[RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange

2004-10-23 Thread David Schat
A letter writing campaign is only part of what the Rocket community did to battle the BAFTE regulating our rocket motors. The Rocket community has organizations like the AMA. Those folks coordinated the letter writing campaign so all members would send the letters in at about the same time. The

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2004-10-22 Thread regis
phony "semiautomatic assault rifle" issue ! H! You do belong to a militia, right? I guess I better get an automatic. What I really want are nukes. (I have the desire.) OK, this doesn't belong here. Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Studying the NRA as a

Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange

2004-10-22 Thread Thomas Koszuta
Sorry I said "NRA", but they were the first group I thought of - they are visible and fight hard against legislations. Anyway What is the plan? Letter writing campaigns? AMA infomercials? Bumper stickers? NPR? Public hangings? I propose that the next time we here about proposed leg

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2004-10-22 Thread Ben Diss
Speaking with Dave Mathewson, he believes AOPA is the right model. He's an active full scale pilot and member of AOPA so he understands their impact on general aviation. -Ben Martin Usher wrote: Studying the NRA as a "political model" is not a bad idea< I think the AOPA might be a better model

Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange

2004-10-21 Thread Jeff Gortatowsky
--- Ken Leamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It comes down to one thing. > If you Ignore government and not pay attention to what they do or say, you > lose. exactly. And be it guns or R/C Sailplanes, it will be gone. Frankly I don't own a gun... never have. But understand COMPLETELY the gun owner

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2004-10-21 Thread Ken Leamy
It comes down to one thing. If you Ignore government and not pay attention to what they do or say, you lose. One day you go to your favorite field to fly and there is someone with a uniform There to stop you you scratch your head and say what happened. Well if you paid attention and stood your grou

RE: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange

2004-10-21 Thread Howard Mark
y, October 21, 2004 9:20 AM To: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange >Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. We can't ignore politics because unfortunately it won't ignore us. I'd wholehartedly agree that bringing in the N

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2004-10-21 Thread Martin Usher
>Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. We can't ignore politics because unfortunately it won't ignore us. I'd wholehartedly agree that bringing in the NRA with all the baggage that entails isn't at all constructive but at the other extreme just pretending that government is going to look o

RE: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange

2004-10-21 Thread Howard Mark
AM To: Barry Andersen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange While I agree with Barry's premise that partisan politics (while at the same time sheepishly admitting to contributing to it in the past) are best discussed elsewhere, i

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2004-10-21 Thread Kevin Sheen
While I agree with Barry's premise that partisan politics (while at the same time sheepishly admitting to contributing to it in the past) are best discussed elsewhere, it would be foolish of us to ignore the effect of lobbying efforts in our represented republic. All three of the AMA presidenti

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2004-10-21 Thread Barry Andersen
Just a polite request to keep this sort of political rant off the exchange. There's plenty of venues for this stuff. Soaring should be a safe haven from politics. Enough Barry Andersen Studying the NRA as a "political model" is not a bad idea< And why not? I love to hear the NRA bashers rant

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2004-10-20 Thread Martin Usher
> > >Studying the NRA as a "political model" is not a bad idea< > I think the AOPA might be a better model. They appear to have an effective legislative program in place to protect general aviation from the excesses of government. Their interests overlap our interests so maybe the AMA should try t

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2004-10-20 Thread Denoferth
>Studying the NRA as a "political model" is not a bad idea< And why not? I love to hear the NRA bashers rant on about the effect we have on the government, our government. I and thousands like me ARE the NRA. Just private citizens who happen to believe that freedom IS protected by the private

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2004-10-20 Thread JIM EALY
> > We certainly could use a "Charlton Heston", but we don't need a "Smith and > Wesson"; we need a "Bill Ruger". > > Just my opinions. You are free to disagree. > EJ > > > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Koszuta&qu

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2004-10-20 Thread Howard Mark
OK - so who are YOU voting for as AMA president? More of the same - no action - head in the sand? Think about that. Mark This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain information that i

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2004-10-20 Thread Ed Jett
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models We need to fight every restriction, whether we agree with the restriction or not. "They" need to know that anytime they push a

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2004-10-20 Thread Thomas Koszuta
We need to fight every restriction, whether we agree with the restriction or not. "They" need to know that anytime they push against a model flyer we will all push back. Why do you think that it is legal to buy assault rifles again? Because NRA does not let any restriction go unprotested.

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2004-10-19 Thread Denoferth
>but the commander of Andrews AFB came to the conclusion that it was better to have concerned people (eyes and ears) around then not. (Especially now when are forces have been stretched so thin Andrews AFB has replaced the Air Police at the gates with civilian contract personnel). Many of the

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2004-10-18 Thread Matt Lydon
If I were interested in taking someone out via RC, I'd use one of the new jets with a true turbine, and an on-board video camera setup. At 200+ mph, I think it would be more effective. Not that I'd ever fly one - I prefer aerobatics and soaring to turning big looops and circles, which is just

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2004-10-18 Thread regis
Hi Keith, Are you back east yet? Everything you say is true but to borrow a prase from the NRA, if you ban model planes, only the terrorists will have r/c models. One of the clubs I belong to flies on the grounds of the Air Force Communications facility (antenna farm outside Washington, D.C.) t

Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models

2004-10-17 Thread Rick Van Clief
Really neat stuff here! Pardon the dumb question, but what kind of camera is used here? Thanks, and thanks for the clip. RVC At 10:31 PM 10/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: If you guys want to see a hard launch w/ camera on board go the this web site, and hold on http://193.215.54.10/jogrini/video/pik

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2004-10-17 Thread Keith McLellan
Martin,   Didn't mean to sound too serious in my previous reply, but it's just that I know what can be done with something like a model airplane, and I was really only responding to people's complaints about their model flying activities being curtailed temporarily when a security-sensitive

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2004-10-16 Thread Denoferth
> (BTW -- You might find a visit to Israel interesting -- its full of people trying to live ordinary, everyday, lives in a society that's got what could be the worst-case in day to day terror threats. The locals don't seem that paranoid.)< Probably due in no small measure to a government that

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2004-10-16 Thread JJ & MJ
t; Cc: "Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models > I was gona stay away from this topic and i think ill still only touch it and > run!!!, for too many reasons. > > >

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2004-10-16 Thread Richard Reynolds
I was gona stay away from this topic and i think ill still only touch it and run!!!, for too many reasons. > With a payload capacity of less than a pound its not going to be that > effective. There's also not that much room in the fuse for that payload, > especially if you want to keep the CG with

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2004-10-16 Thread Martin Usher
> You guys just don't get it. Since none of you seem to realize what someone > who has a mind to do can accomplish using an R/C model, and especially an > electric glider, I'll tell you. (Keith) Thanks. > You can easily use an electric glider as an accurate targeting > anti-personnel weapon Wit

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2004-10-16 Thread Albert E. Wedworth
Give me a break Keith.   Maby if you were Joe ( you know who ) and could land or crash within 3 feet of the target while standing way,way far away flying the plane.. I think not! No way.. Just my two cents. Al Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA  Capshaw  RealestateREALTOR- ASSOCIATECell  530-228-9

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2004-10-16 Thread John Derstine
time before we are regulated. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models You

[RCSE] Security issues and R/C models

2004-10-16 Thread Keith
You guys just don't get it. Since none of you seem to realize what someone who has a mind to do can accomplish using an R/C model, and especially an electric glider, I'll tell you. You can easily use an electric glider as an accurate targeting anti-personnel weapon, and it'd be very effective