On 07/14/10 11:22 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
I don't care about justifying oracle or redhat or microsoft or apple or
anyone else. I just care about using good stuff for whatever it's best at.
I want opensolaris to be open too. Like it used to be.
I believe we all do, that why were all
Equating The Register, a legit news outlet that's generally well regarded with
The Onion, a satire website, is beyond absurd. Moreover, apparently you missed
this little gem:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/greglavender
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> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dev Mazumdar
>
> In other news.
>
> Greg Lavender, the lead developer in charge of the Solaris operating
> system at Oracle, has left the company
>
> http://www.theregiste
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Ken Gunderson
>
> S10 cannot be legally used beyond evaluation period w/o an entitlement,
> which requires a support contract. And I don't know where you're
> getting your pric
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:59 PM, John Plocher wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Paul Gress wrote:
>>> Great idea. Not what the current OGB, as the OGB, is chartered to do.
>>> The OGB would really have to quit the current system and reform in
>>> some other guise, or a new body would have
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Paul Gress wrote:
>> Great idea. Not what the current OGB, as the OGB, is chartered to do.
>> The OGB would really have to quit the current system and reform in
>> some other guise, or a new body would have to take this on.
>
> Maybe this is whats planned if "they
In other news.
Greg Lavender, the lead developer in charge of the Solaris operating system at
Oracle, has left the company
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/14/oracle_lavender_opensolaris/
And people tell us nothing is wrong with Solaris at Oracle.
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On 07/14/10 06:12 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
Not just that, but weaning the community off its dependency on
the distribution that happens to confusingly share the community's
name but is really a closed venture over which we have no influence.
In the past when Sun was distributing Opensola
Evidently the article is correct. It has been updated with a 'Bootnote' stating
that Lavender's LinkedIn profile has been updated to reflect his current
employment status.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/greglavender
Lavender's profile now states his current status as:
VP, Foundation Engineering, N
> From my limited perspective and understanding dev
> wants it in game layer on a gamble. Good Luck ??
Explain please; I'm not even 100% sure what you're saying,
let alone why. I would imagine that if someone wanted
an OS to do gaming on, and they didn't want any of the
more obvious candidate
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On 7/14/2010 7:11 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
>> The community needs to be able to prevent moves into a direction that is
>> aparently driven by customers but against the will of the majority of the
>> use
don't know if this article is right but it may be.
if is then
i think oracle might be having problems in the solaris division.
clip:
Greg Lavender, the lead developer in charge of the Solaris operating system at
Oracle, has left the company
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/14/oracle_lavend
> That will only happen if the community makes its own
> fork. Neither Sun
> nor Oracle would put the community "wishes" ahead of
> customer requirements,
> nor do I know of any successful open source OS driven
> by majority votes of
> users.
I believe the root cause of this problem lies in the f
Disabling C-States in the bios will fix the broadcom network driver issue
under 5.XX firmware also. If you google enough someone has a patched driver
for snv_134 but I didnt really want to put it in my system so I just went
with disabling C-States in the bios.
Dell R610 running OSOL SNV134 with
The subject says it all. This is absurd.
Nothing more than "there are clouds in the sky" to which someone says "no,
they're cumulus." Another chimes in they are "stratus", while yet somebody
else says "cirrus," while yet again, another answer is "nimbus."
That is all discuss has become. Some
>From my limited perspective and understanding dev wants it in game layer on a
>gamble. Good Luck ??
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Peter Tribble wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mark Martin wrote:
>> Create a website and forums to allow the community to reorganize
>> itself without the shadow of a hollow and unsupported charter.
>
> So the OGB would have to violate its own rules and
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> The community needs to be able to prevent moves into a direction that is
> aparently driven by customers but against the will of the majority of the
> users
> and the community needs to be able to put back their developments results.
That will only h
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Dev Mazumdar wrote:
> > On the other hand, someone with a good lawyer should sue Oracle for false
> > advertisement when Larry Ellison claimed he was going to spend more money
> > on Solaris than Sun ever did in the past year (yeah Larry, where's the
> > funding for O
Dev Mazumdar wrote:
> On the other hand, someone with a good lawyer should sue Oracle for false
> advertisement when Larry Ellison claimed he was going to spend more money on
> Solaris than Sun ever did in the past year (yeah Larry, where's the funding
> for Open Sound/Boomer?)
Spending more mo
Someone from the community needs to step up and become the Linus Torvalds of
OpenSolaris. Someone with good engineering skills - someone who has written a
butt load of code for Solaris.
Candidates? Garrett, Dana Myers, Dan Mick, Jorg, Shawn, Dennis, Alan
On the other hand, someone with a
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mark Martin wrote:
>
> I submit to you that just as important, if not MORE important, is to
> wean the "community" off of Oracle's infrastructure and process.
Not just that, but weaning the community off its dependency on
the distribution that happens to confusing
Does it mean we should be looking for extremely aerodynamic pork soon? :)
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM, John Plocher wrote:
> The comments *there* are pretty balanced - what a surprise :-)
>
> -John
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Tribble
> wrote:
>>
>> And we just made Sla
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Moinak Ghosh wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Rob McMahon
> wrote:
>> So, let's get positive here. Where do we get started to form a Community
>> Distro, based on the latest sources including IPS. Not a cut down version,
>> or replacing the userland (
The comments *there* are pretty balanced - what a surprise :-)
-John
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Tribble wrote:
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> And we just made Slashdot. The fact that it took them 2 days to
> notice is slightly worrying.
>
>
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On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote:
> Well, whether or not you want press, good or bad, Phoronix has picked this up:
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxMA
And we just made Slashdot. The fact that it took them 2 days to
notice is slightly worrying.
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On 07/14/10 08:39 AM, Alex Viskovatoff wrote:
dclarke wrote:
I have no love for that python disaster called IPS.
I think that conceptually, IPS is very good. Of course, it's silly to implement
system software in an interpreted language like Python. In time, if OpenSolaris
survives, hopefull
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
This simply isn't that sort of open source project - it's not Debian or Apache.
Historically it's been more like Linux, Mozilla, MySQL, or Ubuntu, where the
founder/sponsor has the final say in all decisions.
Actually, I think Mozilla is an example of a project where the
Well, whether or not you want press, good or bad, Phoronix has picked this up:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxMA
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Hi,
I did the downgrade using the setup utility where you usually upgrade
the drivers..however there's also the possibility of downgrade , and
that's what i have done.
Here's the output of a booting server :
bnx0: BCM5709 device with F/W Ver4060004 is initialized
Bruno
On 14-7-2010 18:21, Jam
Frankly, I don't see why people are so upset about what's going on
here. Why is the lack of an official binary release from Oracle such a
big deal? The code is still available and seeing updates, although
nobody seems to have been doing public build of those updates since
134... Why can't the commu
I ran FreeBSD and OpenBSD in production for the better part of 15 years w/o any
commercial support contracts. Guess I'm a better sysadmin than some that I was
able to get away with such unprofessional behavior. Behavior such as
corresponding directly with the developers responsible for the cod
kgunders wrote:
> Corporations want to enjoy the benefit of being a 'legal person' but don't
> want to pay the requisite dues.
This is completely correct. Unfortunately, given that American society
tolerates corporations unilaterally renouncing their obligations to pay their
employees their pe
S10 cannot be legally used beyond evaluation period w/o an entitlement, which
requires a support contract. And I don't know where you're getting your
pricing from but it's about 1/3rd of the closest thing I could come to getting
a quote.
You accuse those who make comments that are not pro Orac
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>> Is that a horrible thing? Only if you expect and wait for it to be
>> something
>> it's not. Accept it for what it is and figure out how to work with it.
>> You
>> can always be in control of your fork/distro, just don
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>
>> The ARC case was unfortunately closed to the public, but there was one.
>
> make it public or it does not exist
That's not up to me or you. You can pretend it doesn't exist all you want,
but it's far from the first clos
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From: Moinak Ghosh
Date: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [distribution-discuss] [osol-discuss] Community distro
To: Dennis Clarke
Cc: Alan Coopersmith , Open Solaris
,
distribution-disc...@opensola
On 14-7-2010 17:41, James Nelson wrote:
> Just out of curiosity what firmware version do you have on the network card
> from dell? It looks like people with the 4.x version are not experiencing
> the errors, but 5.x people are.
>
> do dmesg|grep bnx and look for the following line:
> Jun 22 08:2
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> The ARC case was unfortunately closed to the public, but there was one.
make it public or it does not exist
Jörg
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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> This simply isn't that sort of open source project - it's not Debian or
> Apache.
> Historically it's been more like Linux, Mozilla, MySQL, or Ubuntu, where the
> founder/sponsor has the final say in all decisions.
One of the intentions was not to have similar problems
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Gaiseric Vandal
>
> what is the
> benefit of OpenSolaris for Oracle?
IMHO, it's as follows:
Suppose you're a sysadmin. You've heard of ZFS, and you've heard it's cool.
But yo
Alex Viskovatoff wrote:
> Negative press is good.
>
> Maybe if Oracle gets enough negative press, it will start behaving
> responsibly and with a modicum of civility, instead of like an abusive,
> autistic, sociopathic spouse.
The OGB is not interested in bad press, the OGB is interested in co
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote:
>
>> Why should sun have consulted the community about their business
>> decisions?. Opensolaris was their distro, their product, the code is
>> in their repository.
>
> You should rather ask, why this change was done wit
When you buy a company you inherit both their assets and it's obligations. And
I use both in a sense that goes beyond merely dollar. The Sun brand and
goodwill associated thereis would be one such example. Sun made a public
commitment to open source Solaris. Oracle is morally bound to honor
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>
>> joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
>>> The problem is that Sun/Oracle did already fork and changed things without
>>> asking the comunity whether this to be accepted by the community.
>> That's not forking, that's
Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote:
> Why should sun have consulted the community about their business
> decisions?. Opensolaris was their distro, their product, the code is
> in their repository.
You should rather ask, why this change was done without asking users and
without even having an ARC case
What is the benefit of OpenSolaris for Oracle? The same as the benefit of
Fedora for Red Hat: as far as I know, that was always the idea. However,
because of its commercial success, Oracle has evidently attained a level of
arrogance so high that it is incapable of understanding business models t
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> > The problem is that Sun/Oracle did already fork and changed things without
> > asking the comunity whether this to be accepted by the community.
>
> That's not forking, that's just Sun controlling the project as they alway
Just out of curiosity what firmware version do you have on the network card
from dell? It looks like people with the 4.x version are not experiencing the
errors, but 5.x people are.
do dmesg|grep bnx and look for the following line:
Jun 22 08:23:43 ipaapp bnx: [ID 995108 kern.info] NOTICE: bnx1
dclarke wrote:
>I have no love for that python disaster called IPS.
I think that conceptually, IPS is very good. Of course, it's silly to implement
system software in an interpreted language like Python. In time, if OpenSolaris
survives, hopefully someone will rewrite pkg in a more appropriate
Maybe this is just for the joy of being contrarian but what is the benefit of
OpenSolaris for Oracle.Oracle seems to be interested in the data center-
Web applications on Web servers on Solaris on Sun servers sitting in front of
Oracle databases on Solaris on Sun servers. They push sparc
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of me
>
> Ned-Ed,
>
> please give up, I know you love solaris but quit trying to justify
> Oracle.
I don't care about justifying oracle or redhat or microsoft or apple or
anyone
Negative press is good.
Maybe if Oracle gets enough negative press, it will start behaving responsibly
and with a modicum of civility, instead of like an abusive, autistic,
sociopathic spouse.
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On 14/07/2010 15:36, Dennis Clarke wrote:
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From: Alan Coopersmith
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:25 am
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Community distro
To: dcla...@blastwave.org
Cc: Rob McMahon, Open
Solaris, distribution-disc...@opensolaris.org
Dennis Clarke wrote
> hmm no problems? We have svn_124 running on a R610.
> Install was fine, no special tricks etc.. and we
> have perc card in there. However there is a network
> bug with the bnx driver that will cause the network
> to hang under load.
I ran it for a week or so as a Comstar iSCSI target and init
hmm no problems? We have svn_124 running on a R610. Install was fine, no
special tricks etc.. and we have perc card in there. However there is a
network bug with the bnx driver that will cause the network to hang under load.
It happens randomly, sometimes once a week, sometimes once every fe
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Rob McMahon wrote:
> So, let's get positive here. Where do we get started to form a Community
> Distro, based on the latest sources including IPS. Not a cut down version,
> or replacing the userland (no offence there, that's good work too), just a
> take on Sola
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Mark van Kerkwyk
>
> I notice that the R510 isn't actually certified.
>
> We have installed it without any modifications at all and there are no
> missign drivers at all.
>
>
Dennis Clarke wrote:
> Whose gates ?
> You mean the ones controlled by Oracle ?
> Do we care anymore ?
If you don't care about the sources released by Oracle, then you're
not forking, you're writing a new OS from scratch. Have fun with that.
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Why should sun have consulted the community about their business
decisions?. Opensolaris was their distro, their product, the code is
in their repository.
The most we could have done is clone the opensolaris respository
outside sun's firewalls and prevent the relevant changes to avoid
deleting the
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
> The problem is that Sun/Oracle did already fork and changed things without
> asking the comunity whether this to be accepted by the community.
That's not forking, that's just Sun controlling the project as they always
did - there's still just one sour
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From: Alan Coopersmith
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:25 am
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Community distro
To: dcla...@blastwave.org
Cc: Rob McMahon , Open Solaris
, distribution-disc...@opensolaris.org
> Dennis Clarke wrote:
> >> So, let's get positive here. W
Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> > I still use SVR4 packages that get released from Blastwave and those work
> > for the most part. To hell with that issue at the moment.
>
> Then your distro will be forked from the Oracle released sources and you'll
> have created an extra hurdle for yourself to jump i
Dennis Clarke wrote:
>> So, let's get positive here. Where do we get started to form a
>> Community Distro, based on the latest sources including IPS. Not a cut
>> down version, or replacing the userland (no offence there, that's good
>> work too), just a take on Solaris Next based on the lates
> So, let's get positive here. Where do we get started to form a
> Community Distro, based on the latest sources including IPS. Not a cut
> down version, or replacing the userland (no offence there, that's good
> work too), just a take on Solaris Next based on the latest available
> bits. We
So, let's get positive here. Where do we get started to form a
Community Distro, based on the latest sources including IPS. Not a cut
down version, or replacing the userland (no offence there, that's good
work too), just a take on Solaris Next based on the latest available
bits. We have Ric
But I am in Japan and they like horse here :)
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I notice that the R510 isn't actually certified.
We have installed it without any modifications at all and there are no missign
drivers at all.
I wonder why the R510 seems to miss out on the certifications when the R310 &
te R610 are certified ??
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discuss should be ended.
Yet again another raising of a story that has nothing more to be said is
brought back to life. Only so it can be beat again.
What causes one to constantly raise this dead horse to beat it some more?
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Ned-Ed,
please give up, I know you love solaris but quit trying to justify Oracle. It
just makes you look like you work for them. This is why people are so negative
to you. Yes I like the super combo of solaris/opensolaris too (you know the big
brother and the red-headed stepchild) but giving a
Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> > http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/40394-oracle-
> > maintains-silence-on-opensolaris-future
> >
> > I really can't understand Oracle's lack of communication regarding the
> > future of Opensolaris.
>
> Allow me to quote a couple of BS statements f
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Edward Ned Harvey
wrote:
>> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
>> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harper
>>
>> http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/40394-oracle-
>> maintains-silence-on-opensol
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