Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 07 October 2005 08:06 pm, S Destika wrote: > If I was trolling, I wouldn't have commented on reliability and scalability > - Solaris wins there and again this is commonly known. Any way, I was > merely offering a balanced view. If you aren't a troll, please use a valid email address that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 07 October 2005 08:06 pm, S Destika wrote: > It's common knowledge for any technical person that Linux is faster than > Solaris. Till Solaris 10 the gap in performance was _huge_. I speak this > from realworld experience. But people who have used Solaris 10 claim it has > gotten a lot bet

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Theo Schlossnagle
On Oct 7, 2005, at 11:06 PM, S Destika wrote:It's common knowledge for any technical person that Linux is faster than Solaris. Till Solaris 10 the gap in performance was _huge_. I speak this from realworld experience. But people who have used Solaris 10 claim it has gotten a lot better. Linux can b

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 07 October 2005 07:48 pm, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > Alan DuBoff wrote: > > > > I will try to find time to re-install Solaris Express 23. Now, come to > think about it, I believe what happened was that, when se23 did not > recognize either of the NICs on my machine, it decided to bypass th

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Ian Collins
S Destika wrote: It's common knowledge for any technical person that Linux is faster than Solaris. Till Solaris 10 the gap in performance was _huge_. I speak this from realworld experience. But people who have used Solaris 10 claim it has gotten a lot better. As do the recent benchmarks. Fo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, S Destika wrote: > It's common knowledge for any technical person that Linux is faster I think you mean that it was a common *opinion*. > than Solaris. Till Solaris 10 the gap in performance was _huge_. I In some, perhaps many, lower end cases, Linux did have a performance a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread S Destika
It's common knowledge for any technical person that Linux is faster than Solaris. Till Solaris 10 the gap in performance was _huge_. I speak this from realworld experience. But people who have used Solaris 10 claim it has gotten a lot better. If I was trolling, I wouldn't have commented on rel

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Alan DuBoff wrote: I will try to find time to re-install Solaris Express 23. Now, come to think about it, I believe what happened was that, when se23 did not recognize either of the NICs on my machine, it decided to bypass the network config step (in that I was not prompted to enter network

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

2005-10-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
John Plocher wrote: David Anderton wrote: Apart from static compiling (tut tut), does anyone have any real examples of something an application could do on for example SunOS2.5 that will not work on OpenSolaris? Hmmm, lots of stuff comes to mind, mostly relating to old hardware or middleware

[osol-discuss] Bug Report

2005-10-07 Thread Jim Grisanzio
fyi ... we posted a comprehensive spreadsheet with information about sponsor requests and bugs filed via bugs.opensolaris.org. We'll update this weekly: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/ Jim, Bonnie, Derek ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread ken mays
--- Bill Rushmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > am looking for a detailed comparison of the Sparc > and 64 bit x86 > architectures. Specifically, I want to learn when > one makes more sense of > the other. Most of the writings I could find don't > go into the kind of > detail I would like.

Re: [osol-discuss] New Community Request

2005-10-07 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Tim McMurphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-10-07 14:40]: > I would like to start a community group with the focus of running > other operating systems inside a zone. This would look at optimizing > opensource software like bochs and/or qemu for the OpenSolaris > project. > > This is different from t

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

2005-10-07 Thread John Plocher
David Anderton wrote: Apart from static compiling (tut tut), does anyone have any real examples of something an application could do on for example SunOS2.5 that will not work on OpenSolaris? Hmmm, lots of stuff comes to mind, mostly relating to old hardware or middleware: SunOS 4.x co

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group - Austin, TX?

2005-10-07 Thread Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
We can be in Austin that day. Sara, you are in Austin? R&B On Oct 7, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Sara Dornsife wrote: Yesterday on the WWOSUG call there was a request for a user group to start up in Austin, TX. I'm looking for some interest to get this going. On Friday Oct 21, Simon Phipps will be

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group - Austin, TX?

2005-10-07 Thread Sara Dornsife
Yesterday on the WWOSUG call there was a request for a user group to start up in Austin, TX. I'm looking for some interest to get this going. On Friday Oct 21, Simon Phipps will be able to be here in Austin and can be a special guest speaker to kick us off. I can reserve us a conference room a

[osol-discuss] New Community Request

2005-10-07 Thread Tim McMurphy
I would like to start a community group with the focus of running other operating systems inside a zone. This would look at optimizing opensource software like bochs and/or qemu for the OpenSolaris project. This is different from the Xen project in that we would use Solaris as the hypervisor wi

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Bill Rushmore wrote: I have heard all of these things before but I want to know why or why not. I want more meat. I want to know to technical details like is it a RISC vs CISC, etc. Because I really don't think it is quite that simple. Bill On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, S Destika wrote: If you need

Re: [osol-discuss] http://cvs.opensolaris.org update ?

2005-10-07 Thread Cyril Plisko
On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 13:18 -0700, Mike Kupfer wrote: > Okay, I've updated http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ to list both > the tar file mirror and the Subversion repository at genunix.org. > Thanks, Mike ! Cyril > mike ___ opensolaris-discuss

[osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

2005-10-07 Thread David Anderton
This is what I was refering to if anyone is puzzled by my brief Linux whinge. http://ilia.ws/archives/13-sendfile-syscall-and-why-the-2.6-linux-kernel-sucks!.html This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-di

[osol-discuss] Re: Backwards Compatibility

2005-10-07 Thread David Anderton
Apart from static compiling (tut tut), does anyone have any real examples of something an application could do on for example SunOS2.5 that will not work on OpenSolaris/Solaris10/Solaris11. Could people of linked with private symbols that no longer exist? Anything would be interesting, this is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Ian Collins
Bill Rushmore wrote: I have heard all of these things before but I want to know why or why not. I want more meat. I want to know to technical details like is it a RISC vs CISC, etc. Because I really don't think it is quite that simple. Then go to www.sun.com and read all the white papers o

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Bill Rushmore
I have heard all of these things before but I want to know why or why not. I want more meat. I want to know to technical details like is it a RISC vs CISC, etc. Because I really don't think it is quite that simple. Bill On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, S Destika wrote: If you need big iron boxes (>8 a

Re: [osol-discuss] http://cvs.opensolaris.org update ?

2005-10-07 Thread Mike Kupfer
Okay, I've updated http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ to list both the tar file mirror and the Subversion repository at genunix.org. mike ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Ian Collins
S Destika wrote: If you care extremely about speed - Linux might be a better choice. Care to explain, or are you just trolling? Ian ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread S Destika
If you need big iron boxes (>8 and upto 64 CPUs) currently, SPARC is your choice. AMD/Intel aren't there yet but soon they might well be there with multicore stuff. And if you are in the market for funky things such as hot swappable CPUs, dynamic reconfiguration auto-diagnosis and recovery etc.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 07 October 2005 10:15 am, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > Thanks, a step-by-step tutorial session like this is exactly what I needed. > However, I have wiped out the nv23 installation and reinstalled FCS (or > whatever that is called). Too bad. One thing to have tried (aside from providing more

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 07 October 2005 09:25 am, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > _highly_ doubt we went from "networking working fine" to "does not > configure by default" in one rev. > > I installed build 23 twice, and neither time it installed networking. So > you are calling me an IDIOT. Actually there were some c

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Alan DuBoff wrote: On Friday 07 October 2005 07:54 am, Martin 'MC' Brown wrote: VERSION: 11.10.0,REV=2005.08.26.07.05 The above info pertains to Solaris. DESC: GNU Bourne-Again shell (bash) version 3.0 This is the version of bash. Unfortunately, we can't update that when

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Friday 07 October 2005 07:54 am, Martin 'MC' Brown wrote: > VERSION: 11.10.0,REV=2005.08.26.07.05 The above info pertains to Solaris. >DESC: GNU Bourne-Again shell (bash) version 3.0 This is the version of bash. -- Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems Solaris x86 Engineering

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 10/7/05, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis Clarke wrote: > > < . . . > > > > > > > Thanks, a step-by-step tutorial session like this is exactly what I needed. > However, I have wiped out the nv23 installation and reinstalled FCS (or > whatever that is called). An entire

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Dennis Clarke wrote: < . . .

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Interested in seeing Zimbra on Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris - PLS VOTE NOW over at zimbra.com

2005-10-07 Thread Chris Humphries
+-- | On (07/10/05 10:35), Dennis Clarke wrote: | | Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:35:23 -0400 | From: Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Int

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 10/7/05, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis Clarke wrote: > > > So you are calling me an IDIOT. > > This should be --So you are calling me an IDIOT?! -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org no no .. I never intended any such thing and if it felt that way then I am deeply s

[osol-discuss] Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Ché Kristo wrote: >making some lame attempt at pimping fedora Apparently you have no idea who I am. Yes, Linux does have several problems that prevent it from being widely adopted as a Windows replacement. But blindly denying its strengths will only make this forum (and Sun as a company) stu

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Dennis Clarke wrote: > So you are calling me an IDIOT. This should be --So you are calling me an IDIOT?! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Dennis Clarke wrote: >I don't really know what the problem is with build 23 but somehow I _highly_ doubt we went from "networking working fine" to "does not configure by default" in one rev. I installed build 23 twice, and neither time it installed networking. So you are calling me an IDIOT.

[osol-discuss] Sparc ? x86 Comparison

2005-10-07 Thread Bill Rushmore
am looking for a detailed comparison of the Sparc and 64 bit x86 architectures. Specifically, I want to learn when one makes more sense of the other. Most of the writings I could find don't go into the kind of detail I would like. I feel that if I want to become a better advocate of Open So

Re: [osol-discuss] help

2005-10-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Veena M Shettar wrote: How to find the total hard disk space in solaris? statvfs() will tell you per filesystem, getmntent() will allow you to iterate over the available filesystems. I've set reply-to to opensolaris-help... - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performanc

Re: [osol-discuss] help

2005-10-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Veena M Shettar wrote: The following code does not work properly for solaris How to detect solaris platform in c ? The following code displays "Linix" though Im excuting this code on solaris #include main() { #ifdef _WIN32_ { printf("windows"); } #endif #ifdef __linux__ #define _LINUX_ #endif #i

[osol-discuss] Re: Fibre Channel on x86

2005-10-07 Thread Robin McDonald
The 2100 doesn't support fabric it only supported loop mode So you really can't use 2100 with a SAN only with older storage and point to point connections this is the reason the support for it has disappeared Rgds Robin This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Announcing an OpenSolaris LiveCD distro

2005-10-07 Thread Moinak . Ghosh
Hi, This project initially just started as a learning experience to understand how x86 boot and miniroot work. But later it progressed to a stage where we found that a complete distro is possible. The initial aim was to get a GNU/Solaris distro and Solaris compatibility option was later decide

[osol-discuss] Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Andrew K
Great, is there a way to dual boot Windows and Solaris? (I have two hdd's) That's what I did with a lot of linux disto's before deciding which one to choose. Does Solaris come with a booting program or something? Also: I'm trying to find a home desktop OS and Solaris is looking quite attractive.

Re: [osol-discuss] Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Mike Owens
On 10/7/05, Daniel Mersebak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi there. Since I administrate several Solaris servers at work, I would like to use Solaris at home too. I have used linux and freebsd for long time, but after Sun started to open solaris it appeals more and more to me. Still I have some probab

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Martin 'MC' Brown
... Of couse with opensolaris you get the code every couple of weeks so you get to see the latest technology before the patches are availble for s10. As I said in my original post, the reason for the current behaviour is due to the way Solaris has been released in the past; that stabilit

Re: [osol-discuss] newsgroup ?

2005-10-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
mnikhil m wrote: how about having one or opening one under comp.os.unix.sol10 .. :) If you just want a Solaris newsgroup, both comp.unix.solaris and alt.solaris.x86 are very active. They're not OpenSolaris-specific like this forum, but are good sources of Solaris info. -- -Alan Coope

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Interested in seeing Zimbra on Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris - PLS VOTE NOW over at zimbra.com

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 10/7/05, Chris Humphries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +-- > | On (07/10/05 05:57), Dennis Clarke wrote: > | > > I disagree. I come from working on Solaris and Linux in the .com boom, > then to only Linux and *BSD. > you

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Interested in seeing Zimbra on Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris - PLS VOTE NOW over at zimbra.com

2005-10-07 Thread Chris Humphries
+-- | On (07/10/05 05:57), Dennis Clarke wrote: | | Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:57:26 -0700 | From: Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: Claire Giordano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org | Subje

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 10/7/05, Martin 'MC' Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 7 Oct 2005, at 14:11, Dennis Clarke wrote: > > > One thing that I have been looking at is the creation of a GUI for > > pkg-get. > > While we're on the topic of 'things I'd like to see in packages...', > I think one of the fundamental

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Albert White
Martin 'MC' Brown wrote: This is standard functionality in nearly all package-managed Linux distributions, but the only way I know of for keeping up to date in this way with Solaris is to pay for full support, and then AFAIK it is limited to patches, rather than downloading and installing an

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 10/7/05, Ché Kristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Build 23 does not configure network by default", what do you mean ... I'm running build 22 here and it is sweet : http://www.blastware.org/images/blastwave/articles/BLS-0039/kde342_snapshot3.jpg I don't really know what the problem is wit

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Martin 'MC' Brown
On 7 Oct 2005, at 14:11, Dennis Clarke wrote: One thing that I have been looking at is the creation of a GUI for pkg-get. While we're on the topic of 'things I'd like to see in packages...', I think one of the fundamental limitations of the current package system is that versioning is not

[osol-discuss] Re: Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
One thing that I have been looking at is the creation of a GUI for pkg-get. The user base is split into three groups it seems; Windows users that want to click there way through everything, UNIX users that will use the command line with comfort and then Jedi-Master level people that can create the

Re: [osol-discuss] Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Albert White
Daniel Mersebak wrote: 2) The package system on Solaris is years behind the package systems from FreeBSD and Debian. Do the Solaris plan to evolve their package system, or will it remain in the current clumsy state ? 3) In my opinion Solaris would be superior to Debian and FreeBSD if it had a sm

[osol-discuss] Re: Interested in seeing Zimbra on Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris - PLS VOTE NOW over at zimbra.com

2005-10-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > I hate that we have to vote for "Other", rather than having Solaris or > OpenSolaris be a choice in the poll. Of course, perceptions are > changing, more and more, and all of your community participation is > helping... Well lets look at the past ten years. Solaris was a killer UNIX OS but t

Re: [osol-discuss] Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Martin 'MC' Brown
1) Freebsd and Debain can be installed as minmum, and then You can suit them as You like. What I don't like about Solaris is that it take up 5 GB or more for a standard installation. Why do Sun or OpenSolaris need so much initial harddisk just for the instalaltion ? You can install a minimu

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: zfs

2005-10-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 13:16, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > "James C. McPherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The design of ZFS is endian-neutral. Ufs is very much endian-dependent > > > and as I understand it the work involved to remedy that is mo

[osol-discuss] Reasons to change to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Daniel Mersebak
Hi there. Since I administrate several Solaris servers at work, I would like to use Solaris at home too. I have used linux and freebsd for long time, but after Sun started to open solaris it appeals more and more to me. Still I have some probably stupid questions to ask. Just be honest and feel

[osol-discuss] Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread Ché Kristo
"Build 23 does not configure network by default", what do you mean "configure network by default", thats a very vague statement there buddy, could you please clarify. Look I am by no means a genius and I did somehow manage to config my own network settings, sure there are no "Automagic" GUI tool

[osol-discuss] help

2005-10-07 Thread Veena M Shettar
How to find the total hard disk space in solaris? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Re: Swtching from Windows to Solaris

2005-10-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
Ché Kristo wrote: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_4_installation_notes.html The instant messaging program, gaim, which allows you to use MSN Messenger, ICQ, AIM, Yahoo! Messenger, and Jabber, can be further found in the Fedora Core 4 Unofficial FAQ: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#im (The f

Re: [osol-discuss] newsgroup ?

2005-10-07 Thread mnikhil m
how about having one or opening one under comp.os.unix.sol10 .. :)   Regards, Nikhil  On 10/7/05, Sean Sprague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nikhil,> Hi>> are there any newsgroup equivalent of this [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>  mailing lists ?Not as such, but you can connect to the forums at

Re: [osol-discuss] chkconfig equivalent

2005-10-07 Thread mnikhil m
hello Robert Milkowski   I understand that to create the links manually, but I do not understand why does it need an SMF because chkconfig is not a service you may be asking me about svcadmin, on registering the new SMFs, yeah then its a point..but I am more interested in a startup script..which d