RE: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-29 Thread Darren Branagh
One more reason to believe that Irish are similar to Greeks... they try to maximise profit in all situations:-) Why do you think we invented Ouzo? (Which is the drink made out of the crap left when ALL other possible alcoholic drinks are made...) Ffibys My step-daughter brought a

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-29 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 04:52:41 -0400, Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Oh yeah...Blame me for your alcoholic ways when you're in Ireland... 8-)# It's known the world over that our friend Darren is the root of ALL evil ;-) I recall my first encounter with ouzo tooI drank an

RE: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-29 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Oh yeah...Blame me for your alcoholic ways when you're in Ireland... 8-)# Who else is there to blame ;-) I recall my first encounter with ouzo tooI drank an entire bottle at a greek night in my local pub (don't ask). Took a large fried breakfast the next day to sort me out, and I made

RE: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-29 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Hmmm, fried breakfast after Guinness doesn't work. In fact, your stomach is usually OK after Guinness UNTIL you eat :-( Hm Neither does coffee flavoured sausages... remember that? 6am I think at a services stop on the way to Bristol with Hilary O'Kelly. Darren. Yes! First and

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-29 Thread Derek Stewart
By experience of many years heavy drinking, always better to have the breakfast first then the alcohol. Never quite sure if drinking during breakfast is OK, but I always seem better with food in first then drink. That is only in the morning. Derek Dilwyn Jones wrote: Oh yeah...Blame me for

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-29 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hilary is fine, and still in that HUGE Castle, all on his own. Still beavering away with his Gold Card QL - I call on him when I visit my parents. I think hes on email still - Hilaryokelly AT hotmail DOT com He has written some

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-28 Thread Dilwyn Jones
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0400, Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Reminds me, I really must organise another Irish Show, maybe in Galway for a change. Would that be an Irish Show or a show

RE: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-28 Thread Darren Branagh
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0400, Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Reminds me, I really must organise another Irish Show, maybe in Galway for a change. Would that be an Irish Show or a

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-28 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:28:39 -0400, Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Knowing how tight Galwegians are, the one with the lowest price and maximum alcohol content!! :-)) See I told you in the past Darren that Irish and Greeks are not that all different ;-) heehee Guinness is the

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-28 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?windows-1253?B?UGhvZWJ1cyBSLiBEb2tvcyAo1u/f4u/yINEuIM30/Orv8ik=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0400, Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Reminds me, I

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-28 Thread Dilwyn Jones
One more reason to believe that Irish are similar to Greeks... they try to maximise profit in all situations:-) Why do you think we invented Ouzo? (Which is the drink made out of the crap left when ALL other possible alcoholic drinks are made...) Ffibys My step-daughter brought a small

RE: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-27 Thread Darren Branagh
Tony Wrote:- In the old days, QL work used to be my living, and a good one. For the last 6 years at least, I have stayed because I have made many good friends. I don't make money or even do it for free. It actually costs me money to stay with the QL. Tony I couldn't agree more. Although

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-27 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Reminds me, I really must organise another Irish Show, maybe in Galway for a change. Would that be an Irish Show or a show held in Ireland ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-26 Thread David Tubbs
At 01:45 25/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: What market? Rather my point, is there any such thing beyond this QLique ? most in the band are fairly well furnished with software. This thread started with the suggestion of a DVD of related material as a product, what a horrendous thought to have to

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-26 Thread P Witte
David Tubbs writes: You, Per, don't convince me you have not solved someone else's problem with taking top payscale. Never done work for local community, or worked for a charity ? Im not sure I catch your drift, but Ive spent most of my working life in unwaged positions, in so-called ideal

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-26 Thread David Tubbs
At 19:19 26/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: You, Per, don't convince me you have not solved someone else's problem with OUT taking top payscale. Never done work for local community, or worked for a charity ? Disklesia Roles Sorry Per -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-26 Thread Tony Firshman
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 at 19:19:08, P Witte wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) David Tubbs writes: You, Per, don't convince me you have not solved someone else's problem with taking top payscale. Never done work for local community, or worked for a charity ? Im not sure I catch your drift, but

RE: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-25 Thread Darren Branagh
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 April 2005 00:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product. - Original Message - From: Just about everbody who monitors the user list About 10 days or so ago, Darren Branagh asked a quite straight forward question

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-25 Thread jms1
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product. Roy wood wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP My

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-25 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Basically, it entails getting a concrete OK from QUANTA to buy some. Then we will need somebody or somebodies to write a front end, and copy the data to them (at USB speeds, this is a very quick procedure). So, what we need is some quanta money, and someone to write the software to drive the

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
I'm on Tony's mailshot, or so I thought, but I never saw it! :-( You are. His announcement was on the JMS .gif image linked to from the emailshot. Thanks Tony, makes one wonder if that is read at all... maybe we should, if it is a show invitation, just put the show and the date in...? Jochen

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Jeremy Taffel
SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: I'm on Tony's mailshot, or so I thought, but I never saw it! :-( You are. His announcement was on the JMS .gif image linked to from the emailshot. Thanks Tony, makes one wonder if that is read at all... maybe we should, if it is a show invitation, just put the

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 09:44:43, SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I'm on Tony's mailshot, or so I thought, but I never saw it! :-( You are. His announcement was on the JMS .gif image linked to from the emailshot. Thanks Tony, makes one wonder if that is read at

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread COLIN PARSONS
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product. SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: I'm on Tony's mailshot, or so I thought, but I never saw it! :-( You are. His

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 12:27:52, Jeremy Taffel wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) His announcement was on the JMS .gif image linked to from the emailshot. It's quite likely that the email client stripped the .gif image out. It was not attached - it was simply a link. Tony -- QBBS

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 12:51 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: It was not attached - it was simply a link. Tony -- A link is only as good as the authoring ! JMS from your site leads to a blind alley. Godfroy from JMS is Forbidden and has been for months ! DT -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread P Witte
Jochen Merz writes: I'm on Tony's mailshot, or so I thought, but I never saw it! :-( You are. His announcement was on the JMS .gif image linked to from the emailshot. Thanks Tony, makes one wonder if that is read at all... maybe we should, if it is a show invitation, just put

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 02:02 23/04/2005 +0100,Jeremy Taffel wrote: Roy, I don't know why you have to take such an aggressive stance. It is his way, always got time to dish a superfluous diatribe. But when I recently furnished him with information he had asked for it was not even acknowledged nor a relevant enquiry

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 12:51:50, COLIN PARSONS wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Neither did I! Put things in plain text if you want things to be read!! Too many worms are installed by clicking on links. On spam yes. What makes you think that my emails (and QL traders) are going to do that sort

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 13:23:02, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 12:51 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: It was not attached - it was simply a link. Tony -- A link is only as good as the authoring ! JMS from your site leads to a blind alley. It doesn't - tried it just now. Tony --

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread COLIN PARSONS
Neither did I! Put things in plain text if you want things to be read!! Too many worms are installed by clicking on links. On spam yes. What makes you think that my emails (and QL traders) are going to do that sort of thing? Use Text only and no HTML, if you really want things to be read!! It was

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 14:11 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: JMS from your site leads to a blind alley. It doesn't - tried it just now. Tony Same as before, Jochen has given another address for the QL relevant site. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 14:17:25, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 14:11 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: JMS from your site leads to a blind alley. It doesn't - tried it just now. Tony Same as before, Jochen has given another address for the QL relevant site. I give the correct

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 14:23 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: Where is this blind alley you talk about? Tony Very simply that site has NO QPC or SMSQ material. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
The link *always* was and still is http://smsq.j-m-s.com No www! Jochen Jeremy Taffel wrote: David Tubbs wrote: At 14:11 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: JMS from your site leads to a blind alley. It doesn't - tried it just now. Tony Same as before, Jochen has given another address for the QL

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
Neither did I! Put things in plain text if you want things to be read!! Too many worms are installed by clicking on links. Use Text only and no HTML, if you really want things to be read!! It *WAS* text only. And putting all the contents into the main email is not really helpful either - if

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Jeremy Taffel
SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: The link *always* was and still is http://smsq.j-m-s.com Ah. That's better. At Last !!! Jeremy No www! Jochen Jeremy Taffel wrote: David Tubbs wrote: At 14:11 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: JMS from your site leads to a blind alley. It doesn't - tried it just now. Tony

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
Hi Jeremy, Tis true! I use thunderbird. It allows you to inspect thesource; and it is plain text. However under normal display it converts text strings that start with http: into a URL. Similarly, it converts all the and at the start of the line into pretty formatted coloured sidebars. There

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
Hooray!!! And to help for the future, I've added a proper signature from now on :-) Jochen Jeremy Taffel wrote: SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: The link *always* was and still is http://smsq.j-m-s.com Ah. That's better. At Last !!! Jeremy No www! Jochen Jeremy Taffel wrote: David Tubbs wrote: At 14:11

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 09:29 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: Also worth noting Hardly, it being so out of date ! that the starter pack offer (234 Euros worth Shall we say priced at rather than worth. The authors think it should be higher whilst the market seems to suggest otherwise. of software for 99.90 Euros) was

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes At 02:02 23/04/2005 +0100,Jeremy Taffel wrote: Roy, I don't know why you have to take such an aggressive stance. It is his way, always got time to dish a superfluous diatribe. But when I recently furnished him with information he

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 16:01:56, Jeremy Taffel wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) However, the main point is, that unless the body of the text in an email tells me why I'm supposed to click on a link, then I'm unlikely to. I receive too many to follow random links without knowing why.

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 09:38:54, =?windows-1253?B?UGhvZWJ1cyBSLiBEb2tvcyAo1u/f4u/yINEuIM30/Orv8ik=?= wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:16:00 -0400, COLIN PARSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither did I! Put things in plain text if you want things to be read!! Too many

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 17:15:58, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 17:01 24/04/2005 +0200, you wrote: It *WAS* text only. By definition a gif is not plain text It was a text link to a .gif. I also don't have any attachments. The email was plain text (for the third time)! Tony

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 14:43:09, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 14:23 24/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: Where is this blind alley you talk about? Tony Very simply that site has NO QPC or SMSQ material. You are dead right. Jochen - you should restore the link to the actual QL site

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Malcolm Cadman wrote: clip Jeremy, with all your computer interests I am sure that you will find it even more fun now than the period that you are recalling. Yes, there is a cost involved for the commercial programs, yet there

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tony Firshman wrote: I repeat - my emails are text only. If there is html there, that is added by your mailer. Nothing to do with me. Tony Tis true! I use thunderbird. It allows you to inspect thesource; and it is plain

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product. On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 at 00:53:37, Jeremy Taffel wrote: His

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 19:55 24/04/2005 +0200, you wrote: Sorry All current SMSQ/E stuff is on smsq.j-m-s.com, and that's the official SMSQ homepage, and always was. No point in pointing to an outdated ad somewhere. then try this one Jochen Forbidden You don't have permission to access /~godefroy/english on this

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:32:58 -0400, David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:55 24/04/2005 +0200, you wrote: Sorry All current SMSQ/E stuff is on smsq.j-m-s.com, and that's the official SMSQ homepage, and always was. No point in pointing to an outdated ad somewhere. then try this one

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
Hi David, then try this one Jochen Forbidden You don't have permission to access /~godefroy/english on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.imaginet.fr Port 80 Well, it seems that the link to Thierry's website is broken, (will remove it, unless somebody has a working, but ... what has this to

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread David Tubbs
At 20:51 24/04/2005 +0200, Jochen wrote: Well, it seems that the link to Thierry's website is broken, (will remove it, unless somebody has a working, but ... what has this to do with links to MY ad from QL 2004's mailshot last year? (at least that was the subject of the last 30+ emails or so). I

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Jeremy Taffel
Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tony Firshman wrote: I repeat - my emails are text only. If there is html there, that is added by your mailer. Nothing to do with me. Tony Tis true! I use thunderbird. It allows you to inspect

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 21:04:33, SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Not an ad. This is the link to you on my website. When I started it (in 1996 I think) j-m-s.com -was- your QL link surely. Surely??? No, impossible. I did not own a website in 1996. My first emails date back

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 20:16:36, Jeremy Taffel wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ess to change any settings. I don't work in local government, just the UKs largest defence contractor. All the IT is outsourced. The contract specifies the levels of support received. It also has the conflicitng

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread Tarquin Mills
Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel writes Malcolm Cadman wrote: I have the pointer environment. But its very old - I bought it from Care Electronics when they had a shop in Watford; perhaps in 1988. I'm not sure that it was sold as QPAC2 though. Files include

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread John Gilpin
- Original Message - From: Just about everbody who monitors the user list About 10 days or so ago, Darren Branagh asked a quite straight forward question about the possibility of there being a market for a DVD containing an emulator and heaps of QL Software with a purpose written front

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread P Witte
David Tubbs writes: that the starter pack offer (234 Euros worth Shall we say priced at rather than worth. The authors think it should be higher whilst the market seems to suggest otherwise. What market? Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Per ___

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product. - it actually looked more like runny mascara than anything else so I hope wasn't being wound up about it all! Watch

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP I don't know why you have to take such an aggressive stance. Why do you have problems? I was not complaining about the cost, nor requesting a price reduction, merely offering the constructive suggestion that if the

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread Jeremy Taffel
Roy wood wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP I don't know why you have to take such an aggressive stance. Why do you have problems? I was not complaining about the cost, nor requesting a price reduction, merely offering the constructive suggestion

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread hitchies
Jeremy said - / And now for another suggestion The QPC2 demo on Marcel's site hardly shows the system off to its best potential.. The presentation of the screen that results from the boot file on the .win file that is included for download is awful, and could have been from qdos. There

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP I know that response was meant as a jest, but I was being perfectly serious.Surely, if you are interested in selling a product, its up to you to show what it can do. If you leave it to the prospective buyer to try to

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 at 00:53:37, Jeremy Taffel wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and thousands of sales? No! Where did you advertise

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-23 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes My position is quite simple really. I use computers for soving engineering problems, and find myself using windows (98,XP, 2000), Linux, Solaris., but the OS is less important to me than the tools. clip So, to answer your

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
David Tubbs wrote: At 00:18 22/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: Roy wood wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and thousands of sales? No! Where did you advertise this? I didn't know about it. It was sent out by email to the newsgroups, advertised by TF's mailshot, placed on

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
Ich glaube es ist ausgekauft, Ich kann es nicht sehen bei http://www.j-m-s.de/index_e.htm ... und natürlich http://qpc.j-m-s.com Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Dilwyn Jones
One technique is to get an 0870 (national number) at 7p a minutes and 1p or 2p of the call charge is given to you, this is like the system that free ISPs use and if I had the money for a second line for a QL ISP I would use. The Phone Coop (http://www.thephone.coop) used to offer this service

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Users that confuse the both need a quick lecture that's all... That was my point Marcel, Jochen and I choose to sell it. They know the price. Try arguing with the man at the petrol pump on a slack day or the supermarket checkout at night by saying - there are not many people buying why not

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Dilwyn Jones
So whats wrong with the demo version of QPC2? You can check out most of the new facilities and run most new programs. Enough to satisfy curiosity, I should think. No, not really, not without being able to save config files etc. A reminder here that there are programs like my own Launchpad

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Dilwyn Jones
On the other hand, while the money will never, ever compensate for the time or energy, it does show me that people respect the work and are interested in it. If no one was willing to pay what I consider to be a very underpriced cost for QDT, I would read it as no one appreciated the work

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Wolfgang Uhlig
Am Fri, 22 Apr 2005 8:41:22 + hat Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: It all adds to the Rip-off-Britain impressions we have. You could replace Britain by every EG-country, I'm afraid :-( The latest trick I had to undergo with the German Postbank two days ago. After the usual

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread P Witte
COLIN PARSONS writes: So whats wrong with the demo version of QPC2? You can check out most of the new facilities and run most new programs. Enough to satisfy curiosity, I should think. You can't save any work. Hardly the way to encourage any new programmer to the platform!! Its

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread P Witte
Jeremy Taffel writes: So whats wrong with the demo version of QPC2? You can check out most of the new facilities and run most new programs. Enough to satisfy curiosity, I should think. No, not really, not without being able to save config files etc. Ok, so if you had to solve the problem

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Tarquin Mills
Dilwyn Jones wrote: You'll probably get a free black eye from a p***ed off bored spotty teenager to match Geoff Wicks's through trying it and nothing else. I did not know the Quanta chairmanship fight was actual ;-), seriously I am sad to hear someone has hit Geoff and hope he is alright. --

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread pgraf
P Witte wrote: Id go one better: The place to start, of course, is to make the Qx0 designs public and free so other people can develop and improve them, and in some cases, build their own. A free computer to run free software on. Just the thing. The obstacle is production. If I publish

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Dilwyn Jones
You'll probably get a free black eye from a p***ed off bored spotty teenager to match Geoff Wicks's through trying it and nothing else. I did not know the Quanta chairmanship fight was actual ;-), seriously I am sad to hear someone has hit Geoff and hope he is alright. I don't know what

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread James Hunkins
On Apr 22, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On the other hand, while the money will never, ever compensate for the time or energy, it does show me that people respect the work and are interested in it. If no one was willing to pay what I consider to be a very underpriced cost for QDT, I

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Jeremy Taffel
Roy wood wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Where did you advertise this? I didn't know about it. Jeremy Probably in QL Today. Do you subscribe to that? No You see this is where I have a problem with all this. Here is someone who 'cannot justify

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes For myself, I started QDT as an interesting project. Plus I really enjoy the people involved in the community. To be honest, I would have abandoned the project quite a while ago if I was only doing it for the money.

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Would you buy the buggy version, even if it were £20 less? The fix is usually to get the latest version. So someone was happy to sell Buggy versions for top

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread P Witte
Peter Graf writes: Id go one better: The place to start, of course, is to make the Qx0 designs public and free so other people can develop and improve them, and in some cases, build their own. A free computer to run free software on. Just the thing. The obstacle is production. If I

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread COLIN PARSONS
On the other hand, while the money will never, ever compensate for the time or energy, it does show me that people respect the work and are interested in it. If no one was willing to pay what I consider to be a very underpriced cost for QDT, I would read it as no one appreciated the work being

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Where did you advertise this? I didn't know about it. Jeremy Probably in QL Today. Do you subscribe to that? No You see this is where I have a problem with all this. Here is someone who 'cannot justify the expense of

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Would you buy the buggy version, even if it were £20 less? The fix is usually to get the latest version. So someone was happy to sell Buggy versions for top dollar ! No software of any complexity is without bugs. QPC2's bugs

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread gwicks
- Original Message - From: Tarquin Mills To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product. Dilwyn Jones wrote: You'll probably get a free black eye from a p***ed off bored spotty teenager to match Geoff Wicks's

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], COLIN PARSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Ok, so if you had to solve the problem of producing a demo that would satisfy curiosity, but was limited in some way that would compell the thus satisfied punter to buy the product rather than just continuing to use the demo,

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread P Witte
David Tubbs writes: Really Per, I am surprised at your response ! Ooops! Have I put my mouth where my foot should have been? No, not really, not without being able to save config files etc. Ok, so if you had to solve the problem of producing a demo that would satisfy curiosity, but was

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread Jeremy Taffel
SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and thousands of sales? No! Where did you advertise this? I didn't know about it. It was sent out by email to the newsgroups, advertised

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread David Tubbs
At 11:48 22/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: I did not know the Quanta chairmanship fight was actual ;-), Surely not so, I thought he was a cert for the job. Transformation from rebel to house-trained seemed complete. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version:

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-22 Thread P Witte
Dilwyn Jones writes: So whats wrong with the demo version of QPC2? You can check out most of the new facilities and run most new programs. Enough to satisfy curiosity, I should think. No, not really, not without being able to save config files etc. A reminder here that there are

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
The only way, taking a leaf from Linux, that it is going to increase it's market penetration is if it is freely available for download, under a GNU license. This is a bullet that has to be bitten, if there is to be any future for the platform! Very encouraging discussion ... how many new

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread COLIN PARSONS
The only way, taking a leaf from Linux, that it is going to increase it's market penetration is if it is freely available for download, under a GNU license. This is a bullet that has to be bitten, if there is to be any future for the platform! Very encouraging discussion ... how many new

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I really cannot imagine that a price of 45 pounds is unaffordable. One visit to a restaurant with your family is likely to be more expensive. Bad example if you live in the US ;-) hehe (You can feed 4 for about $20... mind you not a fancy restaurant but a lot of food nonetheless...

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread pgraf
COLIN PARSONS wrote: The only way, taking a leaf from Linux, that it is going to increase it's market penetration is if it is freely available for download, under a GNU license. This is a bullet that has to be bitten, if there is to be any future for the platform! One can make money with

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
We're not competing with Linux or anything else - what we have is unique, thanks to many people. I'd say that EVERYBODY who puts time into QDOS/SMSQ does it because he likes it ... some do it for free, some don't, but isn't it up to them? This view fits in with what people tell me, that they

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
One can make money with free software also, but by adding value instead of charging for the rigths over the binaries. Added value can be: - Distribution packages (Disk/CD/DVD) - Handbooks and documentation - Commercial support (e.g. for those who bought the package/docs) - Provide

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread P Witte
Dilwyn Jones writes: One can make money with free software also, but by adding value instead of charging for the rigths over the binaries. Added value can be: - Distribution packages (Disk/CD/DVD) - Handbooks and documentation - Commercial support (e.g. for those who bought the

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread COLIN PARSONS
- Original Message - From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeremy Taffel writes: So, all I was saying is that I think that there could be a market beyond the one that seemingly (according to other emails) has reached saturation, and foolishly set myself up as a skinflint by offering myself

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