RE: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-28 Thread Tim Øsleby
in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 28. juli 2006 06:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? I don't think

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
580 miles in the Prius means 52 mpg (11 gallon tank). Mileage improves in inner city use as the electric motor gets more of the load, and in traffic there are virtually zero emissions ... the gas motor only fires up to charge the battery if it gets low, it's off when stopped in traffic.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Good diesels are very efficient too, although they're harder to clean up emissions-wise. It's a shame that they do so poorly in the US market ... there are a ton of superb diesel powered cars in the UK and Europe. I've rented them when

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
How did I know... Cotty wrote: On 23/7/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Actually Brazil seems to be doing well on ethanol, but I don't know what they're using as a feed stock, probably cutting down the rain forest. Correct.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread Carlos Royo
Cotty wrote: On 23/7/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Actually Brazil seems to be doing well on ethanol, but I don't know what they're using as a feed stock, probably cutting down the rain forest. Correct. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3024636.stm Not

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Hum, so you did a google search, did you find these numbers, broken down by ethnic groups. This takes a little work so bear with me. The current Ethnic makeup of the US is 80.4% White which includes White Hispanics 12.8% Black which includes Black

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Sounds like the same design philosophy as the Porsche(VW) 914... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the Fiero wasn't exactly a classic. It was a low-budget throw-together project from GM that did nothing to boost their reputation. The engine and transaxle were almost identical to the front-drive

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
I think you can thank me for sending this car-eening wildly off topic... frank theriault wrote: On 7/24/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, have you ever dropped a transmission on a front wheel drive car vs a rear wheel drive? The labor is probably 5+ times. You basically have to

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
John Francis wrote: On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:02:51PM +0800, David Savage wrote: At 08:34 AM 26/07/2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: A decent jerk factor as automotive engineers are fond of saying, but it certainly runs out of steam in a hurry. Not fun by my standards. Paul We call

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26. juli 2006 18:27 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? I think you better stop talking about cars before you hurt yourself. That whole BS about FWD being the same amount of work

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I'll offer rights to the comic book at a reasonable rate. ]'-) G On Jul 27, 2006, at 9:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I don't think you can offend Godfrey, he's impervious, (Interesting idea for a Super Hero there). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread David Savage
At 08:34 AM 26/07/2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: A decent jerk factor as automotive engineers are fond of saying, but it certainly runs out of steam in a hurry. Not fun by my standards. Paul We call it Wank Factor in our office. Usually used to describe something flashy that is really unimportant

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:50:38 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Prius has two motors ... the 1.5L four cylinder gas motor at 76 hp and the electric motor at 67 hp. The drive system is designed to use them together: very low speeds entirely on the electric, switch to the gas for standard

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread graywolf
Hell, my 86 Escort would get up to 700 miles on a 13gal tank full. Of course it was a diesel. Ford claimed 38mpg but I consistently got 45 combined, and 50-55 on the highway. Now if my S-10 would only do so well (15 town/25 highway). -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:02:51PM +0800, David Savage wrote: At 08:34 AM 26/07/2006, Paul Stenquist wrote: A decent jerk factor as automotive engineers are fond of saying, but it certainly runs out of steam in a hurry. Not fun by my standards. Paul We call it Wank Factor in our office.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread urbanlegend1031
I think you better stop talking about cars before you hurt yourself. That whole BS about FWD being the same amount of work as RWD for transaxle repair exposed your ignorance. Before working for an aircraft company, I was a mechanic/instructor for 15 years. They dont compare period. Now

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread Adam Maas
Well, the only problem with your post is that Godders is right about the Prius's driveline and you are wrong. The Prius uses a mechanical planetary gearset to connect the engine to the wheels, as well as the two electric motor/generators. The electric motors running in generator mode when

RE: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
: Re: New telephoto lenses? I think you better stop talking about cars before you hurt yourself. That whole BS about FWD being the same amount of work as RWD for transaxle repair exposed your ignorance. Before working for an aircraft company, I was a mechanic/instructor for 15 years

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-26 Thread mike wilson
graywolf wrote: Hell, my 86 Escort would get up to 700 miles on a 13gal tank full. Of course it was a diesel. Ford claimed 38mpg but I consistently got 45 combined, and 50-55 on the highway. Now if my S-10 would only do so well (15 town/25 highway). In this present hot spell, I'm getting

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/24 Mon PM 09:41:58 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? mike wilson wrote: From: Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] graywolf wrote: Well, I like the idea of killing everyone who

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Mishka
those are uncorrelated measures. best, mishka On 7/23/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, if you are feeding a large part of the world with food it really explains why you are so popular, and why you have the world record in debt to other countries. DagT Den 23. jul. 2006 kl. 20.57

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: That said, I recall a Citroen DS21 that took about 22 hours to change a left side motor mount too. A nightmare. 22 hours is a bit excessive. I've done it in a lot less. The difference is that if you follow the official shop manual

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Mishka
because the most efficient process that turns dollars to oil, is simply bying oil from the producers :) best, mishka On 7/23/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about that. I´ve never understood why the west does not use it´s technology and wealth to become independent of oil. DagT --

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Mishka
you get rid of him means there are two of you. i wholeheartedly subscribe to your statement regarding logic and this group best, mishka. On 7/23/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, everone on the planet. As you continue executing them, the median income goes down until one person has it

Re: OT: global warming and Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On 7/23/06, Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet, you could not believe all the trees when you were out here. I believe you, Marnie, the environment in San Francisco has deteriorated vastly in your lifetime. I on the other hand having grown up in places like Detroit, and Buffalo am amazed

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2006, at 3:11 AM, Bob Shell wrote: That said, I recall a Citroen DS21 that took about 22 hours to change a left side motor mount too. A nightmare. 22 hours is a bit excessive. I've done it in a lot less. I would hope so! This one was not only the usual inaccessible problem but

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread graywolf
If you have a shop equipped for working on those things you simple drop the entire drive train from the car and work on it separately. Trying to disassemble the thing in the car is a nightmare. Old Volkswagons were the same way you could hoist up the car and drop the engine/transaxel in a few

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread graywolf
There are a couple of Fieros around town here that have V8's stuffed in them. Anyone care to guess what a Fiero with a 421 tri-power is like? No, I have not ridden in it. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread graywolf
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? mike wilson wrote: From: Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] graywolf wrote: Well, I like the idea of killing everyone who has an income above the median, they are resource hogs having more than their fair share

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Gonz
Sure, but on FWD, you still cant do that easily, it has to come out the bottom, and on most of the ones I've seen, you have to still remove alot of stuff before you can do that. Again, its because the two half shafts are connected to the transaxle and the front wheels, which in turn is

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread pnstenquist
Graywolf asked, Anyone care to guess what a Fiero with a 421 tri-power is like? Um, twisted? Hopefully, it's just a Fiero body on a tube chassis. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The engine and transmission of all the FWD cars I've worked on was most easily removed by pulling them up out of the engine compartment. Some come out most easily as a unit. Others require they be separated in the car. It's been relatively straightforward to do. I have also changed the

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey, Most modern FWD drivetrains can't be removed by pulling them up, there's simply not enough room to get the engine and transaxle out that way (The LH cars are an exception, but you still normally drop the engine/tranny when working on them). If you haven't worked on most post-1980

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Gonz
It sounds like thats where the disconnect is then. You worked on cars before 1980, I worked on them past 1982 or so. lol. They *are* a pain in the butt now. I'm sure what you say about the pre '80 cars are true. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The engine and transmission of all the FWD cars I've

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread mike wilson
graywolf wrote: As far as I know the US government defines Median income as the middle of the population, not the middle of the dollar amount. So in this case Keith is correct. However as I pointed out in a previous post, I was considering repeated iterations, so it hardly matters which

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread mike wilson
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The engine and transmission of all the FWD cars I've worked on was most easily removed by pulling them up out of the engine compartment. Some come out most easily as a unit. Others require they be separated in the car. It's been relatively straightforward to do.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2006, at 12:02 PM, mike wilson wrote: Many (most?) modern FWD cars require a hoist and an engine jack. The whole car is lifted, the jack placed under the engine and, after the usual disconnections, the whole power unit is dropped, in its subframe assembly, to be worked on. Very

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Adam Maas wrote: If you haven't worked on most post-1980 cars, which are the vast majority of FWD designs, you probably shouldn't be commenting as an authority on servicing FWD drivetrains. Because you aren't an authority as your experience predates 90% of

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Gonz wrote: It sounds like thats where the disconnect is then. You worked on cars before 1980, I worked on them past 1982 or so. lol. They *are* a pain in the butt now. I'm sure what you say about the pre '80 cars are true. Most likely ... but *all*

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 25, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Adam Maas wrote: If you haven't worked on most post-1980 cars, which are the vast majority of FWD designs, you probably shouldn't be commenting as an authority on servicing FWD drivetrains. Because you aren't an authority as your

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Keith McGuinness
graywolf wrote: As far as I know the US government defines Median income as the middle of the population, not the middle of the dollar amount. So in this case Keith is correct. I hope I'm right! I'll be in a room in about 4 hours with my introductory stats class. It would be a bit of a

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread graywolf
The magic of dash-dash-space (removed from my sig line in this instance) that makes it easy to get rid of excess verbiage. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- mike wilson wrote: graywolf

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: You live in California. MR2's are a lot less common elsewhere. Here in Toronto (Which is exotic car central in Canada) I see more Lamborghini's than I do MR2's. I can't recall the last time I actually saw an MR2, and I'm a car buff who is

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 25, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Adam Maas wrote: You live in California. MR2's are a lot less common elsewhere. Here in Toronto (Which is exotic car central in Canada) I see more Lamborghini's than I do MR2's. I can't recall the last time I actually saw an MR2, and

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jul 25, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I just looked under the hood of a Prius. Now there's a complex little devil: I think there are more electronics under the hood than there is engine by a factor of 10. Nice car to drive, however. A decent jerk factor as automotive

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I lease my daily transportation cars and never service them at all. I may change the oil every 20,000 miles or so if necessary, and I have the brakes pads and tires replaced if they wear out. My last six cars, going back to 1994, have been Chrysler products (because I was writing their

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread keith_w
Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jul 25, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I just looked under the hood of a Prius. Now there's a complex little devil: I think there are more electronics under the hood than there is engine by a factor of 10. Nice car to drive, however. A decent jerk

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
No, I mean the acceleration is brisk right off the start -- that's the jerk factor. But it diminishes quickly. A GM engineer once told me how they played with throttle linkage action to improve the jerk factor, because that's what people felt. Real acceleration was less important.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Eactivist
I think this should be renamed the never ending thread. Content changeable. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 25, 2006, at 6:00 PM, keith_w wrote: I just looked under the hood of a Prius. Now there's a complex little devil: I think there are more electronics under the hood than there is engine by a factor of 10. Nice car to drive, however. A decent jerk factor as automotive engineers

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Just think of the photo opportunities... G On Jul 23, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: You want us all to go back to a hunter-gatherer life-style? How could we use or Pentax's then? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/23/2006 5:47:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You want us all to go back to a hunter-gatherer life-style? How could we use or Pentax's then? Keith McG I meant a scientific formula based on nature, re animals, re carrying capacity does not

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/7/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Actually Brazil seems to be doing well on ethanol, but I don't know what they're using as a feed stock, probably cutting down the rain forest. Correct. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3024636.stm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Eactivist
Searching the Net I have found nothing to indicate that the US population growth has slowed to 0. Overall growth has slowed, but the population is still growing by quite a bit. A major surge occurred in the 1990's. Anyone curious can check census bureau facts. Also, in almost all areas US

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread mike wilson
graywolf wrote: Most ethanol is synthesized from petroleum these days, except for the stuff we drink. So is a large amounts of the hydrocarbon chemicals used in industry. Much of our clothing is made from petroleum. And of course most of the plastics we use. Fuel is actually far from

Re: Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread mike wilson
From: Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/24 Mon AM 12:45:49 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? graywolf wrote: Well, I like the idea of killing everyone who has an income above the median, they are resource hogs having

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 23, 2006, at 8:24 PM, graywolf wrote: Most ethanol is synthesized from petroleum these days, except for the stuff we drink. Sez who? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread graywolf
Go read Future Shock by Alan Toffler. He seems to have called it pretty close (especially about population growth in the US) unlike most writers who predict the future. Population growth for whites is below zero, for other races way above zero. The import/export ratio is not a matter of

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread graywolf
Well for one thing natural forests are pretty mono-species, most of North Eastern North America was forested mostly with White Pine when the first Europeans arrived. Even in forests intense species competition exists with the more successful driving out the less successful. However there is a

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Christian
graywolf wrote: Well for one thing natural forests are pretty mono-species, most of North Eastern North America was forested mostly with White Pine It was more of a climax mixed hardwood/pine forests. Huge stands of 200-year-old oaks, sycamores, poplars, maples, hickory, chestnuts (the

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Gonz
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 8:33 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The co-location of steering and drive makes even the simplest FWD car more mechanically complex than a RWD car, even if both have fully independant suspensions. The CV joints and drive shafts are what drive up the cost of

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Gonz
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I don't see how repairs become much more problematic. The only thing that becomes more difficult to repair about a front drive car vs a typical front engine/rear drive car is the fact that the engine and transmission are enclosed in a smaller space so it can

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 24, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Gonz wrote: Hmm, have you ever dropped a transmission on a front wheel drive car vs a rear wheel drive? The labor is probably 5+ times. You basically have to remove a huge number of suspension components on FWD *and* take out the split axle before you

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 24, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Gonz wrote: ... that's really more a reflection of the quality of the design than the type. I'm sorry, but you're still not convincing me. I've changed transmissions on both types of cars and there is a *world* of difference. As I said, differences in

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread frank theriault
On 7/24/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, have you ever dropped a transmission on a front wheel drive car vs a rear wheel drive? The labor is probably 5+ times. You basically have to remove a huge number of suspension components on FWD *and* take out the split axle before you even get

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread pnstenquist
I wrote an article for Popular Mechanics some years ago about car repair difficulty. I arranged for about a dozen popular models to be delivered to an automotive service center. The best mechanic in the house performed six repairs to each car. He scored them one to ten, easy to most difficult.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread frank theriault
On 7/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote an article for Popular Mechanics some years ago about car repair difficulty. I arranged for about a dozen popular models to be delivered to an automotive service center. The best mechanic in the house performed six repairs to

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Adam Maas
Ease of repair is very closely related to space under the hood in my experience. The Fiero had none, especially in the V6 versions. Most compact cars have little space under the hood. RWD front engined cars tend to be larger with the extra space that comes with it. They also have simpler

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread pnstenquist
Yeah, the Fiero wasn't exactly a classic. It was a low-budget throw-together project from GM that did nothing to boost their reputation. The engine and transaxle were almost identical to the front-drive units in the X-body cars. The steering knuckles were simply locked into position. I believe

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
How about the Pontiac Sunbird which requires either engine removal or using a hole saw in the firewall structure behind the dashboard to get to the rear two sparkplugs? Or the Jaguar XKE which requires removal of 3/4 of the interior, most of the front suspension, the entire exhaust and

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Gonz
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 24, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Gonz wrote: ... that's really more a reflection of the quality of the design than the type. I'm sorry, but you're still not convincing me. I've changed transmissions on both types of cars and there is a *world* of difference. As

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Keith McGuinness
mike wilson wrote: From: Keith McGuinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] graywolf wrote: Well, I like the idea of killing everyone who has an income above the median, they are resource hogs having more than their fair share of everything. You want to kill half the population on the planet? Seems a

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Gonz, Thanks. Godfrey's I know it all attitude was beginning to get on my nerves. The bullshit detector was going off every time I read his commentary. I've pulled the transmissions on RWD cars and wouldn't even try a FWD. Things are way too cramped in a modern engine compartment with FWD.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
LOL Obviously, you've made a living as a mechanic, right Bob? G On Jul 24, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Gonz, Thanks. Godfrey's I know it all attitude was beginning to get on my nerves. The bullshit detector was going off every time I read his commentary. I've pulled the

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Adam Maas
Bob, Go pop the hood on a Chrysler LH car (Intrepid, 300M, Vision or Concorde) and tell me there's no room to work on a FWD car. It really does depend on the car. I still will insist that CV Joints make a FWD car more expensive to miantain if everything else is equal, but that's my experience

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey, Never earned a penny as an auto mechanic although I was employed as a mechanical engineer long ago. Like Click and Clack, the Tappet brothers on Car Talk, I always figured it was a fall-back job I could do if nothing else came along. Now, I wouldn't care too much for the knuckle

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Adam, I'll have to take a look at those. Here's what I've seen of FWD... '8? Toyota Tercel:-( '88 Olds Delta 88:-( '93 Buick Park Ave. :-( '02 Olds Aurora :-( '04 Accura T6 :-( Not enough room for a sack lunch under the hood of any of them! Regards, Bob S. On 7/24/06, Adam

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
I did. For quite a few years. Passenger cars and race cars. And I agree with Gonz. There's no comparison. Yes, there are some rear drivers, like the Jag XKE, that are tough to work on, but on average, they are far easier. And that comes from a former XJ12L owner. Worked on that car for 22

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, the LH cars were better than most front drivers when it came to ease of repair. The K cars were also better than a lot of imports and the GM And Ford front drivers of the eighties. Chrysler always focused on ease of repair. But in regard to the LH cars, were is the operative word.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Adam Maas
Yep, The K cars really needed the ease of repair. Tough they were, but they weren't all that reliable. The LH's (at least the first gen ones) had tranny issues too. And don' forget the Dodge Magnum, which was the first of the LH replacements. Great car, if only it had a 6 speed stick in it.

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? Yeah, the Fiero wasn't exactly a classic. It was a low-budget throw-together project from GM that did nothing to boost their reputation. The engine and transaxle were almost identical to the front

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - I always thought the Fiero was really badly handled from the get go. When it came out it had poor suspension, I don't think the suspension issues were ever dealt with, I read somewhere they took the suspension pretty much straight from some

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
In Europe you can get a Dodge Magnum with Chrysler badging and a Chrysler 300 grille. It's called the Chrysler 300 Estate Wagon. Paul On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Yep, The K cars really needed the ease of repair. Tough they were, but they weren't all that reliable. The LH's

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/24/2006 8:01:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go read Future Shock by Alan Toffler. He seems to have called it pretty close (especially about population growth in the US) unlike most writers who predict the future. Population growth for whites is below

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Keith McGuinness
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/23/2006 5:47:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You want us all to go back to a hunter-gatherer life-style? How could we use or Pentax's then? I meant a scientific formula based on nature, re animals, re carrying

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/24/2006 8:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is difficult to argue that the hunter-gathering lifestyle, probably the earliest human lifestyle, is not natural. Then some societies developed agriculture. At what point do you decide that human

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Keith McGuinness
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/24/2006 8:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is difficult to argue that the hunter-gathering lifestyle, probably the earliest human lifestyle, is not natural. Then some societies developed agriculture. At what point do

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread David Savage
At 11:13 AM 25/07/2006, Marnie wrote: Have fun. Maybe I will try to elucidate later. Don't bother. Whatever that is it sounds painful. ;-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/24/2006 8:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have fun. Maybe I will try to elucidate later. I guess I'm confused! Not to worry! Keith McG === If I do, it will take a lot of thought and effort and writing. Which is why I hesitate to do so. Maybe

Re: [OT] Carrying capacity (was New telephoto lenses?)

2006-07-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/24/2006 8:33:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't bother. Whatever that is it sounds painful. ;-) Dave == LOL. You got it. Marnie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread John Coyle
: Re: New telephoto lenses? SNIP My Honda used to eat front suspensions and CV joints, my wife's Toyota required regular CV joint replacement, and my Isuzu required an expensive tranny rebuild at about 100,000km (GM crap transmission to be sure). I'll stick to rear drive trucks now, they seem

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread Don Williams
- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? SNIP My Honda used to eat front suspensions and CV joints, my wife's Toyota required regular CV joint replacement, and my Isuzu

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread John Coyle
-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? Here and in the UK the bodies rust and fall to pieces while the engines remain good. Don John Coyle wrote: I wonder if the condition of the roads makes any difference? I don't know whether Bill's

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Today's front wheel drive cars handle relatively well, but like others have noted, rear drive cars handle better under most circumstances. Early front-wheel drive cars were a mess. Almost all of them came with a handling characteristic known

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/23/2006 12:53:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here and in the UK the bodies rust and fall to pieces while the engines remain good. Don === Weather is a big factor. In California, you can see classic old cars on the road. No snow, no salt on

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread Vic Macbournie
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:00:16 -0400 Cotty wrote: On 22/7/06, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: . FWD overloads the fornt

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Very good for car buffs, very bad for air quality. Older cars can generate 10X as much emmissions. The best thing to clean up air polution in the US would be to put a bounty on old, beater cars. Regards, Bob S. On 7/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California seems to go very

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread Tom Reese
IMO, the best thing to clean up air pollution and all the other problems we have is to address overpopulation. Tom Reese Very good for car buffs, very bad for air quality. Older cars can generate 10X as much emmissions. The best thing to clean up air polution in the US would be to put a

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread graywolf
As the late Hugh Morton said, there are seven coal burning power plants here in VA that are grandfathered in and do not have to meet environmental standards. Each of them put out more pollution than all the cars in the state. Funny how this environmental stuff works, isn't it? Before all these

Re: New telephoto lenses?

2006-07-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Vic Macbournie Subject: Re: New telephoto lenses? I own two Subaru wagons and I have never driven a car that handles as good as these all-wheel drive vehicles. Rain, snow, sleet, and we get them all here in Canada, are nothing to worry about. On regular

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