What happened to the good old days, before I got old, and it was just you and
me. We knew everything too.
On Nov 30, 2011, at 06:12 , Dario Bonazza wrote:
> Doug Franklin wrote:
>
>> On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>>
>>> (I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well,
>>
Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote:
(I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well,
but perhaps you'll get it)
I think you expressed it pretty darned well, Dario. And I completely
agree with what you say regarding building a "community of the
like-mi
On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:37 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Rick Womer
>> Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
>
> Image for Qritique?
I'd go with RFC, Request For Critique just because I like to confuse people by
repurposing TLAs.
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On 29/11/2011 9:12 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Hey - Ashley reads the list with me! Watch your mouth!
I'm not shooting in the studio all that much any more.
I'm thinking of the kittens.
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On 2011-11-29 1:07, Rob Studdert wrote:
A FB community page or organisation page (I co-manage one) can have a
number of admins which negates that need for handovers etc.
Nice. I've never done that (FB community/organization page) so I wasn't
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On 2011-11-29 13:18, Dario Bonazza wrote:
(I'm not sure I succeeded in expressing my thought so well,
but perhaps you'll get it)
I think you expressed it pretty darned well, Dario. And I completely
agree with what you say regarding building a "community of the like-minded".
For me, it's mo
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather
polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received
some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms o
From: "Daniel J. Matyola"
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of
Deal!
Jack
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 11/29/2011 12:41, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whate
On 11/29/2011 10:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather
polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received
some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of
images, but that hasn't been the case for
I’ve been out of the loop lately: not even able to lurk.
Larry, the brain dump is a very good start. Your "rules" actually
apply to a lot of life in general.
There are a lot of good comments in this thread. The only reason I
post photos is to get feedback from a group of people who collectively
I don't know, Ann. It seems to me that the comments have been rather
polite and non-critical of late. Six or nine months ago, I received
some detailed and pointed constructive criticisms on a number of
images, but that hasn't been the case for the last few months. As a
result, I find myself post
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
wrote:
> So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
> the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
> are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
> long as the comments are
On 11/29/2011 12:41, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the m
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of t
So, can we agree that on a PESO or GESO or PUG entry or whatever, if
the poster invites criticism, those who have an opinion of any sort
are free to express it, and to give positive or negative feedback, as
long as the comments are directed to the merits or failings of the
image, and not personal i
On Nov 25, 2011, at 18:06, William Robb wrote:
> I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph on
> it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU.
> And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it be
> a stunning landscape or a
From: Rick Womer
Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
Image for Qritique?
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On 11/29/2011 03:20, Bob W wrote:
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Did you know that every time I do a studio shoot a kitten dies?
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I think I read somewhere that you don't have to cover them in magnesium to
make them flash anymore, you can
f Of Paul
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
>
>>> Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads
>>> to
On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
>
>>> Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
>>> complete communication breakdown.
>>>
>> PAA => CCB
>
> OMG!
>
>
WTF?
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>
Bob W wrote:
>> Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
>> complete communication breakdown.
>>
>PAA => CCB
OMG!
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>
> Did you know that every time I do a studio shoot a kitten dies?
>
> --
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> William Robb
>
I think I read somewhere that you don't have to cover them in magnesium to
make them flash anymore, you can get some sort of electronic thing. Probably
not as effective, but might be worth inve
PAA => CCB
>
> Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
> complete communication breakdown.
>
> On 11/28/2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
> > (pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and I
On 27 November 2011 13:45, Doug "Lefty" Franklin wrote:
> I think it could be a good thing. However, it has the same governance
> issues as the PUG and the PDML: someone has to be "first point of contact"
> and "owner" at any point it time. And some sort of transition will be
> required when so
by the list at large.
I don't think that more acronyms or initialisms will do much more than clutter
our already busy lives.
Cheers,
frank
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From: Brian Walters
Sent: November 28, 2011 11/28/11
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: Giving and taking cr
, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for discussion and critiques.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On
I F Q ?
dangerous acronym, that Dan!
lol
ann
On 11/28/2011 21:54, Brian Walters wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM, "Daniel J. Matyola"
wrote:
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for
Hum, probably not.
On 11/28/2011 10:20 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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From: Daniel J. Matyola
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Giving and
Thus it starts. The proliferation of alphabet acronyms that leads to
complete communication breakdown.
On 11/28/2011 8:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for di
>
>> 7. I generally give only positive feedback and feel that praising the
>> positive is the best way of promoting improvement and continued
>> excellence. The photographer can learn the basics from a book and with
>> practice, so I feel no need to give instruction.
>
> Well, yes and no. Only givi
Do I want to know what IFQ stands for?
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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From: Daniel J. Matyola
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Cc:
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
I still say that we should have two types of
On 2011-11-28 21:54, Brian Walters wrote:
By all means give that a try but, I think a statement in a PESO noting
that "comments and suggestions are welcome" (or similar), should be
enough. I'm can't understand why a statement like that shouldn't be
taken at face value.
I agree, but with a cav
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:21 PM, William Robb
wrote:
> On 28/11/2011 12:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>
>
>> 7. I generally give only positive feedback and feel that praising the
>> positive is the best way of promoting improvement and continued
>> excellence. The photographer can learn the basics from a b
On Monday, November 28, 2011 8:18 PM, "Daniel J. Matyola"
wrote:
> I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
> (pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
> submitted for discussion and critiques.
>
By all means give that a try but, I think a statement i
I still say that we should have two types of submissions: PESOs
(pictures posted for enjoyment and sharing) and IFQ: Images
submitted for discussion and critiques.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:21 PM, William Robb
wrote:
> On 28/11/20
On 28/11/2011 2:04 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Stop being agreeable, but then I guess you can't help it, you're Canadian.
I'll try to make up for Frank's agree-ability.
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On 28/11/2011 12:21 PM, Tom C wrote:
7. I generally give only positive feedback and feel that praising the
positive is the best way of promoting improvement and continued
excellence. The photographer can learn the basics from a book and with
practice, so I feel no need to give instruction.
On 11/28/2011 3:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:33 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
We're a very polite people (with the exception of Bill Robb).
;-)
(just kidding, Bill)
He's not a person?
I don't know, you should ask his wife.
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:33 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> We're a very polite people (with the exception of Bill Robb).
>
> ;-)
>
> (just kidding, Bill)
He's not a person?
>
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We're a very polite people (with the exception of Bill Robb).
;-)
(just kidding, Bill)
cheers,
frank
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From: "P. J. Alling"
Sent: November 28, 2011 11/28/11
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
Stop be
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
Well put, Tom..
Nice summing up of the whole bit
ann
On 11/28/2011 13:21, Tom C wrote:
Been out and about at Bryce and Zion National Parks over the weekend.
I may have one or two shots to display. :-)
Here's my thoughts on this semi-annual topic
I agree with Ann.
Cheers,
frank
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From: Ann Sanfedele
Sent: November 28, 2011 11/28/11
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
Well put, Tom..
Nice summing up of the whole bit
ann
On 11/28/2011 13:21, Tom C wrote:
> Been
Well put, Tom..
Nice summing up of the whole bit
ann
On 11/28/2011 13:21, Tom C wrote:
Been out and about at Bryce and Zion National Parks over the weekend.
I may have one or two shots to display. :-)
Here's my thoughts on this semi-annual topic:
1. If a person posts a picture they're invitin
Been out and about at Bryce and Zion National Parks over the weekend.
I may have one or two shots to display. :-)
Here's my thoughts on this semi-annual topic:
1. If a person posts a picture they're inviting a response. Usually
they're expecting a positive response I believe, otherwise they likel
I presume you mean re Facebook, not expatritism to Canada :-)
ann
On 11/27/2011 13:43, Jack Davis wrote:
I'd as soon experience bedbug infestation.
Jack
From: Ann Sanfedele
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:37 PM, "Mark Roberts"
wrote:
> mike wilson wrote:
>
> >On 27/11/2011 03:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
> >> That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
> >
> >As I understand it PUG is for list members, actively contributing or
> >not. Wh
mike wilson wrote:
>On 27/11/2011 03:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
>
>As I understand it PUG is for list members, actively contributing or
>not. Why would we want to promote it?
The idea would be to promote The List. More
From: Christine Aguila
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Christine Aguila wrote:
I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
a PU
On 27/11/2011 03:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
As I understand it PUG is for list members, actively contributing or
not. Why would we want to promote it?
On Nov 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Christine Agui
I'd as soon experience bedbug infestation.
Jack
From: Ann Sanfedele
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
On 2011-11-26 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
Well, I suppose it's a matter of available time.
For me, it's hugely a matter of available time. As Paul mentioned, if I
tried to comment on every posted photo or gallery, I'd never have time
for anything else. And a constructive "near miss" messag
On 2011-11-25 19:15, Tim Bray wrote:
I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. If I think a PESO is
worthless, I say nothing. If I think it’s great, I’ll say so and if I
can, add a word or two about why. If i think a picture is worthwhile
and could be improved by cropping or color adjustmen
I am far from a FaceBook fan, but I think a page for the PDML is a
great idea, if someone is willing and able to set it up and maintain
it.
If we attract a few idiots who are not our type of idiots, a few days
on the list will drive those folk away. We are a unique and
idiosyncratic bunch, and th
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:29:20 -0500
Mark Roberts wrote:
> As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
> a PUG Facebook page. Might even attract some people to The List.
I am cheating here having read some dissent then coming back to this
point.
Promoting the PUG could
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:17:49 -0500
"P. J. Alling" wrote:
> I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
> uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe
> to the PDML and post to the PUG.
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:06:50 -0600
William Robb wrote:
> Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no
> one likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring,
> poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject.
sad true and entirely useless to all concerned.
on t
On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
>
> On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>> In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
>>> sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation
On 11/27/2011 10:58, David J Brooks wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without having to
disenfranchise the anti-facebook population on t
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it and
> sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without having to
> disenfranchise the anti-facebook population on the list, eh?
When did you become Canadian
In terms of exposure (no pun) for the PUG a bunch of us just liking it
and sharing the link it would possibly increase visitation without
having to disenfranchise the anti-facebook population on the list, eh?
ann
On 11/27/2011 07:12, Mark Roberts wrote:
"P. J. Alling" wrote:
I'm not sure I
"P. J. Alling" wrote:
>I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
>uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to
>the PDML and post to the PUG.
Well the useful thing about Fcebook is that people who "like" the PUG
wouldn't automatically be el
On 11/26/2011 22:17, P. J. Alling wrote:
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to
the PDML and post to the PUG.
Me too, Pete
ann
On 11/26/2011 9:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an int
Point taken! :-). Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 9:17 PM, "P. J. Alling" wrote:
> I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot uses
> facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to the PDML
> and post to the PUG.
>
> On 11/26/2011 9:34 PM
I'm not sure I'd be in favor of that, just about every kind of idiot
uses facebook, whereas it takes a special kind of idiot to subscribe to
the PDML and post to the PUG.
On 11/26/2011 9:34 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
O
On 2011-11-26 21:34, Christine Aguila wrote:
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
a PUG Facebook page. Might even attract some people to The List.
I think it could be a good thing. Howe
That's an interesting idea. What do folks think? Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Christine Aguila wrote:
>
>> I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
>
> As far as promoting the PUG goes, it would be quick and easy to set up
> a PUG Facebook p
Christine Aguila wrote:
>I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
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On 11/26/2011 19:38, Paul Stenquist wrote:
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
I value the PUG, Brian!Cheers, Christine
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:31 PM, "Brian Walters" wrote:
> On Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:19 PM, "Ann Sanfedele"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
>>> snip...
>>>
>>> I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect mos
On Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:19 PM, "Ann Sanfedele"
wrote:
>
>
> On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
> >snip...
> >
> > I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
> > galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
> > comments the
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
>
> On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
>> snip...
>>
>> I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
>> galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
>> comments the monthly PUG re
On 11/26/2011 19:00, Brian Walters wrote:
snip...
I have no evidence to back it up but I suspect most people here look at
galleries in the way I suggested. You've only got to look at how few
comments the monthly PUG receives. Sometimes I wonder if anyone, other
than the contributors, loo
On Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM, "Tim Bray"
wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Brian Walters
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I regard GESOs as being posted for enjoyment, not critical comment.
> > I'll usually nominate a couple of favourites but nothing much more.
>
> Interesting; that appro
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> Yes, I regard GESOs as being posted for enjoyment, not critical comment.
> I'll usually nominate a couple of favourites but nothing much more.
Interesting; that approach had never crossed my mind. A
thematically-linked album of photos fee
ns-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist"
> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
>
>
> > After reading Ann's comment, i have to add
y.com/kennethwaller
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From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
After reading Ann's comment, i have to add the same qualifier to my
previous comment. I can't possibly comment on every photo -- I'd never get
any wo
on 2011-11-26 07:03 Daniel J. Matyola wrote
I also agree that there is no criticism harsher than getting no
comments at all on a PESO. To me that means not only that no one
liked it, but also that no one thought there was any hope of fixing it
or improving on it. I would much rather hear "That
I have. =]
Jack
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Cc:
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
>>
>
> I'm sorry.
>
> (I'm Briti
On Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:23 PM, "John Sessoms"
wrote:
> From: David Parsons
>
> > An idea was floated last year that if you wanted, or were okay with
> > critique to use a different tag than PESO. Nothing ever came of it,
> > but it's always an option for people who just want to share, a
On Nov 26, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
>>
>
> I'm sorry.
>
> (I'm British).
>
I've never held that against you! :-) Cheers, Christine
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From: David Parsons
An idea was floated last year that if you wanted, or were okay with
critique to use a different tag than PESO. Nothing ever came of it,
but it's always an option for people who just want to share, and those
who want active feedback.
Someone on list has a sig that says some
On 26/11/11, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken.
I'm sorry.
(I'm British).
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I also agree that there is no criticism harsher than getting no
> comments at all on a PESO. To me that means not only that no one
> liked it, but also that no one thought there was any hope of fixing it
> or improving on it. I would m
On 11/25/2011 7:06 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and
take criticism. And a related discussion
of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion.
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That's because we don
jump to an indignant defense
>> of an image by means of demeaning comments directed at the critique's author.
>>
>> Jack
>> .
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Paul Stenquist
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Cc:
>
On Nov 25, 2011, at 7:06 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one likes
> to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a
> banal and cliched subject.
>
I can agree that no one likes to hear such a message
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I have to say, I'm with Ann when she says:
> But I hope noone ever reads the _lack_ of any comment at all by me
> (or, for that matter, lots of others of us) as an automatic thumbs down -
> the randomness with which I read the list and look
On Nov 26, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> When no one comments on a photo I've posted, I count that as a statement in
>> itself: BORING!
Same here. When I get no comments on stuff I've posted, I think the same thing.
Cheers, Christine
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o jump to an indignant defense of
an image by means of demeaning comments directed at the critique's author.
Jack
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Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
On Nov 26, 2011,
ate for a third party to jump to an indignant defense of
an image by means of demeaning comments directed at the critique's author.
Jack
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> It's important to note that the "regular member" didn't just critique the
> photo. He told the photographer that he should be ashamed at having posted
> such inferior work and generally directed his comments at the person rather
> than th
I to enjoy praises and knock downs of my photos, i use this
information on any re shoots and future endeavors.
As far as being able to take and handle criticism and reject,. i think
people of my generation were taught how to fail, that it was not the
end of the world. I think a lot of younger peopl
I miss the days when I got scathing comments on my PESOs. They were
always helpful, or at least thought provoking, even when the comments
were a little hurtful. I'm a big boy, and I can take criticism. I
made it though Marine boot camp, where I was insulted by
professionals. I realize that I a
athing and personal critique was given. That must be
>> nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent moratorium
>> on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
gt; nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent moratorium
> on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-rya
roduce.
>
> Hell, they're only images.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "William Robb"
>
>
> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
>
>
>> On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrot
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: William Robb
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism
>
> On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry C
Larry,
Let me share what we have done in the local Pentax group here in the
Philippines, I get to be asked to critique photos ever so often and
Filipinos are the worst in either giving or receiving critique (okay,
someone out there might think their culture are worse...). One thing
that I have do
subject is lacking, or
> vice versa, I'd like to know that, too.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: William Robb
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> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re
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