Re: LX focus screen question

2003-03-17 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 11:19 17.3.2003 +0100, you wrote: Hello, for quite a long time now, I'm trying to get my hands on one of those 60ties screens like the SC-69 or SG-60. Has anyone of you a hint for me, where I could get those - particularly in Germany? Thank you very much in advance. Thomas Try our friendly

Re: some bessaflex specs

2003-03-17 Thread Camdir
What is a trigger winder? I believe this refers to the LeicaVit base mounted winder. A bit of a curiousity. Kind regards Peter Blake

Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens

2003-03-17 Thread akozak
Hi Alan, So you just glued two tapes in a proper place and that is all?I do not have M135/3.5 but my brother has so I shall see on which place you did it. I wonder if SMC K 135/2.5 and SMC K 105/2.8 have the same layout of rear mount to put the tapes at the same place. ANy comments. Thank you!

Re: Re: A35/2.8 lens

2003-03-17 Thread akozak
And it really gives matrix? and spot with PZ1? Alek Uytkownik Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: http://www3.telus.net/wlachan/M135back.jpg regards, Alan Chan Cost me $5 and a few mins to gain matrix metering. :) About masking some contacts I have read. I know that Alan did so with his

Re: some bessaflex specs

2003-03-17 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
What is a trigger winder? I believe this refers to the LeicaVit base mounted winder. Yes. A bit of a curiousity. Maybe, but it seems a wonderful device when you need fast film advance that would be virtually silent. Regards, £ukasz

Re: LX focus screen question

2003-03-17 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:59:04 -0500, Caveman wrote: What's *your* favorite LX focus screen ? Why ? I use the SC-69 (split + microprism) in the LX and the SG-60 matte grid in my 2nd MX. Both are the new bright types, supplied by Peter (Camera Direct). I started out using the grid screen in

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Pentax abandoned this segment so long ago that no one thinks of Pentax when they look for high end/high tech cameras. It would take years of work (that Pentax was never willing to do) to change the perception of the brand. Most people who are fans of taking pictures, rather than camera brands,

Re: LX focus screen question

2003-03-17 Thread Th. Stach
Jan van Wijk schrieb: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:59:04 -0500, Caveman wrote: What's *your* favorite LX focus screen ? Why ? I use the SC-69 (split + microprism) in the LX and the SG-60 matte grid in my 2nd MX... Hello, I already asked earlier, but it seems my message didn't make it through.

Re: Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread akozak
HI So what dou you suggest? Alek Uytkownik Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Pentax abandoned this segment so long ago that no one thinks of Pentax when they look for high end/high tech cameras. It would take years of work (that Pentax was never willing to do) to change the

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
USM and IS are not only for pro's. But speaking of pro's, I have seen many pro's with EOS 3 and F100. They're lighter and capable of producing professional results. Even EOS 30/33 and F80 has a pro-appeal, especially as 2nd bodies. So, Pentax does not have to do a F5 or EOS 1. Best wishes,

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Buy the equipment/technology you need from whoever sells it. Companies do not look after you; you don't worry about companies. Vote with your dollars, it's the only thing companies understand. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI So what dou you suggest? Alek

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think Bruce has a point here (and no, it's not on his head)... We have to remember, while we, loyal Pentax users, would love to see the brand grow and flourish, Pentax's target market in 35mm SLR has, I believe, always been amateur or entry level. This does not mean that they do not produce

Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Bojidar Dimitrov
Hi Roland, hi all, Roland Mabo wrote: Choosing SLR, is choosing a system. Those who wish to use the SLR primarly for ps photography doesn't bother, but those who are serious about learning photography - who sees photography as an art, as a hobby or as an income - thinks about SLR as a

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The only time pros buy these cameras is when their parts are used in DSLRs. The #1 concern of muost pros is reliability, and no matter how well mid range consumer cameras work they don't have a very solid feel, and pros don't trust them. The EOS 3 and F100 are sold by their makers as pro

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 14:51 17.3.2003 +0100, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote: ... I bought an EOS 30 (Elan 7e) and the top-rated lenses EF 70-200/4 USM L and 28-105/3.5-4.5 USM. What can I say, I wasn't feeling sick anymore. USM may be seen just as a gimmick by some on this list, but USM lenses have full-time manual and

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Feroze Kistan
IMHO, they do, if it wasn't for the EOS1/F5 they wouldn't sell as many of the lower models. People buy the F100 and tell themselves that ok I couldn't afford the F5 or my back can't handle the weight but I did buy the second best camera available, its selling lots and lots of the lower models that

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:49:34 -0500 I think Bruce has a point here (and no, it's not on his head)... We have to remember, while we, loyal Pentax users, would love to see the brand grow and flourish, Pentax's target market in 35mm SLR has, I believe,

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
Hi Bojidar, I understand your decision - but I feel that Pentax are moving towards USM and IS. And I believe that the *ist D has support for this technology. But, the question is always - how long will it take? New bodies and lenses with USM and IS. I believe that some might be released this

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 17, 2003 09:15 am, Roland Mabo wrote: enthusiastic amateurs as Pentax calls it. This is not a bad thing, but eventually - amateurs wants more than the el cheapo plastic le chique consumer zooms, they start to explore new areas of photography. They discover macrophotography and the

Re: This weekend

2003-03-17 Thread Ken Archer
It has always been my experience that animals look better on warm-tone film. I tried NPZ 800 and it was just too cold. Supra 800 gives me the fine grain, contrast and warm tones that I look for under less than ideal early morning and foggy conditions. I use Portra NC, both 160 and 400, as

MZ-5n popup flash spring broken

2003-03-17 Thread Markus . Bauernfeind
Dear list, recently the spring of my MZ-5n's flash has gone south. The flash can be released but won't stay up. Browsing the PDML archives I found some members reporting the same problem and various speculations about the location of the spring and whether this could be easily fixed but no

Re: This weekend

2003-03-17 Thread Ken Archer
Indian Paintbrush was already blooming in the hills around Bastrop this weekend. Since Indian Paintbrush depends upon Bluebonnets, they can't be too far behind. It might be a little too early this week, but I'll bet you can find lots of wild flowers in the area between Llano and Burnet

FS: K-mount goodies: ME Super SE, MV, lenses

2003-03-17 Thread Joe Wilensky
We did our taxes this weekend and found that we owe some money ... anyway, it's time to sell a few things. ME Super SE: Chrome. Beautiful condition -- of all the cameras I have ever gotten used, this one is in the closest to like-new condition that I have seen. It has that beautiful ME Super

Re: LX focus screen question

2003-03-17 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Thomas, On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:47:29 +0100, Th. Stach wrote: I use the SC-69 (split + microprism) in the LX and the SG-60 matte grid in my 2nd MX... Hello, I already asked earlier, but it seems my message didn't make it through. So please excuse me, if this comes twice. For quite a long

FS: screwmount goodies: Pentax SL, 20mm f/4.5 and 35mm f/2Super-Taks

2003-03-17 Thread Joe Wilensky
I have an Asahi Pentax SL with SL meter in bargain condition, includes case. Some bright marks and other external wear, but the mirror foam has been replaced and the shutter speeds were checked and adjusted about a year ago. The meter works and seems accurate, although the original knob that

Re: For Sale (lots of stuff)

2003-03-17 Thread Christian Skofteland
Coming to a fairground near you: Tom's Scratch and Dent Sale! If only i had spare cash, but alas, I'm saving for a DSLR. Christian On Monday 17 March 2003 01:29, tom wrote: These will go on Ebay Wednesday (or as soon as I get the pics done), so if you're interested, let me know. Will

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Pentxuser
Bojidar: Interesting approach and conclusion. I can see your reasons for leaving... But don't ever forget that it is the photographs that make the difference not the camera, not even really the lenses. If you want the latest and greatest USM, IS etc, go out and get it, but it really won't make

*ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
Hello gang, I've just got an e-mail from Pentax Scandinavia. They writes - In the *ist user manual, the compatibility chart will only contain KA, KAF and KAF2-mount lenses. So, no K and M lenses on the *ist. The *ist D will have full K-compatibility, but not the filmbased *ist. Now we know.

Re: OT: Leica M4-P for $110...

2003-03-17 Thread Mike Nosal
Note that the auction was closed early. eBay rules allow a seller to do this if and only if they then sell the goods to the current high bidder at the time. They do not have to sell the item at the current bid price when they close the auction. I would imagine that the high bidder made the

What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Caveman
Nick Zentena wrote: Pentax needs something like the Mamiya 645e. People are buying into the 645e who would never have looked at Mamiya higher priced models. I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to decide it anyway. But I definitely know that I'm eyeing a Bronica

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Greene
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bojidar: Interesting approach and conclusion. I can see your reasons for leaving... But don't ever forget that it is the photographs that make the difference not the camera, not even really the lenses. If you want the latest and greatest USM, IS etc, go out

RE: Scanner question - Minolta Dual Scan III

2003-03-17 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
Tony, I have used both Minolta Scan Dual II and Minolta Scan Elite II. Here is my opinion about these. About H/w Some Minolta scanners have banding problems, except this these scanners are excellent and I like the multi-film auto-load trays. I would suggest, try to scan both negatives

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Paul wrote_ Do you know something about Pentax future that we don't? Note: This is an honest question. REPLY: The honest answer is that I don't know what you know so I cannot answer the question honestly. Anyway, I don't pretend to know anything about the future. However, it is possible to

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Ryan wrote: So what? If you're not Canon, just give up? That doesn't sound like a better plan. Reply: So what what? I didn't suggest rolling over and play dead. I suggested that it was going to be difficult and more than just the products are needed. Pentax is suffering in the image

K/M lens compatibility really needed? (Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Alin wrote: If the existing Pentax users are present in their *istD sales projection then I expect them to be very, very scrupulous about the support for K/M lenses. Even the incompatibility of new KAF3 lenses with old cameras will be almost inconsequential compared to the

*ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed also by Pentax U.S.A)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
I got this from Pentax U.S.A regarding the filmbased *ist. --- Roland, Thank you for contacting Pentax USA, Inc. Our preliminary information regarding lenses, indicates the following Pentax lenses maybe used: Pentax mounts KAF2, KAF, and KA - these mounts are for our SMCP-FA, F, and A series

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Caveman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want the latest and greatest USM, IS etc, go out and get it, but it really won't make you a better photographer. Boz clearly stated that he is a technical head more than an artist, and I can understand his reasoning. It's his money, and he's free to spend it as

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
... Of the Irish single malts, I do like Connemara. Fine stuff. Of the ones distilled in Scotland, Oban tops my list, followed by Cardhu and Glen Morangie Cellar 13, both too good to be called second choice. ... And Lagavulin ! Or from France Cognac and Armagnac. Michel

Re: K/M lens compatibility really needed? (Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:38:11 +0100 I'm sure many disagree with this but I'm certain that the numbers of owners of K and M lenses that are going to buy a new DSLR is limited indeed. But Pentax has some special lenses and accessories that requires a

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Cameron Hood
It is indeed a sad day for Pentax and the PDML that the great Bojidar Dimitrov is leaving. His fabulous K mount page is world class, and this is a sad indication of the state that Pentax has left it's advanced users. It is not offering any support or encouragement in the top echelons

RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread zoomshot
Hi Boz, Any system is not the be all and end all, just like with many other things, when you feel it doesn't perform then you are free to change. What is more important is that you are still a photographer. Many thanks for the KMP site, which has given me and many others an invaluable source of

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Bill Owens
Lot's of French spirits are being poured down the sewer here in the USA at the present time :-) Bill - Original Message - From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:01 AM Subject: Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money) ...

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank goodness one of the single malts I like is down in the occasionally affordable despite my starving-artist budget price range: Loch Du. The others I know I like (I'm still a beginner, so there's a lot of tasting to do) are out of my league financially. *sigh* Balvenie Portwood *sigh*

Re: LX focus screen question

2003-03-17 Thread Levente -Levi- Littvay
for quite a long time now, I'm trying to get my hands on one of those 60ties screens like the SC-69 or SG-60. Has anyone of you a hint for me, where I could get those - particularly in Germany? Thank you very much in advance. [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy just sold me 2, for 25 pounds ea. His

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Levente -Levi- Littvay
That SUX... L On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 10:01, Roland Mabo wrote: Hello gang, I've just got an e-mail from Pentax Scandinavia. They writes - In the *ist user manual, the compatibility chart will only contain KA, KAF and KAF2-mount lenses. So, no K and M lenses on the *ist. The *ist D

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:13:07 -0800 the *ist D is way too late, and it better be cheap because it's last years' technology last years' technology? Why are you saying that? What's last year in it? We haven't seen the complete specification yet, but from what

Usefulness of IS lenses (was: Good-bye Pentax)

2003-03-17 Thread jerome
Some guy wrote: As I have said before, IS is fine for lazy photographer and special applications like shooting from a boat or something) but I use a tripod almost all the time and IS lenses would add nothing but cost to my outfit If it adds nothing to *your* outfit, then that's one

What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Butch Black
I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to decide it anyway. But I definitely know that I'm eyeing a Bronica GS-1. I'm pretty much sure that the 6x7 format will let me get much better enlargements than 35mm with USM, IS, VR, SW and whatnot. And lots of fun. Just make

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Peter Jansen
Bruce wrote: Buy the equipment/technology you need from whoever sells it. Companies do not look after you; you don't worry about companies. Vote with your dollars, it's the only thing companies understand. Yup this is true. There have been many a Nikon users who have switched or at the

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Peter Jansen
Bruce wrote: If you spent a couple of months using a F100 and N80, you would know why N80's aren't used as backups to F100's. Backup bodies are: another F100, or the photographers old, N90, F3 or FM2n. Sure this may be true generally. However Galen Rowell aways like taking his N80 when

Re: Usefulness of IS lenses

2003-03-17 Thread Herb Chong
in brilliant sunlight with high speed film. that has its own compromises. Herb. - Original Message - From: Gregory L. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 14:21 Subject: Re: Usefulness of IS lenses Some people on the newsgroups have reported

Re: How to make a dry Martini

2003-03-17 Thread gfen
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, William Robb wrote: I believe my father kept a bottle of Vermouth in the garage. When he made a Martini, he would look at the garage while pouring the gin into the glass. Now, now, you have to at least WAVE the vermouth cap over the glass. (at least I'm not with people who

RE: RE: Automatic diaphragm on adapted Takumar?

2003-03-17 Thread U+B Scheffler
Thanks, good to know. The Takumar probably is overrated then. Would the image quality of Zeiss Flektogon 20mm be near the K-mount Pentax 20mms? There are f4 and a f2.8 (newer) versions running on german ebay just now Regards Bernd -original message--

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Artur Ledóchowski
- Original Message - From: Levente -Levi- Littvay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed). That SUX... Yes, more than anything. Until now I was going to buy the *ist - but not anymore... I'll wait for something else. This means IMHO that the

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Monday, March 17, 2003, 5:21:02 PM, you wrote: Lot's of French spirits are being poured down the sewer here in the USA at the present time :-) I read somewhere recently that fast food joints in the USA aren't selling French Fries any more, but 'Liberty Fries'! I nearly had to go to

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
Now I don't follow you. The *ist is an entry level body, the entry model in the new *ist serie. For years, ever since the MZ-50 came out, Pentax entry bodies has lacked support for K and M mount lenses. This is not a new thing, this is not a new approach. The MZ-50, then the MZ-30, then the

Re: Re: Automatic diaphragm on adapted Takumar?

2003-03-17 Thread U+B Scheffler
Actual I can't remember because I have looked for several different lenses and might mix them. But I noticed that a SMC A 20/2.8 went for a price I didn't want to spend by the way. I have already the wonderful FA* 24/2.0 and I am not sure if I am really in need of a 20mm. But there is a little bit

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Bill Owens
I read somewhere recently that fast food joints in the USA aren't selling French Fries any more, but 'Liberty Fries'! I nearly had to go to hospital I laughed so much at that one. The cafeteria in the US Congress now calls them Freedom Fries I seem to recall the French doing you guys a lot

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Gary L. Murphy
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:27:51 -0500, Bill Owens wrote: I seem to recall us returning the favor twice in the 20th century, as evidenced by the thousands of US soldiers buried in French soil. and how easily they forget. Later, Gary

RE: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
Roland Mabo wrote Now I don't follow you. The *ist is an entry level body, the entry model in the new *ist serie. For years, ever since the MZ-50 came out, Pentax entry bodies has lacked support for K and M mount lenses. This is not a new thing, this is not a new approach. The MZ-50, then the

Re: K/M lens compatibility really needed? (Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-17 Thread Carlos Royo
Peter Jansen escribió: Definitely two types of Pentax users. It is not so easy to draw a dividing line between two different types of Pentax users. I have 14 different lenses and 3 teleconverters in Pentax K mount. 10 of the lenses are AF (F, FA or FA*) and 4 MF (K, M and A). And 3 of the

Re: Usefulness of IS lenses

2003-03-17 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Herb Chong said: in brilliant sunlight with high speed film. that has its own compromises. Herb. - Original Message - From: Gregory L. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 14:21 Subject: Re: Usefulness of IS lenses Some people on the

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Artur Ledóchowski
- Original Message - From: Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed). Now I don't follow you. The *ist is an entry level body, the entry model in the new *ist serie. For years, ever since the MZ-50 came out, Pentax entry bodies

RE: Good-bye Pentax

2003-03-17 Thread Andre Langevin
Boz, it's been such a pleasure to work with you on the KMP and to read your post on the list. I hope you'll be able to maintain the KMP and that you'll show up on the list once in a while to give us a sense of what it is to be with the competition... and what Pentax should do to maintain a

RE: RE: Automatic diaphragm on adapted Takumar?

2003-03-17 Thread Andre Langevin
Thanks, good to know. The Takumar probably is overrated then. Would the image quality of Zeiss Flektogon 20mm be near the K-mount Pentax 20mms? There are f4 and a f2.8 (newer) versions running on german ebay just now Regards Bernd Bern, it's true that the 20mm Takumar is not distorsion free (like,

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Keith Whaley
Can't even wait until the new camera even comes out, right? We all know, or should, that Pentax U.S.A. doesn't know squat! Never did, never will. If Pentax Japan doesn't tell them, which they normally don't, the USA marketing arm knows nothing. Forget the specs they quote. They don't know. Until

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:56:12 +0100 This I know well of course:) However Pentax has changed its approach radically. None of the previous entry level cripled-mount bodies is so much packed with features. It depends on how you see it. Even the MZ-60 has

Re: K/M lens compatibility really needed? (Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-17 Thread Matt Bevers
Note: The following comments apply more to the film *ist than to the *ist D Just over a year ago I was inspired to finally take up photography, something I had always wanted to do but never seemed to have the time or money for. Unfortunately, I still didn't have the money, so I looked

Re: OT: Leica M4-P for $110...

2003-03-17 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Mike Nosal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would imagine that the high bidder made the seller a reasonable offer, and the seller decided they didn't want to wait for the auction to end, only to discover there wasn't enough bidding to drive the price up to the level the buyer offered. Hi Mike,

RE: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Len Paris
Boz, I want to thank you for all of the effort that you put into the KMP. It's a really great resource. I hope that, if you decide to stop maintaining it, you'll consider finding another serious Pentax head to take over the maintenance. If you make the switch to Canon completely, perhaps you'll

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere recently that fast food joints in the USA aren't selling French Fries any more, but 'Liberty Fries'! I nearly had to go to hospital I laughed so much at that one. In revenge, the French have decided to refer to American Cheese as.American

Re: *ist - not compatible with K and M lenses (confirmed).

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
Pentax Scandinavia, who translates the *ist user manual from english to swedish, confirms that the *ist is not compatible with K and M lenses. They should now, since they written it in the user manual! It's clear now that the first press release from Pentax U.S.A contained errors, and that

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Dave wrote: Pentax's target market in 35mm SLR has, I believe, always been amateur or entry level. REPLY: Canon target market have also always been entry level. They have in fact dominated this segment for 25 years. The wast majority of all Nikon and Canon gear sold is entry level. DAVE: This

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Roland wrote: I understand your decision - but I feel that Pentax are moving towards USM and IS. And I believe that the *ist D has support for this technology. But, the question is always - how long will it take? New bodies and lenses with USM and IS. I believe that some might be released this

Re: K/M lens compatibility really needed? (Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-17 Thread Roland Mabo
From: Matt Bevers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:19:14 -0500 If I were to buy right now, my choices based on price would be a ZX-L, ZX-5n or an *ist. Of these, the *ist definitely seems to be the best feature-wise, but if it can't use K and M lenses (and it seems like it won't be

Re: What I lust for (was Re: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 17, 2003 11:17 am, Caveman wrote: Nick Zentena wrote: Pentax needs something like the Mamiya 645e. People are buying into the 645e who would never have looked at Mamiya higher priced models. I don't know what Pentax actually needs, and it's not my business to decide it anyway.

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread frank theriault
I heard that there's a movement afoot to change the name of French Toast to something else (I don't remember what ). The irony is (so I've heard) is that French Toast is so named because it was first served in a New York restaurant owned by a certain Mr. French... vbg Of course, you can't

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 17, 2003 01:46 pm, Roland Mabo wrote: Pentax must supply what the market demands. Great now define the market. Ask 100 people here and I bet you'll get 101 different answers. Maybe 201. Nick

No politics, please

2003-03-17 Thread frank theriault
I've noticed a few jibes and pokes at the French over the past couple of days or week, what with their veto threat on Security Council. So far nothing really terrible has been said, but it's starting... Could we keep politics off the list please? It's not only due to the fact that there are

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
For a lot of types of photography, it may not make you a better photographer, but you will get better photographs. Most of this misty-eyed, romantic, manual drivel comes from people with little of no experience using current high-end equipment. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want the

Re: No politics, please

2003-03-17 Thread Bill Owens
I agree, Frank, and I apologize for my previous post. BTW, I understand that Belgium is claiming credit for French Fries Bill - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: No politics, please I've

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
They took different pictures. You couldn't create the images with the old gear that you can with the new. If you like the 1942 look, fine. Not everyone does. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of this talk about how important USM, IS, FPS makes me wonder how in the hell did anybody ever take a

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: I have no idea why people think that a company 1/10 the size of Canon would have the same RD budget as Canon. REPLY: Ideas are like beards. Men doesn't have them until they grow up. Incidentally, didn't you say the same thing about a Pentax DSLR? That they would never make one

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Galen Rowell is unfortunately dead. He used the N80, and previously the N60, for their very light weight for rock/mountain climbing. It's a rather special use, and I wouldn't draw general conclusions from it. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure this may be true generally. However Galen Rowell

RE: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread David Chang-Sang
Pal; Pentax's current flagship - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, considered a failure. Pentax's last decent model was the MZ-5n IMHO. What's left? MZ-L, MZ-6 etc. none of which are beyond advanced amateur. The same could be said for Minolta's offerings outside of their nicely spec'd

Re: 2nd report from CeBIT

2003-03-17 Thread Herb Chong
none of the others do. it's really a question of what else can the monitor show that would be hard to do in a viewfinder. right now, nothing has come up that will help take a better picture. there are two places where i think it would be a really really big advantage. one is when you need to

Re: THE FRENCH

2003-03-17 Thread Levente -Levi- Littvay
NEVER judge people by their government's actions. (if you want to go down that path, it's probably better for you, Americans, not to travel nowadays) Every person is entiteled to have an opinion about others... but don't base it on someone's government's behavior. I know lots of French people

RE: THE FRENCH

2003-03-17 Thread David Chang-Sang
Thanks for keeping politics off of the list... Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: THE FRENCH I seem to recall the French doing you guys a lot of favours way back in the 18th

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Pentxuser
Thanks Fred: You are exactly right. I was not in any way suggesting Boj was lazy ... I was, in fact, trying to convince him not to leave Pentax for the bells and whistles that Canon and Nikon offer. As photographers, collectors and gadget freaks (which most of us are including myself) I think

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Mark Roberts
David Chang-Sang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax's current flagship - MZ-S - is, even by those on this list, considered a failure. What??? Mark Roberts MZ-S owner

Re: THE FRENCH

2003-03-17 Thread Brendan
NO Politics please __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Jim Apilado
How many look at your cameras when you are out? I never had anyone come out and tell me how beautiful my equipment is. Never had anyone come up to me and say how tacky my LX, 645, or ESII are. I am happy that Pentax is still in the medium format business. I would be interested if a digital

Re: OT: Whiskey (Was the things we do for money)

2003-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. So you're saying that the French were mistaken in thinking that the US troops were liberating them instead of simply subjecting them to rule by another overlord? Huh?

Re: THE FRENCH

2003-03-17 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Well, said. Thank you for articulating what I couldn't - and in a much more civil way than I might have, too! g Maybe we can get back to Pentax and photography issues now. cheers, frank Levente -Levi- Littvay wrote: NEVER judge people by their government's actions. (if you want to go

Re: THE FRENCH

2003-03-17 Thread Scott Nelson
Where would the world be without a United States of America? Are you sure you want to hear answers to this one? Somehow I don't all the replies would be to your liking. -Scott

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Mar 2003 at 20:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Fred: You are exactly right. I was not in any way suggesting Boj was lazy ... I was, in fact, trying to convince him not to leave Pentax for the bells and whistles that Canon and Nikon offer. I doubt Boz's move is about bells and

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread John Mustarde
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:51:33 +0100, you wrote: Best wishes to all and thanks for all I've learned from you! To all KMP contributors most sincere thanks! Bojidar Dimitrov Many thanks for the KMP site, Boz. I've enjoyed it many times. I bought a Nikon D100 DSLR, intending to hold onto my Pentax

Re: Pentax needs USM and IS

2003-03-17 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Fine whatever the reason. If you want high tech/high end you buy from someone other than Pentax. Pentax spent a lot of years successfully creating the perception among buyers that they aren't a first line SLR maker. No matter what sort of hand waving, smoke and mirrors exercise you want to go

Re: Good-bye Pentax (was: Pentax needs USM and IS)

2003-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
Jim Apilado wrote: How many look at your cameras when you are out? I've had numerous inquiries regarding my 6x7. People are intrigued by the fact that it looks like an SLR on steroids. But my recently acquired Leica IIIf draws a crowd. I've only been using it for a week, but people

Re: THE FRENCH

2003-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's inflammatory, and it's exactly what we don't need. Scott Nelson wrote: Where would the world be without a United States of America? Are you sure you want to hear answers to this one? Somehow I don't all the replies would be to your liking. -Scott

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