I see.
Just a few steps.
On Sep 25, 1:00 pm, R.o.H.i.T:-) Iyer imrohi...@gmail.com
wrote:
*My scrapbook was flooded with bom sabado scraps in the morning. And I
also noticed about 9 new communities which I hadn't joined and somehow I was
added to it. I however got rid of the problem.
Same here.
Also noticed that Orkut was attacked these days with spam and community
flood. Really bad.
-
Robson Dantas
@robsondantas
2010/9/25 anatoly anato...@gmail.com
Anyone from orkut team can comment?
I'm getting the following error on FF:
Não foi possível acessar o orkut. Verifique
Tiago,
Yes, I'm still getting authentication problems on sandbox and production.
Allan (another guy who is creating a Javascript library), also reported
errors on sandbox.
Is it a confirmed issue ? Anything already done to solve?
-Robson Dantas
2010/9/8 Robson Dantas biu.dan...@gmail.com
My
It's working perfectly now.
Thanks, Prashant!
Fernando
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Fernando, can you please try again now?
It's definitely a matter for the Abuse team to check in detail, and
we'll have to find out why your domain was so blacklisted, but for
now, you should be able to use it with Promote.
-Prashant
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Even I am having this problem, and it *is* irritating. I have seen
from past forums that there has been bug report and others, but I am
not sure what is the status of the bug report. I find it strange, that
developers are used to SHIFT+F5 while there is no solution for
this. ??? Or am I missing
Hi Fernando,
I've submitted your site for review by the Abuse team. I'll get back
to you on this shortly.
-Prashant
On Sep 17, 11:19 pm, fernando_fr fernandodefra...@gmail.com wrote:
I´m trying to enable orkut sharing via promote url for the site
trash80s.com.br but we are only receiving Bad
That's one of the reasons why we think it's preferable to use your own
hosting solution instead – the GGE in its present form is buggy.
-Prashant
On Sep 10, 7:38 am, Prashant Patil prashantpandurangpa...@gmail.com
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Hi felip some time its related to cached pages. While verifying apps from
Hi Jody,
I've removed your apps from the directory.
-Prashant
On Sep 20, 2:27 am, JP jodybo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I would like to delete my application called monache.com community
chat. There is a double posting in the orkut directory, so I would
like both of them deleted, so I can
Does Anybody looking into this issue?
Can you please let me know the status?
I am waiting for this bug to get fixed.
Let me know.
Regards,
Sarvesh
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I'm with the same issue!
Bad request on my domain:
http://promote.orkut.com/preview?nt=orkut.comtt=testedu=http://trash80s.com.brcn=teste
http://promote.orkut.com/preview?nt=orkut.comtt=testedu=http://www.trash80s.com.brcn=teste
It works, but the domains doesn't exists:
Thanks for the reply Robson. Yes, I included the param in the signature base
string but still I got bad request. There may be some other problem. But
anyways, for me it worked when I kept the scope parameter in Authorization
header.
Regards,
Devendra
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robson
Post activities to sandbox is now working fine!!
Thanks!
Lucca Mordente
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Robson Dantas biu.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Tiago! Will give it a try.
I'm consolidating a list of issues I've noted (using 3lo), and will forward
soon.
Regards,
Robson Dantas
Checked my lib, and I'm passing in the querystring. OAuthPlayground and
OAuth Lib (java version) also do the same.
Dont forget to compute it in the signature base string.
-Robson Dantas
2010/9/12 Devendra A devendra020...@gmail.com
Hi,
Please ignore my last mail. I am able to solve it.
But
Okay, will do!
Thanks!
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Hi,
I am struggling with authentication process in my library. I am using
qoauth, an open source implementation of oauth in Qt. Here is the problem:
I am able to get *request token* but when I try to authorize the same
token, I get *invalid token* error. I checked, if I generate the request
Hi,
Please ignore my last mail. I am able to solve it.
But I came to know one thing that some part of documentation of OAuth on
google site (http://code.google.com/apis/accounts/docs/OAuth_ref.html) is
really confusing. For example documentation of OAuthGetRequestToken reads:
*Depending on the
As of right now, adding the app in sandbox should also do the trick,
new or old version.
We're still working on the permanent fix. Sorry.
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I continue with the same issue.
My application was approved and it continue with app not whitelisted.
I tried the steps posted but i can't find my application on old Orkut, i
only find my application when i'm using the new orkut.
what can i do?
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, ReiDevTeam
Prashant, thanks for the answer.
However, the issue seems to persist.
On 7 set, 18:10, Prashant Tiwari (Google) p...@google.com wrote:
Hi brandited,
I just brought the reviewer up, sorry for the trouble.
~Prashant
On Sep 7, 11:30 pm, brandited brandi...@gmail.com wrote:
I had added
Robson, are you still getting this error in sandbox? Is anyone else
getting this error?
On Jul 19, 11:30 am, Robson Dantas biu.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have already sent this bug to Prashant (Google), and he filled a bug. It's
affecting both: 2-legged and 3-legged calls.
On saturday I
It worked.
Thanks.
On 8 set, 13:06, Prashant Tiwari (Google) p...@google.com wrote:
We fixed another snag earlier in the day, should work smoothly now.
~Prashant
On Sep 8, 5:49 pm, brandited brandi...@gmail.com wrote:
Prashant, thanks for the answer.
However, the issue seems to
Prawin, Robson,
We're currently focusing on stabilizing the platform and the existing
API (and I hope the improvements are visible); once we have these
nailed fully, we can work on extending the API.
~Prashant
On Sep 7, 6:17 pm, Robson Dantas biu.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, but the API
I'm sorry you can't: orkut currently strips out much of the EXIF info
from all uploaded images, including timestamps and geotags.
By the way, I suppose you're aware of Jeffrey's excellent online EXIF
tool (http://regex.info/exif.cgi) that uses this library:
Thanks Tiago! Will give it a try.
I'm consolidating a list of issues I've noted (using 3lo), and will forward
soon.
Regards,
Robson Dantas
2010/9/3 Tiago Silveira (Google) t...@google.com
Sorry for the delay.
3LO apps should now be able to post activities *on sandbox*. These will be
We found an issue with the first installation of an app. Until we fix
it, here are the steps to make it work:
1. switch to the old orkut
2. install and uninstall your app
3. switch to the new orkut
4. install your app -- should work.
After that, any user will be able to install your app in the
Sorry for the delay.
3LO apps should now be able to post activities on sandbox. These will
be visible to friends on sandbox only.
Please verify that this is working properly for you, and we can turn it
on in production. We'd also like to measure the impact on activity
stream load, so feel free
Thiago,
How to uninstall an application on the old Orkut?
Thank you.
On Sep 3, 12:16 pm, Tiago Silveira (Google) t...@google.com wrote:
Encontramos um problema com a primeira instalação de um aplicativo . Até que
nós correção
, aqui estão os passos para fazê-la funcionar :
1. alternar
Tried to download it, without success, maybe you can send it here as
attachment please?
thanks!
regards
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Robson Dantas biu.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
Prashant / Shlomo,
Actually, if you go to fotoscrapr, you can grab a ready-to-use jar. See:
click this link
http://orkut-os-client-greetings.googlecode.com/hg/war/WEB-INF/lib/OrkutClient-20100209.jar
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Shlomo Rabinovitch
shlomor.vasc...@gmail.com wrote:
Tried to download it, without success, maybe you can send it here as
attachment please?
thanks!
Hello everyone,
Thanks much for your feedback! One of our ideas behind publishing
these details was to invite inputs just like these that we could feed
back into to the system to improve our processes.
I'm going to study the details in Anatoly's first mail to verify those
things for myself. But
cool, thanks
On Sep 2, 11:56 am, Prashant Tiwari (Google) p...@google.com
wrote:
Hello everyone,
Thanks much for your feedback! One of our ideas behind publishing
these details was to invite inputs just like these that we could feed
back into to the system to improve our processes.
I'm
Thanks a lot!
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Blaaze Artifex blaazet...@gmail.comwrote:
click this link
http://orkut-os-client-greetings.googlecode.com/hg/war/WEB-INF/lib/OrkutClient-20100209.jar
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Shlomo Rabinovitch
shlomor.vasc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Shlomo,
That's right, currently we didn't bundle a jar to go with the library.
I've some ideas to organise the library a bit better and also include
a jar file to go with it.
If you're using an IDE, you can build, test and develop apps using the
project. If you need just the binary, you can
I have tried to build using ant in directory Javaiside the library. But what
shall be built and when the result is? i thought it will build the jar file.
Am i wrong again?
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Prashant Tiwari (Google) p...@google.comwrote:
Hi Shlomo,
That's right, currently we
also:
You should count the time spent on the app.
It is possible 2 apps have the same ranking specified in the blog
post, but users spend 10 seconds vs. 30 minutes or more per day on the
other.
On Aug 29, 1:55 pm, anatoly anato...@gmail.com wrote:
1) Suppose the app has many pages, you can
Prashant / Shlomo,
Actually, if you go to fotoscrapr, you can grab a ready-to-use jar. See:
http://code.google.com/p/orkut-os-client-greetings/source/browse/#hg/war/WEB-INF/lib
http://code.google.com/p/orkut-os-client-greetings/source/browse/#hg/war/WEB-INF/lib@Shlomo,
also, take a look at this
Hello Bruno,
I'm having the same problem in 5 my application sent in day 21/8
Thank you.
On Aug 31, 11:55 am, Bruno Oliveira bru...@google.com wrote:
Olá,
Recentemente, tivemos alguns problemas com nosso banco de dados, mas nossos
engenheiros estãojá está trabalhando no problema.Obrigado
Hi,
I'm afraid this sounds counter-intuitive, but you may do a workaround
if you're ok to have your users use their phone browser in the
occasional case that requires captcha handling. We've had a partner
try something similar but who couldn't work this out to the end
because of certain other
Some cell phones and smartphones have a Orkut application that is able
to send scraps without captcha confirmations. How can this be done? Is
it a open solution?
I'm waiting for this, too.
Thank you. Best regards.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Prashant Tiwari (Google)
p...@google.com
Hello,
We recently had a few issues with our database but our engineers are
already working on the problem.
Thanks for your patience!
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Bruno, this issue is recurrent since at least March, as you can see by
this thread initiated by me:
http://groups.google.com/group/opensocial-orkut/browse_thread/thread/ab82c5aa7405574a/0bf9b85a3fe76ab5?lnk=gstq=#0bf9b85a3fe76ab5
The majority of messages I post in the forum is warning on this
I am for days awaiting approval of my application. I know that Orkut
was a bug and it appears again.
Getting the message: app not whitelisted
Thank you.
On Aug 17, 12:06 am, Alexandre Rauta alexandre.ra...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
07 applications sent mine a few days ago is displaying the
1) Suppose the app has many pages, you can either load each page in
ajax or reloading with parameters.
ajax is preferred from the user perspective but is not counted as
rendering, which could be easily faked also to boost the score.
2) Because of recent changes I doubt there is any value for
Whats the status for this bug as of now?
My app release will depend on this bug solution.
Please let me know.
Regards,
Sarvesh
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Sar Exclaim sarexcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Please keep me posted with the status of this bug.
I am really looking forward to make
Yes... but i've tried only to add new apps on sandbox.
2010/8/25 Prashant (Google) p...@google.com
This seems pretty weird. Is anyone else experiencing similar issues?
On Aug 25, 5:47 pm, as souzajo...@aol.com wrote:
Maybe I wasn't clear, but my app has all that info.
Even my profile
While we fix some of the other issues you pointed out, we are happy to
say that we incorporated one change that some of you suggested. Now,
whenever a user adds an app, s/he is directly taken to the app
displayed in its canvas view.
This is live on production, yay!
~Prashant
On Aug 23, 4:33 pm,
Great update :-)
Regards
Prashant
On 26-Aug-2010 6:18 PM, Prashant Tiwari (Google) p...@google.com wrote:
While we fix some of the other issues you pointed out, we are happy to
say that we incorporated one change that some of you suggested. Now,
whenever a user adds an app, s/he is directly
this algo completely doesn't make sense.
example:
check out where Vila Mágica is placed in the directory
with 1253099 weekly users
4764702 total
apps with 80K and 90K totals and less than 10K weekly are just above
it.
my most popular app is #3 among all my apps with #2 and #3 are above
it by
Bump...still nothing...
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Since the UI change to orkut today, ALL the past activities I saw are
gone now.
Now when I post a new activity with 3-Legged auth, it only shows up on
sandbox, not even on the regular site. What is going on here?
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I thought that, by rendering, they were counting how many times some user
watches the app in profile or canvas. But, anyway, it would be good to know
how this is done exaclty. It would be frustrating if some developers were
allowed to use things like that to circumvent the algoritm and push their
It helped a lot, Tiago!
It´s working again!!
Thank you very much!!
Leandro
On 20 ago, 14:47, Tiago Silveira (Google) t...@google.com wrote:
Your app's XML is stored
athttp://www.softmaxweb.kinghost.net/apps/mandinga/app001.xml, right?
This URL opens a regular HTML page with an iframe
Maybe I wasn't clear, but my app has all that info.
Even my profile it's all mess up in the new Orkut.
If I try the old version nothing seems to work either.
I tried production sandbox and doesn't load.
I haven't received any friendship request in the last month in my
mail, but they
keep coming
is used world-wide as a lucky symbol and used as fortune symbol for
as long as I can remember
Oh, really?
It was impolite and unclassy. There is a fine line. Daily fortunes is
popular all around, orkut always had that. Farm games are cloned all
around. Apps extend the platform, I extended with
This seems pretty weird. Is anyone else experiencing similar issues?
On Aug 25, 5:47 pm, as souzajo...@aol.com wrote:
Maybe I wasn't clear, but my app has all that info.
Even my profile it's all mess up in the new Orkut.
If I try the old version nothing seems to work either.
I tried
While I totally feel for you, the orkut help forum (http://
www.google.com/support/forum/p/orkut) would be the more appropriate
set of people to help you sort this out. Good luck!
~Prashant
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Ppl, I could use some help... I'm starting to
as, what's the URL of your app's XML?
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Hi Tiago,
I did manage to send the apps and they are already aproved.
Here's the link I used and did work:
http://www.orkut.com.br/Main#AppDirectorySubmit.aspx
But if I try to send apps via my profile (send your app link), it
keeps showing the same message.
I still facing issues to use my
Hi as
Please provide us xml file url. Also if all your info is ok then verify url
and submit the same url either with www prefix or without
Regards
P p patil.
On 26-Aug-2010 5:26 AM, as souzajo...@aol.com wrote:
Hi Tiago,
I did manage to send the apps and they are already aproved.
Here's the
Hey Tiago, there are an eta for this plan?
Best
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Yes, currently the canvas is the same width as before.
Our plan is to let the app change it just like it can change height.
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Can we get an update on the status of the bug fix?
This is a severe bug on a critical piece of 3-Legged apps. It was
reported 2 and a half weeks ago, and there is still no fix.
Please push this fix asap, or at least give an update with a time
estimate. Thanks.
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To clarify, this appears to be a sandbox issue. If you do not have a
sandbox account, you will not see the activity in the first place. If
you do have a sandbox account you will see the activity, of course your
friends will not see the activity unless they have a sandbox account as
well.
The
Either when viewing or posting from a sandbox account, if I access my own
sandbox profile link, I can't view the activity.
And yes, the app is authorized.
Lucca Mordente
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:14 PM, jmichael johnmichael81@gmail.comwrote:
To clarify, this appears to be a sandbox
Hello Sir,
I am a very big fan of orkut but,i found a bug in this application,bus
is like this...
1. Go to home page
2. click on edit profile link
3. click on add photo
4.Browse and update photo
BUG -- photo is not updating after uploading.
From last 1 month i am facing this bug.so please solve
hello mani,
its working fine for me, wait for few min. the orkut will ask to
crop photo or use original or cancel after u choose any option it will
get effect on u r profile, if u internet connection is slow i
recommend u to wait for few min. to let orkut ask to crop u r pic or
use orignal.
Your app's XML is stored at
http://www.softmaxweb.kinghost.net/apps/mandinga/app001.xml, right?
This URL opens a regular HTML page with an iframe pointing to
http://www.criosistemas.com.br/apps/mandinga/app001.xml, the meta tag
that it's complaining about is the one in the parent page.
I
thanks
On Aug 19, 12:03 pm, Prashant (Google) p...@google.com wrote:
Your idea is right. We are working on allowing developers to choose
the dimensions of their apps. The maximum width that will then be
available for apps would be 980px (1000px for the whole canvas - (10px
+ 10px) for the
René,
In case you haven't been following the other thread by Tiago, you
shouldn't be facing this issue any more.
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Hi German,
Thanks for pointing this out to us. In general, like you said,
HttpClient4 uses connection pooling to handle resources better and is
the recommended way to go (please compare HttpClient4 with
URLConnectionClient). If it helps to use the latter to circumvent this
problem (which we
Tiago,
Unfortunately (or not) we already do use that usual caching techniques.
I think we'll need to wait for the concat fix. There are an ETA?
Thanks again for your attention! :)
Best regards
-- Bruno Souza
2010/8/18 Tiago Silveira (Google) t...@google.com
Bruno,
concat is broken and will
This sounds like a good song in my ears! :)
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2010/8/18 Tiago Silveira (Google) t...@google.com
Yes, currently the canvas is the same width as before.
Our plan is to let the app change it just like it can change height.
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I have added an application about 21 hours ago. I haven't received any
email yet.
Since Tiago told us that the part that takes longer is between
approval and featuring, I wonder if the orkut team is aware of this
delay.
On 16 ago, 13:58, Prashant Patil prashantpandurangpa...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just received the rejection email. The following error I am always
receiving, but it doesn't seem to be correct, it must be some hidden
parameter that Google AdSense or another Google ad partner may be
injecting in the page:
HTTP Errors:
Just to report: when I resent, the feedback was very fast, I received
the approved email in minutes.
On 19 ago, 23:23, brandited brandi...@gmail.com wrote:
Just received the rejection email. The following error I am always
receiving, but it doesn't seem to be correct, it must be some hidden
Hi ,
My question is regarding Orkut API using C# (3-legged) :
Do you know how I can set the user's status and also how I can publish
stuff (activity ?) to the profile ?
I managed to do all of the following with the C# API : login, get user
info, get user friends, get user contacts.
I use the
@Prashant Patil
I think the recent change was already rolled out to all users, so all
users have this new canvas.
Orkut just should allow apps to take the whole available width. White
space on the left and on the rigth is not very aesthetic.
So it should be up to developers whether they want to
Yes, currently the canvas is the same width as before.
Our plan is to let the app change it just like it can change height.
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Thanks, Rene,
#2 is working as intended: we want the profile owner to select only one
app to show on their profile. Hope that's an incentive to write an
amazing profile app.
#1 is a known issue and we'll work on it.
#3 needs more measurements before we can decide, but the whole site is
The problem came back.
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wrote:
Oi, pessoal, há novos dados disponíveis.Eu ainda estou assistindo a
poucognomos que cuidar dele para ver se está funcionando corretamente cada
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Hi Tiago,
I just use a simple SIGNED request.
This is a peace of the code:
var params = {};
params[gadgets.io.RequestParameters.METHOD] =
gadgets.io.MethodType.POST;
params[gadgets.io.RequestParameters.CONTENT_TYPE] =
gadgets.io.ContentType.TEXT;
params[gadgets.io.RequestParameters.POST_DATA] =
Tiago, thanks for the update
I somehow expected that we already could take wider space on new
canvas.
By change width do you mean something like gadgets.window.adjustWidth?
this can cause a problem with floating elements (i.e. float:right,
float:left, etc) designs.
I think something like
Excuse me, this message is old, this problem is just fixed.
See the other thread with this same subject...
Leandro
On 17 ago, 08:42, Leandro leo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I've added my app (called Clube dos Bruxos) to the orkut directory,
but, when I try to add it to any profile, it says app
Ok, now got what you trying to do.
If you are sending messages, then you are whitelisted (it means you have
consumer key and token), otherwise, you were supposed to get errors.
There's a bug on activities update, see the messages from Tiago (in the end
of the page):
Hi!
This error was already reported to the Orkut team some days ago.
We are all waiting for a fix :)
-Robson Dantas
2010/8/16 Junw_china elexj...@gmail.com
This function is only broken on FF.
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The issue, Tiago, is the same in many topics: apps are not whitelisted
in the directory.
Go to directory (http://www.orkut.com.br/Main#AppDirectory)
adicionado recentemente try to add any app message: app not
whitelisted.
For God's sake, what is the position of Orkut about this?
It's almost
Tiago,
We can't add any recently approved app in Orkut. That's the issue.
A lot of people are asking about that. Why we can't add new apps?
Sorry if I was not clear. My english is not so good... :p
Thanks
2010/8/17 brandited brandi...@gmail.com
The issue, Tiago, is the same in many
Hi Baixo,
Yeah, sorry, got it now! There's a bug on this and we're already
working into it.
~Prashant
On Aug 17, 8:25 pm, baixo brasil baixobrasil.ofic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Tiago,
We can't add any recently approved app in Orkut. That's the issue.
A lot of people are asking about that. Why
Hi René,
Sorry for the delay. This is a kinda weird bug that we're working on
fixing right now, please stay tuned.
Thanks,
Prashant
On Aug 16, 10:47 pm, René Tapia renux...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Prashant,
It has been more than three weeks since my app got disabled.
I was wondering if you had
Hi Prashant,
thanks for your patience and congratulations for the good work.
I'll keep following this thread wainting for the good news.
Fabrício Mendonça
2010/8/17 Prashant (Google) p...@google.com
Hi Baixo,
Yeah, sorry, got it now! There's a bug on this and we're already
working into
Hi Tiago!
Thanks a lot for your attention and sorry for the delay in my
response. :( I was sick.
Last weekend I saw the issues that I noted pulled to orkut.com.
To avoid users to see buggy apps I had to turn off the content-
rewrite for tags link and style. Since that happened as I could
expect
Super, thanks.
Best regards,
René
2010/8/17 Prashant (Google) p...@google.com
Hi René,
Sorry for the delay. This is a kinda weird bug that we're working on
fixing right now, please stay tuned.
Thanks,
Prashant
On Aug 16, 10:47 pm, René Tapia renux...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Prashant,
Sorry, my mistake. I didn't know it was an issue with the UI, I thought
that you were trying to call things from an app and you were getting
this error.
Now that I was able to reproduce it, my hair is up. Seems orkut has
inconsistent information for apps approved after August 10th! It's a
data
Robson, thanks for the update. That does seem to be the problem.
Do you guys have an ETA on a fix?
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Hi Robson, how do you managed to bypass this 417 error? I'm just stuck
on this..
On Aug 6, 4:38 pm, Robson Dantas biu.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Got this error too, and in my case was oauth authencation problem. When
developing the php library, got issues like that too (and am still
Thank you, Tiago.
It's kinda weird bug, hun?!
Let us updated about the fix.
Best regards,
Fabrício Mendonça
2010/8/17 Tiago Silveira (Google) t...@google.com
Sorry, my mistake. I didn't know it was an issue with the UI, I thought
that you were trying to call things from an app and
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