Re: [Pharo-dev] I'm annoyed because...

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Dale, Thanks for the time to report! Indeed, it is a known problem. Here is the explanation, which is not an argumentation of why this is a good behavior. Before, syntax highlighting had its own mechanism, including parser and internal representation. In Pharo 5, we decided to unify the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, There is an open issue for this: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18020/Shortcut-keys-in-GTDebugger-should-be-user-assignable Cheers, Doru > On Aug 8, 2016, at 4:20 AM, Hilaire wrote: > > > > Le 08/08/2016 à 09:44, Dale Henrichs a écrit : >> I didn't realize that

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Hilaire
Le 08/08/2016 à 09:44, Dale Henrichs a écrit : > I didn't realize that there were tooltips for those buttons ... there > appears to be a bit of a delay for them to come up (on my machine) and > not all of the buttons have tool tips (into, over and through) and a) I > don't know how long I am

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
Nicolai, It is good to encourage this, but it is a reality that it is a lot of work to do a good job of complaining and criticizing and personally I have a talk at ESUG that needs work, so I won't have the luxury of detailed criticisms much longer :) and I'm sure that this is an issue for

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 8/7/16 6:06 PM, Hilaire wrote: Regarding productivity, why not using the shortcut described in each button tooltips (the tooltips will deserve a better text than just the repeating of the label, but it is nice there is the shortcut mentioned) I didn't realize that there were tooltips for

[Pharo-dev] ensure blocks in TestCase>>tearDown are not run if an error occurs inside ensured block when test itself was halted ...

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
While attempting to characterize the "Empty Debugger" problem that I've recently reported[1], I found that ensure blocks in TestCase>>teardown methods are not run if an Error is signaled while executing the code protected by the ensure block ... when the test itself brings up a debugger ---

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Hilaire
Some positiveness, One think I like very much with the new GTDebugger: the meaning of each button action from its label is very clear and I am pretty sure beginner with Pharo will understand easily the use of each one. Regarding productivity, why not using the shortcut described in each button

Re: [Pharo-dev] I'm annoyed because...

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
Looks like a leading " turns off highlighting as well ... and the highlighting is turned off in the expression(s) *BEFORE* the syntax error which is not very useful ... I may not notice that the syntax highlighting has turned off until I have typed quite a few a characters and with the whole

Re: [Pharo-dev] I'm annoyed because...

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 8/7/16 4:57 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote: when I make certain syntax errors while editting a method the syntax highlighting goes all white on me ... I seem to recall that in the past the syntax highlighter would start showing red at the point of the syntax error ... and in this case the whole

[Pharo-dev] I'm annoyed because...

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
when I make certain syntax errors while editting a method the syntax highlighting goes all white on me ... I seem to recall that in the past the syntax highlighter would start showing red at the point of the syntax error ... and in this case the whole method is white and I have to guess where

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
Thanks Peter, Henrik and Juraj. I made the "mistake" of looking at customizations first and it was completely useless, so I didn't feel like "looking at every single menu item and click on everything in sight in the until you find what you are looking for ... or not" On 8/7/16 3:10 PM,

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
Ah thank you ... that is what I was really looking for ... Thanks! On 8/7/16 2:48 PM, Juraj Kubelka wrote: You can auto-subscribe here: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?pg=pgPlugin=1 (your account icon on the top-right of the page, subscribe). You can then subscribe to "ANY ITEM I

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Peter Uhnak
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 02:35:01PM -0700, Dale Henrichs wrote: > Oh wait --- I just noticed that I can only ask for notifications for cases I > am *assigned to* ... I guess I have to explicitly subscribe to a bug ... > sorry for the interruption... You can also subscribe to projects: 1. right

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Henrik Nergaard
At the top right corner of the webpage there is a dropdown menu with an entry “Subscribe”. This enables you to automatically subscribe to cases according to certain filters, and changes in those will then be notified by mail. Best regards, Henrik From: Pharo-dev

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Juraj Kubelka
You can auto-subscribe here: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?pg=pgPlugin=1 (your account icon on the top-right of the page, subscribe). You can then subscribe to "ANY ITEM I EDIT”, "ANY ITEM I CREATE”, a specific project, etc.

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: strange errors in jenkins jobs

2016-08-07 Thread Cyril Ferlicot D.
Le 07/08/2016 à 23:12, Tudor Girba a écrit : > > Hmm, indeed it looks quite the same, but in our case, the problem appeared > only today while the report of Dale is older. Yesterday, our jobs worked > well. What could be at play to explain that? > Hi, The 29/07 the FAMIX build failed for

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
Oh wait --- I just noticed that I can only ask for notifications for cases I am *assigned to* ... I guess I have to explicitly subscribe to a bug ... sorry for the interruption... Dale On 8/7/16 2:31 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote: I have the option selected to email notifications to me in FogBugz

[Pharo-dev] How to get fogubugz to send email notifications to me ....

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
I have the option selected to email notifications to me in FogBugz but I have yet to actually get email ... I must be missing some secret ingredient ... anyone else seeing or solving this problem? Dale

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: strange errors in jenkins jobs

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
> On Aug 7, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2016-08-07 22:36 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > Since yesterday, all Moose-related jobs are failing. These are built on top > of Pharo 5.0 stable, downloaded like this: > wget --quiet

Re: [Pharo-dev] strange errors in jenkins jobs

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 22:36 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > Since yesterday, all Moose-related jobs are failing. These are built on > top of Pharo 5.0 stable, downloaded like this: > wget --quiet -O - http://get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash > > We did not change anything in the projects

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 7, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2016-08-07 19:58 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-07 16:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Le 7/8/16 à 21:27, Tudor Girba a écrit : Hi, On Aug 7, 2016, at 9:16 PM, stepharo wrote: On Jun 17, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote: #alt_meta ? - Maps to alt on OSX, ctrl on Win/Linux. - Can only bind either #meta or #alt_meta +

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Hi nicolai I can tell that I'm sad about the state of this part of the system. I do not know how I can help fixing this. What is really important is that we protect future brick from this mess. I think that we should have a structure so that people writing code can follow this structure.

[Pharo-dev] strange errors in jenkins jobs

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Since yesterday, all Moose-related jobs are failing. These are built on top of Pharo 5.0 stable, downloaded like this: wget --quiet -O - http://get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash We did not change anything in the projects that fail, and locally on Mac, I can load any of the code without problems.

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 7, 2016, at 9:16 PM, stepharo wrote: > >>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Henrik Johansen >>> wrote: >>> >>> #alt_meta ? >>> - Maps to alt on OSX, ctrl on Win/Linux. >>> - Can only bind either #meta or #alt_meta + key, or both must

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
On Jun 17, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Henrik Johansen wrote: #alt_meta ? - Maps to alt on OSX, ctrl on Win/Linux. - Can only bind either #meta or #alt_meta + key, or both must bind to same action. - Can only be applied to a very limited set of keys, (usually those

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 19:58 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-07 16:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > > Hi, > > > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Nicolai Hess

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Le 16/6/16 à 22:45, Tudor Girba a écrit : Hi, I think we are mixing the topics a bit. The #meta discussion is not specific to Spotter actions. The idea was to offer a uniform support of keybindings in Pharo, in general. Then Guille etal added #meta to have a predictable mapping. All #cmd

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Le 7/6/16 à 16:33, Guille Polito a écrit : For coherence, the vast majority of shortcuts should follow the standard in all applications. Most shortcuts use cmd in mac, and ctrl in unix/win. Then there are exceptions of course. I'd like exceptions to be that, exceptions, and well

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 20:06 GMT+02:00 Henrik Nergaard : > The test #testPickedChangesAfterSelect selects an item which is not in the > browser, so I would consider that a bug. > > > > Adding the item to the browser before selecting it should be correct and > make the test work. > > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status of SmallPOS

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Well, general procedure is loading magritte, then loading seaside 2.8, then loading SmallPOS...I made some packaging efforts, see https://code.google.com/archive/p/smalltalkpos/wikis/FullyAutomatedGoferScriptForSmallPOSInstallation.wiki ok I do not have the time now to write configuration

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Henrik Nergaard
The test #testPickedChangesAfterSelect selects an item which is not in the browser, so I would consider that a bug. Adding the item to the browser before selecting it should be correct and make the test work. ChangesBrowserTest >> testPickedChangesAfterSelect | item |

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
> On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2016-08-07 16:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-07 15:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 18:23 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess : > > > 2016-08-07 17:53 GMT+02:00 Henrik Nergaard : > >> ListModel has that: #selectedItemsSorted, but looking at the tree model >> structure I guess the simplest way is to just traverse the whole structure >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 16:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > On Aug 7, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-07 15:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > > Hi, > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Nicolai Hess

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 17:53 GMT+02:00 Henrik Nergaard : > ListModel has that: #selectedItemsSorted, but looking at the tree model > structure I guess the simplest way is to just traverse the whole structure > until the selected nodes are found. > > Something like this should do the

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 7, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> Hi Stef, >> >> We had a thread on that two months ago, and it is still waiting for your >> answer. I made concrete proposals on which

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Henrik Nergaard
ListModel has that: #selectedItemsSorted, but looking at the tree model structure I guess the simplest way is to just traverse the whole structure until the selected nodes are found. Something like this should do the trick: -- TreeModel >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Ben Coman
On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Stef, > > We had a thread on that two months ago, and it is still waiting for your > answer. I made concrete proposals on which bindings can work. It would be > more constructive to focus on those details (see more

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bloc, Bloc 2 and Brick

2016-08-07 Thread webwarrior
stepharo wrote > ... > > In June we spent three days to understand if we should merge Bloc2 > into Bloc and we decided the inverse because > his implementation is based on SDL and a separate window) it does > not suffer from the morphic plague. So for example > the event bubbling

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Peter Uhnak
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 09:42:07AM +0200, stepharo wrote: > Hi > > I'm FEDUP to have to go up to click on buttons in the debugger. > > I know that some of you have a preferences to fix this problem (yes doru > nicely explain that we do not understand anything > > and this is part of design but

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Peter Uhnak
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 04:55:05PM +0200, Nicolai Hess wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way to retrive the selected nodes of a TreeModel in the same > order they are > shown in the widget ? > > For example, open this tree model, and select item 5/4/3/1 > |t| > Transcript clear. > t := TreeModel new.

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Often the reason of annoyance is either time consuming or simply complicated to detail. Anyway, personally, I am not really perturbed by the button location. The print-it in the debugger is no more an annoyance when the Cmd-c bidding can simply copy the print-it. It is exactly what I wish to do

[Pharo-dev] Spec TreeModel get selected items in order

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
Hi, Is there a way to retrive the selected nodes of a TreeModel in the same order they are shown in the widget ? For example, open this tree model, and select item 5/4/3/1 |t| Transcript clear. t := TreeModel new. t beCheckList ; autoMultiSelection: true. t roots:((1 to:10) collect:[:c |

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 16:10 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi Dale, > > Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new quirks time to > settle :). > > Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I specifically interested > in the reasons why it is annoying. Please feel free

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Stef, I never explained anyone how they do not understand something :). When I try to explain something, I mostly try to explain how I reason and the kinds of constraints I considered so that others can find what is wrong. Related to your issue, there is no preference currently.

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 7, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2016-08-07 15:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-03 10:02 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Nicolai Hess
2016-08-07 15:23 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-03 10:02 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > > Hi, > > > > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Nicolai Hess

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Dale, Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks for giving these new quirks time to settle :). Actually, I am looking for what is annoying and I specifically interested in the reasons why it is annoying. Please feel free to report the bits that annoy you. Cheers, Doru > On Aug 7, 2016, at

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 8/7/16 6:16 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Stef, That is why we made the default printing not affect the text editor, and this feature is around since almost 2 years and, except of you, there was no other complain. I believe that this is a logical fallacy ... many developers are too busy

Re: [Pharo-dev] GT-Spotter dive in shortcut

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > 2016-08-03 10:02 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-06-18 23:34 GMT+02:00 Nicolai Hess

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Stef, We had a thread on that two months ago, and it is still waiting for your answer. I made concrete proposals on which bindings can work. It would be more constructive to focus on those details (see more below). First, one thing should get clarified. The case in which someone wants to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread Brad
touché Brad Selfridge > On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:42 AM, stepharo wrote: > > Hi > > I'm FEDUP to have to go up to click on buttons in the debugger. > > I know that some of you have a preferences to fix this problem (yes doru > nicely explain that we do not understand anything

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status of SmallPOS

2016-08-07 Thread Юрий Мироненко
Well, general procedure is loading magritte, then loading seaside 2.8, then loading SmallPOS...I made some packaging efforts, see https://code.google.com/archive/p/smalltalkpos/wikis/FullyAutomatedGoferScriptForSmallPOSInstallation.wiki But, well, at the moment simplest possibility is sending you

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status of SmallPOS

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
There is no configuration and I tried to load the latest version and it looks like it depends on magritte. How do you load it? Stef Le 30/7/16 à 19:16, Yuriy Mironenko a écrit : Sorry for answering the "deadly long forgotten" post, but, anyway: it happens at the moment of migration to ss3,

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status of SmallPOS

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Excellent! I will have a look to get an idea :) Le 7/8/16 à 12:39, Yuriy Mironenko a écrit : I just checked: SmallPOS was relicensed under MIT in the middle of year 2012. So it *is* under MIT license now. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Status of SmallPOS

2016-08-07 Thread Yuriy Mironenko
I just checked: SmallPOS was relicensed under MIT in the middle of year 2012. So it *is* under MIT license now. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Status-of-SmallPOS-tp4649796p4909835.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread Ben Coman
On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 3:39 PM, stepharo wrote: > Hi > > Seriously I do not get why printing in the debugger cannot just print the > text without putting these ^%&*^*&()**(&%^*( double quote around. I believe the behaviour was introduced for the Workspace/Playground so that

[Pharo-dev] Looking for preferences to move the debugger buttons

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Hi I'm FEDUP to have to go up to click on buttons in the debugger. I know that some of you have a preferences to fix this problem (yes doru nicely explain that we do not understand anything and this is part of design but I do not care of design I care about my efficiency - as if Apple wuld

[Pharo-dev] when Cmd-P can just display a string in the debugger

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Hi Seriously I do not get why printing in the debugger cannot just print the text without putting these ^%&*^*&()**(&%^*( double quote around. Why do we change such basic functionality and in particular we do not propose ANY alternative. If you need a pop up and do not care of manipulating

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] f57843: 60163

2016-08-07 Thread stepharo
Le 5/8/16 à 05:28, Martin Dias a écrit : Hi Stef, good, I take note. I improved filters in the recent releases and will continue improving. Thanks Martin I have problems with the menu item names :) To me redo looks strange when I get a crash I want to import the changes not redo them. Then