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On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Wiseman wrote: > That's a great idea! It could help build community but also make it easier > to check edits to make sure they are ok. Maybe this could be built into one > of the QA/QC tools? I may be missing something but "Who Did It" [1] is available to

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That's a great idea! It could help build community but also make it easier to check edits to make sure they are ok. Maybe this could be built into one of the QA/QC tools? Andrew On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Andrew Wiseman writes: > > We talked about this a bit at the H

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Andrew Wiseman writes: > We talked about this a bit at the HOT Birds of a Feather at State of the > Map -- to me it's a great idea. Why not ask some basic (and purely > optional) information when people join OSM, with some fields for that info, IMHO, we should allow people to use OSM tools to c

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> > What I've been mulling over is the "home location" data on the > profile. Right now it's close to useless. I'd like to be able to set > multiple areas (not points) and rate them "can survey / good local > knowledge / particularly interested". > > ^^^ This is an excellent idea and a feature I wo

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:07 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > > What I've been mulling over is the "home location" data on the > profile. Right now it's close to useless. I'd like to be able to set > multiple areas (not points) and rate them "can survey / good local > knowledge / particularly inter

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This Friday night I'm going to close out the quick, three question survey on remote mapping thread. If you haven't answered the survey already, go to https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TRQYHFP to answer the three questions. Clifford On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > O

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Please consult all of my previous responses to the previous threads on this identical topic for the responses I would write to the inevitable responses to this thread. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > I was imagining a new OSM editing program and thought about making

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I was imagining a new OSM editing program and thought about making provisions in the API for editor programs to wait for edits to be approved (so that it's still posted as the actual user). But it would get too tricky, considering just conflicts for instance. So in this form it's unsuitable. The t

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Hi, On 06/15/2015 09:55 PM, john whelan wrote: > Perhaps we need something like the HOT validation system in OSM more > generally but I don't know how it would work. Locally OSM mappers have > used a rich range of tags, I'd say about 25% other than highways didn't > get rendered for one reason or

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On Tuesday 16 June 2015, Alex Barth wrote: > > - How can we show better where data is stale? > - Can we show what's "missing"? Actually these two points well illustrate an important difference - something is missing because someone misses it - this is a subjective criterion. Much of the discuss

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: > A map with all the buildings can look "done" in the standard rendering, > but of course we know it's not done. Is there a way to visualize the map to > take into account the depth and local knowledge of the data? So that the > pride of filling

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On 16/06/2015, Andrew Wiseman wrote: > Something else semi-related that might be a terrible idea: I wonder if > there ought to be some way to show which edits are by remote mappers and by > locals? Could you do this automatically via IP address or something by > seeing who was nearby and who was n

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Am 16.06.2015 um 01:40 schrieb Clifford Snow: > Following this thread makes me wonder how people feel about some of the > issues raised. The link below is quick survey about some of the issues > raised in the thread. Please take a minute or two to respond. If I get > sufficient answers I will pub

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Hi, Am 2015-06-15 um 22:49 schrieb Pierre Béland: > This is the ransom of success for OSM, being exposed to the medias, the > international organizations recognizing our significant contribution to such > humanitarian responses. OSM might be more in media but which OSM? It is not the OpenStree

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Interesting thread! And I'm glad it's civil. I think everybody agrees that local mappers are best. But that's obviously easier said than done. Like Robert said, it requires outreach and some big efforts to find and empower those local mappers, as many people would never have seen or thought to use

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Following this thread makes me wonder how people feel about some of the issues raised. The link below is quick survey about some of the issues raised in the thread. Please take a minute or two to respond. If I get sufficient answers I will publish the results. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TRQYHF

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On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 06:11:50PM +, Eros, Emily wrote: > Hi all, > > In the midst of the discussion about remote mapping, I couldn¹t help but > notice this comment from Sarah: > > "In my experience, the issue is not that OSM is not welcoming for woman > but simply that it is not > interesti

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On 15/06/2015, Arun Ganesh wrote: >> Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local >> community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks >> could improve things. > > The very simple answer is that most people who know English and can afford > a smartphone already u

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Am 15.06.2015 um 22:18 schrieb Arun Ganesh: >> Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local > community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks > could improve things. > > The very simple answer is that most people who know English and can > afford a smartphon

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I'm unsure if we have a good way to compare, but most people introduced to OSM generally don't stick with it. Are the Missing Maps attrition rates any different than people who find out about OSM in other ways? On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:55 PM, john whelan wrote: > >" Everything is geared toward

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] Some thoughts against remote mapping Kate I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are, perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an afternoon and so on. But that is not the

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> Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks could improve things. The very simple answer is that most people who know English and can afford a smartphone already use Google maps which work reasonably well in In

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>" Everything is geared towards churning through newbies and generating as much as possible media coverage, not fast, efficient and quality coverage of the areas in question. It may have not been intended so from the very start, but that is definitely what it has turned out to be." I tend to valid

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t; >> From: Sarah Hoffmann >> To: Kate Chapman >> Cc: Talk Openstreetmap >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping >> Message-ID: <20150614083150.ga20...@denofr.de> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> &

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Kate I could go in to great lengths to define what the core mappers are, perhaps the 5% that provide 95% of the data or the 10'000 that could easily map the equivalent of a MM-mapping party on their own in an afternoon and so on. But that is not the point, Robert was claiming that the remote par

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2015-06-15 20:22 GMT+02:00 Rafael Avila Coya : > Hi all: > > I have read all the emails of this thread, and found some of the views > about remote/local mapping as well as imports quite interesting. Anyway, > I have to say that, although this conversation can lead to some people > to enrich/modify

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Hi all: I have read all the emails of this thread, and found some of the views about remote/local mapping as well as imports quite interesting. Anyway, I have to say that, although this conversation can lead to some people to enrich/modify their views about this subject, it won't lead to real chan

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t;From: Sarah Hoffmann >To: Kate Chapman >Cc: Talk Openstreetmap >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping >Message-ID: <20150614083150.ga20...@denofr.de> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >> Diversity to me has never just been gen

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Simon, Can you explain to me who the "core OSM" contributors are? Is the issue that people doubt the usefulness of the remotely mapped data? That we don't really believe in our own success? -Kate On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert

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On 15/06/2015, Lester Caine wrote: > You think it's only India that has problems with bad/expensive network > coverage? Not at all. I'm asking a contributor who feels that his local community is not very strong if there's anything specific he thinks could improve things. Since this thread mention

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>Agree. I dont think it should be a hardline stance of local vs remote. There should be balance. For example, remotely mapping roads is useful for us since it provides an initial framework for newbies to add POIs. Indeed, I've written up the same experience with remote building tracing: http://ho

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On 15/06/15 11:15, Simon Poole wrote: >> All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying >> > to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link? > ... > > We're really getting substantially off topic now. > > Apps on android in general don't have specific

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> There is no remote mapper that I know of that believes they can produce a better map than a local can ... Sharing the remote burden all over the world instead of a small local populace, probably with limited internet connectivity, hardware and leisure time - to me that can only be a good thing.

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Þann 15.6.2015 10:07, skrifaði Marc Gemis: On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Frederik Ramm > wrote: I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for money, o

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Am 15.06.2015 um 11:37 schrieb Lester Caine: ... > > All that is lacking is that other apps go to OSMAND rather than trying > to get google maps running ... which only works with a network link? > ... We're really getting substantially off topic now. Apps on android in general don't have spec

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On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no > personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for > money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea that runs > against the spirit

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On 15/06/15 09:59, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > Do you have any specific ideas on what would make OSM more compeling > in India ? I'm thinking along the lines of working better with cheap > phones and bad/expensive network coverage.Maybe smarter > surveying/editing tools. Maybe a combined Mapillary p

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On 15/06/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Am 15.06.2015 um 01:24 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >> >> There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not >> something wanted in OSM. For the record: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pascal%20Cuoq/diary/1 > who in os

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Also many of our paths started out as animal paths. In some areas they may be the only way to get from A to B. Jo 2015-06-15 10:55 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 15.06.2015 um 01:24 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > > There was a humours suggestion to

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On 15/06/2015, Arun Ganesh wrote: > Maps are a relatively new concept in Indian society and is still used only > by a small minority in urban areas in daily life. Naturally one cannot > expect strong OSM communities at this stage till maps gain wider > reach. Remote mapping in cases like this can

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sent from a phone > Am 15.06.2015 um 01:24 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not something > wanted in OSM. who in osm would be able to reject what can be mapped? > To some native farmers those paths may be very signi

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Am 15.06.2015 um 04:11 schrieb Robert Banick: ... > > Remote mapping was easier to set up in the early phases of the project > and much more accessible to the Western “core” of OSM contributors, not > to mention sympathetic journalists, who wanted to check out and perhaps > contribute to the pro

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Some thoughts from a developing country - India. Maps have had a controversial role to play in the modern history of much of the Indian subcontinent, as a tool created and controlled by those who came ashore from the west. OSM has made it possible for the first time in history for the common citize

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Kate Chapman writes: > Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I don't > think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across cultures, > geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People usually point > to the TIGER import in the US. I don't think we

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Hi All, First off, let me say that I’ve really enjoyed this discussion. I admire the mixture of passion and overall civility on a really difficult topic. I’ve honestly learned some things reading all your replies. I have a lot of thoughts about remote mapping vs. on the ground mapping but

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On 13 June 2015 15:37:22 GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: >http://groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm-mapping-power-to-the-people/ I really liked that article, but to me it doesn't argues *against remote mapping* as much as it argues *for local mapping*. I think everybody already agreed that local trum

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On 15/06/2015 2:29 AM, John Eldredge wrote: The claim that the maps are only for the benefit of Westerners implies that non-Western people never travel to or trade with areas beyond their immediate neighborhoods. There was a humours suggestion to map animal paths, rejected as not something

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On 14/06/2015, Kate Chapman wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Simon Poole wrote: >> Further we have additional material in the early simulations that Matt >> Amos did that indicate that this is not unexpected given some >> assumptions about editor motivation. >> > This sort of work has no

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El 14/06/2015 3:46 am, Paweł Paprota escribió: And i think there are a lot of other areas in OSM that represent at least as efficient (and therefore damaging) means of cultural imperialism as remote mapping. Acting as devil's advocate, I have a quick question - are you 100% sure that you are n

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An app developer in Botswana I've been in contact with has made the first app made in Botswana that uses OSM, Kabby Cab for the entrepreneurial Kabby system (independent mini buses) in Gaborone and he's working on expanding it into an app for ordering taxis and more. As anyone knows getting som

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We need to encourage local mapping, but large-scale disasters create a need for immediate maps, which, in some cases, means outside help is needed. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can d

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: Who said anything about Westerners? Projects like mapping entire Botswana > and Lesotho is not for HOT issues, acute distress. It is for making it > easier for the local economies to grow, to use maps like the Western world > does to

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On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: > What about in the situations where locals would like to make their own > map but this is not financially feasible? If we are creating truly a free > map of the entire world it is important to figure out how not to just make > a map of the pr

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Am 14.06.2015 um 19:33 schrieb Kate Chapman: > > I should point out that none of the above is in any way new, just > conveniently ignored. > > > Not ignored, I'm just not sure it is solid enough evidence to justify > for or against imports worldwide. If we can't extrapolate from

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 14.06.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Kate Chapman: > > > > Further we have additional material in the early simulations that Matt > Amos did that indicate that this is not unexpected given some > assumptions about editor motivation. > > This sor

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I think little can be said against careful, respectful mapping of base infrastructure (aka major road and other transportation facilities), as far as possible with input from the local inhabitants, particularly in the case of emergencies, by harnessing the combined prowess of OSM mappers. As had

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Le 14 juin 2015 à 14:57, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > > But this is exactly the criticism we're facing - bluntly put: > "Westerners need maps of places so they can conquer them by selling > their products and services." Yes, if you put the History aside, not admitting the constant reinventions and

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The claim that the maps are only for the benefit of Westerners implies that non-Western people never travel to or trade with areas beyond their immediate neighborhoods. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out

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Am 14.06.2015 um 17:21 schrieb Kate Chapman: > Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I > don't think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across > cultures, geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People > usually point to the TIGER import in th

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While OSM is not a politically motivated and controlled project, some of what has been discussed needs a fuller discussion. It's the poor areas of the map that need the most help and those of us with the tools to do so should ... On 14/06/15 13:18, Johan C wrote: > I've searched her article for an

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Possibly, but we cite as fact that imports stunt community growth. I don't think that has ever been proven in a way that cuts across cultures, geographies or the quality of the data being imported. People usually point to the TIGER import in the US. I don't think we can purely blame an import, ther

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On 6/14/2015 2:57 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: But this is exactly the criticism we're facing - bluntly put: "Westerners need maps of places so they can conquer them by selling their products and services." One thing to keep in mind is that often time the people who want to colonize or exploit

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Þann 14.6.2015 12:57, skrifaði Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 06/14/2015 02:12 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: I find this point of view to be astounding in its arrogance and indeed blatant colonialistic spirit. Harsh words. In the final paragraph of your blog post, you write: "In addition the loc

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Hi, On 06/14/2015 02:12 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > I find this point of view to be astounding in its arrogance and indeed > blatant colonialistic spirit. Harsh words. In the final paragraph of your blog post, you write: "In addition the locals are not the only people who will need to

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A few points Full disclosure. The post that touched off this thread was written by my wife and partner in Map Kibera. All the points on this thread are very good points to keep in mind with any mapping project, but there's no universal rule in my experience. Don't forget that mappers are everywhe

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2015-06-13 16:37 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > >I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no > personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for > money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea that runs > against the spirit of O

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I find this point of view to be astounding in its arrogance and indeed blatant colonialistic spirit. The noble savages should not be influenced by us, the decadent Westerners. A sickening insular attitude that I have not found in similar projects like Project Gutenberg and Wikipedia. When do I

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On Sunday 14 June 2015, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > The One Map we currently show caters mainly to the overrepresented > tech population (or, in the case of the HOT map, to NGOs) and that > gives the impression that the same is true for our data (which > isn't). So maybe both, the diversity movement an

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On 14/06/2015 6:31 PM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: The One Map we currently show caters mainly to the overrepresented tech population (or, in the case of the HOT map, to NGOs) and that gives the impression that the same is true for our data (which isn't). So maybe both, the diversity movement and hum

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Hi, On 06/14/2015 11:02 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Isn't the point of remote mapping the ability to pull a large amount of > people from all parts of life together and map an area of need in a > short period of time? That ("disaster mapping") is *one* case, but not the only one; on the humanitar

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> And i think there are a lot of other areas in OSM that represent at least as > efficient (and therefore damaging) means of cultural imperialism as remote > mapping. Acting as devil's advocate, I have a quick question - are you 100% sure that you are not overthinking stuff? I see discussion aft

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Isn't the point of remote mapping the ability to pull a large amount of people from all parts of life together and map an area of need in a short period of time? That simply can't be done in area's affected by a disaster due to the fact they are themselves are recovering from the impact of said dis

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Hi, On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 07:52:49PM -0700, Kate Chapman wrote: > What about in the situations where locals would like to make their own map > but this is not financially feasible? If we are creating truly a free map > of the entire world it is important to figure out how not to just make a > m

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Sometimes I wonder whether remote/armchair mapping has similar effects as imports to the growth of the local community. I think we have recognized that imports has a place in osm provided it follows community principles and guidelines. Maybe its time to discuss similar principles and guidelines to

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Hi Russ, On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Frederik Ramm writes: > > I think the tl;dr of both these postings could be: "Whenever you give > > someone a map by remote mapping, you also take something away from > them." > > Western aid has a bad history of mostly aiding west

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>Western aid has a bad history of mostly aiding westerners. The one simple trick for avoiding that is to ask the locals "How can I help?" >And if the locals say "We need a better map for where we live", then that addresses your concern. Unfortunately the world isn't quite so simple. If we look a

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Frederik Ramm writes: > I think the tl;dr of both these postings could be: "Whenever you give > someone a map by remote mapping, you also take something away from them." Western aid has a bad history of mostly aiding westerners. The one simple trick for avoiding that is to ask the locals "How ca

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These critiques seem to be beginning to develop themes explored more fully and famously by James Scott in _Seeing Like A State_. In it, he explores the implications of government efforts at systematization, including the original French cadastre and some German forest management projects. I'm afra

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On Saturday 13 June 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote: > [...] > > I don't agree with everything written in these postings but they > certainly deserve some wider audience, and that's why I am writing > this here - since neither author is on these lists and I haven't seen > their messages mentioned or quot

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This is a very intersting discussion and something worth talking about. This should happen more. I think we should distinguish between remote mapping, or armchair mapping, and putting 'color' on the map. Most remote mappers will just trace basic stuff like buildings, roads or other features that

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Hi, On 06/13/2015 05:00 PM, john whelan wrote: > I think you could extend this to saying we should let people live their > own lives and not allow them access to things such as mobile phones > until they have enough education to design their own. Or perhaps even break that down to individual peop

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I think you could extend this to saying we should let people live their own lives and not allow them access to things such as mobile phones until they have enough education to design their own. In Canada we have native people and the debate is always what services should you provide them with and

[OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

Hi, I'm known for being critical of armchair mapping by people with no personal connection tho the area being mapped. Whether done for fun, for money, or to help, I think that in most cases it is a bad idea that runs against the spirit of OSM. (I'm willing to concede that there are exceptions,