[PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform

Hello everyone,   I think as we go forward with PHP and as PHP 5 is nearing, shouldn't we planning on developing a PHP Platform?  Basically the Java or .NET Platform - a set of stable and well written class libraries in which everyone can use?  Classes that make sense for every day and maybe

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"Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I think as we go forward with PHP and as PHP 5 is nearing, shouldn't we planning > on developing a PHP Platform? Basically the Java or .NET Platform - a set of > stable and well written class libraries in which everyone can use? C

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ch more to develop to make PHP an even greater language to use, but it's not keeping up. Ken - Original Message - From: "Richard Heyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:4

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>From you message, it seems like PEAR is finished. PEAR is hardly a beta and IMHO will never be 'finished'. Tal _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- PHP Development Mailing List

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Ken, Many classes and for Java & .NET and even php very own PEAR are libraries of bloat. They offer some functionality and in exchange take away tremendous amount of extra resources. That is not to say all those classes and libraries are written poorly, many are not, however no matter how good

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quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard Heyes"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:48 PMSubject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform> Ken,>> Many classes and for Java & .NET

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to be nothing to build from.- Original Message -From: "Tal Peer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:32 PMSubject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform> From you message, it

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Ken, you are, like any other developer out there, very welcome to aid in the development of PHP and any its extension; either if you have some more sophisticated background inforamtion about certain technologies or not. Yet I've read all your posts; complaining about not

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Ken Egervari wrote: > I agree with you friend. Everything is always in beta as far as I am > concerned. Everything evolves. But PEAR has been around for how long > now? I think its time it started to evolve a little faster and its goals > be > re-evaluated. When PHP 5 supports a simular langua

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From: "Steve Meyers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > Ken Egervari wrote: > > > I agree with you friend. Everything is always in beta as far as I am > > concerned.

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On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 22:31, Ken Egervari wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I think as we go forward with PHP and as PHP 5 is nearing, shouldn't we planning on >developing a PHP Platform? Basically the Java or .NET Platform - a set of stable and >well written class libraries in which everyone can u

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TECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > > >> Ken Egervari wrote: >> >> > I agree with you friend. Everything is always in beta as far as I am >> > concerned. Eve

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ng and solving people's problems, then we aren't > going anyway. > > Regards, > Ken > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Ilia A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Richard Heyes" > <[EMAI

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shown that coming up with the technical solution >> that >> works and solves people's problem is essential. Once something is in >> place, >> then we start looking at how to speed it up. But if we don't even get to >> the point of it working and solving people

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 07:32:47PM -0400, medvitz wrote: > The issue I have with PHP is that the people in charge have reasons for not > implementing performance enhancements in the base code. They charge a fair > amount for add-ons that increases performance drastically. I could > actually a

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I don't really have an issue with the Zend people making money from their products. The concern I have is that they sell perfoamance enhancing products. Because they are selling these, I worry that performance in the base Zend engine will not be / is not a primary concern. I think that pe

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On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 11:57:13AM -0400, medvitz wrote: > The concern I have is that they sell perfoamance enhancing products. > Because they are selling these, I worry that performance in the base Zend > engine will not be / is not a primary concern. I think that performance > should be a t

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ubject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > > > > I don't really have an issue with the Zend people making > money from their > products. > > The concern I have is that they sell perfoamance enhancing products. > Because they are selling these, I worry that p

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> > I really have to fight within the company i work to keep PHP. Do you know what PHP >really needs? Good native XML and SOAP support.. > Without that it's very hard to convince my boss that PHP is the right tool for the >job. > > I develop for a living. And i'm not only programming in PHP. I d

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Hey all, I'm just doing a general followup to say how much I love the PHP engine. I find it extremely fast for development and I love that I can integrate C extension modules when time is a huge factor. While PHP seems to be moving into the shadows here where I work I find that I love it more and

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:40:15PM +0300, Andrey Hristov wrote: > > > > I really have to fight within the company i work to keep PHP. Do you know what PHP >really needs? Good native XML and SOAP > support.. > > Without that it's very hard to convince my boss that PHP is the right tool for the >j

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Hi > I know that there are RPC and SOAP classes. But that is not the point that i wanted >to make. > What i'm trying to say is that companies never hear about PHP. OK, they hear about >the MIME bug and did you know what my boss said?? > You see, PHP is just as bad as ASP, so why use PHP and not

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> And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered free by > Microsoft. alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft. - Brad __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://

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At 07:27 16/04/2002 -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > > And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered > free by > > Microsoft. > > alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft. I wouldn't call it pathetic because these things work. Andi -- PHP D

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > > And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered free by > > Microsoft. > > alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft. Yeah, but are there any professional tranings for PHP? Do y

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:40:19PM +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote: > At 07:27 16/04/2002 -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > > > And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered > > free by > > > Microsoft. > > > > alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft.

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"brad lafountain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Andrey Hristov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > > > And

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- From: "Dave Mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "brad lafountain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Andrey Hristov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:37 AM Subject:

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--- Dave Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > > > And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered > free by > > > Microsoft. > > > > alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft. >

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:57:26AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > > --- Dave Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But the fact the PHP don't have a proper XML parser, only a scripting SOAP > > parser > > Well i currently am working on a soap c extension for php (ext/soap). Its > pretty fast.

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I know this is going nowhere :) but anyway - its late here and I've got a few secs to kill Ask your boss, how often has he done a project using microsoft tools, and its been seriously delayed because they found a serious bug in the microsoft tools, that had to be worked around.- if he answ

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I keep hearing a lot of "my company this in microsoft" and "my company that" and "blah blah blah". I'm sorry, but if the fullfillment of all your dreams are in your company then you live a sad, sad life. The future is what you make of it, and each and every person has the power to contribute to ch

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Brad Lafountain wrote: > --- Dave Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: >> And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered >>> >>free by >> Microsoft. >>> >>> alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pat

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:54:33AM -0400, Ken Egervari wrote: > a) no enough are learning php which in itself, says PHP is not doing a good > enough job promoting the language And that's the problem. PHP isn't promoted anymore. Not in the way .NET and Java are. 2 years ago i convinced my boss to u

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 11:20:26PM +0800, Alan Knowles wrote: > I know this is going nowhere :) but anyway - its late here and I've got > a few secs to kill > > Ask your boss, how often has he done a project using microsoft tools, > and its been seriously delayed because they found a seriou

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I hear you on the call to make PHP more recognisable. That's why we have the php-evangelism project, where we are putting together documents and facts as to why choose PHP over other languages. Really advocating PHP. I invite you - and anyone else interested - to join. Secondly, as to why PHP suc

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:09:57PM +0100, James Cox wrote: > I hear you on the call to make PHP more recognisable. That's why we have the > php-evangelism project, where we are putting together documents and facts as > to why choose PHP over other languages. Really advocating PHP. I invite > you -

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 05:09:57PM +0100, James Cox wrote: > I hear you on the call to make PHP more recognisable. That's why we have the > php-evangelism project, where we are putting together documents and facts as > to why choose PHP over other languages. Really advocating PHP. I invite > you

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 11:27:36AM -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: > I keep hearing a lot of "my company this in microsoft" and "my company that" > and "blah blah blah". I'm sorry, but if the fullfillment of all your dreams > are in your company then you live a sad, sad life. The future is what you

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; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > Hello, > > Ken Egervari wrote: > > > > I'd have to agree with Dave. PHP is too far behind and for those that

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:08:38PM -0400, Ken Egervari wrote: > The issue with the phpclasses repository is that none of the classes really > 'work together' much like the Java and .NET classes. As you have known, > extremephp.org was a project I started awhile back to do such a framework > (well

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Hi, Dave Mertens wrote: > That all great. Almost every company (even google) has a SOAP interface. SOAP relies >for a big part on XML. > We (ISM, the company i work for) write e-commerce, b2c, b2b, extranet and portal >systems. > We have to connect several interface to the website. And SOAP ma

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and Google uses php for its website yay! - Original Message - From: "Stefan Livieratos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dave Mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform &g

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have go through it all over again if you switch hosts) dietrich > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Livieratos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 5:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Mertens > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > > &g

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EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Andrey Hristov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > Brad Lafountain wrote: > > --- Dave Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -

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- Original Message - From: "Dave Mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > And because i like PHP i'm still

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Am Dienstag, 16. April 2002 18:23 schrieb Dave Mertens: > And that's the problem. PHP isn't promoted anymore. Not in the > way .NET and Java are. 2 years ago i convinced my boss to use > PHP, but these says MS and Java can do the same stuff as PHP. Only partially a problem with promotion. As I s

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, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > Is there alot of this sort of bickering on this mailing list, or is this > out of the norm? > > Ken, Mike - does it *really* matter who uses what technology to get the job > done? Isn't it much more important what th

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On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 04:22:00PM -, Dan Hardiker wrote: > > Ken Egervari writes: > > > > I for one have been using Java and .Net for all my applications now. > > > > Which is it, "java most of the time", or "java and .net > > for all my applications now". > > > > Big difference. > Is there a

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--- Dan Hardiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken, Mike - does it *really* matter who uses what technology to get > the job > done? Isn't it much more important what the resulting code is > capable of > doing and in what manner? Agreed. PHP alone can do nearly all the things that Microsoft pro

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PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform Is there alot of this sort of bickering on this mailing list, or is this out of the norm? Ken, Mike - does it *really* matter who uses what technology to get the job done? Isn't it much more important what the resulting code is capable of

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' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform Ken Egervari writes: > [snip] When someone with a lot of design experience looks at the > classes, they say, "hmm.. i wonder if all the work done on PHP is this > question

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Hi, Dietrich Ayala wrote: > here's some reasons why XML in PHP does not compare favorably to XML in the MS >platform: > > 1. None of the XML related extensions work together. SAX, XSLT, DOM, XML Schema are >part of the same core in MSXML. There is > incredible power and flexibility in that alo

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> stick with the domxml extension, which basically > wraps the libxml2 and libxslt libraries and right now offers you DOM, > XPath, XPointer and XSLT. SAX and DTD validation are available in the > wrapped libraries but currently are not exposed to PHP. I have no complaints with the work of Daniel

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> I didn't know that compiling with just domxml gave xslt as well. > are you sure of this? > --with-dom-xslt and --with-dom-exslt -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:19:52PM +0200, Marcus B?rger wrote: > And who wants to use MS in critical environments or with critical Data? > Remember > MS fail to secure their own DNS servers or who knows what MS is capable to view > on your server? Before XP they did not implement a full tcp/ip st

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have left as well. Maybe it's not the accusers that have the problem. Just something to think about. - Original Message - From: "Dave Mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April

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Look, with that attitude, no wonder why it doesn't any better. - Original Message - From: "Dave Mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dan Hardiker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [P

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Hardiker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:22 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > > >> Is there alot of this sort of bickering on this mailing list, or is >> this out of the norm? >> >>

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--- Dave Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just in my case - We only have MS database servers at our company. > Why, because Learning all the ins and outs of postgresql or MySQL > takes a lot of time. > PHP has very good support for MS SQL Server. But MS SQL Server is > cheaper than Oracle. > S

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph Tate wrote: >> I didn't know that compiling with just domxml gave xslt as well. are >> you sure of this? >> > --with-dom-xslt and --with-dom-exslt But only since PHP 4.2 chregu -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://

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ng to contribute in either respect, I suggest you start a thread on slashdot. -Original Message- From: Dave Mertens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ken Egervari; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform On Wed, A

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For our systems, a windows machine (license fees, seats etc) costs in the region of 10,000 in total. A FreeBSD machine running the same style of software costs only 2,000 (and thats on the outer limit). What sensible business throws away 8,000? For your information, if your serious about deliveri

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> > > > > I for one have been using Java and .Net for all my applications > now. > > > > > > > > Which is it, "java most of the time", or "java and .net > > > > for all my applications now". > > > > > > > > Big difference. > > > Is there alot of this sort of bickering on this mailing list, or is t

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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > Is there alot of this sort of bickering on this mailing list, or is this > out of the norm? > > Ken, Mike - does it *really* matter who uses what technology to get the job > done? Isn't it much more important what the resulting cod

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; > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Hardiker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:22 PM > Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform > > > >>Is there alot of this sort of bickering on this maili

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Just something to > think about. > > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Mertens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ken Egervari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [PHP-D

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-EVANGELISM] RE: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform

> It has been mentioned before -- "what is there left to do to PHP?" -- and I > believe that we could just fix up all the bugs left, and then work on > writing add-ons in pecl or pear. Really, lets stop turning this language > into bloat-ware with all the latest plugins and gadgets (that make othe

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Hi, > Just a note, that we also have a web server written in PHP ;) > http://nanoweb.si.kz/ and a protocol-independent server framework (which includes a sample webserver, too): http://daniel.lorch.cc/projects/phpserv/ SCNR :) -daniel -- PHP Development Mailing List