Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Guenther Meyer wrote: relations are one of only three basic structures in OSM (node - way - relation), can we please assume that someone mapping with OSM can grasp three concepts? He already should be able to deal with them now anyway. they are, but at least for

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Mario Salvini wrote: Even every relevant road for _ONE_ city in one relation won't work, because the membercount of a relation is limited since API 0.6. This methode won't create any benefit. Well, apparently it isn't limited, and luckily it isn't. It would be an

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Radomir Cernoch wrote: Ben Laenen píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 17:54 +0200: So while it seems to be a polygon vs tags on ways discussion: I wonder what people have against using relations to combine all roads in one built-up area, or one maxspeed zone, or some other

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 21 May 2009, you wrote: On 21 May 2009, at 18:17, Ben Laenen wrote: On Thursday 21 May 2009, Mario Salvini wrote: Even every relevant road for _ONE_ city in one relation won't work, because the membercount of a relation is limited since API 0.6. This methode won't create any

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 22 May 2009, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: A typical city here would look like all roads inside the built-up area inside one relation, and when there are roads inside it with another speed limit, tag those ways

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 22 May 2009, you wrote: See if you think that my stuff was about rendering, then you are missing the point. It's all about data processing. Even the bit about translucent colouring is not about rendering (that's easy - opacity=0.7) it's about *processing* (unwinding relations into

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 22 May 2009, you wrote: For years and years of my professional career I had to listen to the stuff people (my customers) spouted about gathering data yet then had absolutely no real idea of how it would be used.  That was some magic computers worked.  Processing the data (of which

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street No, I guess, it will have a red dashed transparent line drawn over

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. Alleyways are clearly public roads, and those are highway=service service=alley... But I think there's a big difference in alleys that should be tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 28 May 2009, you wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway says about highway=service: Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tag] Ref in link

2009-06-24 Thread Ben Laenen
Xav wrote: Hi all, On this page : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link it is implicitly written that the ref of a link should be the reference of the road from which the link depends. For example, a motorway_link to/from the motorway A 1 will be referenced as A 1.

[OSM-talk] SVG rendering on wiki

2009-06-30 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi, can someone look at the svg rendering on the wiki? There are currently two problems with it: * they aren't rendered with a transparent background anymore (this used to be the case until some time ago) * the image page for some reason sometimes thinks the rendered image is a bit smaller

Re: [OSM-talk] SVG rendering on wiki

2009-06-30 Thread Ben Laenen
Tyler wrote: Rendering of SVG is done in browser, No it isn't (here), it's done on the server by MediaWiki: it takes an svg and converts it to png (using rsvg or some other program on the server) when the image appears on a page, and it sends the png to the browser. The image used on

Re: [OSM-talk] access=destination valid only in one direction

2009-07-10 Thread Ben Laenen
Peter Childs wrote: 2009/7/10 Stanislav Brabec u...@penguin.cz: Hallo. Is there a way how to map a street with access=destination valid just only for one direction? In the reverse direction it is a standard drive through street. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/30764132 The

Re: [OSM-talk] touristic car routes

2009-07-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Simon Wood wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:14:45 +0200 Ivo van den Maagdenberg ivo.vdmaagdenb...@gmail.com wrote: Just noticed a marked scenic route for cars. Any suggestions for the route tag fort the relation that could mark this kind of routes? name=..., type=route, route=car I have

Re: [OSM-talk] touristic car routes

2009-07-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Joseph Booker wrote: It is still a route through (several?) roads though. The 'network' key allows you to differentiate between E-roads, tourists routes, other country route numbers, etc. With that argument you should also tag bus, cycle and walking routes with route=road. I don't want to

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-10 Thread Ben Laenen
How do you select the people in the working group? You might have dozens of people interested to do some work, so who would choose the lucky ones, and how would it be done without dropping into some popularity contest? Or would you allow competing working groups working on the same problem?

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Ulf Lamping wrote: Liz schrieb: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Nop wrote: You cannot force anything but you can discourage putting presets for disputed tags in editors (if it is frowned upon as some sort of indirect vandalism and rolled back) and you can make an organised effort to bring a newly

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Greg Troxel wrote: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com writes: It's most likely going to have to be jurisdiction specific, not just country specific in some instances. Going the other way and dealing with footway for example, NSW Vic doesn't allow cyclists on footpaths, but ACT does.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes?

2009-08-20 Thread Ben Laenen
filip wolters wrote: Neen, ik begrijp het niet meer. In onderstaande link zie je dat voor bv. een cinema alleen een node kan gebruikt worden. En een plaats om een auto te huren kunnen zowel met node als area gemaakt worden. Waar zit de logica en waar vind ik een plaats waar alles goed

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes?

2009-08-20 Thread Ben Laenen
Vincent MEURISSE wrote: On Thursday 20 August 2009 12:28:07 pm Ben Laenen wrote: Ach, dat is inderdaad niet erg consequent gedocumenteerd, maar wat die map features pagina ook zegt, voor alles van shop/amenity/sport/nog_een_paar dat je op een node kan zetten, kan je ook op een polygoon

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Thread Ben Laenen
Roland Olbricht wrote: I suppose this brings up all the stuff about path tagging again, but, how do people in general tag vague, ill-defined countryside paths? The sort of things I'm talking about are either very narrow and occasionally hard to follow paths through woods, or, firebreaks

Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-30 Thread Ben Laenen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/30 Christoph Eckert c...@christeck.de: If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. +1 Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the removal triggers some

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Emilie Laffray wrote: 2009/9/11 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com Hi there, I'm wondering how to map different quarters of some city, town and villages. Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used also for mapping city's quarters. Only issue

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/10/10 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: multiple plans would overlap each other and look weird? look weird where? I guess these would not be rendered in standard maps (or just in advanced planning phases and for main plans like motorways, airports, etc.). I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-13 Thread Ben Laenen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/10/12 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: I made a proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:planned So what's the difference with highway=proposed + proposed=...? I can't seem to find the wiki page, but highway=proposed is already in use and it's

Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
Richard Mann wrote: If there's a lane in the wrong direction, that'll be marked (as being on both sides). If there's a separate track adjacent to the road, that'll be marked. But cycle tracks don't get marked if they are attached to the road (so cycleway=track and cycleway=opposite don't get

Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
Tobias Knerr wrote: Imo, this shouldn't be considered in isolation. There's a whole lot of situations where the value for a key, such as oneway, maxspeed, maxweight, access, is different depending on vehicle or other conditions - a common example is maxspeed:hgv (note that nobody is using

Re: [OSM-talk] access tagging concepts (was: Re: opencyclemap and car directions)

2009-12-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Tobias Knerr wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: So that's completely incorrect, bicycle:oneway=no already appeared on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Access_restrict ions a long time before the extended conditions for access tags proposal was created (although, indeed

Re: [OSM-talk] NoName

2008-09-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 14 September 2008, Gervase Markham wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: The nonames map is hosted by CloudMade, we update them from the planet file each week. The updates typically appear on a Thursday. What is the official way (read: way that the map will recognise) of marking a road to

Re: [OSM-talk] NoName

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-02 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 02 October 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: Matthias Julius wrote: I don't. I think it follows the principle of least surprise better if implied values don't change too much. Great, then we should leave this as-is (implied oneway=yes for motorway_link) That would work if it weren't

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-03 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 02 October 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: There are three options: 1. make no assumptions: This means every single motorway_link needs to have a oneway=yes or oneway=no (or oneway=-1). A pain for taggers, and doesn't help makers of routing applications who still

[OSM-talk] When does Potlatch upload?

2008-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, just a little question about recent Potlatch versions: I've noticed that from time to time changes are uploaded while objects are still selected. I remember that it used to be that it only uploaded changes on deselecting. So, when does it exactly upload changes now? I used to find it

Re: [OSM-talk] When does Potlatch upload?

2008-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 12 October 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: just a little question about recent Potlatch versions: I've noticed that from time to time changes are uploaded while objects are still selected. I remember that it used to be that it only uploaded changes

Re: [OSM-talk] Pedestrians on cycleways

2008-10-15 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 14 October 2008, Stefan Monnier wrote: Tagging a road as something implies certain rules, surely, and only when those rules are different from the standard (for that country) should you need to say so. Same as the oneway=no discussion that went on previously. All those

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 17 October 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: In general roads have been drawn too wide. While it is difficult to draw roads on scale in terms of width, the new mapnik style is too wide. Since we're now discussing some mapnik style changes, here are some: * You should render tunnels (or

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 17 October 2008, Tristan Scott wrote: righto; votes cleared. proposal modified. new vote set in a week's time. I'm not keen on the enforcement direction being forwards and backwards. I can think of examples: * Common mobile station on a bridge - on a way which has no relation to

[OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide whether a place is a café or

Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 18 October 2008, Pete Lawrence wrote: Hello, Pubs tend to be more centred around alcoholic drinks, typically busiest during the evenings. Whereas cafe's tend to be more centred around food during the day time. In the UK it is pretty easy to distinguish between the two,

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 22 October 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, vegard wrote: Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile and in China? Of course not, green trunk roads and blue motorways don't make a lot of sense in 99% of the world. It makes

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 07 November 2008, Nic Roets wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 November 2008, Rainer Dorsch wrote: I like this idea of having country specific presets in the editors instead of having renderers to be country sprecific

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 06 November 2008, Rainer Dorsch wrote: JOSM could be extended to ask in the install : are you mapping in Germany or in Italy ? If germany, a track could be recorded as : highway=track motorcar=no In Italy, a track could be recorded as : highway=track motocar=yes I

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 24 November 2008, David Earl wrote: I'm also reconsidering adding in as well as near (and comma) as the separator. The problem is that there are a couple of place names in England which have In in their names - Henley-In-Arden for example. (A second problem is that since it works

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Gustav Foseid wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think we could do with a richer hierarchy something like this: metropolis 500,000 city 100,000 large_town 25,000? 40,000? town 10,000

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, But meanwhile - mostly because it is so easy to do in JOSM - many people simply tag the whole shebang (addr:country, addr:town, addr:post_code, addr:street, addr:house_number) onto every house node. though I attended the workshop

[OSM-talk] Deleted way belonging to relations

2008-12-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, can someone please fix this up: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28575357 it's a deleted way which is still belonging to two relations The theory on how it happened is this: We were fixing up a relation with two people at the same time in Potlatch, and when moyogo deleted a

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Elena of Valhalla wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first

Re: [OSM-talk] Indiscrimate layering

2008-12-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 21 December 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, OJ W wrote: Doesn't layer=-1 mean that something should be 'below' the landuse polygons when rendering? So if you have a river at level=-1 on a landuse=farm, then you will never see the river because it's under the (default layer=0)

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundaries broken on t...@h?

2009-01-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 January 2009, Patrick Kilian wrote: Hi, The last days the administrative boundaries have been disappearing and re-appearing on the t...@h tiles on new renderings, and now it seems like they're not re-appearing anymore. Can this be looked into? This in an intentional

Re: [OSM-talk] bug in mapnik UTF8 renderer

2009-01-13 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Ed Loach wrote: the parentheses around Oman should be reversed. problem in the UTF8 shaper (or lack thereof) ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=22.08lon=59.1zoom=6layers= B000FTF It looks like they were removed yesterday from the node which I'm guessing is

Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 31 January 2009, Lester Caine wrote: Marc Schütz wrote: 4) Split the roundabout as needed, tag all parts as junction=roundabout (don't use a roundabout relation), and add only the needed parts into the route. 5) Properly define a relation so that it does not need to know every

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Gary68 wrote: in europe there are 202 ways with more than 1950 nodes. complete lists can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SomeChecks or the europe file directly: http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/some/len_europe.htm Does this suggest that there will be

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: It will be a 2000 node limit. It is now quickly documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6#New_Limit s OK, as long as there's no limit on the number of relation members, I'm happy :-) Ben

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Ben Laenen wrote: OK, as long as there's no limit on the number of relation members, I'm happy :-) I'm pretty sure there will be, it is not implemented yet but I believe we said it would be 1.000. Relations with more members become

[OSM-talk] Mapnik boundaries

2009-02-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Did someone break the boundary rendering on the Mapnik layers? It looks like all boundary relations on a given way are now rendering, and that means that if two or more relations for different admin_levels are on one way, different kinds of borders are rendered on top of each other. I guess

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik boundaries

2009-02-20 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Ben Laenen wrote: Did someone break the boundary rendering on the Mapnik layers? It looks like all boundary relations on a given way are now rendering, and that means that if two or more relations for different admin_levels are on one way, different kinds

[OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
It looks like we finally got some kind of License plan for the step towards the new license, so everyone check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan Let me start with the obvious questions first: * why don't you split between the votes whether you like

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'll comment on various other aspects later but: Ben Laenen wrote: And what with the countless relations? If there's one way added to it by someone that didn't give approval, the only thing you can do is remove the relation

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Peter Miller wrote: Would it be appropriate to continue this conversation on legal-talk? Talk is very busy at the moment and we have a lovely list of our own :) I think this discussion is important enough to take place on the talk mailing list. If it's held on the

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Grant Slater wrote: Read the full announcement in all its glory: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-February/001 958.html Discussion is best on legal-talk or the avenues as per announcement. I keep disagreeing. This is important enough to be

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Dave Stubbs wrote: And even if you take the ultra cautious approach and say all edits are deserving of copyright protection, you can still draw a line around minor edits both temporal and spatial ie: a single edit can only possibly infect edits made after it, and

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: Lambertus wrote: If we change to the new license then do we have a tool available that will remind me of the bits that are going to be rolled back because of my contribution being dependent on someone who did not agree to the license? I

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Ben Laenen wrote: I care about whether the database will still be clean after a possible change (meaning, properly licensed). The current license is anything but properly licensed. At least it's under one license, and no-one questions

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: As long as there's no answer to it [...] I wouldn't even accept [...] I would refuse [...] I want a very detailed answer [...] that's really not my concern [...] Hey, this is a collaborative project. No-one

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 28 February 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: My hope basically when starting this thread was that these fundamental issues would have been cleared up by now in legal-talk or wherever since you now made the schedule available. Seriously - who is this you?!!! With you I mean the

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - what data would need deleting

2009-03-04 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 04 March 2009, Ed Avis wrote: The only sound rule that can be sure to stand up in court is to delete all data from the contributors who didn't give explicit permission, and all data that depends on it. Period. I agree that the only legal sound way to do it is by removing all

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? - How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 05 March 2009, SteveC wrote: On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:51, Nop wrote: 2. Provide translations of this in the major languages. Most people speak English to some degree, but some don't and something of this importance and with so much legalese involved does need to be in your

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: We are the Wikipedia of maps

2009-03-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: It has been pointed out that Steve, apart from being a CM manager, is also the founder of the project and thus has to juggle various roles. Please then accept that besides running Geofabrik, I, too, am an active member of the OSM community and

Re: [OSM-talk] Reminder: License and license process phone-in today

2009-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
Will it be recorded? On Saturday 14 March 2009, Mike Collinson wrote: This is an informal discussion about the ODbL license and adoption process where anyone can dial in on a phone. It's at 3pm UK time (15:00 GMT/UTC) on Saturday and will be held in English. Call one of the numbers at

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map

2009-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: Hi, great stuff... With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I felt that

[OSM-talk] t...@h broken?

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Laenen
It looks like the t...@h rendering is horribly broken since yesterday. When tiles are updated only a tiny amount of features are still rendered, and the rest is just a gray field. For example http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.3755lon=4.3508zoom=12layers=0B00FTF Is this in the process of

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cyclefootway

2009-03-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 26 March 2009, Richard Mann wrote: I thought a quick tagwatch of footway/path/bridleway/cycleway might be pertinent. Europe: footway 556k - cycleway 166k - path 66k - bridleway 11k Germany: footway 268k - cycleway 57k - path 45k - bridleway 1k Netherlands: footway 19k - cycleway

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?

2009-04-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Renaud MICHEL schrieb: I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? The documented and established way to do so is oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, see

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Kurt Roeckx schrieb: I'm looking for a way to map restrictions for a zone. This includes things like maxspeed, maxweight and parking restriction. I want to avoid having to place those tags on all the roads inside the zone, specially for

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 30 April 2009, you wrote: So you assume that well-designed, liberally licensed (!= GPL) Open Source libraries will exist for all major programming languages and platforms soon? Well, until then, I'll continue to assume that the goal of OSM data being used in creative and unexpected

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 30 April 2009, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd support that highway=path needs to be rendered in the cycle map layer, especially now it's becoming clearer how it's being used Every time it gets

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Emilie Laffray wrote: What might be interesting and worth a discussion: A tag to describe the default language of this object, e.g. language=en. This could als be several tags, e.g. name=België - Belgique - Belgien name:nl=België name:fr=Belgique

Re: [OSM-talk] Languages

2009-05-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Maarten Deen wrote: That still does not solve completely the problem in dual-language areas like Brussels, but there both local names are in the name tag (as both local names are on street signs). Streets in Brussels are almost all tagged with both name:nl and name:fr

Re: [OSM-talk] Languages

2009-05-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign?

[OSM-talk] Key and value maximum length

2009-12-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Quick question for which I didn't find an answer in the wiki: * is there a maximum length of tags (keys and/or values)? (I'm sure there was one, but I don't know if there's still a limit today) * if there is, what is it (and is in it number of bytes, or number of characters)? Greetings Ben

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Ben Laenen
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? 2m =2.0m It reduces *indication of accuracy*. There's a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying Interstate Relations

2010-02-07 Thread Ben Laenen
Chris Hunter wrote: According to the WIKI and some discussions back in April ( http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-April/000976.html) and again in September ( http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-September/001597.html ), the US Interstate system was going

Re: [OSM-talk] Street name abbreviations

2010-04-24 Thread Ben Laenen
Andrew Gregory wrote: I'd been thinking for a long time that the OSM wiki needed a table with some common street name abbreviations (if it exists, I can't find it). When I started surveying I kept on finding weird abbreviations that took some searching to figure out (all the other online maps

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Ben Laenen
Felix Hartmann wrote: If in OSM we really want to get in more mountainbikers, we have to start with unofficial routes. I will think about it for the night, and put up a wiki page tomorrow, put some notices on this on the big forums (hopefully they will get ~5000 pageviews, put them in my

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Felix Hartmann wrote: On 03.05.2010 21:47, Ben Laenen wrote: Here's the thing: we just do not map unofficial routes. Only the ones that are signposted. There are enough sites where you can submit your route suggestions, and there's no reason why this should be in the OSM database. Well

Re: [OSM-talk] License change: database rebuild schedule

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 12 March 2012 20:06:13 Alex Barth wrote: - Is there an official database rebuild schedule and where can I find it? - Until when exactly will the pre-license change OSM database be available? While we're on the subject: is the algorithm that determines which objects will be deleted or

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 26 July 2012 11:48:39 Jo wrote: Anyway, as far as OSM goes, it's the first mapper who maps something who decides on which order is being used. Slightly more difficult: It's true that the first mapper decides for the region of Brussels-capital, which is bilingual. But in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 July 2012 04:56:43 Tirkon wrote: Rue de Quelque Chose Iets straat With names it can be compacted as Avenue John Doe laan For me as a non native dutch/french this looks obfuscating. Is this the way you find it on the streetname-signs

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey for people with color vision deficiencies about the street classes in OSM's Mapnik style

2012-10-09 Thread Ben Laenen
Is there a way to see the proposed colour changes for someone who isn't colour blind and can't take the test? Ben On Sunday 07 October 2012 15:54:02 johannes.kroe...@hcu-hamburg.de wrote: Hi there, I am a geomatics student currently working on my bachelor thesis (in Germany, not sure how

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Ben Laenen
Maarten Deen wrote: As highway=path means no motorized traffic, it might be a footpath or cyclepath or bridleway (or others). That's the more specific part. highway=path doesn't mean no motorized traffic, if means no wide vehicles. So no cars, but mopeds are still allowed. Greetings Ben

Re: [OSM-talk] Countries that have NOT had any imports?

2010-09-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: with all the talk about imports recently, I am wondering which countries have actually _not_ seen any imports so far? I.e. which communities have chosen to build all their data from traditional surveying and ignored any

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-07 Thread Ben Laenen
Ed Avis wrote: Patrick Kilian osm at petschge.de writes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles-Brussel.jpg See two names on the ground. To me that would suggest putting the French name into 'name' I suggest you don't, or you'd end up in an edit war otherwise. Linguistic issues

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

2010-12-17 Thread Ben Laenen
Toby Murray wrote: In my area it looks like a couple of small rural grass strips was added. The hospital helipad was initially duplicated but then re-deleted in a subsequent changeset by the same user. So it looks like there was at least SOME attempt at de-duplicating things, even if it was

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Nathan Edgars II wrote: Thomas Davie wrote: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. I agree that we can't clearly show that they're not at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread Ben Laenen
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: To all active members of OSM ! I found that only 250 or so OSM contributors out of 250.000 are actually members of OSMF. That is about 0.1 %. Nevertheless it's that 0.1 % that actually decides what will happen with OSM in the close

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Dermot McNally wrote: On 10 June 2011 22:16, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: I think you are confusing support the relicense with accept the relicense and that difference is significant. Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between grudging

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-08 Thread Ben Laenen
Richard Weait wrote: After careful consideration, effective immediately Mikel Maron, Andy Robinson and Mike Collinson have access to the moderation system across the main OSM mailing lists. They will use their best judgment according to the a

[OSM-talk-be] Crane rails [was: Re Idea!]

2015-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2015 13:55:04 Glenn Plas wrote: I'm being paid to keep ArcelorMittal site in Zelzate up to date, I actually receive detailed plans from AM to accomplish this. Especially all their emergency exist are very important to them. Ah, I was wondering when I was redrawing all

Re: [OSM-talk-be] route = foot

2015-01-20 Thread Ben Laenen
Dit zijn stukjes over pleinen waar enkele routes over gaan, je kan moeilijk het hele plein toevoegen omdat je dan de exacte route verliest, en aangezien er niets verschillend in realiteit is kan je er ook niet echt een highway=footway of pedestrian aan geven. Vandaar dus route=foot/bicycle, en

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