Steve Meyer wrote:
Where we going with this thread?
F3B has done a nice job of creating an equal launch environment. A big
part of F3B is getting a good launch. Many people would not be able to
launch properly from an F3B winch. If you can't launch well from a
standard TD winch you will ha
y & have some fun before the snow starts
coming!
FWIW - My $.02
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Where we going with this thread?
L
Where we going with this thread?
Limiting the height of a launches by either limiting power of winch or line
length?
Is this to even the playing field? No big planes? Or to just limit the
Big Plane Race? No bigger or stronger planes. Light planes only, planes
that do not pull hard or launch
At 06:02 AM 10/2/2004, you wrote:
You would have a set of weak links at each winch with rings attached and
loops already tied. Just slip the loop thru chute ring and over the weak
link ring and you are ready to fly. Can't take more than 5 seconds.
John<<
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Actually, more likely is it will just slow down the contest, replacing
the weak links. As I said, it's not the line that's the problem, it's
the motor
ize the launch strength.
John
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The correct way to limit launches is on the motor side, not on the
line s
Flew off of one about 30 years ago and it was set to 40 pounds. I loved it
as my Camano could do a full pedal on it and I got the best launches I ever
did with that plane (no wind if I remember). Can't quite remember who built
it.
About 10 years ago I made a proposal in RCSD about having classe
Tim Bennett wrote:
I agree with Michael. The motor side is the place to limit pull on the
winch line, if that is what is desired.
There is a simple technique that I have heard has been tried with some
success in the past. It involves mounting the winch on a spring loaded
pivoting device that elect
ne has the same test week link and if you break it you fly it. That
would standardize the launch strength.
John
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> The correct way to limit launches is on the motor side, not on the
> line side. Broken lines just sl
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> The correct way to limit launches is on the mot
The correct way to limit launches is on the motor side, not on the
line side. Broken lines just slow down contests and make everyone
unhappy.
The only way to avoid line breaks from the normal wear and tear on the
line across the field is to go to the 280-300 lb line.
Everyone loves more power
At 10:17 PM 9/30/2004, Jack Womack wrote:
The actual fact is that if you don't like the current
format, you're kind of screwed. Unfortunately, If you
have the nerve to speak against it, you get
stereotyped into the "landing whiner" category.
I'll repeat myself again for the "whiners".
1. Go get you
I almost hate to post this. In my opinion, to
eliminate the need for all that extra technology,
etc., you will need only to limit the launch line
strength. Make it 80 - 100 lbs. and zero the flight of
the second line break. That negates the wing strength
having to be so great. With a line strength
I am a newbie at this game, but I have assumed that if you shorten the
winch lines there will be even greater emphasis on energy retention
during the zoom and therefore planes will need to be even stronger,
stiffer, more aerodynamically slick which equals further development
which then equals d
Good points Daryl,
Another example is F3J, where we are measuring time to the hundreths and nearly
every competitor lands 95+ (with no skegs :) ). Check out the stats from the
Worlds. There is talk of dividing the points between 90 and 100 to provide more
discrimination. Landings are the only thi
So let me get this straight (as a scorekeeper kind of guy!).
In a MoM contest I have 5 pilots in the group.
Pilot 1: -1 sec 85 Landing
Pilot 2: -1 sec 80 Landing
Pilot 3: +3 sec 75 Landing
Pilot 4: +4 sec 95 Landing
Pilot 5: -4 sec 99 Landing
What are the scores?
How about the SWC where I pro
Would really REALLY like to, but cannot.
Tom
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Tom, next week at Muncie, the 2004 F3B Team Select. WILL YOU BE THERE ?
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After all this stuff that has been spewed about landing, flying, contests and such,
below is the secret to success of OVSS and midwest soaring. Yes, we have two contest
that do not do MOM, and all the rest use a more "normal" landing task and skegs. But
as Tom stated, we have a great time flyi
Tom, next week at Muncie, the 2004 F3B Team Select. WILL YOU BE THERE ?
Dave.
I do this at the SOAR OVSS "Fred" Contest each year:
1. Short (strong) lines: About 200 meters (650 ft) of 290 lb test
braided nylon line as used at the Nats;
2. FAI Landing tapes, added as bonus after FLIGHT scores are
normalized (1,100 points is perfect, landing is a 10% point bonus);
3. N
YES!! Bring it on!! F3B...F3B...F3B
Tom
New F3B guy
Jeff Steifel wrote:
You want to eliminate the landing or minimize it and have fun FLY
F3B!!!
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Yep, people are leaving the hobby
Yep, they arenot. Let's see, people are leaving soaring
and that's why Hitec, JR, MPX are creating even more sailplane specific
TX's. And why all the 'new' servos introduced by those and the other
Mfgr's are sailplane oriented..mounts, configurat
Sort of the same concept as the Royal Order of Thermal Wizards task, a
contest run within a contest where the Thermal Wizard attempts to get all
10mins, instead of the 3, 5,7,9, 10 tasks.
Check out Harlely M.s Website, its all there and of course the article
in a back issue of RC Soaring Dige
Rather than longer flight tasks, why not shorten the launch lines?
800'-1,000 ' lines seems like overkill with the planes we have today.
Can you fly day one at 700' and day two at 500'? Or would the plane
redesign just offset it?
Frank Jarratt
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Oh no, not the Contest Landing thread . . . next it'll be landing
arrestors and the downwind turn theory
OK, never chimed in on this topic but "been-there-done-that" since
the time of Doodlers and Monterrays so I can't resist:
1) Landing tasks add complexity to the duration and that makes
Anybody a free flighter in here and know anything about the Super Max? I
have a faint memory of reading an article about it the AMA magazine. Something
to do with overflying the max time and trying to reach a "super max" in the
first round (light morning air, etc.). If you don't reach the sup
As most of you know, I love data (no, NOT the android on Star Trek TNG!). So
here is some data. At the SC2 contest yesterday here are the times in
seconds off the total of 1,500 possible (5, 10, 10 min tasks):
Place - Time off - total landing
1 - 2 - 147
2 - 3 - 141
3 - 2 - 127
4 - 3 - 118
5 - 4 -
Who said anything about making it easier? I can land
with most competition pilots. I can certainly fly with
most competition pilosts. I don't want to make it
easier. I just want to de emphasize landings so that
someone can't make up 66 seconds like Tim Bennet
pointed out. I want to make it a soarin
Daryl,
You wrote:
"The only problem is we haven't lengthened the tasks to keep up with the increased
performance of our models."
Do you really think lengthening the tasks will really do much more than reducing the
number of rounds we fly rather than actually challenge our current equipment. O
"Tim Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "John Erickson"
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> Gotta be careful here guys. When trying to
> de-emphasize landings, we usua
Great points, Daryl,
The ESL seems to be slowly moving towards 5 foot, 50 point landing tapes.
They are relatively difficult, but the points are small enough to avoid
making it a "landing contest". This is especially true with the tasks
tending to get longer and longer. These days a 7 minute task
Gotta be careful here guys. When trying to
de-emphasize landings, we usually make some other
aspect of the task hyper-critical.
John, you're right on the money. Tim, doesn't sound
like you're a contest flyer. Guys who fly to 9:46's
don't win contests where I'm from.
Tim, in your scenario le
So let me get this straight (as a scorekeeper kind of guy!).
In a MoM contest I have 5 pilots in the group.
Pilot 1: -1 sec 85 Landing
Pilot 2: -1 sec 80 Landing
Pilot 3: +3 sec 75 Landing
Pilot 4: +4 sec 95 Landing
Pilot 5: -4 sec 99 Landing
What are the scores?
How about the SWC where I pro
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Su
Yep, people are leaving the hobby.
The numbers are down for golf too.
Does making the task easier keep the attraction? NO
Make things too easy and people lose interest as well.
People will lose interest because they want instant gratification.
You want to eliminate the landing or minimize it and ha
Those who don't understand why we have landings as part of sailplane
contest scoring should read The LSF Story by Scott Christensen. It can be
found in the History section of the LSF web site
(www.silentflight.org). He goes into great detail about why landings were
incorporated into flight sc
Have a CD license, run large contests, etc... I know
what they are like. I also know that we have folks
that are stone cold bored with the same old thing.
Like someone else posted, this has been this way since
1971 or longer. I left this hobby from shear boredom
in 1980 and just came back 4 years a
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