Hi,
On 05/04/11 03:23, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real
time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group.
The alternative to communicating in real-time is fundamentally changing
your organisational structure to
Hello!
Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real
time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group.
I have another suggestion: learn how to use e-mail efficiently :-)
An e-mail discussion need not take weeks if all interested people respond
at
Why not setup a Wave server, using google Wave software. It's open
source, and really efficient for real time as well as non real time
communication. Alternative a google server could be used, but then it is
just like other proprietary tools (though based on opensource software).
On 02/05/2011 13:36, Grant Slater wrote:
OK, lets find a time that works better. World Time Server Meeting
planner: http://bit.ly/kBuc2L
1pm UTC seems like the best option to me or what do you think? Or
maybe we should alternate?
What part of Don't use IRC did you not comprehend?
Just because
Everything would be better if Dave F. was in charge. The trains would
run on time, logos would go through his personal approval process and
unicorns would frolic near a turquoise lake in the sun.
So, anyway, Grant was trying to be nice to you and offering to bring you
in to the process that
...@madasafish.com
To: OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:45 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
On 02/05/2011 13:36, Grant Slater wrote:
OK, lets find a time that works better. World Time Server Meeting
planner: http://bit.ly/kBuc2L
1pm UTC seems like the best option to me
Dave,
This issue comes up constantly and no group has found any solutions
which are ideal.
Some folks suggest meetings using, say Gnome meeting, and then they're
doled it's hard to set up, so Skype is suggested. Then some say Skype
is proprietary, so we should switch to a phone conference
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2011-05-04 03:23, Serge Wroclawski skrev:
Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real
time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group.
The problem is that with the need for real time, at best 1/3 of
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote:
I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I
was reading.
In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is selected for an
IRC (or whatever) meeting, it's going to be inconvenient for
*someone*. Deal with it!
No. Don't
On 2 May 2011, at 11:18, Dave F. wrote:
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote:
I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was
reading.
In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is selected for an IRC (or
whatever) meeting, it's going to be
Hi,
On 05/02/11 12:22, Thomas Davie wrote:
Discuss on this forum instead of IRC. It's self recording of
*everything* that's said allows *all* to contribute at *all*
times.
But causes discussions that could be had in 10 minutes to get spread
out over 10 weeks ;)
Dave is right about the
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote:
I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I
was reading...
A quick note to point out that we'd wouldn't be able to have this
discussion on IRC as we either live in different time zones or our sleep
patterns are asynchronous.
SteveC schrieb:
You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted the
new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic
discussion on it and nothing would happen. Any progress at all in any direction
now means at least 5 or 10 people on this
On 2 May 2011 12:43, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote:
I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was
reading...
A quick note to point out that we'd wouldn't be able to have this discussion
on IRC as we either live in
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 May 2011, at 11:18, Dave F. wrote:
On 02/05/2011 05:53, Andrew Gregory wrote:
I just had to comment on this because I could hardly believe what I was
reading.
In a global, world-wide-web, no matter what time is
Andreas Perstinger wrote:
Is the current logo change a major decision for you?
See also Robert's comparison:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Oldtonew_logo.gif).
Actually it just highlights all of the problems nicely. Having been required to
comply with the needs of the visually
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 02:32:34PM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Jochen Topf wrote:
Don't be so hard on the Strategic Working Group. After months of talks
they have actually done something! I think we should celebrate that!
After dipping their toes into many important subjects for the
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 09:40:39PM +, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
I assume that the twice a year change and the funny, alliterative
animal names are references to Ubuntu Linux. Note that, while each
release of Ubuntu has its own name, the Ubuntu logo has remained
unchanged for years.
The
Hi,
David Murn wrote:
Unfortunately, being involved in an OSMF (or SWG, LWG, DWG, etc) meeting
isnt as easy as 'just showing up'. Infact, its not even really possible
to be invovled by reading the minutes or the meeting notes. Those of us
who wish to be involved, join public discussions and
Frederik Ramm wrote:
It would be great if we could somehow reboot and arrive at
something sane again.
Superb posting. +1 to all of that.
cheers
Richard
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2011/5/1 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru:
I guess, the old logo should remain for low zooms (favicons, for example).
I agree and would go even further: the new logo is actually a clip
art, nicer to have it on the website, but not really suitable as a
logo. The old one instead is more logo-like
If you wanna critize SWG/OSMF *again*, please, create new thread but
don't spam this one. I know there is lot of desire to express pain how
communication doesn't work between some very loud minority and OSMF,
but please, do it properly.
About logo - new version looks excellent in high resolution,
Elizabeth Dodd writes:
... you make major decisions behind closed doors ...
Have you knocked on the door and asked to be let in?
Nobody who is whinging has answered that question. Obviously, because
they haven't. Easier to whinge than actually do work.
--
--my blog is at
+1
Regards,
Gert Gremmen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Elizabeth Dodd [mailto:ed...@billiau.net]
Verzonden: Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:51 AM
Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
Mikel Maron mikel_ma
thank you Frederik
== Mikel Maron ==
+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
To: David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 5:21:53 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
Hi
Frederick, I think you are right, and we need to find a sane way of doing things
as you put it. In this case, it would have worked well to put a message on this
mailing list saying that the strategic working group exists, they are charged
with looking after the OSM logo among other things, and
Elizabeth,
I don't see David's comments as constructive. Terms like consulting
the community is quite vague and Steve has said that many of his
prior efforts to consult the community end in flame wars.
Now let me give it a try: I think the OSMF should make (more) use of
polling. Not for
On 01/05/2011 20:50, Nic Roets wrote:
Note that open IRC is the Internet equivalent to the town hall
meetings.
No, it's not. Those occur in the time zone of the those involved.
IRC meetings, on the other hand, occur outside of many OSM users
waking/working day.
This is another reason for
On 2 May 2011 09:03, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
On 01/05/2011 20:50, Nic Roets wrote:
Note that open IRC is the Internet equivalent to the town hall
meetings.
No, it's not. Those occur in the time zone of the those involved.
IRC meetings, on the other hand, occur outside of
On 30 April 2011 12:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange
that important things like changing the well established logo of the
project are beeing changed without any discussion or notice on any of
the lists,
Grant
While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG
(Web Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's
charter ...), I believe Martin issue is with the rampant re-active
instead of pro-active information policy that infects all parts of OSM.
Not that I
Am 30.04.2011 um 15:05 schrieb Simon Poole:
Grant
While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web
Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's charter ...), I
believe Martin issue is with the rampant re-active instead of pro-active
information
From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web
Design Working Group) (it does seem to be a bit outside it's charter ...), I
believe Martin issue is with the
rampant re-active instead of pro-active information policy that infects
Hi,
I don't have issues with the process (I wasn't involved in selecting
the old logo so I don't mind others caring for that). But I think that
something is technically wrong with the new logo; I think if you were
looking at a magnifying glass from the angle chosen here, the end of the
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:
SWG has taken this on because the usability of the site is a the primary way
users, new and old, engage with OSM, there are definitely issues with it,
and we're trying to put together the right _approach_ to improve it.
Am 30.04.2011 um 15:55 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
Hi,
I don't have issues with the process (I wasn't involved in selecting the
old logo so I don't mind others caring for that). But I think that something
is technically wrong with the new logo; I think if you were looking at a
magnifying
2011/4/30 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com:
From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
While I don't quite understand why the SWG has turned in to the WDWG (Web
Design Working Group)
SWG has taken this on because the usability of the site is a the primary way
users, new and old, engage with OSM, there
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 04:11:52PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote:
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange
that important things like changing the well established logo of the
You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted the
new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic
discussion on it and nothing would happen. Any progress at all in any direction
now means at least 5 or 10 people on this list don't like it.
, April 30, 2011 10:53:46 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 04:11:52PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote:
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I noticed that there is a new OSM logo in the wiki. I find it strange
On samedi 30 avril 2011 at 17:54, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen wrote :
What are you all whining about ?
The new CT clearly transfers most of your rights
to OSMF, and this what happens if you transfer rights
to a self appointed group of people that have joint
together to do
to do anything.
From: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org
To: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org
Cc: osm talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:53:46 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 04:11:52PM +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote:
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011
Martijn,
Martijn van Exel wrote:
I'd have to concur. Firstly, a new logo is not something you roll out on
its own, it's part of a new 'corporate identity'
To be honest, if SWG started forming a corporate identity subcommittee
I'd probably run away screaming. (They would provide local
2011/4/30 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted
the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic
discussion on it and nothing would happen.
I remember a different process when the foundation got
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote:
What are you all whining about ?
The new CT clearly transfers most of your rights
to OSMF, and this what happens if you transfer rights
to a self appointed group of people that have joint
Topf joc...@remote.org; Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org; osm
talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 11:12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
Mikel and SWG don't have to take all this, I did it so flame me Jochen.
Steve
stevecoast.com
On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:04, Mikel
Come on Martin. Look, yes we can always, always be better at communication. But
if we had a process like that we might have got to actually one day putting a
new logo up. In the process with all the flames and the people screaming no,
and all that, the people actually doing then work would get
2011/4/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
I like the haphazard way in which things are done around here. And I'm not
saying this tongue-in-cheek, I really do. It gives me hope that we're not
yet in a situation where every improvement has to go through some sort of
complicated three-level
I am almost sure that also the original creator would make some small
improvements if asked. The motivation to get into details is much
higher when it is not a simple draft but you know that the result will
be used millions of times in the web...
I also suggest to work on a low-res version and a
I just don't see what wanting to avoid flame wars on this list (which
will happen anyway QED), has to do with informing the large majority of
participants in OSM in advance of, not unimportant, changes and events.
Simon
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On 30 April 2011 17:32, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/4/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
I like the haphazard way in which things are done around here. And I'm not
saying this tongue-in-cheek, I really do. It gives me hope that we're not
yet in a situation where
Grant Slater writes:
Do you think the new logo is an improvement over the old logo?
If I had only published this logo a month ago, we wouldn't be having
this argument now:
http://russnelson.com/temp/russ-osm-logo.gif
--
--my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com
The first of every
On 30 April 2011 19:04, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Grant Slater writes:
Do you think the new logo is an improvement over the old logo?
If I had only published this logo a month ago, we wouldn't be having
this argument now:
http://russnelson.com/temp/russ-osm-logo.gif
While
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Martijn,
Martijn van Exel wrote:
I'd have to concur. Firstly, a new logo is not something you roll out on
its own, it's part of a new 'corporate identity'
To be honest, if SWG started forming a corporate identity
Martijn van Exel-3 wrote:
Don't get me wrong - I'm not a proponent of any of that corporate identity
Scheiße, but the fact of the matter is that there are innumerable
publications using the now-defunct OSM logo and it's going to confuse
people
if they see a different logo for what we would
SteveC wrote:
Instead of taking 8 weeks to have a process, let's treat it as 8 weeks where
anyone can help fix these theoretical and technical logo issues. It's right
there, anyone can help. So who's going to do it?
Steve
So what is being done for those of us who invested in high visibility
Hi,
Lester Caine wrote:
So what is being done for those of us who invested in high visibility
vests which are now obsolete? And those who have paid for printing which
now needs to be redone. A LITTLE notification of such a major change
would have been nice.
I propose this:
From now on, we
Jochen Topf wrote:
Don't be so hard on the Strategic Working Group. After months of talks
they have actually done something! I think we should celebrate that!
After dipping their toes into many important subjects for the future of
OSM they have chosen the logo change as the most important
, or at least
announced, well in advance, not done as a surprise to everyone except whatever
committee made the change.
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Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
From :mailto:frede...@remote.org
Date :Sat Apr 30 16:27:19 America/Chicago 2011
Hi,
Lester Caine wrote
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Calm down. Our merchanidse is not out of date just because the logo
has been touched up.
So http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg is not going to
be changed? At least it does say who we are working for, while the new logo is
just a fussy picture which
Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Calm down. Our merchanidse is not out of date just because the logo
has been touched up.
So http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg is not
going to be changed? At least it does say who we are working for, while
the new logo is just
Hi,
Lester Caine wrote:
So http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg is not
going to be changed?
That vest uses a logo that differs much *more* from the old web page
logo that the newly installed logo on the web page does.
So if your reasoning is that what is on the web
Since this mailing list is about the new logo now, I'd like to point out
some things concerning it that got broken.
First of all, wiki logo was a bit different from osm.org: it had a little
W in the corner.
The new logo's contrast is too low, so the favicon is not recognizable at a
glance. And
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Also how much stock of the current logo version is left on the shelves
of those supplying it?
I have no idea but if it were my stock, I'd probably re-print the old
logo without a second thought.
And just take the hit on the wasted costs out of their own pocket?
The point
Hi,
Lester Caine wrote:
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Also how much stock of the current logo version is left on the shelves
of those supplying it?
I have no idea but if it were my stock, I'd probably re-print the old
logo without a second thought.
And just take the hit on the wasted costs out of
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
I see pictures of large banners in addition to the vests which no longer
match the current style of the website!
And I see absolutely no problem with this. The new logo is not at all
substantially different from the old
Lester Caine writes:
So what is being done for those of us who invested in high
visibility vests which are now obsolete? And those who have paid
for printing which now needs to be redone.
Mellow out, Lester. Conrail hasn't existed in the US since 1999, and
there are still locomotives that
David Murn writes:
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote:
You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had
posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have
been a gigantic discussion on it and nothing would happen.
What a load of
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have you
ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed?
For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit
organisation in my country. If we had made
Just a comment, I suspect the discussion we are having about the changes to
the logo and license etc are a symptom of something much deeper. I do get
the feeling that there is a disconnect between what is being perceived and
what the intentions are. There seems to be a perception floating in the
Thanks for your reply. I've fixed your speling and the grammar. and
you're punctuation and you have several run-on sentences with tense
problems that I am fixed.
-russ
David Murn writes:
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you
On Sun, 01 May 2011 10:52:52 +1000
David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have
you ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed?
For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit
organisation in my
@openstreetmap.org
*Sent:* Sat, April 30, 2011 6:15:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 09:03 -0700, SteveC wrote:
You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had
posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have
been
Elizabeth Dodd writes:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:
David, this is complete nonsense. Please stop.
-Mikel
You get constructive criticism and and so you promptly disregard it.
You actually prove the point.
Actually, no. David
@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 9:51:07 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:
David, this is complete nonsense. Please stop.
-Mikel
You get constructive criticism and and so you promptly
Very nice. My favorite is the twitter one.
On 4/30/2011 9:41 PM, Andreas Perstinger wrote:
On 2011-05-01 00:48, Robert Naylor wrote:
Quick animated gif of the change:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Oldtonew_logo.gif
Its not that much of a change - its still very much the OSM logo, as
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