Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney

2018-06-03 Thread Warin
+1 for the LIP Imagery and Base Map. I have been doing a few places - the shopping areas for tourist spots as that is where I think most of navigation demand is. At the centres of a block the street name is fairly obvious. The corners can be tricky for the street name .. but if the number

[talk-au] Perth Canning Rv wetland Relation: 8337801

2018-05-31 Thread Warin
Hi, I have repaired Relation: 8337801 - wetland marsh that had been altered by an Apple person. It was identified by OSMinspector as a probable error (and boy was it). It is now closed and has no crossing members. So technically better. But I am far from local .. so it lacks verification.

Re: [talk-au] Small culverts/bridges in bushland

2018-05-30 Thread Warin
On 30/05/18 18:10, Jonathon Rossi wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 5:34 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 30/05/18 16:03, Jonathon Rossi wrote: I would say both of these should be mapped as bridges. Problem: Personal disc

Re: [talk-au] Small culverts/bridges in bushland

2018-05-30 Thread Warin
On 30/05/18 16:03, Jonathon Rossi wrote: I would say both of these should be mapped as bridges. Problem: Personal discussion being shown on public list.. If you want more than the two of you  to contribute then hold the discussion here. :) I'd like to, but the problem it causes is

Re: [talk-au] Small culverts/bridges in bushland

2018-05-29 Thread Warin
On 30/05/18 02:26, Jonathon Rossi wrote: I finally got a response on the changeset, thanks for the pointer Warin. The response unfortunately isn't the clearest explanation of why fords were added when a ground survey wasn't performed since you can rarely see culverts from aerial imagery. >

Re: [talk-au] Small culverts/bridges in bushland

2018-05-22 Thread Warin
On 23/05/18 00:56, Jonathon Rossi wrote: Hi, Lately a mapper has been adding heaps of fords in SE QLD bushland along with more creeks/streams, however I've noticed quite a lot of the fords aren't actually fords based on my local knowledge of the area. I tried commenting on a changeset

Re: [Talk-in] Tagging VCBs

2018-05-22 Thread Warin
I too see it as a weir. Tagging questions are best asked on the tagging forum rather than the general forum. On 23/05/18 05:32, Arun Ganesh wrote: I'm unable to exactly understand how the VCB works, also there seems to be no other resources that describe this structure apart from the Kerala

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-21 Thread Warin
similar to seasonal they are applying both tags.  I think seasonal is not rendered and intermittent is .. and that could be motivation for some to apply the intermittent tags to the seasonal waterways... On Mon, May 21, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Warin wrote: I have started a draft f

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-20 Thread Warin
I have started a draft for ephemeral. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ephemeral On 19/05/18 12:08, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 19/05/18 11:38, Ian Sergeant wrote: flow=ephemeral, maybe. water-presence=ephemeral? On 19 May 2018 at 11:44, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-18 Thread Warin
On 19/05/18 11:38, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 19 May 2018 at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Some are using stream=ephemeral ... low usage. I'd rather go with ephemeral=yes as that then can be used on 'lakes' and other things. flow=ephemeral, maybe. water-presence=ephemeral

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-18 Thread Warin
On 19/05/18 11:02, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 16/05/18 07:35, Warin wrote: Many inland waters in Australia are 'intermittent' meaning they only flow when there is rain and that rain may only occur every 5 years or so on average. The vast majority of Australian stream are non-perennial

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-15 Thread Warin
On 16/05/18 03:05, Andrew Wiseman wrote: Hello, My name is Andrew, I work for Apple’s Maps team. We are interested in doing some fixes and improvements to inland water features in Australia on OSM, such as adding and improving geometry of polygons for lakes and wide rivers, fixing broken

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

2018-05-09 Thread Warin
In reverting, OSM looses the information that these new people made. OSM also looses a potential new mapper, as I doubt they will return following their attempted addition being removed. There are large additions in some parts of the world being made from commercial firms - eg petrol

Re: [OSM-talk] Android program with a custom map style

2018-05-06 Thread Warin
On 07/05/18 00:45, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I am looking for an Android application that has bicycle-focused map style available offline. I am looking for features like - ability to distinguish road based on surface (=sand =dirt =asphalt should be easy to distinguish) In OSMAnd there is a

Re: [Talk-GB] Toys R Us

2018-05-05 Thread Warin
On 06/05/18 00:24, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 5 May 2018 at 14:24, Adam Snape wrote: I too disagree with intentionally ignoring outdated information. +1 However, we cannot know from our armchairs whether a store is disused but still signed What if t is? It is no longer

Re: [talk-au] Morton Bay National Park should have it's ID numbers under ref=

2018-05-03 Thread Warin
+ 1 name is for the name only. On 03/05/18 15:52, Andrew Harvey wrote: I agree. On Thu., 3 May 2018, 2:02 pm Joel H., wrote: Hello, I'm just noticing around Moreton Bay Marine Park. Many nature_reserves are currently formatted as follows: name= Honeymoon Bay

Re: [talk-au] Wagga to Echuca survey

2018-04-20 Thread Warin
Where I have come across conflict I have sometimes used alt_name with source:alt_name to provide for both... Bullenbung might be a PC form of Bullenbong. On 20/04/18 17:06, Nick Hocking wrote: Surveying the area between Wagga and Echuca last week I have noticed the following. a) At the

Re: [OSM-talk] Villages with no highways

2018-04-08 Thread Warin
In Papua New Guinea there are villages without roads ... people there travel by foot, plane or boat! The terrain is such that vehicle roads, even for bicycles, is impractical. I don't have detailed knowledge of Africa to say if these villages could be real or not... but I would hesitate to

Re: [Talk-GB] Bottle Kilns

2018-04-06 Thread Warin
There are more building=industrial so that may get some rendering eventually. And a kiln/bottle making is an industry so it does fit. On 06/04/18 16:40, Russ Phillips wrote: Forgot to add: Elsewhere, someone suggested using kiln=bottle_kiln and building=industrial instead of 

Re: [Talk-GB] Bottle Kilns

2018-04-05 Thread Warin
On 06/04/18 03:04, Adam Snape wrote: Hi, How about disused as a lifecycle prefix rather than a simple tag eg. disused:man_made=kiln +1 I don't think much of disued=yes * building=industrial * kiln=bottle_kiln * man_made=kiln * product=pottery * disused=yes * historic=building Which bit is

[talk-au] Coastline mods leading to problems with other features.

2018-04-04 Thread Warin
Hi, I have found a few minor problems with some coastline modifications performed by the microsoft team members. Some of these I have fixed myself, others have been fixed by the authors. However Relation: Sydney Harbour (1252425) and Relation: Brisbane Water National Park (5860233) are now

Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2018-03-26 Thread Warin
Hummm There area number of places around me that have name:ru ... yet there are no signs with this language on them. And there are some in other languages too... I see nothing wrong with that. These names do not have to be present on a local sign. So I see nothing wrong with having

Re: [talk-au] Surveillance camera?

2018-03-26 Thread Warin
surveillance:zone=traffic for a traffic camera and surveillance:zone=surf for a surf camera. I know "zone" doesn't seem the best word for this but it's what's already in use. On 25 March 2018 at 17:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote:  I see no

Re: [talk-au] Surveillance camera?

2018-03-25 Thread Warin
 I see no problem ... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=surveillance  No mention of what is being looked at ... In fact there is no mention of it!!! People, traffic, weather, surf, fire, ... So go ahead .. use it. I have added a suggestion for

Re: [talk-au] LPI NSW Base Map land parcel numbers

2018-03-21 Thread Warin
They are house numbers and can be used in OSM. On 22/03/18 01:53, nwastra wrote: I found this discussion from Jan 2017 which discusses the street numbers on the LPI NSW Base Map and it seems I can use the info in the OSM

Re: [talk-au] Couchsurfing

2018-03-03 Thread Warin
Similar to Warmshowers and Airbnb ... not for OSM Unless it is a gust house that is easily identified as such from the street. If it is a private residence without any signs then it should not be mapped. For comments on Airbnb see

Re: [OSM-talk] Limitations on mapping private information

2018-02-14 Thread Warin
On 15-Feb-18 12:29 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2018-02-14 14:10 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny >: On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 00:50:32 +0100 Tom Pfeifer > wrote: >

[talk-au] Manns Beach Vic.

2018-02-12 Thread Warin
Hi, Following the many changes made by Bardaster the relation for the admin boundary of Manns Beach has been destroied ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manns_Beach,_Victoria. This never had an admin level .. does it have an admin level? If not I'll remove the relation. Note the changes

Re: [talk-au] Location "signs" - what are they?

2018-02-06 Thread Warin
On 07-Feb-18 05:14 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: I tend to treat these in rural areas as "city limit signs" ("Welcome to X"). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign#Tagging I would maybe tag a residential area with the sign name for a 'neighbourhood' / 'real estate development

Re: [talk-au] Routing through a park that doesn't have actual paths

2018-01-31 Thread Warin
hu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:48 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: A 'well known' routing problem. Exists for areas of concrete too ... I think if you tag an area as pedestrian, or as steps .. routes will not go across them. For an area

Re: [talk-au] Routing through a park that doesn't have actual paths

2018-01-31 Thread Warin
A 'well known' routing problem. Exists for areas of concrete too ... I think if you tag an area as pedestrian, or as steps .. routes will not go across them. For an area of steps the bottom, top and sides can have ways that are paths ... that gets around the routing issue. In the longer term

[talk-au] Mens Shed

2018-01-27 Thread Warin
Hi, I have added a men's shed ... https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5359849540 tagged as an amenity=community_centrewith a website link. I know that past discussions have been had with someone from the shed organisation that came to little with some in the organisation saying it increased

Re: [talk-au] Mapping Indigenous Place Names

2018-01-26 Thread Warin
t more. I think name:aus should only really be used if you don't know which more specific ISO code to use. On 27 January 2018 at 07:53, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: Should the English language one

Re: [talk-au] Mapping Indigenous Place Names

2018-01-26 Thread Warin
While Australia has some 300 native languages, Papua New Guinea has some 800... Yes I support entering the native language .. possibly both name:aus and a more specific language code where known (a duplication)? There are probably places where language groups over lap and there may be more

Re: [talk-au] Tag:emergency=water_tank

2018-01-22 Thread Warin
On 23-Jan-18 11:22 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi Tag:emergency=water_tank wiki page talks of a 'large water basin' and the photo is of an underground tank. Is this tag suitable for above ground fire fighting tanks as are common in Victoria, eg

Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS info when pub has been taken over.

2018-01-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Jan-18 09:46 AM, Colin Spiller wrote: I have similar near here. Keep the address at least! Remove the fhrs:I'd seems sensible. old:name would seam sensible too. Colin Sent from TypeApp On 20 Jan 2018, at 22:42, Andrew Black

Re: [talk-au] Deserts, mapping and sources

2018-01-19 Thread Warin
Best to have both? Then take a conservative approach - where both say desert, map it as desert. However these do not say the names of the deserts and the boundaries between these deserts - some of them share boundaries. The present OSM data has a number of deserts mapped as nodes .. so they

Re: [talk-au] Deserts, mapping and sources

2018-01-16 Thread Warin
On 17-Jan-18 12:48 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 17/01/18 10:49, Warin wrote: Hi, OSMand has started rendering deserts. I note that only the Simpson Desert in OSM so far is Way: Simpson Desert (168949121) ... I cannot find the source for this. It would be nice to map the other deserts

[talk-au] Deserts, mapping and sources

2018-01-16 Thread Warin
Hi, OSMand has started rendering deserts. I note that only the Simpson Desert in OSM so far is Way: Simpson Desert (168949121) ... I cannot find the source for this. It would be nice to map the other deserts that we have too. A good source for this would be the 'Interim Biogeographic

[talk-au] Road Classifications south of Yulara

2018-01-14 Thread Warin
Hi, I've just noted that the old Gunbarrel Highway is classified secondary along with some other roads. I don't think they are rated that high.. possibly territory? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40614939#map=9/-26.3611/131.5695

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

2017-12-28 Thread Warin
On 29-Dec-17 07:28 AM, Mark Goodge wrote: On 28/12/2017 19:31, Lester Caine wrote: Get the return address right ... On 28/12/17 16:12, Colin Spiller wrote: I've been adding postcodes in the Bradford BD area using Robert & gregrs useful tools. I've just noticed that the Shell station at the

Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

2017-12-27 Thread Warin
Repetition can be reduced using JOSM. Set it to 'expert mode' Requires a plugin 'utiltools' or 'More Tools'. Create your addresses along one street without street name, postcode, sub etc - just the house number. Finished? Ok - create a node with the street name, post code etc. Now ^C it to

Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

2017-12-27 Thread Warin
On 28-Dec-17 12:30 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Hi Jubal The missing OSM information in Australia that would be, by a large margin, the most usefull, would be address data (and building footprint, if available). If we had address data then OSM maps would be usefull for the genberal public to

Re: [OSM-talk] shop windows on differnt streets

2017-12-27 Thread Warin
On 28-Dec-17 08:55 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Catonano > wrote: I hope this is the right place to ask about tagging There s this shop that has shop windows on 2 streets https://imgur.com/a/icpwJ

Re: [talk-au] Rendering of BBQs

2017-12-25 Thread Warin
On 26-Dec-17 11:10 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: On 25/12/17 23:37, Arthur Geeson wrote: Is there a reason that BBQs are not being rendered? Just out of interest, what would the tag be?  There isn't much that's too obvious at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=barbeque#values .

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Website Data

2017-12-18 Thread Warin
On 19-Dec-17 05:42 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: 18.12.2017 19:14, Frederik Ramm пишет: Hi, On 12/18/2017 03:09 PM, SK53 wrote: Personally, I'd also be chary of turning OSM into a repository of scraped data rather than one of surveyed geodata. And more: the more imports you do, the more

Re: [talk-au] Tagging dog off-lead areas

2017-12-12 Thread Warin
On 13-Dec-17 10:08 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: On 13 December 2017 at 09:31, Philip Mallis > wrote: I have been considering how to tag parks that allow dogs to be off-lead. I’ve had a look through the discussion on a proposed

Re: [talk-au] Using "national_park" rather than "protected_area" tags where appropriate

2017-12-06 Thread Warin
I too don't think the leisure tag should be added to national parks as a default. What is the point then of the national park tagging? Some sections of national parks are not available for leisure so the leisure tag is inappropriate, these include 'wilderness' areas. Those areas have a higher

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

2017-12-04 Thread Warin
On 05-Dec-17 08:42 AM, Yves wrote: I like the idea of voting to praise a good documentation. The tools are available in the wiki, so why not try it out on a non debatable tagging scheme (maybe landcover wouldn't be a good idea for a try). Yves There is usually room for improvement in any

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

2017-12-04 Thread Warin
There is a specific OSM list for tagging .. where proposals are discussed, etc. This is in addition to any wiki discussion! The proposal process should get contributions from those interested in tag improvements and additions. But OSM does allow the creation of new tags by anyone without

Re: [Talk-GB] Reception desks

2017-11-16 Thread Warin
be gained.  So I am not too worried about mapping it. So I leave it up to those concerned? On 16-Nov-17 11:58 PM, Edward Catmur wrote: On 16 Nov 2017 01:01, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: A reception desk may not have a recepti

Re: [Talk-GB] Reception desks

2017-11-15 Thread Warin
From tag info amenity=reception_desk 121 uses tourism=reception_desk 3 uses office=reception_desk 0 uses There are a few buildings named 'Reception', I think those are not named but used to indicate where the reception function is. I have one of these myself. On 15-Nov-17 10:03 PM, Marc

Re: [OSM-talk] Odd mapping in Atar Mauritania

2017-11-08 Thread Warin
On 09-Nov-17 07:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 8. Nov 2017, at 18:47, Andy Townsend > wrote: This is certainly how the centre of London got mapped, and many other places too I suspect we still have some of them

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Warin
On 02-Nov-17 09:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 02/11/17 09:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this. I think the problem is similar to the multiple areas problem. There are several layers of complexity so should landuse=residential enclose the

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Warin
On 02-Nov-17 08:58 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: 2017-11-02 11:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis wrote: The current situation is not helping in producing useful maps. Too often I find myself in a residential area with large gardens and trees when I expected to find a real forest based on what OSM is

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Warin
On 02-Nov-17 08:49 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 02/11/17 09:13, Tomas Straupis wrote: IMHO there are semantic implications in the key, as has been said many times, <...> And that is subjective -> nobody is wrong -> everybody is right -> everybody thinks THEIR proposal is the right one -> this

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Warin
On 02-Nov-17 05:42 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 02.11.2017 o 07:14, Warin pisze: On 02-Nov-17 02:31 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote: Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing and then harvesting?? And don't mean anything else? The closest I have is 'forestry

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Warin
On 02-Nov-17 02:31 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote: If OSM were to have landuse=plantation there would need to be a further tag plantation=cotton/tobacco/coffee/sugar_cane/trees/banana///house/bushes/* Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing and then

[talk-au] WA - NT lakes to intermittent

2017-11-01 Thread Warin
Hi Some lakes have been added along the WA NT boarder. These are I think intermittent and I have changed them to that. These were added using scan aerial - by a non local. Lake Mackay is one of them. However there maybe more that I think should be changed if you are not already tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-31 Thread Warin
On 01-Nov-17 03:10 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote: On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 01-Nov-17 09:24 AM, Stephane Goldstein wrote: B) depreciate landuse=forest and introduce a cle

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-31 Thread Warin
On 01-Nov-17 09:24 AM, Stephane Goldstein wrote: B) depreciate landuse=forest and introduce a clearly defined landuse=forestry that only includes tree areas that produce base material for human use. Managed forest for product harvesting  are commonly identified as Plantations,

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-31 Thread Warin
On 01-Nov-17 02:26 AM, Christian Rogel wrote: "Landuse=forest" may remain for large forests off the inhabited places. No! Only if the tree area is to be used for the production of material for human use. IF not then it is not a 'land use' but a 'land cover' and should not be tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-31 Thread Warin
On 31-Oct-17 07:54 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 31.10.2017 07:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:> one tag for what? An area with trees? A forest? How would you define> "forest"? One tag that can be used for mapping both the things currently mapped as landuse=forest, and the things currently mapped as

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-31 Thread Warin
On 31-Oct-17 05:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 31. Oct 2017, at 00:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Depreciate natural=wood and introduce landcover=trees. landcover=trees is already introduced, I’m using it for years and others do the same. Ju

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-30 Thread Warin
On 30-Oct-17 10:23 PM, Dave F wrote: On 29/10/2017 21:42, Warin wrote: And then when the trees are harvested in a forestry operation the tag natural=wood could be removed with the result that the land use would be lost.. Irrelevant, it could also be removed if it were landuse=forest

Re: [talk-au] BYO drinks at restaurant

2017-10-29 Thread Warin
Possibly fee:corkage=yes? On 30-Oct-17 02:20 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: To be honest, I don't think this is useful, but I guess that is up to the mapper.  - Ben. On 30/10/17 14:04, Nick Hocking wrote: If byo=yes, then it would be useful to know if corkage is charged, and if so, how much.

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-29 Thread Warin
On 30-Oct-17 01:16 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 27.10.2017 00:49, Dave F wrote: The woods/forest problem is one of the worst tagging cock-ups in OSM. Indeed. The current mess is especially disappointing because it hasn't always been that way: The status quo is the result of an attempt to

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-28 Thread Warin
On 28-Oct-17 10:54 PM, Dave F wrote: On 27/10/2017 20:53, Warin wrote: On 27-Oct-17 08:25 PM, Dave F wrote: You appear to be differentiating based on size & location which, seeing OSM's output is visual & geospatial seems unnecessary. *All* groups of trees are 'natural' so there sho

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 08:21 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: I have no idea what "landform" can be, so I don't have an opinion on that. Some land forms; peak cliff saddle ridge valley However "natural" key for trees ( https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=trees maybe?) sounds perfectly valid for

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 09:17 PM, James wrote: landuse= man made and maintained natrual= it made itself(which is 99.9% of the time the case) Two different things. 'landuse' does not imply man made, but the use of the land. 'natural' implies made by nature, and this is hard for a mapper to be certain

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 08:25 PM, Dave F wrote: You appear to be differentiating based on size & location which, seeing OSM's output is visual & geospatial seems unnecessary. *All* groups of trees are 'natural' so there should only be one primary tag. All "purposes" should be within sub-tags. Your

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 09:49 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: 2017-10-27 12:25 GMT+03:00 Dave F wrote: You appear to be differentiating based on size & location which, seeing OSM's output is visual & geospatial seems unnecessary. If we make no such distinction, then in order to be topographically correct,

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 09:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I can't ignore the landcover argument in this context, and still believe the natural= key should mean: "a geographic feature", not "something natural" (as opposed to artificial). I would tag a peak with natural=peak regardless of human

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 06:52 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: Some info on how/why forest/wood tagging is used in Lithuania. I will not give specific tags (forest vs wood, landuse vs natural etc), because in my opinion that is a secondary issue. Let's say we have tags F1 and F2. F1 is for general forests. Those

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-27 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 04:51 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: On 27.10.17 00:49, Dave F wrote: [...] I think you'd be hard pressed to find any area of trees which hasn't been managed in one way or another by humans; especially in the Western world. [...] There is a theory nowadays that woods should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Topology rules

2017-10-26 Thread Warin
On 27-Oct-17 12:00 AM, Joseph Reeves wrote: A problem i find is with landuse=forest. Formally, those are zones that are used for growing trees. But practically in OSM, that tag is used for any land that is covered with trees. So formally, landuse=forest shouldn't overlap with

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

2017-10-21 Thread Warin
On 21-Oct-17 07:13 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 21/10/17 08:55, Gregrs wrote: Bottom line ... there should be separate objects where that is necessary and it would be nice if the larger operations such as Rugby School helped with detailed campus maps as many of the collage and university sites

Re: [Talk-in] old_name tag for merged Associate State Banks

2017-10-13 Thread Warin
Revert the name changesets and start again? The new changes should then place the original name into old_name and introduce the new name. On 13-Oct-17 11:08 PM, Srihari Thalla wrote: Chetan, Is there any possibility to update them via script? I am not sure if Overpass API can download

Re: [talk-au] The place Biniguy

2017-10-10 Thread Warin
On 09-Oct-17 06:38 PM, Warin wrote: On 09-Oct-17 06:13 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On 9 October 2017 at 16:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: One problem is that 'locality' does not translate well. I'd think that any admin are

Re: [talk-au] Tag physical business location with their PO Box number

2017-10-09 Thread Warin
Both addr:postal and contact:postal have a little use according to taginfo. Neither have a wiki page to explain their use. Given the use of the key contact: I would prefer contact:postal and document its use on the OSM wiki. If you want more input/ideas then contact the tagging group? On

Re: [OSM-talk] Scientific paper on "Information Seeding"

2017-10-09 Thread Warin
On 10-Oct-17 09:07 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Monday 09 October 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: today I was pointed to a recent, open-access scientific paper called "Information Seeding and Knowledge Production in Online Communities: Evidence from OpenStreetMap". This open-access paper is

Re: [talk-au] The place Biniguy

2017-10-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Oct-17 06:13 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On 9 October 2017 at 16:04, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: One problem is that 'locality' does not translate well. I'd think that any admin area would have someone resident in the

Re: [talk-au] The place Biniguy

2017-10-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Oct-17 04:33 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 7/10/17 08:59, Warin wrote: Rather inconsistent! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biniguy,_New_South_Wales says the population 2011 was over 600. Yeap, need to be careful when interpreting ABS data. In 2011 Biniguy was a 2500 square

Re: [talk-au] The place Biniguy

2017-10-07 Thread Warin
ess. -Original Message- From: Warin [mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 7:59 AM To: talk-au <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> Subject: [talk-au] The place Biniguy Hi Using https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/unmapped#7/-29.612/150.480 there are some 'places' that

[talk-au] The place Biniguy

2017-10-06 Thread Warin
Hi Using https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/unmapped#7/-29.612/150.480 there are some 'places' that look like they can be 'improved'. However that are some that identify obvious inconsistencies!  Biniguy in OSM is mapped as a; locality (no population) relation 6069701 hamlet (small

Re: [OSM-talk] A thought on bot edits

2017-10-05 Thread Warin
On 06-Oct-17 02:37 PM, JB wrote: Le 05/10/2017 à 22:50, Yuri Astrakhan a écrit : I like the "bot=no" flag, or a more specific one for a given field -  "name:en:bot=no" - as long as those flags are not added by a bot :) Ho… We are now manually contributing one more tag to say it was

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-09-25 Thread Warin
On 25-Sep-17 07:49 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: Oh, in case I wasn't clear - what I said above was not with irony; indeed, for my personal use, I want a map that shows me names I can read. Which, I assume, everyone does. Yes, of course - we

Re: [Talk-in] Adding wikidata tag for Rivers and National parks in India.

2017-09-18 Thread Warin
On 18-Sep-17 06:39 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: I am trying to add wikidata tags for rivers and national parks. Noticed few are mapped as relation(group of lines) and others mapped as shape. Is there any standard we follow ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Naveenpf/sandbox#Rivers_in_India

Re: [talk-au] Interchanges

2017-09-16 Thread Warin
To me they are not tourist things. They are navigation things that 'we' use to signify where to turn or go straight on ... so usefull for navigation. There was some talk about named highway junctions or was it traffic lights being used in Japan .. will have to look that up. If there are no

Re: [talk-au] MapRoulette Challenge for invalid phone numbers in Victoria.

2017-09-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Sep-17 10:26 AM, Simon Slater wrote: On Friday, 8 September 2017 7:36:57 PM AEST Andrew Davidson wrote: With that in mind I've created a MapRoulette Challenge (http://maproulette.org/) that only covers the phone and fax numbers in Victoria that can't be read to a valid number. The task is

Re: [talk-au] Emergency Access Point phone tags

2017-09-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Sep-17 04:24 PM, Rhubarb wrote: I would've put most of these in over the last several years or so (especially along the main yarra trail, Melbourne). At the time I put phone=000 as that's what the emergency marker signs listed to contact in case of emergency (along with the marker

Re: [talk-au] MapRoulette Challenge for invalid phone numbers in Victoria.

2017-09-08 Thread Warin
hts on 000 ... remove it. Could be dialled accidentally thinking that you were ringing that particular feature, like a fire station. On 08/09/17 19:45, Warin wrote: On 08-Sep-17 07:36 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: I noticed that someone had already set up a MapRoulette Challenge to fix phone numbers in

Re: [talk-au] Phone numbers

2017-09-06 Thread Warin
the number work from wherever it is dialed and makes it universally unique. So +1 to this format when tagging in OSM and noting this in the Australian Guidelines wiki. On 6 Sep 2017 2:37 PM, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi,

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach routing

2017-09-06 Thread Warin
On 06-Sep-17 07:28 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-08-30 11:56 GMT+02:00 Richard >: On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 12:53:43PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > This really needs routers to be able to route over areas, the same issue

Re: [OSM-talk] a sample panoramic aerial image for 3D mapping made with the new DJI Spark quad-copter

2017-09-02 Thread Warin
On 03-Sep-17 12:53 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 1 September 2017 at 14:37, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: I received today my new DJI Spark quad-copter and made a panoramic aerial image with it: Impressive pic. Curious about the drone, I found this review:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

2017-08-28 Thread Warin
The guidelines were formulated for data additions. This should guard against things being entered into the data base that are questionable. This is a data deletion - a very different thing. In this case it is required, ethically at least. I have looks at some 6 in 'my area' and they all

Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-15 Thread Warin
On 16-Aug-17 05:27 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: The wiki is after all intended to document how people map not dictate how they should map. I would think that the wiki should guide to the best mapping method, not what people have done in the past (as found using taginfo for example!).

Re: [Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

2017-08-14 Thread Warin
On 14-Aug-17 11:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: On 14/08/2017 14:47, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote: I do not agree your change of the Wiki. You should ask before to do it. Ask who?? Don't think there is a formal process to change the wiki, and I have made a few changes without comment. I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] Multiple coincident boundary nodes. Data quality issue ?

2017-08-11 Thread Warin
Basic agreement with Colin. The 'problem' is better described as 'data bloat' rather than 'quality' which implies inaccuracy. I add the following observation I am beginning to see that the ways should have a source tag. This then means that where ways are coincident that the sources

Re: [Talk-GB] Building that have been replaced

2017-08-03 Thread Warin
How different is the footprint of the new building? I would think that the new building will be of a similar size to the old one - given the planing permissions. So unless you intend to put in the new building .. I would leave it alone - that gives at least an indication that there is a

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