OSM is important to know i
think. I have no specific hypothesis here. But obviously such
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But this is also a different matter unrelated to the Wikidata IDs in
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approval though. There are
likely also locals who do not think this is a good idea but due to the
low intensity and low volume of edits they don't see it necessary to
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roblem because if you have some info from Wikipedia
(like a certain name or coordinates) that you don't know the source of
and that you cannot verify independently from other sources or from own
local knowledge it is not information you should enter into OSM a
It in
particular needs to tell the mapper what types of wikidata object
should be referenced here and how a mapper can find the correct ID for
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his would allow mappers to embrace bot edits but also allows them
to reject this and decide they only want to interact with other craft
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different approaches to solving problems. It is a good idea
not to try pretending these differences do not exist and that you can
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t; Andy, Wikidata ID is not correct or incorrect -- [...]
Then it is non-verifiable data and does not belong in the OSM database
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in map rendering but so far i have not seen any
practical proposal for a client rendered vector tiles concept that
would be able to serve the mapper feedback purposes of the current OSM
standard style. Rory's port of OSM-Carto to vector tiles is not
suitable for client side rendering.
me' is definitely an issue, in particular in regions that are
largely multilingual (i.e. where several language have a strong base
and there is no clear primary language) but also if locals specifically
want to serve outside interests. The way this is currently often
solved by having several na
groups, giving them what market research tells you
they want and giving up on the core of what makes the OSM standard
style unique and forms a significant part of what attracts people to
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is also fine.
Why should i attempt to change their data model to be identical to that
of OSM (which would be a hopeless endeavor anyway because how things
are represented in OSM is constantly changing)?
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geographic wikipedia articles that describe several different concepts
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etmap/osm2pgsql/pull/684
My original idea stands: It would be good to have an idea how far the
visual impact of dropping broken geometries has been reduced and if it
has reduced a lot it would make sense to actually remove them in the
standard map relatively fast before the numbers increa
rt has significantly reduced the visual impact rolling out this
change to the OSMF servers would have. I would assume it has but the
OSMI does not really allow for a proper assessment here.
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the self intersections. ;-)
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infractions by ceasing some activity or doing something you neglected
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data) is something that can be done both before and after a redaction
without problems. And Frederik already indicated the DWG supports
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n haben, andere überprüfbare Tags
überlegen und sie verwenden. boundary=exclusion_zone + access=* wäre
ein mögliches Tagging für eine ganze Reihe von Verwendungen,
Zugangsbeschränkungen für Flächen ist aber oft auch ein Problem der
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Vergaß zu erwähnen: Es gibt auch eine Voransicht - die allerdings so
weit ich mich erinnere auch noch Änderungen enthält, die bis jetzt noch
nicht im master sind:
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opinion in open discussion even if it appears to you they are in error
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being used much less even in fairly strictly OSM related projects that
the OSMF would probably have no problem with using the name.
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offers a product called "OpenStreetMap Data in
Layered GIS Format" [1] - that is certainly a nominative use but at the
same time also "sell(ing) stuff with OSM’s brand on it" as per section
3.4.
[1] http://www.geofabrik.de/data/geofabrik-osm-g
enStreetMap' when
advertising commercial services and products based on OpenStreetMap
data. This could be considered to fall under 3.3
(nominative/referential use) but 3.3.3 specifically excludes commercial
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idend sein, dass sich die OSM-Aktiven auch in größerer Zahl dort
beteiligen. Ist dies erst einmal der Fall ist eigentlich auch
sichergestellt, dass die Interessen der deutschen OSM-Community im
Verein ausreichend repräsentiert werden.
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ey are member of a relation or not -
which is a good thing and ultimately should also make it easier for
mappers understanding how multipolygons work.
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chen Mapping
und Datennutzung. Und um nochmal auf den Ausgangspunkt zurückzukommen,
oft sind dabei die 90-Prozent-Lösungen erfolgreicher, was natürlich
ärgerlich ist, wenn man irgendwie mit den restlichen 10 Prozent zu tun
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anlegen und - falls ein Objekt mit capital=4 nicht existiert - davon
ausgehen, dass das nächst niedrigere capital=* diese Funktion erfüllt.
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machen möchte oder seine Arbeit teurer ist als die des Mappers (was
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Gibt dazu auch einen Diary-Eintrag, wo ich schon ein paar Kommentare
hinterlassen habe:
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pproach to the matter than a purely
after-the-fact approach to protecting the data.
This does not mean i am convinced this is ultimately the best solution,
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of aggregation is necessary to make the data ok to be published.
Obviously just replacing each user name with user is not
going to cut it. Without clear rules here anyone who publishes
anything based on such data would be in a legal mine field.
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at the functionality of HDYC is not really that
complex. Writing a replacement for it would certainly be quite a bit
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tters which need to be considered separately.
>
> I don't think Michał was mixing those two different matters.
Michał made a connection to privacy concerns regarding Google StreetView
which were exclusively about the recorded data and not about the
recording metadata (which Google obviousl
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uch eigentlich für solche Anwendungen gut, wenn es so
was wie ein anonymes OAuth gäbe, also wo osm.org nur mitteilt, dass das
ein angemeldeter Nutzer ist, wo es aber keinen Access Token gibt.
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rch die Anmeldung auch
neue Nutzungsdaten an (sprich: Du kannst dann erkennen, wer sich denn
für wessen Mapping-Metadaten interessiert). Wäre schön, wenn Du diese
Daten nicht speicherst und dies per Datenschutzrichtlinie auch
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Commercial products/projects: 13
Academic research: 12
Local communities international: 12
Local Japanese community: 10
General technical subjects: 9
General community subjects: 7
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gieren. Ist dies
erst mal der Fall, ist zu hoffen, dass sich die Leute auch einbringen
und dann ggf. den Verein so mit- und umgestalten, dass er OSM
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uld not
means the task in question is undesirable or even unimportant, it just
means that ten other things are considered to be more important.
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owsing - than an always on message on the map display. Of course
many app developers do not look for a good way to do this but just look
for the least generous way to avoid getting sued.
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are western and
central Europe (mostly, there are gaps even in that, in particular in
the Italian Alps). And these are obviously not particularly difficult
in terms of forest mapping.
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l mapping activity.
However as long as the bad quality Corine data is there and meant to
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> a simple collective database?
I am not sure about the relevance of your question here. The data set
you refer to is licensed under ODbL which is permissible for OSM data
both in a collective database and a derivative database
ation.
I don't think it would be appropriate for the standard map style to
render these figures independent of physical observable properties like
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keep them.
Of course this task would be technically non-trivial, many of these
polygons are large, a lot of big river polygons that should be split
into smaller ones etc.
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of large scale tracing work seems a much more productive
way and much more compatible with normal manual mapping in OSM.
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ecision process transparent.
But this is just my personal view of course and i am not in a position
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we are grateful for the bids to host State of the Map
> (OSMF) and we are happy to help interested groups prepare future
> bids.
Is this process openly documented somewhere? Last Sotm WG minutes on
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes#StateoftheMap_Organizing_Committee
h a lot of input from various
sides for half a year - so at this stage this is more about
communicating this change to a wider range of people (and also
application developers) than about "opening a discussion".
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particular it would be important to
know if there are situations where the new database schema leads to
incorrect mapper feedback through the the way things are rendered.
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related to the process of digitizing data for use in OSM.
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his/her work
actually makes it into the main OSM database. In the past this has
often been a problem with specific permissions for restricted access
data. License terms or terms of use of a service should not require
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min boundaries and OSM based basemap features
instead of between the admin boundaries and your special thematic
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The name 'SOTM EU' is probably too often read with a political
connotation - better to see it just as SOTM Europe, in principle this
could take place outside the EU as well - Switzerland, Norway,
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inable approach. The better way might
be to think about making OSM more welcoming and more attractive to
rural communities.
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munity is interested in outside advise how to
productively map large and remote areas without imports i am sure there
are many people who would be glad to provide input. But lets separate
this from the discussion here (which is about wikidata tags).
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cal mapper after moving away and how
far you can become a local mapper during a short term visit is an open
question. But this is just minor semantics. The important thing is
that OSM is primarily about local knowledge and human assessment of the
on-the-ground situation.
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e sitting in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver [is] really more
of a local mapper on Devon Island or Ellesmere Island than someone from
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n reverting others' work. The on-the-ground rule usually
gives us a very powerful tool to resolve conflicts, something that
other communities like wikipedia lack.
And the user blocks - which are the only real power of the DWG - are
well documented on http://www.openstr
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which are very useful for the community. Fixing them is
something where a manual approach with local knowledge is considered
desirable by most mappers though.
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added without actually looking at the
data and the real world situation. Rory already explained this for one
case but you can widely look around there and find many more.
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desirable by the expensive humans on a per case basis.
If this seems unreasonable to you it could be a good idea to consider
OSM might not be the right project for you.
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ou usage
statistics for the values used:
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On Wednesday 04 January 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> There are circumstances where it is legitimate for a
> Wikidata value to be used more than once.
Then you'd need to change the tag definition on the wiki to reflect that
(and to explain what these circumstances are).
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n error but taginfo tells us
that there are more than 22000 wikidata values that are used more than
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o the most common tag for
indicating tidal features is tidal=yes and not water=tidal.
You do not seem to render natural=shoal and wetland=tidalflat which are
the dominant ways of mapping tidal areas at the moment (though
admittingly wetland=tidalflat does not really make much sense for rocky
tid
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Die meisten heute produzierten hochwertigen Landkarten werden nicht mit
einem einzigen Werkzeug produziert, sondern kombinieren eine Vielzahl
unterschiedlicher Werkzeuge für die verschiedenen Verfahren und
Arbeitsschritte.
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taltung?
> Mehrfachnennungen möglich ;-)
Das verbreitetste Werkzeug im Bereich handgestalterer Karten heutzutage
ist vermutlich Adobe Illustrator.
Merke: man kann zutreffende negative Analogien nicht unbedingt in
positive umwandeln.
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mit 'nem CAD-Programm...
...oder wie Textsatz mit Word.
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nd (ab nächstem Mal)
> öffentlich.
Sehr erfreuliche Entwicklung, vielen Dank.
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that but something like "using
free tile services from osm.org" + a donation link would not seem
inappropriate to me.
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h positiv, aber nicht nur einfach
irgendwie machen, sondern bewusst schauen, was man ändern kann und
sollte, um der Idee einer Vertretung der deutschen OSM-Community
gerecht zu werden.
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proposed text design is kind of strange by the way since it
emphasizes 'StreetMap' relative to 'Open' - even though 'Open' is, as
most know, the only part of the name that truly fits (Simon also
mentioned this on github by the way).
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ele Arbeiten am Stil lassen sich ja
auch ohne das gut machen.
Ansonsten ist es immer noch so, dass aufgrund des anderen
Datenbank-Namen ('osm' statt 'gis') kein Betrieb auf des selben
Datenbank möglich ist ohne dass man project.yaml/project.mml
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re desirable for other reasons
anyway.
Some more background information and a link to an implementation of this
idea can be found on
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