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https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/25/20883706/facebook-ar-glasses-prototypes-live-maps-announce-oc6 According to a video, it will produce “multi-layer representations of the world” using crowdsourced data, traditional maps, and footage captured through phones and augmented reality glasses

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Sorry I but I disagree. Yoga is a long tradition in OpenStreetMap ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPq4X47x3x0 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 10:04:46 AM GMT+3, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone > On 7. Aug 2019, at

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sent from a phone > On 7. Aug 2019, at 03:34, Naveen Francis wrote: > > Try YOGA it will help you. I don’t believe this is an acceptable comment in the OpenStreetMap context, it may be at wikimedia, here it is not. Cheers Martin ___ talk

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Hello Nuno I get your point Try YOGA it will help you. thanks, naveenpf On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:18 PM Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > Às 11:02 de 29/07/2019, Naveen Francis escreveu: > > > > On the rhetoric question:- > > We are using OSM maps life savings projects. > >

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sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2019, at 23:54, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > About this lovely OSMF corporate member, 9 months since i asked > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082702.html them to > fix attribution and they are still attributing OSM maps to HERE. a round of

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sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2019, at 18:35, Kathleen Lu via talk wrote: > > I don't think it's disingenuous at all for Facebook to use their own POIs > instead of OSM's. what Joseph said was: “... it's disingenuous if Facebook claims to be strongly supporting OSM, while continuing to

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i agree with Kathleen here, we don't need their junk POIs. Actually we shouldn't have anything to do with companies that uses OSM the way they do without complying with the license and OSMF guidelines. This is still to be taken into consideration

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I don't think it's disingenuous at all for Facebook to use their own POIs instead of OSM's. Wasn't the whole point of the Collective Databases principle and the Collective Databases Guideline specifically to enable this type of usage, so that those interested in OSM did not have to make an "all or

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I misquoted Mikel Maron by saying he called Facebook's example of this AI technology in OSM "a balance between turbocharged and exploitation." In fact, he has told me he dislikes both terms immensely in this discussion. I regret my error and apologize to Mikel. SteveA

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Besides the tech boosterism, another issue is that it's disingenuous if Facebook claims to be strongly supporting OSM, while continuing to keep their valuable user-provided data in a separate, proprietary database. Facebook and Google have the two best lists of POIs like shops and restaurants,

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(I chose the wrong source email address; apologies if anybody gets this twice). Thanks, Jóhannes. I did try FB's tool myself and was pleasantly surprised it does a "looks OK for now" job of how Mikel put it earlier: "a balance between turbocharged and exploitation." I hear you as you say

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31. júlí 2019 kl. 19:01, skrifaði "stevea" : > Just because, as you say (and I agree), that "human mappers have not been > able to produce high > quality maps worldwide" doesn't mean that we can't, we simply must strive to > do better. And we do. > And we should using available tools like AI,

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Right (or nearly right, imo), Kathy: thank you for your reply. I didn't say OSM absolutely DOES have high quality. In my last decade of mapping here, I certainly have seen it get better (in pockets) as well as worse (in smaller pockets), so on the whole, it gets better / higher quality. What

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I agree that human wisdom is critical to high quality, and AI isn't useful if, at the end of the process, it doesn't produce quality output, but I will challenge this statement: "you can have high quality without AI." I don't think that's definitively true for a global map. It's very difficult to

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Oops, "social conscience." (not conscious) SteveA ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

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I believe introducing into OSM technologies based in AI / machine learning REQUIRES a concomitant discussion about how the data WILL BE high quality, because they are quality assured (and perhaps here is a brief sketch of our QA process, or a pointer thereto). Anything less feels disingenuous

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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:41:17AM +0200, Michael Kugelmann wrote: > Am 25.07.2019 um 11:36 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > > And IIRC it was about a > > collaboration with the local community in Thailand which their first aim > > was. > I just remember that the "collaboration" in Thailand some time ago

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John, Kathleen, thank you for this perspective I did not have. Yves Le 29 juillet 2019 19:25:34 GMT+02:00, john whelan a écrit : >I agree with Kathleen. Given that smartphones are more common than >internet connected computers and it is easier to add or change tags on >a >smartphone than add

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No need to argue that much about it: I think everyone will agree that we should not, at any case, add a track in OSM that doesn't exist. It can be dangerous in any emergency situation anywhere in the world. Yves ___ talk mailing list

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:53:07 -0400 Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:19 AM Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > speaking about risks, having an incomplete network of verified, > > correct roads is probably more useful and less troublesome than an > > "overcomplete" one which also

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Map filled with nonsense is even worse, new mappers are much more scared by deleting thinks than by mapping new ones. 29 Jul 2019, 18:57 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > On the other hand, if the map of your area is completely blank, it looks very > daunting to a new mapper, who may be

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Am Mo., 29. Juli 2019 um 19:00 Uhr schrieb Kathleen Lu via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org>: > I personally would much rather have a 101% map than a 1% map. > it depends what you want to do with it, for data statistics or geocoding I'd also prefer a 101% map over a 1% map, but if I were to hike

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Also, fully accurate data is a myth, even if we only have 1% completeness. Once data is beyond a certain size, it is guaranteed to be wrong, simply because humans always make mistakes and things always become outdated. We can only discuss how close we are to the ideal "perfect accuracy", and what

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I agree with Kathleen. Given that smartphones are more common than internet connected computers and it is easier to add or change tags on a smartphone than add a long highway at least the locals stand more chance this way. Cheerio John On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 1:00 PM Kathleen Lu via talk, wrote:

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On the other hand, if the map of your area is completely blank, it looks very daunting to a new mapper, who may be discouraged and abandon OSM (either as too difficult to improve and as too poor quality to use). The map is constantly changing because roads and other things on the map are changing

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Re: "OSM map with a one percent of roads is far worse than having 101% of the roads mapped with the help of AI with 1% of extras, because fixing that 1% is far less work than adding 99% by hand" I'm not certain this is true. It might be very difficult to find the 1% of incorrectly mapped roads;

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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:19 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > speaking about risks, having an incomplete network of verified, correct > roads is probably more useful and less troublesome than an "overcomplete" > one which also contains non-existent roads (e.g. waterways interpreted as > roads) or

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Now you are being obtuse. 29. júlí 2019 kl. 11:53, skrifaði "Nuno Caldeira" : > I don't see the attribution on that map, or that website has an > exception like Facebook seems to have too? > > Oh it does attribute, but you have to scroll down to see it. must be a > UX mistake...

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Às 11:02 de 29/07/2019, Naveen Francis escreveu: On the rhetoric question:- We are using OSM maps life savings projects. https://keralarescue.in/map/ . (2018 Kerala floods maps) So both quantity and quality are equally important. I don't see the attribution on that map, or that website has

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Hi, On 29.07.19 11:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Almost a week has passed by. Have their been attempts by the board or a > working group to get rectifications of the media outlets in order to > make clear that there is no collaboration between OSM and Facebook for > this ai project? The board

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Am Mo., 29. Juli 2019 um 12:05 Uhr schrieb Naveen Francis < navee...@wikimedia.in>: > We are using OSM maps life savings projects. https://keralarescue.in/map/ . > (2018 Kerala floods maps) > So both quantity and quality are equally important. > speaking about risks, having an incomplete

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Thanks Simon for the caution. Taking the of help AI doesn't mean that we do comprise on the quality. All the methods for initial road tracing, GPS tracing, Satellite image tracing or AI-assisted human mapping (which I have tried) has limitations. On Indian roads, we try to document as much as

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Am Do., 25. Juli 2019 um 22:06 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm < frede...@remote.org>: > Hi, > > On 7/25/19 17:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > so it is an official OpenStreetMap effort, the OpenStreetMap-Foundation > > is involved, and this is their statement? This is the impression I would > > get

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Am 25.07.2019 um 11:36 schrieb Florian Lohoff: And IIRC it was about a collaboration with the local community in Thailand which their first aim was. I just remember that the "collaboration" in Thailand some time ago (might be years) was quite poor: by using AI generated data simply thrown into

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I'd love to move into rational and studied discussion of corporate involvement in OSM and the application of machine learning techniques.  It's easy to get caught up in rhetoric. I dislike "turbocharged" as much as I dislike "exploitation". The entire application of machine learning is plagued

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Am 26.07.2019 um 19:30 schrieb Naveen Francis: > Including my ₹ 0.10 (Indian ten paisa) >   > Echoes same thoughts of Brazilian Real.  > > AI-assisted human mapping tools will be a good aid for the OSM community. > > "Map faster, Map better".  > > 40,00,000 kms to be mapped in India.  > 15 years

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In a paralell thought, we could use more of Sentinel satellite weekly updated images 10m resolution in OSM for this kind of land covers. >Arun Ganesh >And yes, those glaciers have probably melted away and theres >no practical way to ground truth them - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sérgio -

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Well put stevea! Lets not forget what originally brought many of us here together (at least from my interactions with many of you in real life), a dream that humans could create the most accurate representation of the world through open collaboration.The support of FB massively increases the

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That's also why I've always emphasized that the link for OSMF-talk email list SHOULD be accessible for everyone to know it and read it (even if not signed to that mail list) to be aware of what's going inside OSMF talks. Not some hidden link in one in a thousand of wiki pages (I forgot it again).

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Excellent, Christoph. I'll say that I have been (for decades, sometimes at a higher-level) in software (and data) quality assurance (QA) in major software companies (Apple, Adobe), some of whom make privacy and ethics important components of their way of doing business. (Obviously, some

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Including my ₹ 0.10 (Indian ten paisa) Echoes same thoughts of Brazilian Real. AI-assisted human mapping tools will be a good aid for the OSM community. "Map faster, Map better". 40,00,000 kms to be mapped in India. 15 years of OSM mapped 18,00,000 kms. thanks, naveenpf On Fri, Jul 26, 2019

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On Friday 26 July 2019, stevea wrote: > [...] > However, does that mean that "nice tech" is tech which SHOULD be > applied to OSM? Some (Frederik, others) say no, or perhaps holds his > nose as he watches it happen anyway. Others, who might make an > argument that applied AI tech has similar

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I recall reading an article "The paid mappers are coming!" several years back, it seemed to alarm many, though it didn't spell the end of OSM. Now we have "the applied intelligence is here!" doing much the same thing (being poorly introduced into the consciousness of our community, tripping

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On 26/07/2019 11:54, Mike N wrote: On 7/26/2019 4:34 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap I'm not a corporate wonk, but I'll note that in my region, "Amazon Logistics" is effectively solving the Last Mile Mapping problem: how to include driveways into

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Mikel, On 26.07.19 11:49, Mikel Maron wrote: > I for one would not say anything if I did not personally believe it. I > am not here representing corporate interests (at this very moment I'm > writing this from the middle of Nairobi's largest slum working on OSM, > rather than a comfortable room

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On 7/26/2019 4:34 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap I'm not a corporate wonk, but I'll note that in my region, "Amazon Logistics" is effectively solving the Last Mile Mapping problem: how to include driveways into routing.Based on ground truth,

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>"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salarydepends >upon his not understanding it."  Ok it's a pithy quote. Is it possible that however well written, this quote may not always be right? that it's difficult but not impossible to get a man or woman to understand

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On Friday 26 July 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The most well-know version is from Upton Sinclair's campaign to > become governor of California in the 1930's: > > "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary > depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair -

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The most well-know version is from Upton Sinclair's campaign to become governor of California in the 1930's: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair - See https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/11/30/salary/ Upton

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> Whoever reads this and does not have deeper insights into the workings of the OSMF must get into the impression that HOT is an official part of the OSMF / OpenStreetMap, i.e. OSM is collaborating with FB. Well that very well might be true about perception. But Facebook did not say that OSMF

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>From Christoph... > The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap and the OSM community has  > meanwhile all the characteristics of a cult .. But i have strong doubts > meanwhile that arguing with people who are  fully immersed into the belief > system of corporate PR regarding OSM is  of

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@mikel in Fakeboosts own blog post there is still the misrepresentation of the role OSM plays in this project, due to HOT appearing to be an official OSM body (by the mere utilization of the OpenStreetMap trademark in their company name): “The RapiD tool was developed in conjunction with those in

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i share the thoughts and concerns shared by Christoph. It's not surprisingly that most of these companies are "tied" or are client/service providers of each other, some are even Corporate members of OSMF. Who would bite the hand the feeds? Blaming third party media outlets, when Facebook

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On Friday 26 July 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > This is probably normal for corporate PR people, but for me it's just > disgusting. And in that conflict in my eyes you can see the core of the problem. The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap and the OSM community has meanwhile all the

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This is just another badly written article by a third party. As someone else on thread said, hardly the first time a media piece gets OSM wrong. Take a look at facebook’s own words here  https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/ I’m sure there’s plenty of

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Hi, On 25.07.19 22:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: > This press release is on the same level as "Cloudmade's > OpenStreetMap Project" so many years ago. In case anyone doubts that - https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2019/07/facebook-ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world.html

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Just adding my R$0,02 (Brazilian Real). I guess soon the AI assisted Human mapping will happen, it may be a very good help. But I can't evaluate what's been publicized July 23, 2019 by https://ai.facebook.com/blog/mapping-roads-through-deep-learning-and-weakly-supervised-training "To browse our

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I would like to publicly, sincerely thank Martijn for saying that here. SteveA > On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > I did. After Drishtie Patel announced a preview of this project[1] I gave it > a go and shared my observations with them. > Martijn > > [1]

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Hi, On 7/25/19 17:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > so it is an official OpenStreetMap effort, the OpenStreetMap-Foundation > is involved, and this is their statement? This is the impression I would > get from reading this paragraph without background information. No it is not. This press release

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I also tried it out after Drishtie's post, and was impressed with many of the considerations in the process. The team developing this is indeed very open to feedback and have iterated a lot. I had also been watching this work as it moved alongside great strides in quality checks in iD.

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sent from a phone > On 25. Jul 2019, at 15:42, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > > "“The RapiD tool was developed in conjunction with those in the mapping > community who have been working in this area for many years. Because this > tool was built with their input, it is already having an impact,”

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I did. After Drishtie Patel announced a preview of this project[1] I gave it a go and shared my observations with them. Martijn [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711 > On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:16 PM, stevea wrote: > > I'm not sure whether Martijn said this or not

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https://venturebeat.com/2019/07/23/facebook-speeds-up-mapping-data-validation-with-machine-learning-tools-map-with-ai-and-rapid/ "Facebook says that the mapping data validated by Map With AI — which will be publicly available — might help to inform disaster urban planning and development

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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 09:07:01PM +0100, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > so grateful of "The project is a collaboration with OpenStreetMap (OSM)". I > might have missed the announcement, can anyone pinpoint me the link of such > collaboration being announced? > Hope they find some spare time in the future

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Sure, James. I'm simply calling this as I see it here, in context, with an appropriate audience. SteveA > On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:02 PM, James wrote: > > News outlet sensationalizes story to attract views to its website.I can't > think of one example of this ever happening in the history

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News outlet sensationalizes story to attract views to its website.I can't think of one example of this ever happening in the history pf the planet p.s. I dropped this: */s* On Wed., Jul. 24, 2019, 5:32 p.m. stevea, wrote: > An article such as that proposed by John would almost be a

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An article such as that proposed by John would almost be a master's thesis if done correctly and would likely put the typical BBC reader to sleep. Such an article would suffer from the constraints of concision typical in mainstream Western media, which means simply the topics would not receive

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The BBC article is missing a lot of context and details. The actual Facebook post - https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/ - notes both the importance of human mappers and the local community's on-the-ground contributions, and states "We became close

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On 24/07/2019 22:15, john whelan wrote: Could someone clarify with the BBC to describe the process and emphasize the community aspect of OSM. Yes - you can do that yourself at http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ , or maybe try the link from

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to be honest I dont find anything about the collaboration. about they being a corporate member and to be caution to what we say, i this this sums it up when they dont: Foundation and community expectations We expect Corporate Members to conduct themselves as good citizens of the OpenStreetMap

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My personal view is I think using AI to identify potential highways and buildings is fine but there needs to be a process that includes manual review. Basically the import process. I think my concern was more the idea in the article that suggests OSM welcomes AI mapping and by implication

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On 24/07/2019 20:56, John Whelan wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49091093 I note "Martijn van Exel" is quoted. I'm sure if the BBC wanted to do some actual journalism they could ask some OSM contributors in Thailand what their view was (see e.g.

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sent from a phone > On 24. Jul 2019, at 22:16, Tom Hughes wrote: > > I think it's a unilateral self-declared collaboration ;-) We should be cautious with this, they are a corporate member and on the advisory board, so clearly there is some documented kind of collaboration, or at least it

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I think it's a unilateral self-declared collaboration ;-) Tom On 24/07/2019 21:07, Nuno Caldeira wrote: so grateful of "The project is a collaboration with OpenStreetMap (OSM)". I might have missed the announcement, can anyone pinpoint me the link of such collaboration being announced? Hope

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I'm not sure whether Martijn said this or not, I'm not sure if the BBC reporter was spoofed, I'm not sure what "Map with AI" is (a front, cover or shell company for Facebook or one of its many arms?), I'm simply not sure about virtually everything regarding this story. It seems like a meme

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so grateful of "The project is a collaboration with OpenStreetMap (OSM)". I might have missed the announcement, can anyone pinpoint me the link of such collaboration being announced? Hope they find some spare time in the future to add the attribution on the maps on their website and apps.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49091093 Did I miss a discussion on the subject or an announcement from Fredrick on this? I note "Martijn van Exel" is quoted. Many Thanks Cheerio John -- Sent from Postbox ___ talk