Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread MH
Opps, should of checked for incoming. Thanks Keith! Looks like Harley & I have allot more to read. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To uns

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread MH
> What doesn't the article hold back on, the truth or BS. Do you really > believe Secretary of State Colin Powell plagiarized material from a college > student for his speech to the United Nations. He has the total U.S. > Intelligence gathering agencies to use at his disposal, and he plagiarize

Re: [biofuels-biz] northern california biodiesel, and blue sun biodiesel

2003-02-09 Thread girl mark
Folks, I ask for personal reasons (paranoia about word back to our local authorities, possibly getting the inspector mentioned into trouble with his superiors!) that you don't crosspost this beyond this particular list. Our coop, a which is a medium-scale homebrew operation involving equipment

RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread Keith Addison
>What doesn't the article hold back on, the truth or BS. Do you really >believe Secretary of State Colin Powell plagiarized material from a college >student for his speech to the United Nations. He has the total U.S. >Intelligence gathering agencies to use at his disposal, and he plagiarized >f

RE: [biofuel] AC -> DC

2003-02-09 Thread kirk
.707 is the reciprocal of 1.414 The RMS value is the DC heating value. Well filtered is proportional to capacitance in the filter. He said: Someone I respect in electronics stated that a simple AC -> DC filtered rectification circuit results in the output VDC being 1.7 the input VAC. If this per

Re: [biofuels-biz] northern california biodiesel, and blue sun biodiesel

2003-02-09 Thread Appal Energy
Well? Sure, economies of scale can make a dif on afforability. But I haven't yet seen much in the way of any comprised list of regs that have to be met, or at least not in a public forum such as this. Now would be as good a time as any to make a short and long list and do a run down of how shade

Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-09 Thread Steve Spence
you can't put a cord of wood in a pickup truck. a cord of wood is 4 x 4 x 8 and weighs 2 tons. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL

[biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-09 Thread motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You're probably looking at $300 then. Is the price of firewood in > > your area worth messing with it? > > I'm looking at around $225.00 a cord for soft woods, $300 for hard wood. WOW! I'm in culture shock.

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread Appal Energy
Oh...and one more thing. The Brits responded something akin to "we have a lot to learn from this," or some such. Funny that. A madman ready to send 10's of thousands of human lives into carnage and these brainchildren use a years old primer as foundation to push for spilling today's blood. Frig

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread Appal Energy
It was a British document that Mr. Powell gave exceedingly high praise to. Approximately 1/3 of the report was not only plagiarized (a fault attributed to British Unintelligence) but was also years old, portrayed as if it was this morning's griddle cakes. Todd - Original Message - From:

Chickens eating eggs - was Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1354

2003-02-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Thor >Keith, > >Interesting article and study, but also very >unsettling. I had a hard time accepting this study >that is premised on cannibalism, even though a bit of >looking on the web revealed that Cornish chicks tend >to be cannabilistic. I wonder why they didn't use >rats or weasels, o

RE: [biofuel] AC -> DC

2003-02-09 Thread John Mullan
Actually, he is likely thinking the RMS calculation of which 120VAC RMS would be 120 x 1.414 = Peak voltage and Peak voltage x .707 to get RMS. You would be much closer using the 120 x .707 to get a well filtered DC voltage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE

RE: California solar penalty Re: [biofuel] understatement

2003-02-09 Thread harley3
Dear Girlmark: Who would receive the monies from the solar tax? Would the collected Solar tax monies go to the utilities company, or the State of California? Who is going to profit from the proposed tax? Harley -Original Message- From: girl mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: S

RE: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread harley3
What doesn't the article hold back on, the truth or BS. Do you really believe Secretary of State Colin Powell plagiarized material from a college student for his speech to the United Nations. He has the total U.S. Intelligence gathering agencies to use at his disposal, and he plagiarized from a

RE: [biofuel] Turk's turbo waste oil burner (new)

2003-02-09 Thread Myles Twete
Steve- It looks like what the miniature steam train guys call a "pot burner"they are great for burning pert-near any kinda earlnot to deride the design, but it looks nothing new to me. I've actually been waiting for someone to say they've tried a pot burner on this list. -Myles Twete, Por

FW: Swastika is from Finland?Re: FW: [biofuel] Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!???

2003-02-09 Thread kirk
-Original Message- From: Bronik Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:31 AM To: kirk Subject: Swastika is from Finland?Re: FW: [biofuel] Re: Re: Democracy--Nazi Germany was Democratic!??? Kirk, The German Swastika was a Finnish symbol that was adopted by the Nazis. I have attached

[biofuel] Turk's turbo waste oil burner (new)

2003-02-09 Thread Steve Spence
This is a new item just in. Easier than the babington. A great veggie oil burner, but will work with waste motor oil, etc. http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/turk/ -- Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http:/

[biofuels-biz] Turk's turbo waste oil burner (new)

2003-02-09 Thread Steve Spence
This is a new item just in. Easier than the babington. A great veggie oil burner, but will work with waste motor oil, etc. http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/turk/ -- Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http:/

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 1354

2003-02-09 Thread Phil Hartman
FARMERS OPINION I have been a "lurker" for several years. I enjoy hearing the opinions and thoughts of all of you out there posting to this board. I commend you for sharing your ideas and technology with regards to any type of alternative fuel (biofuel or not). I also commend you for allow

[biofuel] California solar penalty

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
Good point. I've thought for years now that one of the absolute top most importnat areas where some real good could be done is in setting forth good net metering basics, so that individual homeowners and building owners could work to have a reasonable incentive to consider installing and taking c

California solar penalty Re: [biofuel] understatement

2003-02-09 Thread girl mark
On the topic of bald-faced, there was a post here a few days ago by solar installer (I think) Len Walde about the proposed California penalty against homeowners who installed grid-tied solar (which most of them did with a state-sponsored rebate!) . I think this is one of the most recently ou

Re: [biofuel] electrical heating question

2003-02-09 Thread studio53
Josh Madison has a great little free program: http://www.joshmadison.com/software/convert/ where you can get all the conversions you need. Watt conversion is under the "energy" tab. --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitla

[biofuel] understatement

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
>>burden. But then I'd have to assume they really mean their preaching about >>principles and so forth, and I'm not sure they do, consistently. > >I think there may be some here who'll be after nominating you for the >Nobel Prize for Understatement for that last bit, MM. > >:-) I'll take it, bu

[biofuels-biz] [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US

2003-02-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM >Thanks for forwarding this Keith. You're welcome - same problem you and I both have sometimes, crossposting stuff to various lists, but then some stuff ends up at some lists but not others. This is an interesting topic, IMO, I didn't want us to lose track of what Mark's saying about it

RE: [biofuel] electrical heating question

2003-02-09 Thread kirk
kilowatt hour (kW·h or kw hr) the commercial unit of electric energy. One kilowatt hour represents the amount of energy delivered a rate of 1000 watts over a period of one hour. Since the watt is 1 joule/sec and there are 3600 seconds in an hour, the kilowatt hour is equivalent to exactly 3.6 mega

Re: [biofuels-biz] northern california biodiesel, and blue sun biodiesel

2003-02-09 Thread girl mark
Mark, large-scale biodiesel manufacturers have an easier time dealing with regulations than the little guys do. The hurdles I was pointing out are the ones that slow down development of small producer business and of coops- the big plants don't have these issues as much partly because they're b

[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US

2003-02-09 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM >Thanks for forwarding this Keith. You're welcome - same problem you and I both have sometimes, crossposting stuff to various lists, but then some stuff ends up at some lists but not others. This is an interesting topic, IMO, I didn't want us to lose track of what Mark's saying about it

Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-09 Thread Greg and April
I had thought about Oak, but they grow to slowly for were I was needing it, Hickories don't normally do well around here (short growing season among other things). I'm not to worried about the sewer line problem, I was going to plant on the south east corner and the south side of the house and th

[biofuel] ot: new origins of life theory

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021204080856.htm based on a few past conversations here, I think some of the folks here seem to have a general strong interest in planetary science, etc., so I thought to pass this on. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel

Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-09 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 22:59 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie > > You're probably looking at $300 then. Is the price of firewood in > your area worth messing with it? I'm looking at around $22

[biofuels-biz] Re: Fwd: Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
Thanks for forwarding this Keith. A very interesting read. What a pity that in the land of "freedom" Americans literally in their own backyards have to struggle so much to go into entrepeneurial exciting productive new businesses. What a pity that this is not recognized for the widespread proble

[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
Thanks for forwarding this Keith. A very interesting read. What a pity that in the land of "freedom" Americans literally in their own backyards have to struggle so much to go into entrepeneurial exciting productive new businesses. What a pity that this is not recognized for the widespread proble

Re: [biofuels-biz] northern california biodiesel, and blue sun biodiesel

2003-02-09 Thread Mark Farragher
Thanks for the information. Seems like Blue Sun has considered and dealt with many of the regulatory hurdles if they indeed have real plans for these large capacity processing plants. Perhaps they could provide the model for others. Then again, if they are a for profit organization, they ma

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread MH
A article that sums up recent events and doesn't hold back -- Fake terror alerts: by John Kaminski 2-8-3 http://www.timewedo.com/special/kaminski/fake.shtml How stupid do they think we are? Only hours after our much-praised Secretary of State is revealed to have been using material pl

Re: [biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread MH
motie wrote: > http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7230/view/print > > Secret Draft Of `Patriot II' > Justice Department Drafts Sweeping Expansion Of Anti-Terrorism Act Other concerns of unrest that stir the imagination -- "If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machine

[biofuel] Sen. Kerry Advocates Reduced Foreign Oil Dependence And Increased Use Of Biofuels And Renewables

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/rm/030209/politics_kerry_1.html Reuters Sen. Kerry blasts Bush's environmental policies Sunday February 9, 1:59 am ET WASHINGTON, Feb 9 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts blasted President George W. Bush's environmental policies on

[biofuels-biz] Sen. Kerry Advocates Reduced Foreign Oil Dependence And Increased Use Of Biofuels And Renewables

2003-02-09 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/rm/030209/politics_kerry_1.html Reuters Sen. Kerry blasts Bush's environmental policies Sunday February 9, 1:59 am ET WASHINGTON, Feb 9 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts blasted President George W. Bush's environmental policies on

Re: [biofuel] Diesel Tractor

2003-02-09 Thread Steve Spence
Yanmars are excellent diesels, and work well on biodiesel. My grandfather and I ran a marine diesel business and resold yanmars for many years in the 70's and 80's. We will be doing a WVO conversion on one sometime this year. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion

[biofuel] Fwd: Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US

2003-02-09 Thread Keith Addison
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "girl_mark_fire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 01:23:15 - >Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US > >my friend of the small producer business just got a WVO haulers' >licence. I wonder wha

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US

2003-02-09 Thread Keith Addison
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "girl_mark_fire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 01:23:15 - >Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: Obstacles facing small producers and co-ops in the US > >my friend of the small producer business just got a WVO haulers' >licence. I wonder wha

[biofuels-biz] biodiesel testing

2003-02-09 Thread goat industries freeserve
Does anybody know a lab in the UK that can test for mono, di and triglycerides and glycerol? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTe

Re: [biofuel] Re: Introduction and some questions - Newbie

2003-02-09 Thread jhyde16833
HI Greg, Inregards to planting replacement tress i would go with a native deep rooted tree like a oak or hickery. They are slow growing, have deep tap roots that do not get into sewer pipes or septic tanks, you can eat the nuts and

Re: [biofuel] electrical heating question

2003-02-09 Thread Mark Sylaart
Yes, 1 watt of electricity produces approximately 3.4 btu of heat - Original Message - From: "girl mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] electrical heating question > While we're on the subject of electricity, I got a question about he

[biofuel] More reason for Unrest?

2003-02-09 Thread motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7230/view/print Secret Draft Of `Patriot II' Justice Department Drafts Sweeping Expansion Of Anti-Terrorism Act Charles Lewis is the founder and executive director of the Center for Public Integrity. Adam Mayle is a James R. Soles Fellow at the Center.

[biofuel] Re: Civil Unrest

2003-02-09 Thread motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Did you ever try to get an audience of any sort with him? I bet if > he knew a > > lot about your case he'd probably care a bit, even if he might fail > to help as > > much as he thought he'd

[biofuel] Civil Unrest

2003-02-09 Thread motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll intersperse my comments. > Motie: > > I thought your response to Mr. Fairanks seemed reasonable. It isn't as though > you are grumbling for handouts, but rather asking to be allowed to do business. That is my position,

Re: [biofuel] Diesel Tractor

2003-02-09 Thread Doug Foskey
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:18, you wrote: > Hello, > > I am considering purchasing a diesel tractor to fuel with 100% > biodiesel. I am considering a small Yanmar (YM146) mower with a 48" > deck. This is plenty big enough to mow my lawn. Does anyone have > any idea how Yanmar diesel engines perform

Re: [biofuel] electrical heating question

2003-02-09 Thread girl mark
thank you! mark At 02:47 AM 2/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: >1 watt-hour = 3.412 BTUs. Note the time component. > >So, if the element is rated at 1250 watts and is getting the rated voltage >and >operates for an hour, it will produce about 4250 BTUs. Actual BTUs >produced will >depend on how much

Re: [biofuel] electrical heating question

2003-02-09 Thread Darryl McMahon
1 watt-hour = 3.412 BTUs. Note the time component. So, if the element is rated at 1250 watts and is getting the rated voltage and operates for an hour, it will produce about 4250 BTUs. Actual BTUs produced will depend on how much time the element is switched on, which is typically controlle