Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread M. G. Devour
I wrote: Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid. Indi replies: Yes well, the idea that we actually make containers which contain only H2O and

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Dee
I don't think I did. You said that neither can be proved one way or the other, but I have proved beyond any shadow of doubt that EIS works, as have you and thousands of others! Totally different to religion. dee Neville wrote: You totally missed my point, which was that anything can be

CSAnecdotal versus laboratory testing methods

2008-10-20 Thread Dee
I had a thought about this. Didn't the latter come about because it became somewhat 'undesirable' to test things actually on people? In the early days when things like bella donna and arsenic were used, they must have tested the doses on people in order to decide what were the beneficial

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
My problem with you, dude is that you claim I'm speaking in absolutes when I clearly stated being within observational limits, which NO ONE isn't. There are no absolutes with observation.anywhere. But somehow there ARE absolutes without it? Not being able to detect a change indicates no

CSCASH. I am just passing this on

2008-10-20 Thread Faith Gagne
This advice hasn't changed for at least the past 6 months, and probably much longer, except that it is now more urgent. Faith G. Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Weiss Research's Emergency QA - Transcript Money and Markets Monday, October 20, 2008

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:09:32 -0400 Starshar stars...@comcast.net wrote: Anyway, thanks for pointing out my misstatements. I will be more careful about that in the future. Not sure if you read the whole discussion though, as there was a lot of email I never got the last couple of days and

Re: CSMeasuring IS Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
At 12:54 PM 10/18/2008 -0400, you wrote: One Degree or 10, is not worth a nickle for arriving at the ppm of CS. That's very silly. CS is a physical substance, and there are known methods which are quite precise. And a Chemist cannot usually operate the huge combination of

Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious

2008-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
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Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp Interesting! Your Type is INTJ Strength of the preferences % Introverted 67 Intuitive 50 Thinking 62 Judging 1 http://keirsey.com/handler.aspx?s=keirseyf=fourtempstab=5c=mastermindINTJ

Re: CSAnecdotal versus laboratory testing methods

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:29:47 +0100 Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: I had a thought about this. Didn't the latter come about because it became somewhat 'undesirable' to test things actually on people? In the early days when things like bella donna and arsenic were used, they must have tested

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Ruth Bertella
Wow... now we are crazy, irresponsible, loonies because we believe in CS?!?! Proof or no proof, WHO CARES... WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? I mean, geez... you're getting results from CS so I'd assume that you have gotten proof as to what's in the CS you are taking? If so, could you kindly

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
M. G. Devour wrote: Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid. Carbonic acid. Then the ionic silver reacts with that and produces silver carbonate. If

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:49:16 -5 M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: I wrote: Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid. Indi replies: Yes

CSOlder CS

2008-10-20 Thread Ruth Bertella
Hey Faith, I have used my homemade CS I had stored for 4+ years and it has worked as well as my freshly made CS. I do this once in a while to try to see how long the effectiveness lasts, and to rotate my stock so to speak. For what it's worth, my old stuff worked as well as the fresh did for

CSCS DATA

2008-10-20 Thread Ruth Bertella
Re: CSblue moons revisited From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Ode provided his information and test methodology and I think that is sufficient for one to understand and evaluate the data. -

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ruth Bertella
LOL and welcome to the loony bin!!! Ruth From: Indi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Maybe part of my discomfort lies in the fact that I've become one of the people I used to poke fun at, LOL. Cheers,

Re: CSOlder CS

2008-10-20 Thread Faith Gagne
Hi Ruth. Yes, your message helps a lot. I was beginning to worry, not that I've had any CS around for 4 years, nor even 1 year. Thanks a lot for your input.These discussions are good, and I believe, necessary. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Ruth Bertella

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:39:24 -0500 Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: Wow... now we are crazy, irresponsible, loonies because we believe in CS?!?! Proof or no proof, WHO CARES... WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WHY ALL THE CAPS, LOL? Seriously, it may make a vast difference if one

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
One thing at a time. You have claimed that sunlight turns silver ions into particles after the process is complete. No, I never said that at all. I mentioned getting rid of ions by allowing solution to sit in the sun. ## THERE..you just said it...again. I also never claimed to have

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Ode Coyote
PPM and color..one of those theories taken as gospel that holds no water. Particle size and colorincomplete. Not this or that, but this and that. ode At 07:56 AM 10/19/2008 +1030, you wrote: Hi there Faith, I have both an EC/TDS blah blah meter and a, 'supposedly', ppm meter. The

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:46:30 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Carbonic acid. Then the ionic silver reacts with that and produces silver carbonate. If there happens to be a lightning storm around, then there will be oxides of nitrogen in the air that get absorbed as well,

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Ruth Bertella
Sorry for the caps if it was offensive to anyone. This IS a community of caring individuals otherwise we wouldn't be privy to the vast knowledge and testing from several individuals on this list. The intellects (and us not-so-intellects) of this list DO care very much about the well-being of

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread Marshall Dudley
indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:46:30 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Carbonic acid. Then the ionic silver reacts with that and produces silver carbonate. If there happens to be a lightning storm around, then there will be oxides of nitrogen in the air that get

RE: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Dan Nave
Hey Steve, I understood that... Dan ;-)) From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:59:14 -0500 Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: Sorry for the caps if it was offensive to anyone. No, not offensive. It did make me laugh, though. :) This IS a community of caring individuals otherwise we wouldn't be privy to the vast knowledge and testing

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:06:47 -0400 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Any arcing, whether from the HVAC or from lightning, will product nitrous oxide and nitric oxide. The amounts in air are minute from lightning, but can be quite high concentration if produced in arcing

Re: CSAnecdotal versus laboratory testing methods

2008-10-20 Thread Dee
Yes this corruption was highlighted when the tobacco industries (who funded the trials) told us all that tobacco was actually *good* for us! dee indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:29:47 +0100 Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: In fact, your question is surely more relevant to most of

CSLab test, age, etc.

2008-10-20 Thread Paula
Good post, Dee. I did my own 'unscientific' test. As a newbie, I read all of the stuff about storage, colored glass, storing in a cupboard out of light, etc. I put some CS from one of my first batches in a small, clear, glass jar w/a metal lid and set it in a sunny window. It was there

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:11:33 -0500 Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: Thanks, Ruth. :) LOL and welcome to the loony bin!!! Ruth From: Indi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: CSblue moons revisited Maybe part of

Re: CSLab test, age, etc.

2008-10-20 Thread Dee
thanks Paula. As far as I'm concerned, I have used CS for a couple of years now and have introduced many people to it. We all have had spectacular results. I have used it on my dogs too and my friends dogs, and animals can't be fooled into thinking they are well when they aren't. This to

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Neville, I have been out of town for 3 days, and you are getting ahead. grin At 11:54 AM 10/18/2008, you wrote: One Degree or 10, is not worth a nickle for arriving at the ppm of CS. That's very silly. CS is a physical substance, and there are known methods which are quite

CSblue moon Types, ??

2008-10-20 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Steve, At 12:21 PM 10/18/2008, you wrote: Interesting message and almost funny. I apologize iin advance for getting in this issue but are you familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MTBI)? While you cannot determine someones personality type from postings you can get some

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:13:43 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: Howdy Wayne, Not one Scientist or chemist or CS maker can measure the ppm, with a TWO BIT EC Meter. ( Even the instrument manufactures tell you that, .. no ppm meter exists ) Unless, they

Re: CSblue moon Types, ??

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:27:50 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: I know which Rooster can pull a Wagon, Before I hitch him up. I wish I could get a rooster to pull a wagon, that would be a lot cheaper than putting gas in my tractor! indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum

Re: CSMeasuring IS Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:42:59 -0400 Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: If all you have is silver, water and it's various combinations, That's rather large if, and you keep choosing to ignore it. If one proceeds to build a mountain of logic upon a fragile premise one can create quite a

Re: CSMeasuring IS Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:15:00 -0400 indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:42:59 -0400 Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: If all you have is silver, water and it's various combinations, That's rather large if, and you keep choosing to ignore it. If one

RE: CSblue moon Types, ??

2008-10-20 Thread Norton, Steve
Wayne, I got close on one out of two. Hate to risk that record but ESTP for you? Why funny? It was clear to me that Indi and Ode have strong but different personalities. Ode is a strong intuitive and Indi needs hard facts. Indi will never be satisfied with intuitive reasoning and Ode sees no need

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing Quote: [If CS becomes popular enough, we will see Big Pharma improving on it with proprietary manufacturing processes and

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
Hi there Wayne, hope you enjoyed your 3 day fishing trip g Hey, I hope there are two Nevilles here, either that or you're under the mistaken belief I am posting these quotes you keep assigning to me. g I can get into enough trouble on my own thanks very much, without the assistance of

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread indi
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:33:08 +1030 Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com wrote: - Original Message - From: indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing Quote: [If CS becomes popular enough, we

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
Yeah well I got to be honest with you Ode, I've listened and read a lot from many sources so from a personal perspective I've needed to put all that together with what I have experienced myself. Precision doesn't seem to be an option for me with CS, 'guides' and 'ranges' tend to satisfy me for

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Wayne Fugitt
Evening Neville, At 04:18 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote: Hey, I hope there are two Nevilles here, either that or you're under the mistaken belief I am posting these quotes you keep assigning to me. g I can get into enough trouble on my own thanks very much, without the assistance of others! bg

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:33:08 +1030 Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com wrote: - Original Message - From: indi

Re: CSConscious vs the Unconscious

2008-10-20 Thread cking001
Hmmm... All prayers are answered; doubt cancels prayer; worry is prayer for things you don't want. - Don Hamerling Chuck What is the definition of endless love? Stevie Wonder Ray Charles playing tennis! On 10/20/2008

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
- Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing Evening Neville, At 04:18 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote: Hey, I hope there are two Nevilles here, either that or you're under

Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing

2008-10-20 Thread cking001
Hmmm... Is indi in reality Mike Monet? Sounds like him. Remember? Chuck de ja fu - The feeling that somewhere, somehow you've been hit in the head like this before. On 10/20/2008 12:39:02 PM, indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread cking001
One of the high voltage methods used involved an arc being drawn just above the water surface by one of the electrodes. This was found to result in nitric acid being formed. Not really a good thing to ingest regularly. Good design alleviated this. One way was to use a CO2 blanket in the

Re: CSblue moons revisited

2008-10-20 Thread Neville
I think you may still misunderstand me Dee. My comments were in reference to the 'to and fro' discussion, or 'argument' if one wishes to view it that way, between indi and ode. Hope this has cleared it up. N. - Original Message - From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To:

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread indi
Thanks. I imagine it'd be hard to ingest much of that without knowing something wasn't quite right. Anyway, I am careful to avoid arcing. BTW, I am a woman named Indulekha Sharpe, not some guy named Mike Monet. Cheers, indi On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:02:38 -0400 cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: One

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread cking001
Cool, interesting first name. For all I know, Mike's a female too. You would have liked discussions with him/her. Chuck Peace through superior firepower On 10/20/2008 7:36:29 PM, indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: BTW, I am a woman named Indulekha

Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...

2008-10-20 Thread Malcolm
Well and good! Mike Monet was an interesting and knowledgeable electrical engineer, with an enquiring mind and good math skills, was sometimes upset when people didn't see it his way (the ONLY way). You are pushing for the opposite, in that you recognize humans, and the conditions in/by which