Re: [qmailtoaster] smtproutes and domainkeys, spf, srs

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
SRS and SPF can be used if your upstream isp publishes spf records. You can use the include statement (more info at openspf.org) to include their spf entries into your spf records. SBC, however, doesn't publish SPF records as Yahoo handles their infrastructure. The Qmail DomainKey implementation

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of scripts that you can use to keep the QT up to date. ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the QmailToaster up to date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't allowed to give out binary updates, so no yum. The wiki has an faq entry o

[qmailtoaster] Changing hostname of the server

2007-01-17 Thread Midhun Ramadas
Hi, Can anyone guide me how can I change the hostname of a live qmail server? In which all control files we need to make changes if I change the hostname? Thanks in advance, Midhun

[qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Kisakye Alex
Hello 1)I have been trying to install Toaster on Fedora Core 5! I have been getting the error below during installation! can any one point me in the right direction?? 2) There was a post earlier on the list on problems experienced while installing toaster on CentOS server install, was this

[qmailtoaster] Password fail

2007-01-17 Thread Wojciech Gabor
vpopmail[24367]: vchkpw-smtp: password fail (pass: '0b3acf566e0899014146fee9fa23f760') [EMAIL PROTECTED]:IP This connection is from scaner sending its work to email. In tutorial is only info that password is coded. Change to send password in plain text is not possible. How resolve it? -- Tup

Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting

2007-01-17 Thread Wojciech Gabor
Dnia wtorek, 16 stycznia 2007 09:43, Erik Espinoza napisał: > You may want to check this out: > > http://thomas.mangin.me.uk/software/qmail-greylist.html Simple and effective. THX Erik. -- System uptime: 41 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 days 9 hours 45 minuts

Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Wojciech Gabor wrote: > Dnia wtorek, 16 stycznia 2007 09:43, Erik Espinoza napisał: >> You may want to check this out: >> >> http://thomas.mangin.me.uk/software/qmail-greylist.html > > Simple and effective. > THX Erik. > WG, I take it you've had success with this? Would you care to elaborate some

[qmailtoaster] qtp-newmodel sandbox clarification

2007-01-17 Thread Dan Herbon
Just want to see if I understand this fully. The qtp-newmodel script builds the newest version into a "sandbox", once its successfully built and installed in the sandbox it will then proceed to install it outside the sandbox to the actual server? Sorry if this is confusing. Dan

Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Gabriel Lai
Check whether sendmail is already uninstalled from the system. issue this command: rpm -e sendmail --nodeps I have the same problem sometime due to sendmail havent uninstall - Original Message From: Kisakye Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Sent: Wednesda

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Dave
What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a kludge to keep automatically up to date. Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP and MySQL. (... Both i

Re: [qmailtoaster] Changing hostname of the server

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Midhun Ramadas wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone guide me how can I change the hostname of a live qmail > server? In which all control files we need to make changes if I change > the hostname? > > Thanks in advance, > Midhun # grep -R `hostname` /etc/* /var/qmail/* (note, those are back-quotes, not ap

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Steve Huff
On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Dave wrote: What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fict

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Dave
> > What exactly are the "licensing issues" that > prevent > > qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or > > Ubuntu disrabutions? > > http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html > Yeah... I saw that, but I am not sure what the implications of that are Seemingly you could distribute a binar

Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Kisakye Alex wrote: > Hello > > > > 1)I have been trying to install Toaster on Fedora Core 5! I have been > getting the error below during installation! can any one point me in the > right direction?? > > > > 2) There was a post earlier on the list on problems experienced while > installing

Re: [qmailtoaster] Password fail

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Wojciech Gabor wrote: > vpopmail[24367]: vchkpw-smtp: password fail > (pass: '0b3acf566e0899014146fee9fa23f760') [EMAIL PROTECTED]:IP > > This connection is from scaner sending its work to email. In tutorial is > only info that password is coded. That's a good thing. > Change to send password

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Steve Huff
On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Dave wrote: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html Yeah... I saw that, but I am not sure what the implications of that are Seemingly you could distribute a binary image... right? no; you may not distribute "a" binary image, you must distribute exactly "the" b

Re: [qmailtoaster] Error when trying to set a Domain Admin in VqAdmin. Anyone else seeing this? It is occuring on 2 new toaster installs. Thanks Ed

2007-01-17 Thread Ed Morrison
Erik Espinoza wrote: Have you tried using the command line? No I hadn't. Just did and it worked. Curious that the web interface didn't. Any thoughts? Can you send a list of installed packages? I performed a default install of the qmail-toaster: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rpm -qa *toast

Re: [qmailtoaster] qtp-newmodel sandbox clarification

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Dan Herbon wrote: > Just want to see if I understand this fully. The qtp-newmodel script > builds the newest version into a “sandbox”, Yes. > once its successfully built > and installed in the sandbox it will then proceed to install it outside > the sandbox to the actual server? Yes. Right befor

Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Vince Callaway
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:34 -0700, Eric "Shubes" wrote: > CentOS is a much better choice for a toaster distro than Fedora in terms of > stability. You'll have far fewer OS upgrades to do once it's up and > running, and you'll also run into fewer hurdles installing and upgrading the > toaster softw

Re: [qmailtoaster] simscan (simscan-toaster-1.3.1-1.3.3) segfaults

2007-01-17 Thread Warren (mailing lists)
Sorry, I have been out of the office for a few days. There is not much to post. /var/log/qmail/smtp/current gets this: @400045acd89036e2684c simscan: connect error 2 Running it gives this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] simscan]# /var/qmail/bin/simscan Segmentation fault Are there any other logs that I

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Dave wrote: > What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent > qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or > Ubuntu disrabutions? Steve has this right in his reply, TTBOMK. > I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a > kludge to keep automatically up to date. I'm the same

RE: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Kisakye Alex
Sendmail is installed Alex _ From: Gabriel Lai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:02 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors Check whether sendmail is already uninstalled from the system. issue this co

Re: [qmailtoaster] simscan (simscan-toaster-1.3.1-1.3.3) segfaults

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
The "connect error 2" message is simply a warning regarding the new P0F checking in simscan. The toaster does not (yet) implement a P0F daemon, so this feature is turned off. Add ,NOP0FCHECK="1" to your /etc/tcprules.d/tcp.smtp file (not needed on the 127. line) and the message will go away. (Don't

Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Vince Callaway wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:34 -0700, Eric "Shubes" wrote: >> CentOS is a much better choice for a toaster distro than Fedora in terms of >> stability. You'll have far fewer OS upgrades to do once it's up and >> running, and you'll also run into fewer hurdles installing and up

Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
yum install libtool-ltdl libtool-ltdl-devel Try again. Erik On 1/17/07, Kisakye Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello 1)I have been trying to install Toaster on Fedora Core 5! I have been getting the error below during installation! can any one point me in the right direction?? 2) Th

[qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread alex
Hi, I am not sure what the problem is and how to resolve it. I am hosting my company qmailtoaster server in the datacenter on an external ip, I also have some development machines inside the company behind the nat on internal ips. When an internal application sends email out to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Jean-Paul van de Plasse
Hi, Any messages in the logfiles (on both qmailtoaster server and development machines) What do you get when you telnet from the development machine to the qmailtoaster on port 25 and type something like helo mail from:[EMAIL PROTECTED] rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] data subject: test test . Simp

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
You can disable sender checking by adding the nat public IP to tcp.smtp with the RELAYCLIENT option On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I am not sure what the problem is and how to resolve it. I am hosting my company qmailtoaster server in the datacenter on an external

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
My mistake, that is SENDER_NO_CHECK="" and RELAYCLIENT="" On 1/17/07, Erik Espinoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can disable sender checking by adding the nat public IP to tcp.smtp with the RELAYCLIENT option On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am not sure wha

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
What JP says would certainly help. Given what you *have* said though, and making a few presumptions, I might have a fix for you. Since your internal machines are being nat'd, I'm thinking that the smtp sessions for these will appear to the toaster to be coming from the external address of the natt

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
ES, Only udp and icmp connections can be spoofed. The tcp handshake makes spoofing tcp impossible. The only way for such an attach to be feasible would be to hack a few different routers in between their link. At that point, they got bigger problems than an open relya. Erik On 1/17/07, Eric Sh

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Thanks for that insight, EE! I love it when I learn new stuff. (If I could only remember more of it!) :) Erik Espinoza wrote: > ES, > > Only udp and icmp connections can be spoofed. The tcp handshake makes > spoofing tcp impossible. > > The only way for such an attach to be feasible would be to

[qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Philip Nix Guru
Hello EE would it be possible to integrate the tcpserver-limits-patch into the ucspi-tcp-toaster ? It is pretty useful to have MAXLOAD MAXCONNIP MAXCONNC & DIEMSG in the tcp.smtp cdb file I am already doing that trough my iptables setup but it could be useful Thx -Philip

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Jean-Paul van de Plasse
Hi Philip, Just curious but what good does it do when you can allready do this with iptables? When I changed ucspi-tcp-toaster last week I figured they were not very usefull.. Regards, JP - Original Message - From: "Philip Nix Guru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, Janua

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread alex
Thank you for all the replys. Eric, you are right. The toaster is seeing my internal localhost sendmail session as coming from the public nat ip. My next question is, am i adding the tcp.smtp settings you mentioned to be able to use mail.company.com from my internal app behind nat to send mail thr

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Philip Nix Guru
Hi JP I was just thinking in a general setup. Not everyone knows how to set iptables. And I often see spammers connecting to some of my smtps with 30-40 connections (at least trying ..) :) that would easily get your server down for your customers, the max concurrencyincoming wont allow any new c

Re: [qmailtoaster] smtproutes and domainkeys, spf, srs

2007-01-17 Thread Trung Pham
So in my case, I am forwarding my mail through Yahoo. I should not bother setting up SPF, SRS, and Domainkeys since I won't see any benefit at all. Supposed if I handle my own outbound email and setup all those features properly. Do you think Yahoo will still put my mails in the Bulk folder? Anot

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
While doing this w/ iptables is certainly doable, I'd like to see a simple way of handling it with the toaster too. The patch would be nice (imho). Philip Nix Guru wrote: > Hi JP > I was just thinking in a general setup. > Not everyone knows how to set iptables. > And I often see spammers connecti

Re: [qmailtoaster] smtproutes and domainkeys, spf, srs

2007-01-17 Thread Vince Callaway
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 14:30 -0800, Trung Pham wrote: > So in my case, I am forwarding my mail through Yahoo. I should not bother > setting up SPF, SRS, and Domainkeys since I won't see any benefit at all. EVERYONE should use SPF. Forwarding mail through yahoo does not negate the benefits. My own

Re: [qmailtoaster] smtproutes and domainkeys, spf, srs

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Vince Callaway wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 14:30 -0800, Trung Pham wrote: >> So in my case, I am forwarding my mail through Yahoo. I should not bother >> setting up SPF, SRS, and Domainkeys since I won't see any benefit at all. > > EVERYONE should use SPF. > > Forwarding mail through yahoo doe

Re: [qmailtoaster] smtproutes and domainkeys, spf, srs

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Trung, Is your toaster on a dynamic or static IP address? Trung Pham wrote: > So in my case, I am forwarding my mail through Yahoo. I should not bother > setting up SPF, SRS, and Domainkeys since I won't see any benefit at all. > > Supposed if I handle my own outbound email and setup all those fea

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Jean-Paul van de Plasse
I could not agree more on this. Will do this today! JP - Original Message - From: "Eric "Shubes"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch While doing this w/ iptables is certainly doable, I'd like to see a

Re: [qmailtoaster] smtproutes and domainkeys, spf, srs

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
SPF will not work in this case. Reread my earlier email. Yahoo doesn't publish records for one to include. In addition DK usually fails when you use a smarthost. On 1/17/07, Eric Shubes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Trung, Is your toaster on a dynamic or static IP address? Trung Pham wrote: > So i

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Jake Vickers
Dave wrote: What exactly are the "licensing issues" that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a kludge to keep automatically up to date. Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP and MySQL

Re: [qmailtoaster] Error when trying to set a Domain Admin in VqAdmin. Anyone else seeing this? It is occuring on 2 new toaster installs. Thanks Ed

2007-01-17 Thread Jake Vickers
Ed Morrison wrote: Erik Espinoza wrote: Have you tried using the command line? No I hadn't. Just did and it worked. Curious that the web interface didn't. Any thoughts? VQAdmin has been lame for a while now. It's released by Inter7 who is no longer doing any support/development for it. They

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
Hey JP, Please ensure that the patch defaults to the original behavior of the QmailToaster if no settings are added to the tcp.smtp. I don't want to accept a patch that changes the default behavior of the default install. Thanks, Erik On 1/17/07, Jean-Paul van de Plasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Jean-Paul van de Plasse
Hey Erik, Thats the only way I would do this.. :) JP - Original Message - From: "Erik Espinoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch Hey JP, Please ensure that the patch defaults to the original behav

Re: [qmailtoaster] spam on the wiki?

2007-01-17 Thread Jake Vickers
Vince Callaway wrote: On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 13:26 -0500, South Computers wrote: Was browsing the wiki this morning, noticed various casino related sites on the help page of the wiki... I assume this is spam? I hope so, because I delete them when I run across them. While I'm thin

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Dave
Thank you for the explanation... :) I do have some specific config questions, but I'll read through the wiki first. Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that shows how to configure things like log rotation, mailbox quotas, auto-updates of signatures, etc... plus what ever else is nee

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Jake Vickers
Dave wrote: Thank you for the explanation... :) I do have some specific config questions, but I'll read through the wiki first. Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that shows how to configure things like log rotation, mailbox quotas, auto-updates of signatures, etc... plus what ev

Re: [qmailtoaster] tcpserver-limits-patch

2007-01-17 Thread Philip Nix Guru
Hi JP I was just thinking in a general setup. Not everyone knows how to set iptables. And I often see spammers connecting to some of my smtps with 30-40 connections (at least trying ..) :) that would easily get your server down for your customers, the max concurrencyincoming wont allow any new c

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Dave
Thanks for pointers Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section on the wiki? -- David --- Jake Vickers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave wrote: > > Thank you for the explanation... :) > > > > I do have some specific config questions, but I'll > > read through the wiki first. > >

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Jake Vickers
Dave wrote: Thanks for pointers Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section on the wiki? No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do you have any suggestions to help us get started? Thanks. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thank you for all the replys. Eric, you are right. The toaster is seeing > my internal localhost sendmail session as coming from the public nat ip. Lucky guess. ;) > My next question is, am i adding the tcp.smtp settings you mentioned to be > able to use mail.company.co

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
That would be great! Care to write one? Dave wrote: > Thanks for pointers > > Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section > on the wiki? > > -- David > > > --- Jake Vickers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Dave wrote: >>> Thank you for the explanation... :) >>> >>> I do have som

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Eric \"Shubes\"
Jake Vickers wrote: > Dave wrote: >> Thanks for pointers >> >> Perhaps there should be a "post install guide" section >> on the wiki? >> > No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do > you have any suggestions to help us get started? > Thanks. Aw, cm'on Jake. ;) I'

Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Accepting mail from local mail servers

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
Question is, why is the toaster at company.com rejecting the message? I'm not quite sure. A look at /var/log/qmail/smtp/current on the toaster should tell. I'm curious to know exactly why the message is failing (I'm still learning this stuff too!). In any case, the changes to tcp.smtp should give

[qmailtoaster] SMTP connection failed all of a sudden

2007-01-17 Thread Yi-Lei Wu
Hi list, My Qmail server was working fine until 2 days ago I suddenly couldn't connect to the SMTP service externally. The service is running, and I can connect from localhost. At first I thought it's a firewall issue and I turned off firewall as well as iptables. However, the same thing is still

Re: [qmailtoaster] compile errors

2007-01-17 Thread Gabriel Lai
Hi Alex, try removing sendmail: command: rpm -e sendmail --nodeps then try running the script again I've the same problem before. - Original Message From: Kisakye Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 12:21:50 AM Subject:

Re: [qmailtoaster] SMTP connection failed all of a sudden

2007-01-17 Thread Bill Kwok
Hi Peter, 1. Please check if your /var/qmail/control/blacklists contains any obsolete servers and make sure they can respond to you wihtin a resonable time. You can also minimize your blacklist. Currently, I have only one entry: -r zen.spamhaus.org 2. If you connect to the email ser

Re: [qmailtoaster] SMTP connection failed all of a sudden

2007-01-17 Thread Yi-Lei Wu
Hi Bill, Thank you so much for your help. Apparently it's related to issue #1 you mentioned. The server could not find the blacklist server, and this is still due to the earthquake's damage of lines in Asia. It also could not find zen.spamhaus.org Oh well, nevertheless I cleared out the blackli

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Dave
> > No reason there can't be. I just can't think of > what to put in it. Do > > you have any suggestions to help us get started? > > Thanks. > Hmm As a new user, I guess even after the install guides, I would still view the system as a fresh "OS-esque" install Given that most users a

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
Hi Dave, There are projects about Network ACL's (IPTables), System backups (Amanda), Daemon Lockdowns (Bastille) and so on. In addition there are plenty of books on the subject matter. That said I mean absolutely no offense to anyone by this next comment. This community isn't here to teach you (o

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Dave
Hi Erik, > > We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get > me wrong, this > community always goes above and beyond to help out a > straggled user, > but come on . . . > > My apologies if anyone is offended. > No offense taken The impressive amount of customization and packagin

Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?

2007-01-17 Thread Erik Espinoza
For that we have the QmailToaster Virtual Appliance for VMware Server/Player/Workstation. :) Erik On 1/17/07, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Erik, > > We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get > me wrong, this > community always goes above and beyond to help out a > straggled u

[qmailtoaster] reason: 554 : Relay access denied / Returned mail: see transcript for details

2007-01-17 Thread Harry Zink
At this point, this problem is really paralizing, so I implore anyone for some help and assistance. Okay, this is a repeat, and a renewed effort to try to get to the bottom of this - I am starting to believe that there is something screwed up on my qmail toaster, as this odd behavior seems