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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:17:55 -0400
From: j...@gtagolfers.com
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Speaking of "delete" :-)
TFlan, how's "she who must be obeyed"?
Tom Flanagan wrote
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
With all due respect Robert I think you are missing the point. The
thread was not about a question, although it was worded in such a
form. It was a discussion about lob wedges & other clubs and the
merits of
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
With all due respect Robert I think you are missing the point. The thread
was not about a question, although it was worded in such a form. It was a
discussion about lob wedges & other clubs and the merits of
So, Jen, doing anything later?
TFlan
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:47:57 -0400
From: j...@gtagolfers.com
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
With all due respect Robert I think you are missing the point. The
thread was not about a question
With all due respect Robert I think you are missing the point. The
thread was not about a question, although it was worded in such a form.
It was a discussion about lob wedges & other clubs and the merits of
them and not something where there is a right or wrong position or
something needing
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From: Mark A Patton
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Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 3:38:45 PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Wow, are we talking FitChip again?
Only every been 2 people that went on ignore. Both are g
: Dave Tutelman
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Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 2:24:29 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
At 07:23 AM 9/2/2009, Allen Humphrey wrote:
> fwiwwhen I caddied and parked cars at the original Cedarbrook CC-Mt
> A
Hah. Yeah, Bozman was terrific. Too bad he's gone. Last I heard he was an EMT
perhaps on some fire department? Not sure of that though. Anyway, it was fun
reading his skewers.
TFlan
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> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
> Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible
2, 2009 2:05 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Patrick Kelley
wrote:
Shame
Gee - time for a time-out, people?
-Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:05 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Patrick Kelley
wrote:
> Shame
Gee - time for a time-out, people?
-D
tember 02, 2009 4:10 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Patrick,
Your observations and comments are not only inaccurate, but also very
inappropriate. Of course,
this is merely MY opinion and I don't necessarily expect you or any other
reader to agre
wrote:
From: Patrick Kelley
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:06 AM
Shame
You hack people here on an almost daily basis - your crass, underhanded insults
reak of a career politician.
The only shame is th
At 07:23 AM 9/2/2009, Allen Humphrey wrote:
fwiwwhen I caddied and parked cars at the original Cedarbrook
CC-Mt Airy,PA [Cheltenham Ave and Limekiln Pike ] in the early-mid
50s, [ Jerry Barber was Pro there in 1951 ] the silent owners were
involved with the Phila mafiaLOL
FWIW Al
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Patrick Kelley wrote:
> Shame
Gee - time for a time-out, people?
-Dave
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Today the LW was the only one of my wedges working properly. My
partial swings with SW and PW were pretty inconsistent. That was
sudden. Yesterday they were spot-on; I was pin-hunting with them all
day. Oh well, it's a nice day today. Wedge practice in the afternoon
sounds like fun.
About Ced
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Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:56:42 PM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
I assume you're talking about me, and what a shame. The one thing about this
forum that's really great is that there has never been any personal slams
against any other contrib
, nor do I have Down
Syndrome. Nor for that matter, do I think I'm right and know everything. I just
opine. You may agree or disagree, but there's no need to cast aspersions, slurs
or insults.
TFlan
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From: The Kelley's
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Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 7:09:13 AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
It's not possible to 'consistently' spin the ball we
ssage-
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Behalf Of Dave Tutelman
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:25 AM
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
At 11:58 PM 9/1/2009, The Kelley's wrote:
>We'll a
At 11:58 PM 9/1/2009, The Kelley's wrote:
We'll agree that the preferred shot is 'normal' ball position for a given
yardage (whatever that is based on your swing and equipment - normal for me
is about at my belt buckle, maybe 1" forward of that, tops). I'll debunk
the idea that it's easy to fan
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Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:15 PM
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
At 10:19 PM 9/1/2009, The Kelley's wrote:
>Maybe
At 10:19 PM 9/1/2009, The Kelley's wrote:
Maybe I'm 'out there', but last I checked it's much easier to position the
ball back in your stance and hit it lower with a specific club rather than
putting it up in your stance and fan it open, while fighting the bounce and
the fact that you fundamental
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From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Tutelman
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:08 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Well, I went almost two rounds without touching t
Well, I went almost two rounds without touching the LW. (That's not
atypical.) Then I used it twice at the end of today's round:
(#17) Flew the green into fairly heavy rough. The green runs away,
and I short-sided myself. About 10ft to carry the rough, a foot or
two of fairway cut, then 10ft d
x27;N') is working fantastic
for me. This shaft has displaced an Ozik tp-7 (x) which I was playing in
the R9.
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Behalf Of Harry F. Schiestel
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:08 PM
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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:54 PM
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
just goes to prove my point I had a different opinion and I got chastised
for it. you couldn'
s Harry
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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:16 PM
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
7:04:32 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
It's called a discussion, Robert, not a search for agreement.
If you're distressed over the remarks then click on delete. No doubt
you'll be a happier camper then.
TFlan
Robert Devino wrote:
By
>the way why
It's called a /discussion,/ Robert, not a search for agreement. If
you're distressed over the remarks then click on delete. No doubt you'll
be a happier camper then.
TFlan
Robert Devino wrote:
By the way why does every one on this board have to agrre on things.
This thread has been goin
nt: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:26:40 AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
All I'm saying is - practice with different clubs. And re; fishing, sure some
clubs and some lures work sometimes. My tackle boxes - I have 3, are filled
with spinners, plugs, worms, spoons, hundreds
All I'm saying is - practice with different clubs. And re; fishing, sure some
clubs and some lures work sometimes. My tackle boxes - I have 3, are filled
with spinners, plugs, worms, spoons, hundreds of flies, stink bait,
marshmallows in red, yellow, green and orange, and just about any other d
>Several guys here have said that using the 60 or even 64 degree wedges
>requires a lot of practice. Why not just practice with the 56 and 58 degree
>clubs - or even (gasp!) a 9 iron? I spent a lot of hours practicing 8 and 9
>irons for lob shots. That was a long time ago when I was a kid and d
Consider this;
Several guys here have said that using the 60 or even 64 degree wedges requires
a lot of practice. Why not just practice with the 56 and 58 degree clubs - or
even (gasp!) a 9 iron? I spent a lot of hours practicing 8 and 9 irons for lob
shots. That was a long time ago when I was
ng he gets a 7. Hell, I made
13 on a hole one time during a tournament. Multiple penalty strokes, but still
had to post 7.
TFlan
From: mapat...@cfl.rr.com
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:42:14 -0400
3
sanity LOL.
Mark
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:33 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Right you are, TFlan!
My
3 OB and give me a 7 ?
Mark
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Behalf Of Tom Flanagan
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:25 PM
To: shoptalk
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
You are
Alan,
I think one of the keys is "the favorite club" that you mentioned.
Confidence is an incredible thing.
I play with an 18 handicap whose favorite full club
around the green is a 65 degree wedge. He'll be 40 to 50 yards
away, take a full "windup" and an all out swing and drop the ball rig
x27;s a damn sight easier to chip closer to the hole
with one than it is to chip with a lofted club.
TFlan
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:08:14 -0700
> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
> From: alan.bro...@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
>
> We talk
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From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Tutelman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:33 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Right you are, TFlan!
My LW is for popping it just over the
how we all can
get psychologically dependent on "higher-tech" clubs today!!?? HA!!
TOM
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:33 PM
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Subje
I'm thinking of using my 60 deg in longdrive
competitions. I can hit it about 200 yards, 3
feet off the ground with very little spin when
just off the green, might as well put that
distance to good use off the tee.
John
shoptalk
Can a golfer hate an inanimate object like a
golf club? I hate
A few years ago I was taking lessons in an effort to improve my game
(got down to a 4.8 index whoo hoo).
At that time when I was 100 yards out I would fire up my ego and
crank 60 LW hard. I could hit it 100 yards no problem but never
straight. I would be left 15 yards or right 10 yards.
Right you are, TFlan!
My LW is for popping it just over the bunker to a narrow green. (Did
that twice yesterday.) Not primarily for flying that tall tree
between me and the green.
I count on hitting my PW 105yd and my SW 90. But I can get those
distances 80-90% of the time -- that's what I me
OK, got it now.
Thanks,
DaveT
At 09:25 PM 8/27/2009, Tom Flanagan wrote:
You are perhaps familiar with the term "vanity handicap"? Hard to
believe but this guy's one of them. I played with him today . . .
adjusted 96 posted. "Gimme a 7, that's all I can take" was the
mantra on several holes.
rds Mr Kelley at all. It's just that
the overwhelming majority of golfers can barely hit a PW 100 yds. And most
can't hit a 60 degree at all with any consistency.
TFlan
> From: kellc...@bellsouth.net
> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
> Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a
You are perhaps familiar with the term "vanity handicap"? Hard to believe but
this guy's one of them. I played with him today . . . adjusted 96 posted.
"Gimme a 7, that's all I can take" was the mantra on several holes. Sure, you
can massage numbers all day, but at the end of that day, this par
27, 2009 5:59 PM
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
At 02:57 PM 8/27/2009, Kevil, L H. wrote:
>A very interesting discussion, guys. Are you all referring to full shots
>only and not half shots, chips, or sand shots? Just speaking personally,
>I h
At 02:57 PM 8/27/2009, Kevil, L H. wrote:
A very interesting discussion, guys. Are you all referring to full shots
only and not half shots, chips, or sand shots? Just speaking personally,
I have better success - OK, less failure - with those shots than with a
full lober.
Speaking only for mysel
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From: Jeremy Ingle
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:28:07 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
After 4 years of persevering with my Lob wedge ,determined to master the Phil
it is to ensure a solid face impact
> to make the club work as designed.
>
>
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> TOM
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> -Original Message-
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> *On Behalf Of *Tom Flanagan
> *Sent:* Thursday,
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On Behalf Of Dave Tutelman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:43 PM
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Hi, TFlan!
I agree with you and TW that a lob wedge is usually a game-hurter
rather
Hi, TFlan!
I agree with you and TW that a lob wedge is usually a game-hurter
rather than a game-helper. No matter what Pelz says. What is the fly
in the ointment about the Pelz advice? PRACTICE!
As y'all know (from your own business experience), people want to buy
a game, not earn one. My two
ubject: RE: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
TFLAN
Some time ago there was a thread on our Clubmakers’
Forum on our web site that was titled “Lob Wedge Hater’s Club”.
The thread garnered a lot of posts from clubmakers saying pretty much the same
thing you have here!
The main reason so
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Behalf Of Tom Flanagan
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM
To: shoptalk
Subject: ShopTalk: Is it possible to hate a club?
Can a golfer hate an inanimate object like a golf club? I hate my 60 degree
wedge. Hate it! Ever since that Pelz guy popular
Can a golfer hate an inanimate object like a golf club? I hate my 60 degree
wedge. Hate it! Ever since that Pelz guy popularized the 4 wedge concept, I've
lost more strokes than I've gained. What's the point of a 60 degree club if you
already have a 56 or a 58 in the bag? Open the 58 two degree
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