At 12:50 PM 3/18/05, you wrote:
It does make things a little more fun doesn't it?
I am still waiting on my paperwork just to start level 1!!! 8-)
I got a question for you..how do you fly for 8 hours? Finding lift is the
easy part ;-)...
No really... got to go to the bathroom, eat or worse yet
In a message dated 3/17/2005 9:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey Bill...your a level 4?
After 8 hours on that slope for level five your second might leave too ;-).
That's why I got my wife flying a glider...but she also has more sense than
I do.
Yup, my wife can fly
In a message dated 3/17/2005 11:52:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My wife took away my checkbook
Don
My first wife didn't like model airplanes either.
Bill Grenoble
LSF 7558 IV
Hawksnest Soaring
Shermans Dale, PA
~Don
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Re: [RCSE] Skegs
In a message dated 3/17/2005 9:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey
Skegs
(skid type peg)and teeth...need them or not?
Does
it help you get those points?Forget it they are a hazard to fly
with!
Best
Regards,
Don
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From: Don
Lisa Copley
To: Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:07
PM
Subject: [RCSE] skegs and teeth
Skegs (skid type peg)and teeth...need them or
not?
Does
it help you get those points?Forget it they are a hazard to fly
CopleySubject:
Re: [RCSE] skegs and teeth
Don,
If you are flying to compete then yes as your competition will have them
and you will be at a disadvantage. If you are flying a contest to have fun and
not worrying about skidding threw the landing then just pad your shins and
hope your
I would not be so worried about the skegs and teeth mounted to someones
plane, but more the 4 pounds of aircraft moving towards me at a high rate of
speed if they're not!!
I was out flying my old Camano the other day and it has a skeg mounted on
it, and I asked myself why... When I drop those
Depends, do you land like this:
http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0059
or this?
http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0072
smile
Kevin
At 04:07 PM 3/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Skegs
(skid type peg) and teeth...need them or not?
Does it help you get those
points?
Dang, those both look like misses... 8-)
At 07:04 PM 3/16/2005, Kevin Sheen wrote:
Depends, do you land like
this:
http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0059
or this?
http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0072
smile
Kevin
At 04:07 PM 3/16/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Skegs
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: RE: [RCSE] skegs and teeth
I would not be so worried about the skegs and teeth mounted to someones
plane, but more the 4 pounds of aircraft moving towards me at a high rate of
speed if they're not!!
I was out flying my old Camano the other day and it has a skeg
rom: Kevin Sheen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:04
PMTo: Don Lisa Copley; soaring@airage.comSubject:
Re: [RCSE] skegs and teethDepends, do you land like
this:http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-Pumpkin-Fly/DSCF0059or
this?http://www.ts3.org/gallery/CSS-2003-P
At 09:43 PM 3/16/2005, you wrote:
Kevin,
The answer is yes in both cases.
The first one he is avoiding a miss the last one he is stretching it to
the mark. I guess I need to find some teeth somewhere. Anybody got a home
made idea for teeth? My wife took away my checkbook
Some combination of
Did you ever see a Texas skeg?
http://www.jimbacus.net/tnt2004/pages/DSC02463.html
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR
AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net
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Yep 16 penny would be fine...
Mark
Soaring Is Life!!
From: Don Lisa Copley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com
Subject: RE: [RCSE] skegs and teeth
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:40:13 -0600
Mark,
How big of teeth are you talking about? I think 16 penny nails would
I found some old teeth that my granny used to have.
I can send them over for you, if you want them.
Klaus WeissSydney, Australia.http://www.hsl.org.au- Original Message
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From:
Don
Lisa Copley
. I guess I need to find some teeth somewhere. Anybody
got a home made
On 1/28/03 13:50, Jeff Nibler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you've never tried a skeg on the slope, you don't know what you're
missing.
I might try that. I flew slope quite a bit when I first came out to SOCAL
but grew weary of it quickly.
Back and forth.
Back and forth.
Back and forth.
As
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Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:58
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Subject: [RCSE] SKEGS, TIME FOR A
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Time to stand and be counted, maybe this will put this line to rest for a
while, but that is more than likely too
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Don't regulate them.
Although I personally feel skegs are unnecessary -- eliminating them make landing tasks harder, and anything that makes competition a little tougher is a good thing -- that is not likely to be a majority opinion in the US -- and why waste the ink adding to the rulebook
I personally am a skegnostic, and don't much care if people in contests
use skegs or not, because I am not going to be flying against them anyway.
I use one on the Flamingoid to keep the droopy plastic yard flamingo neck
from breaking.
What I want to know in this survey is: HOW MANY
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Subject: [RCSE] SKEGS, TIME FOR A
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Time to stand and be counted, maybe this will put this line to rest for a
while, but that is more than likely too much to hope
Great Idea.
Maurice
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From: Tom H. Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Skegs Survey
I personally am a skegnostic, and don't much care if people in contests
use skegs
I'm sure that this discussion will probably never end anytime soon,
but I'm always looking to learn the pros and cons surrounding this
delicate subject.
Although I've used skegs that may be easily mistaken for lost glider
parts, I keep wondering why we continue to land this way, at least in
I completely agree with Simon, Klaus and others that skegs are crutches for most of us who can't land without them on the ridiculous runways for lawn darts often used in major US contests.
We should adopt the FAI landing rules in US duration contests and forget skegs. Small (~1" high, 1/4" wide
I have to agree about the FAI task and no skeg...Am I
allowed to use the word, now that I have one on my
Fazer? This is one of those things that just won't
die. I saw one comment that said the AMA would go to
the rules, but their rules...let's go all the way to
the rules and use the FAI landing.
Bring on F3B!!
Tom
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From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Skegs and Related Rules
PS, If we would just all wake up start flying more F3X type events we
would
not have to worry about skeg
At 08:27 PM 1/20/2003, D'Anne Thompson wrote:
As Joe Wurts says the key to soaring is energy management. Landing
without a skeg is a demonstration of proper energy management.
http://www.geocities.com/glidersrc/pag_noticias/f3jworlds2002/landingwurts.jpg
8-)
Jim
Downers Grove, IL
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] Skegs...tasks...F3j...and the like
At 08:27 PM 1/20/2003, D'Anne Thompson wrote:
As Joe Wurts says the key to soaring is energy management. Landing
without a skeg is a demonstration of proper energy
Just a tongue in check notice, but I am seeing this kind of header in many
of the contest around the area.
The rules change proposal cycle period is real close to being over.
Would someone Please !!! submit a rules change proposal to remove the skeg
limitation from RES, or at least make it
Gents,
Not to continue this discussion to the point _everyone_ is sick of it, but
I'd like to make a little point about contest rules in general.
In general, good contest rules result in airplanes that people like to fly
even when they are not in a contest - that is, sport flying. Innovations
At 08:21 AM 4/26/2002, Dennis Zech wrote:
We have a member in our club with a RES
ship which has a nose which droops to a point so it looks like a hawk.
Is that RES legal?
I've seen a pilot use something similar in F3J, and I think it's design and
purpose is as a landing arrestor, not for some
And you have 3 ft to get 100 and what 6' to get a 95??
No need for skegs.
T
Skegs!
I see it's that time or the year again. Hashing over why we should or
shouldn't use skegs.
My two cents are:
If you want a contest with no skegs, then attend an F3J contest! We
invite the participation
Dennis Phelan wrote:
Does anyone object to having a powered wheel inside the plane so it can be
driven to the spot after landing on time?
If there's a reverse gear, I'll take two!!
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Everyone
Well since it has come up again Ill throw my whatever in. I was
always taught to control my landing speed on final. It doesnt matter if its
a real plane or not. Its the skill of the pilot.
So Im coming into land. Hopefully some 30-20 sec before a Max. I set
myself
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the skill of the pilot should
determine the landing. Not the Skeg. I think in Canada they do not allow
them. I could be wrong.
The MAAC regulations are mostly FAI with some AMA thrown in for good measure.
They are very FAI'ish when it comes to skegs (ie.
In the true spirit of RES we should all attempt to emulate the great
Otto Heithecker. I have a vivid memory of Otto's mighty 12' Challenger
barreling toward the landing spot, touching down at the far edge of the
circle that they used in those days, and sliding toward the bulls-eye;
at the crucial
Mark,
from Daryls excellent post to yours. I have this mental picture of you.
Do you sometimes wear a pointy hat with eyeholes cut out, or a specific
armband? You must be a legend in your own mind.
Klaus,
I, promise that I am not a member of the klan, or any other right wing
In a message dated 2/4/00 4:30:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The last thing I am is a legend in my own mind, just a hard
working guy who enjoys to fly and anything about flying, but I am very
competitive when I walk out on the field of battle.
Gellart is a
Michael Neverdosky wrote:
How about shorter winch lines?
a 100 meter line.
Does a 100 yard line make thousands of readily available sites leap to mine? Gee,
they even have the landing task set up already,
between the poles, under the bar to the spot.
Rich B
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Most of you know, I've flown all over the world. The rest of the world simply doesn't
understand our way of TD flying and scoring.
The reality is that our tasks have evolved over the years to take into account the
tiny little postage stamp flying fields we are
required to sometimes fly from.
Klaus
What I didn't say was that serious, hard charging, full scale sailplane
competition flying comes with an elevated level of risk. Off field landings
in totally unfamiliar terrain (most are) and flight into extreme weather
conditions (thunderstorm downburst in my case) set the stage
This skeg thing is a safety issue, just ask your great proponent of no
skegs Don Edberg who had to jump out the way 2 times in one contest because
the guy he was timing ( no skeg) slid through the landing zone (hitting them
once). I have been hit by sailplanes a couple of times with enough
Twice, when flying full size sailplanes, I wish I had the stopping power of a
skeg. First time I got stopped just before I hit the fence, and the second
time I went thru it, totalling the glider and almost taking myself out in the
proscess. As for our models, some stopping device (skeg,
I really do not want to start (or continue) a flame war but I've never seen
or heard of a skeg on a full scale sailplane.
I was flying R/C Sailplanes long before skegs (or any other skid arrestor
came into play) and for the life of me cannot see why they're used now.
There is nothing more
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