per discussione Barry Premeaux
Dave Miers wrote: I have MD 8.0 installed and also 5.2 staroffice. Everything seems to be working except for the java in Staroffice. It works fine in Netscape and Konqueror The program did find a runtime environment for jdk 1.3.1 by sun which I installed ahead of time. Well at least I

[newbie] True Type Fonts in StarOffice5.2?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Benjamin Sher
Dear friends: I have a dual-boot LM 8.0/Win98 SE. Thanks to Mandrake, I've been using True Type fonts in Netscape and Mozilla since LM 7.1. Question: Is there any way to use these True Type fonts in StarOffice 5.2? StarOffice's print fonts are fine. They look very good indeed. But its screen

Re: [newbie] Problem with su

2001-06-23 Per discussione s
I just went thru the same thing last week. Some nice gents from the expert list told me to look in /etc/security/limits.conf and comment out the line about fsize at the bottom. -s On Saturday 23 June 2001 09:17 pm, you wrote: Hi I'm having a problem using the su command, this is the error

Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Lanman
Roman, You're talking about printing a tree of folders? Nice idea. Can't see myself using it a lot, but what the hey. How about the option of customing the right-click menu for just about anything, or for repetitive jobs. Kinda like a wizard that sees the things you do most, and allows you to

Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
I would like the option of customizing the right-click menu. Sort'a like a kpanel for right-clicks. I like it already. Gotta get to work. Lanman wrote: Roman, You're talking about printing a tree of folders? Nice idea. Can't see myself using it a lot, but what the hey. How about the option

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Linux is gaining ground. And, I don't think Intel is totally ignoring Linux. So, some blame is being placed on the writers presenting their articles! I thought they were supposed to be pro Linux. You know - hang in there and all that... What'ya mean Linux desktop is dead? If we took that attitude

Re: [newbie]

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tim Holmes
Did you mount the floppy? mount /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy Do that as root of course, and then try to access the floppy. I'd suggest cd /mnt/floppy and then doing an ls -la, but you could also try to click on the icon and use the GUI as well. tdh i-- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org

Re: [newbie] Connect w/ ISP, but unable to surf/ver. 8.0

2001-06-23 Per discussione civileme
On Saturday 23 June 2001 06:47, Rita F. Koenigs wrote: MandrakeLinux 8.0 and the modem that is supposed to be linux-compatible were both installed by the Tech Center at CompUSA ... I'm not sure if the modem was completely configured now that I've done some seeking. For one thing in

Re: [newbie] cable modem, router problem

2001-06-23 Per discussione Tim Holmes
Meanwhile, I'm not exactly sure how those routers identify themselves, but I have a guess. I THINK the router's switch port has a MAC address. And that's probably why it's causing a problem. RoadRunner identifies machines on it's Cable network via MAC address. When you had your machine

RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Franki
As for your problem with ADSL, I remember emailing you (think it was you.) to let you know that because there are so many variations on how ADSL is setup, that its neearly impossible to point you to any one howto on the subject.. I have an ADSL modem that connects to my hub or directly to a

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Jose Mirles
On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:04, civileme wrote: Check MandrakeFreq. Damien has been working really hard on ADSL support. Still, a lot of hardware is unsupported because manufacturers just make it and write windows drivers for it and market it, leaving the linux community with a job of

Re: [newbie] How do you figure out your port number for your workstation?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
Alan Shoemaker wrote: Romanator wrote: Chris Keelan wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to get KNode working. However, how do I find out what my port number is for Host, POP and SMPT? Just checking things out. Unless your ISP has

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione John
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 02:44:34 -0400, Lanman wrote: I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their PC's They're just

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione civileme
On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:49, Loke Kit Kai wrote: I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me... basically, my language is on the weaker side... I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will stop

[newbie] Help~! Help~!

2001-06-23 Per discussione Wing Min Ho
Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk)

[newbie] Help~! Help~!

2001-06-23 Per discussione Wing Min Ho
Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk)

[newbie] Connect w/ ISP, but unable to surf/ver. 8.0

2001-06-23 Per discussione Rita F. Koenigs
MandrakeLinux 8.0 and the modem that is supposed to be linux-compatible were both installed by the Tech Center at CompUSA ... I'm not sure if the modem was completely configured now that I've done some seeking. For one thing in Harddrake, nearly all the components are assigned a module, while

Re: [newbie] How do you figure out your port number for your workstation?

2001-06-23 Per discussione Alan Shoemaker
Romanator wrote: Chris Keelan wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to get KNode working. However, how do I find out what my port number is for Host, POP and SMPT? Just checking things out. Unless your ISP has some special settings, SMTP servers

Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??

2001-06-23 Per discussione Romanator
It would be great topic. Go for it!. I think GNU/Linux as a whole can be provided for all schools. I can't see a school turning down a free OS. Educating the public is of paramount importance. However, we need wome one to teach the teachers. The public is ready for alternatative. I am sure that