OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
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Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-18 Thread Alan C
as fake biographies, why aren't they all the same? Alan C -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:05 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Solidarité! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdm

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Bob W-PDML
B > > Alan C > > -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:05 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT: Solidarité! > > B > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Alan C
List Subject: Re: Solidarité! On 19 Nov 2015, at 05:41, Alan C wrote: "No. I view them as having deliberately constructed a fake biography that fulfils the scriptures in order to make other people think that Jesus was the messiah." You should perhaps read "Cold Case Chr

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread knarf
here are plenty of non-Biblical writings of the times to >corroborate the Gospels. > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: Bob W-PDML >Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:23 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Solidarité! > >On 19 Nov 2015, at

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Collin B
>Simply because the four biographers were not always in simultaneous >attendance. > >Besides, there are plenty of non-Biblical writings of the times to >corroborate the Gospels. > >Alan C Let's not overstate our case. Knarf caught that. There are not many extra-biblical "writings" available. J

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Alan C
Also Tacitus, Pliny, Lucian & the Babylonian Talmud. In the end it boils down to faith. Alan C -Original Message- From: Collin B Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 5:03 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Solidarité! Simply because the four biographers were not always in simultan

RE: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Collin B > > >Simply because the four biographers were not always in simultaneous > >attendance. > > > >Besides, there are plenty of non-Biblical writings of the times to > >corroborate the Gospels. > > > >Alan C

RE: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Collin B
>Since you mention abductive reasoning, apparently without understanding what >it is, the simplest explanation for the apparent fit between the Gospels' >account and the OT scriptures is the one I have given, by essentially the >same reasoning that Hume gives for rejecting belief in miracles. > >B

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Bob W-PDML
Fuck me, Collin, you really are the master when it comes to talking bollocks. B On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:14, Collin B wrote: >> Since you mention abductive reasoning, apparently without understanding > what >> it is, the simplest explanation for the apparent fit between the Gospels' >> account and

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2015-11-19 Thread Collin B
>F*** me, Collin, you really are the master when it comes to talking bollocks. > >B I know I've not said anything inaccurate or false. Was hoping for good conversation and maybe learn something. It started out that way. Alas. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mail

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2015-11-19 Thread Bob W-PDML
Very well, I'll reply to your previous nonsense and you're welcome to reply to whatever nonsense I write, and after that I surrender. B On 19 Nov 2015, at 20:00, Collin B wrote: >> F*** me, Collin, you really are the master when it comes to talking > bollocks. >> >> B > > I know I've not sai

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Collin B
>Very well, I'll reply to your previous nonsense and you're welcome to reply to whatever nonsense I write, and after that I surrender. > >B No. Either good conversation or I, going back to what I posted much earlier, acknowledge that it was my mistaking what I thought the conversation might becom

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 19 Nov 2015, at 19:14, Collin B wrote: >> Since you mention abductive reasoning, apparently without understanding > what >> it is, the simplest explanation for the apparent fit between the Gospels' >> account and the OT scriptures is the one I have given, by essentially the >> same reasoning t

Re: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Collin B
>No, of course I haven't read it. That entire paragraph is nonsense and nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand. It's just chaff thrown out to try and distract, and to feed your ego. If you've read the book I doubt that you've understood anything in it at all. I mentioned it because it wa

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread Steve Cottrell
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2015-11-14 Thread Bob W-PDML
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34822281 > On 14 Nov 2015, at 15:02, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/france/fr_1x._V288659243_.png > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pd

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread knarf
Innocent civilians are dead; I grieve for them, their families and their friends. The people of Paris and France are living under the threat of violence and terror right now. My heart goes out to them. Regards, frank On November 14, 2015 10:01:18 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: >http://

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread ann sanfedele
Yes ... I wanted to post Edith Piaf singing "the Last time I saw Paris" but tech difficulties ensued. did the facebook flag colors ... Thanks Bob, Rick, Dan for photographic statements.. How simply awful it all is ann On 11/14/2015 1:03 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread Brian Walters
Mike Johnston's piece today is quite simple and eloquent, I thought: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2015/11/to-our-friends.html Brian On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, at 02:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/france/fr_1x.

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Indeed. I think of this with the same feelings of sadness, outrage, and horror that comes to mind when I hear of trouble in and near Tel Aviv, worrying for Boris and his family. Can we not stop these atrocities? A century of senseless violence and horror behind us... Is there another one to

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread ann sanfedele
Yes , indeed so! ann On 11/14/2015 4:36 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Mike Johnston's piece today is quite simple and eloquent, I thought: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2015/11/to-our-friends.html Brian On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, at 02:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-14 Thread Bob W-PDML
You could try this one instead: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=baje6sbpEXs B > On 14 Nov 2015, at 21:01, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Yes ... I wanted to post Edith Piaf singing "the Last time I saw Paris" but > tech difficulties ensued. > did the facebook flag colors ... > > Thanks Bob, Rick, D

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2015-11-15 Thread knarf
I've typed and re-typed several responses to this, Godfrey. I think I'll send this one, regarding your question about whether this violence will ever stop. These sorts of horrific events cause a lot of soul - searching and looking for answers. Unfortunately, in these modern times, these contempl

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread ann sanfedele
Eloquently put... I suspect Godder's "question" was rhetorical, but you knew that ann On 11/15/2015 10:08 AM, knarf wrote: I've typed and re-typed several responses to this, Godfrey. I think I'll send this one, regarding your question about whether this violence will ever stop. These sorts o

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I agree that the world is less violent than it has ever been. I also agree that the US and allies were mistaken in their zeal to remove the oppressive dictators who at least controlled the fringe elements of their world. Fringe elements that have thrived and grown powerful in an environment that

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread knarf
ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken seriously. It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle East and possibly North Africa. That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several m

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
The goals of the Islamic State are real and historical. Even the NY Times recognizes that. It has nothing to do With "right wing" interpretations. Liberal whine doesn't apply here. But I'm in mourning, not going to continue with this. Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 1:02 PM, knarf wrote:

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2015-11-15 Thread knarf
Right. New York times. Like I said, right-wing media outlets... Cheers, frank (running, ducking, hiding) PS: In all seriousness, take care of yourself, Paul. I'll back out of this conversation now as well. You've got enough burden on your shoulders at this difficult time... On November 15, 2

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Indeed: rhetorical. But thanks for the attempt at a response. G > On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:54 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Eloquently put... I suspect Godder's "question" was rhetorical, but you knew > that -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pd

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread knarf
Of course I knew it was rhetorical. :-) I was just gushing to the list in general, out of frustration and a need to vent. It feels that this sort of thing has been going on for my whole life - almost 6 decades now. One wonders if it's ever going to stop. And one tries to cope with the realiza

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread John
On 11/14/2015 10:01 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/gateway/france/fr_1x._V288659243_.png Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola I can't speak French worth a damn, but I can whistle the first couple of bars of La Marseillaise. Fra

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM On 11/14/2015 7:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: You could try this one instead: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=baje6sbpEXs B On 14 Nov 2015, at 21:01, ann sanfedele wrote: Yes ... I wanted to post Edith Piaf singing "the Last time I saw Paris" but tech

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread John
Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of its maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries. That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine, Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the Balkans to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread knarf
Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post WWII. He wanted to def

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank. Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf wrote: > > Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a > "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the > ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensrau

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread knarf
Yes, that's exactly what I said Paul. Good argument, BTW. LOL! Cheers, frank On November 15, 2015 8:00:31 PM EST, Paul Stenquist wrote: >Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank. > >Paul via phone > >> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf wrote: >> >> Germany was not intent on

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize Hitler's goals. That's laughable. Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:07 PM, knarf wrote: > > Yes, that's exactly what I said Paul. > > Good argument, BTW. > > LOL! > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On November 15, 2015

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2015-11-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: >Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize >Hitler's goals. That's laughable. ??? He wasn't rationalizing Hitler's goals! He was *describing* them. Quite accurately, too. Check out Ian Kershaw's superb biography of Hitler. It's a big two volumes

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2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've read them. Just a notch below holocaust deniers. More rationalizing. ISIS is okay. We're okay, they're okay. Let's all hug. > On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize >> Hi

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2015-11-15 Thread knarf
Wow, Mark! I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who knew it was actually accurate? Cheers, frank On November 15, 2015 8:42:04 PM EST, Mark Roberts wrote: >Paul Stenquist wrote: > >>Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize >Hitler's goals. That's la

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: > I've read them. Just a notch below holocaust deniers. More rationalizing. >ISIS is okay. We're okay, they're okay. Let's all hug. OK. This is getting weird. None of those are even close to being holocaust denial (particularly in the case of Lukacs, who barely escaped

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Mark Roberts
knarf wrote: >Wow, Mark! I was totally making that shit up as I went along. Who knew it was >actually accurate? ;-) By the way, there *is* disagreement among historians about whether the goal of Hitler's invasion of Russia was the destruction of the communist Soviet Union itself or to convince

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that bad. I agree, it was weird. Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > knarf wrote: > >> Wow, Mark! I was totally

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: >The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust >denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that >bad. Sorry, I didn't detect any of that in Frank's post. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.c

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2015-11-15 Thread knarf
When I was a kid, I wondered: if Japan wanted to take over the world, and Germany wanted to take over the world, what would have happened if the Axis powers actually won WWII? They'd be standing staring at each other, prolly in Russia or in the middle of the Pacific or something, all like, "Wha

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread knarf
Hmmm... I think I'll just let my posts speak for themselves, rather than argue that point with you, Paul. I don't think anything that I said suggested Hitler as "not really all that bad." In case it needs clarification: Hitler was one of the most evil individuals that the world has yet produce

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Then we'll leave it at that. I found it disturbing, but this has not been a good week for me. Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust >> denial here, but Frank's

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thank you. That works for me. Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:34 PM, knarf wrote: > > Hmmm... > > I think I'll just let my posts speak for themselves, rather than argue that > point with you, Paul. I don't think anything that I said suggested Hitler as > "not really all that bad." >

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2015-11-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. *reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-) thanks for playing, G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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2015-11-15 Thread knarf
They started it. Okay, I ~may~ have actually said the word "Hitler" first but they made me do it. LOL! Okay, I won't say it again. Hitler. Oh damn. Last time, I promise! I like your rule, Godfrey. I'm out of this discussion. Thanks for moderating. :-) Cheers, frank On November 15, 201

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2015-11-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
:-) Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. > > *reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a > friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-) > > thanks for playing, > G

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. > >*reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a >friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-) > >thanks for playing, Are you really Godfrey or... Godwin! -- Mark Roberts - Photog

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread Ken Waller
Let's all hug. Can't we all just get along ? Where's the sarcasm symbol? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: OT: Solidarité! I've read them. Just a notch

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2015-11-15 Thread Bill
On 11/15/2015 8:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: The tone is what disturbs me. I realize that there's no literal holocaust denial here, but Frank's post suggested that Hittler wasn't really all that bad. Sorry, I didn't detect any of that in Frank's post. Mark and Frank.

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2015-11-15 Thread Darren Addy
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. > > *reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in a > friendly political discussion, the discussion is over. ;-) I believe you are referring to Godwin's Law. https://

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2015-11-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Godwin's Law is what motivated The Hitler Rule. ;-) G > On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi > wrote: >> Okay everyone. I declare the Hitler Rule. >> >> *reminder* ... The Hitler Rule says that as soon as Hitler is mentioned in

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-15 Thread paul stenquist
Bill, We’re not all provincial down here, believe it or not. I’ve read Bryant, Roberts and other British historians. My views are not a product of American jingoism, but neither are they apologist. Paul > On Nov 15, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Bill wrote: > > On 11/15/2015 8:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

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2015-11-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Bill wrote: > Mark and Frank. You are talking to Americans about a subject they mostly > know about from history books written by Americans and for American > consumption. > To be kind, their views are somewhat propagandized. We have mostly been "propagandized" b

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2015-11-16 Thread Collin B
We don't bat an eyelash often because we (many of us) do now know what is going on around the world. It's hard to when the news-tainment industry filters for its narrative. International news sources are not all that common. Few have taken note of the other ISIS and Al Shabbab actions at the same

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2015-11-16 Thread Collin B
> Are you really Godfrey My Man! (Hoping someone gets it) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

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2015-11-16 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 16 Nov 2015, at 14:44, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Bill wrote: >> Mark and Frank. You are talking to Americans about a subject they mostly >> know about from history books written by Americans and for American >> consumption. >> To be kind, their views are

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2015-11-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Collin B wrote: > Commumism was never containable Communism WAS contained. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

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2015-11-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Collin B wrote: >> Commumism was never containable > >Communism WAS contained. I don't know if it was contained so much as left to implode by itself. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax

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2015-11-16 Thread Bill
On 11/16/2015 8:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Bill wrote: Mark and Frank. You are talking to Americans about a subject they mostly know about from history books written by Americans and for American consumption. To be kind, their views are somewhat propagandi

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-16 Thread Bill
On 11/16/2015 4:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Collin B wrote: Commumism was never containable Communism WAS contained. Actually, Russia was contained, Communism, not so much Any batshit crazy right winger will tell you, every country but the USA is comm

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2015-11-16 Thread knarf
There has never been a communist state. After the Revolution the USSR may have been moving that way but never got there. However close they may (or may not have) come, they were completely derailed by Stalin. The USSR and every other so-called communist state were actually State-Capitalists. T

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2015-11-17 Thread P.J. Alling
You should really read "Meine Kamph". The invasion of Russia was "planned" before Hitler's crew took the German State. Historians who don't read primary sources where the author lays out his agenda are pretty much Idiots. It is a bit like reading Das Kapital, (dense because it's full of Rica

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:24 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > You should really read "Meine Kamph". If you mean Mein Kampf, I read it in college, and well as Zweites Buch. "Churchill tried to warn Stalin of Hitler's duplicity, but Stalin didn't believe him." I'm not sure that is entirely true. Stalin

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:24 PM, P.J. Alling > wrote: >> You should really read "Meine Kamph". > >If you mean Mein Kampf, I read it in college, and well as Zweites Buch. By the way: I've read (in Ian Kershaw's splendid Hitler biography) that it's important to try to rea

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2015-11-17 Thread P.J. Alling
Ignoring the Japanese, and their wish for an expanded empire, in that invasion, is well, foolish. I'm pretty sure that the American component in that had more to do with keeping an eye on the Japanese, who even then threatened western and by extension US trade concessions, (need I say in China

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2015-11-17 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 17 Nov 2015, at 17:54, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:24 PM, P.J. Alling >> wrote: >>> You should really read "Meine Kamph". >> >> If you mean Mein Kampf, I read it in college, and well as Zweites Buch. > > By the way: I've read (in Ian Ker

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2015-11-17 Thread P.J. Alling
There's never been a Santa Claus state for the same reason. The trappings of a Communist state can however be used to keep an Elite in power, until the contradictions become to great for even those benefiting to ignore. Don't feel bad, Capitalism doesn't actually exist either, Marx invented i

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2015-11-17 Thread Collin B
>On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Collin B wrote: >> Commumism was never containable > >Communism WAS contained. > >Dan Matyola Not exactly. It spread from China to N. Korea. It spread through VietNam. It is maintained in Cuba. The Shining Path remains at large. Of course, one might say that

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2015-11-17 Thread Collin B
>That's the way the Bible works too. > >B How so? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

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2015-11-17 Thread knarf
I don't wish to argue with you (I've already stated that there is nothing near a communist state currently in existence, nor has there ever been). We aren't going to see eye to eye - ever - so what's the use? But, Obama? Marxist? >From Wikipedia: "Marx hypothesized that socialism would eventual

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Collin B
>There has never been a communist state. After the Revolution the USSR may have been moving that way but never got there. However close they may (or may not have) come, >they were completely derailed by Stalin. > >The USSR and every other so-called communist state were actually State-Capitalists.

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2015-11-17 Thread Collin B
>Pentaxians unite, you have nothing to lose but your, your... well, I can't think of a humorous rhyme with "chains". :-) > >Cheers, > >frank the lefty That would work in the days when cameras had those nice stainless steel round chains. So much class back then. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail Li

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2015-11-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > England suppressed the slave trade Only after they firmly established slavery in their American colonies, leaving the US with that enormous problem that caused the bloodiest war of all time. As usual, after they created the problem, they ass

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Collin B wrote: > It spread from China to N. Korea. It spread through VietNam. > It is maintained in Cuba While Soviet style authoritarianism and elitism spread to those countries, I'm not sure that communism in the Leninist fashion lasted very long. China today

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2015-11-17 Thread P.J. Alling
I don't know what weed you're smoking but slavery, prior to England suppressing it was ubiquitous, in human society, everything from indentured servitude, to chattel slavery, since the stone age. The feudal system was, a form of slavery, with the slaves being tied to the land. The word Slave

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:55 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > I don't know what weed you're smoking but slavery, prior to England > suppressing it was ubiquitous, in human society I don't smoke. Slavery may have been "ubiquitous," but it was Britain that brought it to North America, for the profit of Br

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread P.J. Alling
On 11/17/2015 5:03 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:55 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I don't know what weed you're smoking but slavery, prior to England suppressing it was ubiquitous, in human society I don't smoke. Slavery may have been "ubiquitous," but it was Britain that br

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread knarf
"They called themselves Communists." The former East Germany called themselves the German Democratic Republic. What's in a name? "Lenin was the orthodox Marxist." At the risk of oversimplification, Lenin was about the Party, and centralizing power. I suspect he may have considered that a neces

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Darren Addy
A thread like this is the conversational equivalent of everyone marching in wearing their overshoes and opening their raincoats to reveal that they are wearing nothing underneath. It's not a pretty sight. On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 7:57 PM, knarf wrote: > "They called themselves Communists." > > The

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Bill
On 11/17/2015 1:31 PM, Collin B wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Collin B wrote: Commumism was never containable Communism WAS contained. Dan Matyola Not exactly. It spread from China to N. Korea. It spread through VietNam. It is maintained in Cuba. The Shining Path remains at

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread Bill
On 11/17/2015 3:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: England suppressed the slave trade Only after they firmly established slavery in their American colonies, leaving the US with that enormous problem that caused the bloodiest war of all time.

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread frank theriault
And yet you're watching... LOL! Perhaps I'll see if I have any photos to post. But last weekend was so dismal in the photography department... cheers, frank On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > A thread like this is the conversational equivalent of everyone > marching in wea

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-17 Thread knarf
Whatever or whoever started it, slavery more than thrived once the Brits were ousted. Plantation owners weren't exactly turning their backs on all that free labour after 1776. In fact it was a necessary part of the plantation system in the South; without slaves, American cotton wouldn't have bee

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-18 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 17 Nov 2015, at 19:36, Collin B wrote: >> That's the way the Bible works too. >> >> B > > How so? > The gospels are a biography constructed around the OT prophecies so that people would think that Jesus was the predicted Messiah. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://p

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-18 Thread P.J. Alling
slaves could never buy their freedom in the US. That's simply not true. While it was difficult and due to the way Chattel slavery was enforced, the slaves owner would have to give permission, but there are quite a few former slaves who bought their freedom, and later the freedom of their wiv

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-18 Thread Collin B
>At the risk of oversimplification, Lenin was about the Party, It is easy, and quite common, to confuse function with worldview. Marxism is a worldview. Communism, in its several varieties, is an implementation. So is socialism, whether the milder US type or the more stringent system of the Soci

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-18 Thread Collin B
>On 17 Nov 2015, at 19:36, Collin B wrote: > >>> That's the way the Bible works too. >>> >>> B >> >> How so? >> > >The gospels are a biography constructed around the OT prophecies so that people would think that Jesus was the predicted Messiah. > >B > So you view them as suffering confirmation

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-18 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 18 Nov 2015, at 13:09, Collin B wrote: >> On 17 Nov 2015, at 19:36, Collin B wrote: >> That's the way the Bible works too. B >>> >>> How so? >> >> The gospels are a biography constructed around the OT prophecies so that > people would think that Jesus was the predicted Mess

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread John
On 11/17/2015 4:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Collin B wrote: It spread from China to N. Korea. It spread through VietNam. It is maintained in Cuba While Soviet style authoritarianism and elitism spread to those countries, I'm not sure that communism in the

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread John
On 11/17/2015 9:15 PM, Bill wrote: On 11/17/2015 1:31 PM, Collin B wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Collin B wrote: Commumism was never containable Communism WAS contained. Dan Matyola Not exactly. It spread from China to N. Korea. It spread through VietNam. It is maintained in

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread John
It's kind of like driving past a wreck on the highway. You don't really want to look, but you're curious about what everyone else is gawking at. On 11/17/2015 9:29 PM, frank theriault wrote: And yet you're watching... LOL! Perhaps I'll see if I have any photos to post. But last weekend was so

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread P.J. Alling
On 11/19/2015 12:12 PM, John wrote: On 11/17/2015 4:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Collin B wrote: It spread from China to N. Korea. It spread through VietNam. It is maintained in Cuba While Soviet style authoritarianism and elitism spread to those countrie

Re: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Collin B
>It's pretty much the standard language of the GOP since the days Roger >Ailes & Lee Atwater were guiding George H.W. Bush's 1988 campaign. >Although, since they learned their chops at Nixon's knee, the "Big Lie" >technique seeped into American politics a bit earlier. Now I get it. There never wa

RE: OT: Solidarité!

2015-11-19 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- [...] > disease. I'm pretty sure that most of the camp guards in Hitler's Germany, > Soviet Russia, Mao's China and Pol Pot's Cambodia, thought their actions > were justifiable at the time. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

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