From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Evrat
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 2:21 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Without doubt any elected official acting out their vested interests (no matter
what) belongs b
wealth
> so we can afford better welfare safety nets etc.****
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> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
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companies to build wealth so
we can afford better welfare safety nets etc.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 12:34 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Wouldnt you want some sort
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:27 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom wrote:
And that’s the real issue. If it’s all about just providing some level of
service to people that have no real options today, they we need to just say
emselves ??!!****
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> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:21 AM
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rticularly good
for the overall economy, which ultimately is what makes us all better off.
Cheers
Ken
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Evrat
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:58 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN r
??!!
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:21 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
I think you have a naïve view of what business lobbying is about then.
Tax breaks or write-offs for
anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 4:11 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU this is pretty funny and disturbing
video!
This guy is pretty useles
:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Evrat
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 10:28 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
True, Clive and his policies in total are a bit over the top but he knows he's
not going to be PM, it will be a long time before there is
s changed.
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>>> Silvio Berlusconi is an example of a successful businessman who’s
>>> “pro-business” attitude didn’t really extend to making life better for the
>>> general population.****
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>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Evrat
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 8:37 AM
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m:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright
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> Oh I thought the only people ridiculou
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 9:26 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
There are multiple ways to cook an egg. Clive's policy platform isn't
necessarily the best one.
Pro &qu
om:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM
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> Isn't that really the point of the NB
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> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 10:07 AM
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> He won't get the numbers and this morning I was in a cafe eating breakfa
What, you mean the fat rich pricks we've already got aren't fat, rich or
prickly enough?
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 10:07 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
He won
Ken
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> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Evrat
> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2013 8:37 AM
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> *Subject:* RE: [OT] NBN revisited
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itude didn't really extend to making life better for the
general population.
Cheers
Ken
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Evrat
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 8:37 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Any pro-b
'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Oh I thought the only people ridiculous enough to vote for him were
Queenslanders.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:02 PM
To: ozDotNet
S
Oh I thought the only people ridiculous enough to vote for him were
Queenslanders.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:02 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Is anyone else
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> *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Tony Wright
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 6:02 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Wow, he didn’t even know what the policies of his party were. I think I
Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 4:11 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU this is pretty funny and disturbing
video!
This guy is pret
And we’ll pay him $195K/year.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 4:11 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrQPXXHUilU this
t
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:48 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
What I don’t understand is that if you’re in a built up area, why they don’t
just install Fibre to the Home.
Copper might do for the short term, but it is expensive to maintain and has all
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:36 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
I was living in Riverstone for a while when it was scheduled to be one of the
first suburbs in NSW to
om [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [OT] NBN revisited
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> Isn't that really the point of the NBN? To try to make internet access
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done properly once, those changes won’t be as
difficult to achieve.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Isn't that really the point o
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>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:38 PM
>>
>> *To:* ozD
ts)
> – especially the really complex ones?
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> Cheers
> Ken
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> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 1:09 PM
et.com] On
Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Isn't that really the point of the NBN? To try to make internet access more
available? I have no problem with people in the middle of nowhere getting it
first becaus
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:55 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Looking at the rollout, it's scheduled to be available for me by end of year.
Which is somewhat unfair, being I've already got vdsl2.
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> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill McCarthy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:14 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
But what's the alternative Bill? Wait for the NBN?
We're not even on the "we
: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:06 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
I wouldn't count on that running that smoothly. It will take time to get
that many "fridges" installed everywhere: thinking it can all be done in
three years sounds incredibly hopeful to m
nd see
what the costs are and how long it takes:
Only $5K from the exchange to your house: dreaming ;)
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:51 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN rev
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> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Richards
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:38 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Apart from t
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:37 PM, David Richards wrote:
> Apart from the use of "impacted", a nice article.
>
>
At least it wasn't impactful.
> For some reason, this whole argument reminds me of the republic referendum
> some years back. I knew a number of people who didn't like the idea of a
>
, money etc.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:22 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Tony Wright mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I
Apart from the use of "impacted", a nice article.
For some reason, this whole argument reminds me of the republic referendum
some years back. I knew a number of people who didn't like the idea of a
politician appointed president and thought voting "No" meant "the people"
would vote for the presid
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Tony Wright wrote:
> I still haven’t heard anything from you that convinces me David.
>
I doubt there is anything I can say that would convince you.
>
>
> The NBN is likely to bring in A$105 billion dollars to A$237 billion
> dollars. That’s a lot of econom
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Ken Schaefer
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozd
Here’s a good read from today :
http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/turnbulls-fragmented-nbn-dooms-australia-to-repeat-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html
Hopefully that will help some folks see past the one tree and start looking at
the forest.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:54 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] NBN revisited
>
m: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Your antipathy to the
astounding.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ken Schaefer mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com
n...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:54 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] NBN revisited
>
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>
> Your antipathy to the current NBN is well known.
>
&g
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
Your antipathy to the current NBN is well known.
I have an antipathy for piling up money and setting it
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ken Schaefer
> wrote:
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> **
>
> Um, since when am I a “FTTP nutjob”?
>
>
>
> Your antipathy to the current NBN is well known.
>
> ** **
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> I have an antipathy for piling up money and setti
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 12:13 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ken Schaefer
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Um, since whe
Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 11:58 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Um, since when am I a “FTTP nutjob”?
Your antipathy to the current NBN is well known. FWIW I think that this type of
proposed infrastructure is a good idea, but I’m not wedded to this
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> Um, since when am I a “FTTP nutjob”?
>
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>
> Your antipathy to the current NBN is well known.
>
I have an antipathy for piling up money and setting it on fire.
[ ... ]
>
>
> Since you’re been involved in enough IT projects
is the “one true path”
Cheers
Ken
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ken Schaefer
mailto:k
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> Yet he was the CTO for BT. He’s probably got a reasonable level of
> experience in how to actually deliver “something of this size”
>
> Anyone else sceptical of “the only way to do
> is…” claims that come from back-seat drivers?
>
Err I thi
: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Tony Wright mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Now to my position – lest you think me some impractical academic. In my BT life
I was employed as:
1) A digger of trenches
2) An installer of poles, cables, telephone
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 11:31 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited
They only way to deliver something of this size is to be transport agnostic,
stage the delivery and
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Tony Wright wrote:
> Now to my position – lest you think me some impractical academic. In my BT
> life I was employed as:
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> **
>
> 1) A digger of trenches
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> 2) An installer of poles, cables, telephones PBXs, exchanges
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> 3) A maintainer of PBXs, switc
Nathan Chere
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:46 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited
Ø Interesting reading. Why the Labor Party had so much difficulty selling this
we will probably never know.
Probably something to do with the public face of the plan being a patronising
power
> backlash if PRISM was making news while they were still pushing it?).
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>> If you push your product from day #1 with an iron fist attitude and
>> constantly behave like you have something to hide, people won’t want to buy
>> in whether you
otnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 September 2013 10:15 AM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* [OT] NBN revisited
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> Hi all,
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> Now, I should start this by pointing out that it is lo
mber 2013 10:15 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: [OT] NBN revisited
Hi all,
Now, I should start this by pointing out that it is looking like the Coalition
is going to win this election, so this little excerpt is unlikely to change
anything, but it’s always good to be informed.
This is an exce
Hi all,
Now, I should start this by pointing out that it is looking like the
Coalition is going to win this election, so this little excerpt is unlikely
to change anything, but it’s always good to be informed.
This is an excerpt from Peter Cochrane, ex-head of British Telecom, who
essential
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