They may be using different definitions of what is concidered to be sharp. Pentax
uses a circle of confusion (CoC) being 0,035mm. If The Industar lens uses a larger
CoC it may explain the difference. Otherwise it may not be exactly 50mm...
DagT
>
> Fra: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alin, and others who answered,
I think you're right. It actually did not occur to me that COF can be
different and so of course the reliability of the markings...
No, I don't think I am going to throw this lens against brick wall
shooting and testing. I am just going to use it and see how resul
>>Re: My own DOF confusion
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:39:29 +0300
>From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Hello.
>
>Few days ago I received my own pancake lens. This is probably the
>cheap
Hi!
Naturally, I meant to say "COC" not "COF". Typo.
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:55:14 +0300
"Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think you're right. It actually did not occur to me that COF can be
different and so of course the reliability of the markings...
Boris
Hi!
The loss sustained with standard lens designs for 35mm outfits is
something to get used to when going to medium- and large-format
designs. Using a Tessar design may provide a better image
perspective and you may be either pleased or disapppointed with what
you see -- depending on your fam
Looks like in the former Soviet Union they had larger circles of confusion -
big country, big tolerances, we used to say.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
- Original Message -
From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML
Hi!
"Raimo K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Looks like in the former Soviet Union they had larger circles of
confusion -
big country, big tolerances, we used to say.
All the best!
Raimo K
LOL.
Alin
Rule of thumb is appr. (AFAIR) 1/3 in front of focus point, 2/3 behind.
All the best
Jens
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Alin Flaider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 22. marts 2004 12:30
Til: Boris Liberman
Emne: Re: My own DOF
You might also notice another DOF difference that's obvious
when one thinks about it.
A lens @ max aperture f3.5 is automatically SHOWING more DOF in finder
than a 1.7! So you always SEE more right from the start!
It would be like keeping your 1.7 lens @ 3.5 and holding in the DOF
Preview all the
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> Keep an eye on the Left.
> They complain any time we go after any group that hates America.
> They were ambivalent abo
At 20:57 2004.03.22 -0500, you wrote:
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:08:35 +
From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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At 20:57 2004.03.22 -0500, you wrote:
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:23:43 +0200
From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Collin R Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: My own DOF conf
Hi!
LK> No, I won't, you arrogant little piece of shit!
LK> Not as long as you keep trolling, littering this list and
LK> pissing in decent list member's faces with your moronic American
LK> right wing preachings.
>> > > Keep an eye on the Left.
>> > > They complain any time we go after any group
gt; >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:08:35 +
> >From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >C
Thank you, Boris...
We needed a Sargent-at-Arms, before the name calling degenerates into a
free-for-all, like the Korean or Japanese [what legislative body,
council, assembly, ?] jumping over desks to get at each other...
Time for cooler heads, gents.
keith
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
LK> No
I see that Kirkland Ramsey is back, manifesting himself as a
Scandinavian twit.
Lasse, if you want to continue this to the childlike extreme that you
seem capable of, may I suggest you enter into an offensive sig file
battle, instead of just spewing your own brand of puss
Here, I even did some ho
I opened a message by Collin.
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:28 PM
Subject: OT: Active image communication
I got this slapped in my face:
"Keep an eye on the Left.
They complain any time we go after any group that hates America.
They were ambivalent about going after Al Queda & going into Afghan
- Original Message -
From: "Lasse Karlsson"
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> Who's spewing now?
> Being compared to "Kirkland Ramsey", being called a "Scandinavian
twit" as well as getting my posts characterized as "childlike
extreme&qu
Hmm... I think his post are fine; but how can I instruct my mail client to
filter out his signature?
Alex Sarbu
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Jolly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: My own DOF
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: "Lasse Karlsson"
> Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> > Who's spewing now?
> > Being compared to "Kirkland Ramsey", being called a "Scandinavian
> twit" as well as getting my p
Collin, considering you don't even know how to correctly SPELL the word
'Buddha', I have some doubts as to your ability to intelligently discuss the
topic. Enjoy the quote below
==
Brian Dipert
Sacramento, California
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Visit me at http://www.bdiper
Lasse (and, for that matter, Collin)
Your point(s) is/are made, now can we move on please?
thanks in advance
Matt
Quoting Lasse Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: "Lasse Karlsson"
> > Subject: Re:
I think I prefer reading Marx to define Marxism...
DagT
På 23. mar. 2004 kl. 16.07 skrev Collin Brendemuehl:
To say that Hitler was not a Marxist is to not have studied him.
He opposed religion in general, using Christians to oppose Jews
and then secularizing the state, having the later goal of
>
> Sven:
> Thank you for a civil response.
> Yes, the sig was provocative. Hopefully of thoughts and not just emotions.
> But insulting or offensive? Hardly.
You're wrong. But to explain how would be inappropriate for the list,
So I'll refrain. Think about it yourself, and maybe you'll under
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Congratulations, Lasse. You have just become the 4th person in my 18
> years of fooling around with my computer, and talking to people around
> the world, to be PLONKed!
Thanks, Keith.
It's an honor. Long overdue.
Wish I had been the first, though.
La
Lasse, moderate it please.
Not agreeing with someone isn't an excuse for wild insults, and I personally
don't appreciate receiving such mail.
As others have asked repeatedly, please keep your comments on this matter
outside of the mailing list.
Thanks in advance
Matt
p.s. can the others invo
I haven't followed the current dialog of diatribes, but Lasse made it to my
list shortly after 9/11. Life is too short to waste time on nonsense.
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Congratulations, Lasse. You have just become the 4th person in my 18
> years of fooling around with my com
From: "M D Giess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Lasse, moderate it please.
> Not agreeing with someone isn't an excuse for wild insults, and I personally
> don't appreciate receiving such mail.
It's not a matter of disagreement.
The man accuses me publicly for having said that the U.S. got what it deserv
That's a really cheap shot, and so far beneath you that it
makes me wonder if I've misjudged you all these years. You
know damned well that Lasse's going to respond in a similar
way, further perpetuating this nonsense. Shame on you for
pouring gasoline on the flames.
shel
graywolf wrote:
>
> Q
>
> As long as other members attacks me personally on the list, I will defend my honor
> on the list the way I see fit.
"He started it" didn't even work in the school playground.
Most people have moved on beyond that point. Learn from them.
AIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> From: "keller.schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
>
> Sven:
> Thank you for a civil response.
> DagT:
> Yes, he is a Marxist. An avid follower of Hitler & Stalin.
>
>
Lasse, I knew you'd respond with some invective and rough
language. Please, try at least to tone it down. You can
make the same point - even make it stronger - without
resorting to such language as in this post and in your reply
to another message.
How all this political garbage got strewn all
I did not intend to sent that to the list. I need to remember to change the
recipient before typing, maybe a post-it note on the monitor. I do apologize to
the list for posting it here.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
That's a really cheap shot, and so far beneath you that it
makes me wonder if I've misj
I appreciate your post, Shel.
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Lasse, I knew you'd respond with some invective and rough
> language. Please, try at least to tone it down.
I will, when personal attacks on my integrity on the list stop.
(As for the "invectives" - while I realize they
Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Cheers,
Cotty
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion
> Ok, enough of the rants and raves, why don't you kiss and make-up and then
> start taking a few snaps.
>
> Life is too short for bitching, lets get on with it.
>
> Ziggy
>
>
>
>
>
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 March 2004 23:00
To: pentax list
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion
Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Cheers,
Cotty
Ok, how about;
I apologise for this;
LONDON SIGNS
IN A LAUNDROMAT: Auto
Anything in particular, or would you prefer to bank it for future use? :)
- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion
> Being
I kinda like it! Here's my new sig line (stolen from Collin). You may whine
and call me names as you are wont to do. It will be amusing!
Slapped in the face! Ha! You're so funny with your hyperbole! No, some day
when something of real importance needs to be addressed, your exaggerations
will have
HEY!
I'm the scumbag here, and don't you forget it! Further, I have not yet
appointed a "slime bag" or "little creep" as I am currently quite able to
fill these positions as well.
Regards,
Bob...
A Democracy is three wolves and two
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Really laughing out loud and clear!
(Also, thanks to all of you for turning this ill fated thread into the best of
PDML-humour.)
Lasse
On 23/3/04, ZIGGY discumbobulated:
>>Yeah! Blimey! That's it! I'm off outa here. Think I'll go and hang out on
>>the EOS list. Bye!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm back.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>> Cotty
>
>That was quick..
That was *quiche*
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 23/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:
>Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
> Cotty
>
>Ok, how about;
>
>I apologise for this;
>
>
>LONDON SIGNS
Okay, I think we're succeeding here - hijacking a thread and blitzing it
with humour. It's the only way to put some smil
I've been awating (and expecting) you to appear in this thread, Bob.
Glad to see you. You were the missing link who now closes the circle.
No, I won't call you any names at all. Sorry about your missing out on your expected
amusement. (If you want to, you can go back in the thread and pick whateve
WHO
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> On 23/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:
>
> >We needed a Sargent-at-Arms, before the name calling degenerates into a
> >
Cotty wrote:
[...]
Must go to bed - up early to film in London tomorrow - I'm at the Saatchi
Gallery, County Hall, Belvedere Road SE1 at 9.45 am - a controversial
(painted) portrait goes on public display and we film the artist, vox pop
visitors. Then off to a student fashion show at the Old S
He's not on the list anymore but damn it I mis him.
Cotty wrote:
On 23/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:
We needed a Sargent-at-Arms, before the name calling degenerates into a
free-for-all,
I nominate Dobo
Cheers,
Cotty
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And well you should...
Cotty wrote:
Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Cheers,
Cotty
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I'm not really that good at the insults. For a real master, I suggest that
you search the archives for a fellow named Mafud...
Regards,
Bob...
A Democracy is three wolves and two sheep voting on dinner.
A Republic is three hundred wo
ngs by trying to convince people that I was right in the first
place.
Jeez, I am one sorry individual...
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
And well y
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm not really that good at the insults.
I know.
> For a real master, I suggest that
> you search the archives for a fellow named Mafud...
Don't need to search no archives. I was on the list long before he entered and think I
have a fairly big collectio
st
place.
Jeez, I am one sorry individual...
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
And well you should...
Cotty wrote:
Being British, I'd just like to apologis
an emphasis on the ;-)!!
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 11:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
I was just being agreeable, (you don't want me to start ranting, trust
me). I supp
I hear ya mate! And this is where the great Aussie saying of "no worries!"
becomes very appropriate!
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 12:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
H
lol!
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 12:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Being British also, I'
At 21:31 2004.03.23 -0500, you wrote:
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?
CRB
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(snip).
> At the moment, both you and Collin are close to hitting my auto
> delete, which is something I don't do lightly.
>
> William Robb
>
Better believe it! William and I have had wars that may have spilt blood if
we wer
Nah, they're owned by Ford now - the blame was sold as part of the
package ;-)
S
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:
At 21:31 2004.03.23 -0500, you wrote:
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?
CRB
>
> People talk about kill-filing contributors who get under their skin, but how
> many actually do it, I wonder.
>
> regards,
> Anthony Farr
In PDML I've killfiled Mafud, Gregory/The Who, and their ilk; that's about it.
- Original Message -
From: "Cotty"
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion
> Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Wow, I thought that was just us
WW
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>
> Being British also, I'd like to apologise for Cotty's apology.
Being Can
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Blakely"
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
> I'm not really that good at the insults. For a real master, I
suggest that
> you search the archives for a fellow named Mafud...
Those were the days, by gumm
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
> >
> > Being British also, I'd like to apologise for Cotty's apology.
>
> Being Canadian, I'd like to apologize for the whole damned lot
ine on something that is continually under discussion and
development. There are miles and miles of literature on these questions alone in the
libraries).
Lasse
> tia,
> tan.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 March
Good, safe answer, Anders!
Thanks for the history lesson.
keith whaley
Anders Hultman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right of
centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone please
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:34:51 +0100 (MET), you wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
>
>> This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right of
>> centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone please
>> explain to me just what these te
>In a message dated 3/24/2004 12:41:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right of
centre", "he's left", "left winged", "right winged" etc, can someone please
explain to me just what these terms mean?
>tia,
tan.
It
someone once explained to me that its not linear anymore its bettter to
visualize it like a 2d aka plane maby its 3d already but 10 years back
they thought the axises are
horizontally is the ideology and vertically the way to achive it:D
Liberals
hope its my mail reader only that messed up character spacing..
vr wrote:
Clearly written a person who has absolutely no understanding of
the social conservative movement or the
"religious right".
Presumption about my perspectives aside,
disagreement is worthy of discussion.
Insult is not necessary.
That's all I've ever asked for.
Collin
-
"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>From: "Mark Roberts"
>
>> Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>>
>> Being British also, I'd like to apologise for Cotty's apology.
>
>Being Canadian, I'd like to apologize for the whole damned lot of
>you, an
P.S. It's a push-pull situation, re left/right and progressive/conservative.
The dynamism of that seems to work, overall, in the US. I've lived long enough
now to realize that it does swing back and forth and works overall. Change
against anti-change. In the end, change usually wins, it just may
Excellent answer.
The line between is more blurred than it was 80 years ago.
We have a moderate "liberalism/socialism" in the US,
maintained since the late 19th c. This encompasses a large segment
of the population that sees the need to care for human need.
But the Left and Right both still exist
http://politicalcompass.org/
See where you stand.
Me, I'm dead-center left right and north south.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
In the old days... caution - greatly simplified...
...Left and right referred to where representatives sat (wing) in the French
Parliament. In the US (and perhaps elsewhere) it came to mean (generally):
Left - large government with greater power is necessary and desired
to solve the natio
On 23/3/04, ANNE ROBINSON discumbobulated:
>> Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>Anything in particular, or would you prefer to bank it for future use? :)
Bank please miss.
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 23/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:
>I was just being agreeable, (you don't want me to start ranting, trust
>me). I suppose I should have put a smiley
>after my post but I expected it to understood, as I expect that Cotty
>did as well.
Of course.
Just humour her, she's Australian ;
On 23/3/04, CRB discumbobulated:
>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>
>Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?
Of course. Especially as they are now run by Ford (is it?) - an even
bigger apology!
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 23/3/04, A POST TOO FARR discumbobulated:
>Better believe it! William and I have had wars that may have spilt blood if
>we weren't on opposite sides of cyberspace, yet he subsequently has replied
>to or commented on posts of mine. Clearly, if he'd binned me he would not
>have seen my posts.
>
On 24/3/04, WHEATFIELD discumbobulated:
>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
>>
>> Being British also, I'd like to apologise for Cotty's apology.
>
>Being Canadian, I'd like to apologize for the whole damned lot of
>you, and for the baggage retrieval system at Heathrow as well.
>WW
Er,
Excellent description Anders. The only thing is I think it is more of a circle
with the left and right at less than 90 degrees and the Ultra left and Ultra
right between 90 and 180 degrees. The thing the Ultras seem to have in common is
a very strong believe in authoritism (to the point of, "do
A hearty second from here..
Otis Wright
Keith Whaley wrote:
Good, safe answer, Anders!
Thanks for the history lesson.
keith whaley
Anders Hultman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm
right of
cen
I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.
Cheers,
Cotty
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If you choose otherwise, we'll have to stop calling you a mug-wump.
keith
Cotty wrote:
I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.
Cheers,
Cotty
Well, it can not be too accurate as I keep wanting a neutral response. However,
I would say the results do seem to reflect my views (2.5 left, 4 libertarian),
but maybe they come across a little too stongly. I did notice that it is set up
to show those as negative values. Well, I have been told
Hi,
Wednesday, March 24, 2004, 8:24:15 AM, Bob wrote:
> I am a Christian & right of center.
> I am continually accused of all manner of things that have nothing to do
> with me or anyone I know. It's as though someone made an elaborate
> caricature and assigned to it all sorts of ridiculous extr
I dunno, Jaguar was one of the few Marques that Ford could really
improve reliability by buying...
Cotty wrote:
On 23/3/04, CRB discumbobulated:
Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
Will you apologize for Jaguars as well?
Of course. Especially as they are now run by Ford
I don't know what it is about this but the only thought that came to my mind
was... "Picket Fence?"
Cotty wrote:
I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.
Cheers,
Cotty
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Good point - and it brings this On Topic.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:18 PM
S
Thinking? He does think... are you sure?
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
- Original Message -
From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:52
>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: My own DOF confusion
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
>
> > This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying "i'm right of
> > centre", "he&#x
"Mug-wump"?
Sounds like something from Narnia.
Collin
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:26:54 -0800
>From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>If you choose otherwise, we'll have to stop calling you a mug-wump.
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>keith
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>Cotty wrote:
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>> I used to sit on the fence, but now I'm not so sure.
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That's a fascinating way to look at the issue
and I realize that you're not alone.
A friend from France wonders why we in the US
(on both sides of the issue) worry about it.
Somewhat the same avoidance of the issue.
A few years ago I had an interesting conversation in this vein
with a lady, along
Huh?
>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:08:56 +
>From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Collin's absurd caricature of the left.
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>Cheers,
>Bob
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>Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:45:44 +
>From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>On 23/3/04, CRB discumbobulated:
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>>> >Being British, I'd just like to apologise.
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>>Will you apologize for Jaguars a
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
> Actually, that was probably poor judgement on my behalf to ask this
> question. I just hear the terms used by Americans all the time, but we
> don't use them here in Oz
You don't? That's interesting. They're very often used in European
polit
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, graywolf wrote:
> Excellent description Anders. The only thing is I think it is more of
> a circle with the left and right at less than 90 degrees and the Ultra
> left and Ultra right between 90 and 180 degrees. The thing the Ultras
> seem to have in common is a very strong be
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From: "Steve Larson"
Subject: Re: My own DOF confusion
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> http://politicalcompass.org/
>
>
> See where you stand.
> Me, I'm dead-center left right and north south.
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California
Me and Ghan
Chris Brogden wrote:
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> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, William Robb wrote:
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> > > http://politicalcompass.org/
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> > Me and Ghandi seem to be in the same company (like exactly the same)
> > :-\
> >
> > William Robb
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> I'm even more left and libertarian than Ghandi, apparently.
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> chris
and I
On 24/3/04, WILLIAM MAHATMA ROBB discumbobulated:
>> http://politicalcompass.org/
>>
>>
>> See where you stand.
>> Me, I'm dead-center left right and north south.
>> Steve Larson
>> Redondo Beach, California
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>Me and Ghandi seem to be in the same company (like exactly the same)
>:-\
>
>William
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