Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Walt Gilbert
. . . and give me your thoughts. Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything else that I can) to finance it. But, you want to mak

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Bruce Walker
"OT"? What could possibly be more *on-topic* than questions about Pentax photo equipment? :-) Why take the K100D Super when you've got a K20 and K-x along? It'll just add weight. Have you not got a DA 18-55 kit lens? I'd use that for wide landscapes myself. It's a darned sharp lens. And small and

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Walt, Reduce your body count by 1. Get rid of the Promaster zoom. For general purpose shooting, the stock 18-55 will do fine. Then spend the extra money on 2 lenses: A50/2.8 macro & DA35/2.4 come to mind first. Unless you want sky-scapes, any very wide lens will be disappointing, imnsho. Perhaps

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Walt Gilbert
Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make the cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd be K-mounts, I guess I was just being a little extra cautious. I wanted to carry three bodies just to make sure I have a fairly long zoom for wildlife, one o

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks, Collin! I explained to Bruce why I'm planning to take three bodies -- to me, it's mostly a matter of not minding the encumbrance compared to having a camera readily available at a moment's notice. Also, I really can't get rid of the Promaster as I would likely get next-to-nothing for i

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread jn289
Walt, The 16-45 Pentax lens is not bad and could gotten pretty cheap. If you could find a 18mm Pentax lens cheap, you might like it. On the more money front there is a Simga 18 to 50 F2,8 Macro which is nice and then there is the Simga 10mm to 20mm F3.5 which is also nice. I have them all and l

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thank you, Joe. I'm making a list and checking prices and availability. So far, I've found an SMC-M 28/2.8 for $45 at KEH. Don't know much about the lens, but assume it's got to be better than the Takumar I have. -- Walt On 8/20/2012 6:27 PM, jn289 wrote: Walt, The 16-45 Pentax lens is not b

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread jn289
Walt, but that puts you near a 50 mm and I think you would want something wider. See if you can find the 16-45 lens..Joe Thank you, Joe. I'm making a list and checking prices and availability. So far, I've found an SMC-M 28/2.8 for $45 at KEH. Don't know much about the lens, but assume it'

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Walt Gilbert
I did find a 16-45, but they were asking over $300 for it. I'd have to get really lucky (and smart) over the next month to be able to get that one. I bet it is a really nice lens, though. -- Walt On 8/20/2012 6:48 PM, jn289 wrote: Walt, but that puts you near a 50 mm and I think you would want

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Also, check out the excellent A35-105. Quite sharp though heavy as it is solidly constructed. Often about $125. The A200/4 would be a great long lens that is very compact. In the $150 neighborhood, iirc. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks again, Collin! I /may/ be able to pull off the A35-105 -- which sounds nice. I like some heft to my gear. The desire for featherweight bodies and lenses has always been a bit lost on me. Although, I do have the F35-135 that I hadn't considered. It's a pretty sharp lens that just might

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-20 16:56 Walt Gilbert wrote [...] and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the others. What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? Al

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
A K28 3.5. Really sharp. They can be had at KEH for a reasonable price. MF, but no big deal for landscapes. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2012-08-20 16:56 Walt Gilbert wrote >> >> [...] and >> >> I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a Takumar 28/

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: > As things stand, I'll likely opt for the DA 18-55 kit lens for the wider > shots. I'm just not crazy about the f/3.5 max aperture. I'd like something a > little faster, even if it means giving up auto-focus, metering and aperture > controls -

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread Peter Loveday
1, 2012 8:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . . . . . and give me your thoughts. Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite literal

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread lrc
Borrow something. Walt Gilbert wrote: >. . . and give me your thoughts. > >Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a > >little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite >literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything >else

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-20 Thread kwaller
llery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Walt Gilbert" Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . . Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make the cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: > What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest > buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length > and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm concerned. > I'm essen

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high image > quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama. > > Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical > orientation and whe

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Walt, I have some lenses that I am willing to loan out. Tamron 300/5.6. M100/4 macro M28/2.8 (second edition, same as the "A" but w/o the "A" setting) Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread George Sinos
trip? > > I'd offer, but i think going via Australia is probably a bit more of a > detour than you'd want to take... > > - Peter > > > -Original Message- From: Walt Gilbert > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:26 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subje

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> > >> It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high >> image quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama. >> >> Put the 50mm prime on your cam

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Toine
Maybe the old Tokina RMC 17mm f/3.5. If you can find one it should be very cheap. I would prefer the DA18-55 II for the best price/performance. Toine On 21 August 2012 00:56, Walt Gilbert wrote: > . . . and give me your thoughts. > > Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Da

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
a 28-80 3.5-4.5 F & a 70-210 4 - 5.6 F. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Walt Gilbert" Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . . Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/21/2012 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/20/2012 8:19 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2012-08-20 16:56 Walt Gilbert wrote [...] and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the others. What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for th

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks, Toine! I'll look into that one and see if I can find a nice deal. I really would like to have a decent short prime -- one that's better than my Tak 28/2.8. But, if I can't come up with one, I suppose my 18-55 will be fine. -- Walt On 8/21/2012 9:34 AM, Toine wrote: Maybe the old Tok

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thank you, Collin! I may very well take you up on one or more of those and will happily pay the shipping when the time comes and I still haven't come up with anything. I very much appreciate the offer! -- Walt On 8/21/2012 8:29 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Walt, I have some lenses that I a

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
I have to admit that it is a little hard to put oneself in your shoes because your objectives seem at odds with each other. You started off saying you wanted wide (for landscapes) and then say that f3.5 is too slow for you. Few landscapes are shot wide open, and most wide lenses are going to be slo

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
That's most likely what'll happen. I was just hoping there might be a glut of some great short lens out there that "everyone" has in their kit just because they're so great and readily available. -- Walt On 8/20/2012 10:39 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: Borrow something. Walt Gilbert wrote:

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
- From: Walt Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . . . . . and give me your thoughts. Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a little over a month and have an ext

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/21/2012 11:01 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I have to admit that it is a little hard to put oneself in your shoes because your objectives seem at odds with each other. You started off saying you wanted wide (for landscapes) and then say that f3.5 is too slow for you. Few landscapes are shot wide op

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: Walt Gilbert Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make the cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd be K-mounts, I guess I was just being a little extra cautious. I wanted to carry three bodies just to make sure I have a fairly long zoom f

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/21/2012 9:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Walt Gilbert Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make the cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd be K-mounts, I guess I was just being a little extra cautious. I wanted to carry three bodies ju

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
our than you'd want to take... - Peter -Original Message- From: Walt Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:26 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . . . . . and give me your thoughts. Say you're going to be leaving for

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thanks for the heads-up, Steven! I've got a little time to do a little more saving-up. If I can manage to save enough dough, I'll definitely put that in the "possibilities" pile. -- Walt On 8/20/2012 8:49 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: A K28 3.5. Really sharp. They can be had at KEH for a re

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-21 9:39 Walt Gilbert wrote I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may well give it a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano stitching software you recommend? i've used Hugin & Photoshop; Hugin gives you a lot of control, and is free, but

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: Walt Gilbert On 8/21/2012 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length and IQ -- everything else is

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/21/2012 2:05 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2012-08-21 9:39 Walt Gilbert wrote I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may well give it a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano stitching software you recommend? i've used Hugin & Photoshop; Hugin

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 8/21/2012 2:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Walt Gilbert On 8/21/2012 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread lrc
loan of >a >> lens for the trip? >> >> I'd offer, but i think going via Australia is probably a bit more of >a >> detour than you'd want to take... >> >> - Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message- From: Walt Gilbert >> Se

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread steve harley
on 2012-08-21 7:54 Larry Colen wrote I didn't say that it was the best way, I just said that it was the cheapest way. actually, the cheapest way is to stitch hand-held shots; it works pretty well if you practice a little; pano software can compensate for a lot; i've only done a few of these,

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread kwaller
If shooting RAW, set all captures to the same RAW setting - anyone but auto. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "steve harley" Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . . on 2012-08-21 7:54 L

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread David Parsons
It's very easy to do handheld panorama shots if you are doing landscapes where there isn't something close to you that will shift with parallax. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> > >> It seems to me that the least expens

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Mark Roberts
David Parsons wrote: >It's very easy to do handheld panorama shots if you are doing >landscapes where there isn't something close to you that will shift >with parallax. Another good trick is, if there are any objects close you that might cause parallax problems, compose panoramas that put these o

Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Boris Liberman
Walt, you can have SMCP DA 16-45/4 for like USD 250. It shows every now and then on PentaxForums market place. My encounter with this lens back in 2008 has convinced me that it was quite an excellent optic. With 16 mm at wide end you will get FOV similar to that of 24 mm lens on film which is p