Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-06-15 04:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: As far as I know, I have probably contributed data in the following circumstances: *Mapper A who has not accepted the change to ODbL drew two intersecting roads. *I note in person that there is a recently-added island

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Andreas Perstinger wrote: How did you noticed that there is a right-way turn lane? Probably not by looking on the OSM map because then it would have been already there. So you have another source (local knowledge, bing, ...) from which you got the location of this way - you derived the

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-06-16 15:48, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Andreas Perstinger wrote: How did you noticed that there is a right-way turn lane? Probably not by looking on the OSM map because then it would have been already there. So you have another source (local knowledge

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: Am 15.06.2011 06:59, schrieb Russ Nelson: Michael Collinson writes: As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is technically practical. This will mean that anyone who has explicitly

Re: [OSM-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
benlast wrote: All such additions or edits submitted to OSM prior to 17 June 2011 may be held and continue to be used by OSM under the terms in place between OSM and the individual which submitted the addition or edit at the relevant time. Quick, everyone armchair-map Australia for the

[OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
I've read the current version of the contributor terms and have a question: If you contribute Contents, You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those Contents under our current licence terms. As far as I know, I have probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote: Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes sense to me.. This was before my time, but from what I understand

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/13/2011 5:54 PM, Henk Hoff wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote: Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was taken.This isn't the board, but the entire

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/11/2011 4:43 AM, Thomas Davie wrote: On 10 Jun 2011, at 23:01, Nathan Edgars II wrote: You're still conflating two decisions. To continue with your referendum analogy, someone may vote no on construction of a new arts center, yet still patronize it once it's complete. But one cannot

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: On 10 June 2011 22:16, TimSC lt;mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.ukgt; wrote: I think you are confusing support the relicense with accept the relicense and that difference is significant. Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: On 10 June 2011 23:01, Nathan Edgars II lt;nerou...@gmail.comgt; wrote: I cannot think of any democratic process where only the 'yes' voters are allowed to participate in the results. Can you? About a year ago, Bavaria held a referendum to ban smoking in just

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: On 10 June 2011 23:35, Nathan Edgars II lt;nerou...@gmail.comgt; wrote: It's a flawed analogy, since there were two decisions for smokers: whether to vote yes or no on the referendum, and (after it passed) whether to patronize these places. With OSM there is only

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/10/2011 7:49 PM, Dermot McNally wrote: On 11 June 2011 00:15, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're being deliberately obtuse That's amusing coming from somebody who thinks he can inhibit the use of data he has declared as PD, but let's carry on... Eh? I don't

Re: [Talk-us] New orthoimagery for NC

2011-06-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/10/2011 5:31 PM, James Umbanhowar wrote: The state of North Carolina has released 6 inch resolution orthoimagery for the entire state that was taken during leaf off time in 2010. These are great quality for all types of mapping. The information about the service is at:

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the - and /

2011-06-09 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/9/2011 3:54 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:08 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the ref tags on highways in the US just to replace the

[Talk-us] East end of I-44 (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/8/2011 2:29 PM, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: This shot shows the road as all 4 interstates and US-40 at once. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8ll=38.617642,-90.181049spn=0.00824,0.013078z=17layer=ccbll=38.617746,-90.181461panoid=etjY4kn9oqoecsdYSjoXqwcbp=12,285.92,,0,5.98 (This shot is

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the - and /

2011-06-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 4:08 AM, James Mast wrote: I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the ref tags on highways in the US just to replace the space and put in the hyphen. (I noticed this when going to load the I-77 NC relation to add in speed limits I saw and wrote down

Re: [Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

2011-06-07 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/7/2011 12:55 AM, Dion Dock wrote: On 6/3/2011 9:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Oh wow. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonSquare/edits contains the following: landuse=military on the US border religion=christian denomination=anglican landuse=cemetery on the UK leisure=park on France

Re: [Talk-us] shields and overlaps

2011-06-07 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/7/2011 9:30 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: I-64, I-70, I-55, I-44, US-40 AKA, the Poplar St Bridge in St Louis, MO. It is the only quad Interstate route in existence. I-70 will reroute in 2015 and it will go down to a tri route. It also carries the designation Historic Route 66 and has

[Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/4/2011 7:06 PM, Chris Lawrence wrote: Reminds me, we need to add some notation for unsigned routes in relations (the only approaches I can think of are either to tag it as roles on each member, with things like unsigned;west sometimes - which is icky but would work - or having separate

Re: [Talk-us] shields and overlaps

2011-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/4/2011 9:46 PM, James Mast wrote: Also, are you going to try to add proper Future Interstate shields? Currently in Google, they just show a normal Interstate shield. It might give people a proper reason to tag these posted Future Interstate correctly instead of without the Future tag. I've

Re: [Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/5/2011 12:15 AM, nat...@nwacg.net wrote: In Arkansas, routes are not unsigned or (except in very rare cases) cosigned. The route ends where it meets a route of higher priority and begins again as a new segment elsewhere. There are a lot of states that do this internally. But most sign

Re: [Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/5/2011 12:22 AM, Richard Welty wrote: however, there are unsigned routes in NY; state maintained routes which have designations but which do not have signage, and some county routes. Three states - Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee - have an unsigned state designation for every segment of

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the - and /

2011-06-03 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 4:08 AM, James Mast wrote: I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the ref tags on highways in the US just to replace the space and put in the hyphen. (I noticed this when going to load the I-77 NC relation to add in speed limits I saw and wrote down

[Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

2011-06-03 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.722lon=-75.094zoom=10layers=M I'm currently looking for the source; please report here if you find and fix it first. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Huge erroneous military landuse

2011-06-03 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 6/3/2011 9:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.722lon=-75.094zoom=10layers=M I'm currently looking for the source; please report here if you find and fix it first. Oh wow. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonSquare/edits contains the following: landuse

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification (trunk)

2011-06-02 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 3:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 03:00:03 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Perhaps the best way to handle it would be to render a wider line if oneway=yes and not lanes=1 or if oneway=no/unset and lanes=4 or more. Thus divided highways would not need a lane count

Re: [Talk-us] is it just me

2011-05-30 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/30/2011 4:06 PM, Steve Coast wrote: ... or does this map look like an older Texas osmarender layer screenshot plus a tilt-shift blur added? http://www.wm.com/contact-us.jsp The use of name=Interstate Highway 45;Gulf Freeway is a dead giveaway:

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 1:50 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 01:00:25 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/29/2011 12:37 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: US-441 between St. Cloud and Yeehaw Junction could easily be trunk by NE2's definition Nope, since any through traffic will be on the Turnpike. US

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 2:30 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: I think that trunk is more useful if it's prescriptive, more along the lines of a motorway than primary and below. If we aren't going to do that, we need to come up with another value for highway and get it rendered by default. It's something that map

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 5:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: subtle mass vandalism This is why I ignore Paul. Though I really wonder about this edit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14751094/history ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 8:09 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: FSM knows the aerial imagery around here is outdated, to put it mildly. Try the NAIP imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Agriculture_Imagery_Program ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 3:39 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Sat, 28 May 2011 15:19:03 -0400, Anthony wrote: In my experience the difference between primary and trunk is generally very minor, to the point where I'm not sure there'd be any advantage at all in a router using it as a hint. But maybe that's just

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 9:13 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: So you continue to assert that trunk is most useful if it essentially a duplicate of primary? Maybe a duplicate of your version of primary, but not mine. Take, as an example, US 84 in western Alabama. Why on earth did you change it to trunk when it's

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 9:47 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Another example is US-71 between Fort Smith and Texarkana. It is in fact the fastest route between Fort Smith and Texarkana, but it is terribly slow going. The fact that it is the fastest route between those two regionally important cities is adequately

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2011 10:52 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Only if trunk has a meaning that implies that a road tagged trunk is somehow better than a road tagged primary, which it apparently does not, at least in some people's minds. If you're going to waste trunk on curvy two lane roads, a router may as well

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 12:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: Would I be correct in stating that tagging an undivided 2 lane (one lane in each direction) highways would be improper, even if a state calls the highway a trunk for planning purposes? Especially if it's in the middle of a town with a low speed limit. I

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 9:34 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 5/27/11 9:26 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/27/2011 12:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: Would I be correct in stating that tagging an undivided 2 lane (one lane in each direction) highways would be improper, even if a state calls the highway a trunk

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 10:04 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:26:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: No, trunk is also used for a major intercity highway that's not a freeway. Take a look at the UK and their network of trunks. I'm sorry, I thought I posted to talk-us. My mistake. ;) Seems

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 12:00 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 05/27/2011 09:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: if you peruse the wiki, and make a reasonably through search for definitions of trunk in the US, you will find an extensive complex of contradictions and inconsistencies. Maybe someone should find all these

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 9:51 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Fri, 27 May 2011 12:17:53 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Also, I don't know how major a road between Dumas, TX and Texline, TX really is. If it weren't a US highway, I'd probably demote it all the way to secondary. It's on the National Highway

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/27/2011 10:41 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Besides, if importance to the route network is the only consideration, we ought not be using trunk at all or all US highways ought to be classed as trunk. Eh? A lot of U.S. Highways are no longer the most important highways, since they are paralleled

[Talk-us] Trouble in Google-land?

2011-05-21 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Those of you who get off on schadenfreude might be interested in this thread: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4464.0 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] DB fixer?

2011-05-18 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28397519/history This way seems to have been reduced to only those nodes at intersections, obviously wrong given the curves in the road. Can anyone explain what this DB fixer is and how much damage it's done?

Re: [Talk-us] DB fixer?

2011-05-18 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/18/2011 8:31 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I've just tried this with the case you cited and it seems to work. First time I've used P1 for ages. ;) And you just gave me 311 conflicts in JOSM :) Oh well, I'll find a way around it. ___ Talk-us

[Talk-us] 2010 NAIP imagery finally available via WMS

2011-05-15 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
I'm not sure if all 2010 imagery has been added, but some from Florida (where the latest available had been 2007) was just added in the past week, and some in Kentucky was also added recently. This can be used in JOSM and perhaps other editors via the URLs on

Re: [Talk-us] 2010 NAIP imagery finally available via WMS

2011-05-15 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2011 5:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if all 2010 imagery has been added, but some from Florida (where the latest available had been 2007) was just added in the past

[OSM-talk] What happened to the bounding boxes in the history?

2011-05-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=-82.063%2C28.21%2C-80.887%2C28.784 There's no way to tell, going down the list, which ones are huge changesets that cover the entire world and which ones are confined to this area. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] What happened to the bounding boxes in the history?

2011-05-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/13/2011 11:59 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 13/05/11 16:34, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=-82.063%2C28.21%2C-80.887%2C28.784 There's no way to tell, going down the list, which ones are huge changesets that cover the entire world and which ones are confined

Re: [OSM-talk] What happened to the bounding boxes in the history?

2011-05-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/13/2011 12:32 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: As to scanning the list, what exactly does seeing that there are N big changesets in the list tell you? It tells me which ones I can ignore when looking at recent changes in my area. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] What happened to the bounding boxes in the history?

2011-05-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/13/2011 1:31 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 13/05/11 18:12, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/13/2011 12:32 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: As to scanning the list, what exactly does seeing that there are N big changesets in the list tell you? It tells me which ones I can ignore when looking at recent

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

2011-05-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2011 7:08 AM, Ian Dees wrote: Or you could simply apply the shields to the geometries created by route relations, greatly simplifying the ref parsing crap. Since the tile server is running Mapnik trunk-ish now, you should be able to use the SVG symbolizers (which should allow you to

Re: [Talk-us] Do we want overlaps to be rendered? Or do we want to wait for relation support that may never come?

2011-05-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2011 8:17 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It sounded to me like you were working on rendering with Mapnik. As I've mentioned several times, osm2pgsql creates linestrings for route relations, so all

Re: [Talk-us] Announcing the DC Sidewalks Project

2011-05-07 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2011 9:57 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: What I've done is to create a customized PL2 instance which renders streets and highlights missing sidewalk data. I also provide a background layer of imagery, showing the pavement. From these two things, you can determine if a road has a sidewalk,

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Jaak Laineste wrote: Is there good reason to add addr:country, addr:county, addr:city and other regional tags to all the address tags, if OSM database already has administrative regions for given area? I can't speak for the other tags, but addr:city is not the same as is_in:city. I have an

Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails

2011-05-03 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/3/2011 8:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-02 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/2/2011 2:32 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I believe giving new mappers concrete, attainable goals and a sense of accomplishment - badges - could really help to retain motivation. Goal: I want to make the map around me correct. Adding MMORPG grinding is not the answer, if only because we

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-02 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/2/2011 4:29 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:West_Harrisburg.jpg As such, it could help reduce - though never fully prevent - cases like the one you link to. How is that? West

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/1/2011 2:23 PM, Alan Millar wrote: On May 1, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Every time I go editing in some new place, I always find another reason to hate imports. Yeah... Every time I go editing in some new place, I always find another reason to hate newbies, too. Personally

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/1/2011 5:23 PM, Mike N wrote: On 5/1/2011 3:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: blindly copying route numbers from TIGER into refs I'll have to admit that I have done this for most of the stuff I have ref'd because I usually don't have a more authoritative source. Hopefully you realize

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/2/2011 12:50 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Tomorrow I think I may try to use my local pgsnapshot database to query all untagged, unconnected nodes in the region and nuke them from that. If you can catch the xapi when it's up, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi#Child_Element_Predicates

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

2011-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/30/2011 9:39 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Yes, I deleted the extra version of Highway 163 today. However, there definitely was a second version. This one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/10151896 In changeset: 8008309 Comment:Oljeto Wash I can't see the history so I

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

2011-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/30/2011 9:57 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: But, now there are two ways for the same highway. No there aren't; I undeleted and then deleted the portion in Arizona. I clearly did not delete the only way for 163. Zoom 12 was redrawn between your deletion and my undeletion. Unless someone

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

2011-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/30/2011 10:30 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: South of the Utah-Arizona line, there still are multiple versions of US 163. Perhaps we should hold off on fixes until others have had a chance to look at this. If you're talking about just south of the line, that was my error in adding an extra

Re: [Talk-us] Changes to edited highways

2011-04-30 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 5/1/2011 12:14 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Yes, that was my question originally. I am wondering why I saw two ways when, from your point of view, there was one. And, they definitely were there. As I zoomed in they diverged more and more. Hmm, anyone? Yes, that was the extra node 83731621 at

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Thomas Davie wrote: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. I agree that we can't clearly show that they're not at the same level, because it

Re: [OSM-talk] Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again.

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
jgrocha wrote: Hi, Recently, when I try to upload my edits, the server (or JOSM?) is reporting: Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again. then it waits 10 seconds and continues afterwards. Is this some kind of overload protection mechanism on the server side? Is the server been to

Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI issues

2011-04-17 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
jgrocha wrote: Hi Nakor, I use the API mostly from the command line. Things like (in one line): curl -g http://jxapi.openstreetmap.org/xapi/api/0.6/*[amenity=pharmacy][bbox=-9.2,39.68,-6.2,42.19]; -o farmacias.osm works for me. The output (farmacias.osm) can be load in JOSM, for

Re: [Talk-us] Can anyone explain this TIGER oddity?

2011-04-17 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/3/2011 11:58 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/3/11 11:44 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22fake+state+hwy+35%22 baseless speculation: random census bureau employee puts in a placeholder name, never gets around to correcting it. http://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Nathan Edgars II wrote: Mike Collinson wrote: If you were a contributor before this date and have not accepted yet, you will be asked to accept or decline the new terms. You can find background information about this on the main wiki page [2]. If you use an off-line editor like

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: On 14 April 2011 18:12, Nathan Edgars II lt;nerou...@gmail.comgt; wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: What happens in the future if I decline? Can I accept at a later date? Since there has been no response to this, I plan to: *hold off on accepting or declining

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: I applaud your ethics, but it seems to me that your chosen course of action, unless you do intend to accept at a later stage for your existing account, I do, if we get to the point where we are removing data. -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Frederik Ramm wrote: There are regions in OSM where a visible no vote will lead to your data being re-surveyed and replaced by other contributors rather quickly. This is vandalism and should be reverted. Frederik Ramm wrote: It's a hard language to use. We don't want to lose any

[OSM-talk] Why I am declining (for now) Re: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/14/2011 7:08 PM, David Murn wrote: So, please feel free to tell me where I invented anything? I never said anything about the reason being because my old contributions were tainted. I do understand the dilemma faced by those, but, as far as I know, every change I made can be relicensed

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/13/2011 4:18 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: ways vs. relations. we need the identifier on ways because of the data consumers that expect to render directly. for relations, we should in theory be only including the actual

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-12 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Mike Collinson wrote: If you were a contributor before this date and have not accepted yet, you will be asked to accept or decline the new terms. You can find background information about this on the main wiki page [2]. If you use an off-line editor like JOSM, you will need to manually

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2011 2:05 PM, Richard Welty wrote: for the California situation, i think there's an obvious answer, as the tertiary network appears to be divided into lettered groups: network=US:CA:A That's not the network any more than US:I:95 is the network for I-195 and other spurs of I-95.

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2011 2:26 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: I've also thought that it would be nice to have a tag like admin_level (perhaps the admin_level tag itself) on relations to indicate which level of government is responsible for maintaining the road. No good. Many local governments maintain portions of

[Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
I came across a relation for a school bus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/239393 Isn't this a little too much detail for OSM? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 3:43 PM, Richard Welty wrote: but they do vary from year to year. i worry about importing such data then failing to maintain it. it's very subject to bit rot. The reason I noticed it was because I merged two identical ways that were part of a state route relation, and the server

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 3:53 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The route information would also be of interest to any parents considering moving into a neighborhood So would information about recent sales and foreclosures or reported crimes. I hope nobody's tried mapping either of these. There's a point

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 4:12 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: A bus route is a spatial relationship, and thus makes sense to show on a map. We have a large number of people adding bike route information and/or highway route information to OSM; would you argue that those shouldn't be mapped either? Yes,

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 4:29 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: How would the insertion of these new nodes cause a relation already linked to the way to no longer reflect reality? Does a relation include a list of all of the nodes in the related section of the way? Does any insertion of a new node, say to

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 5:00 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: I don't want ref tags on these, as the shields will quickly get too cluttered in Mapnik. Don't tag for your preference for what the renderer should do... ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 5:19 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: Point taken. I'm still not clear on the correct syntax for the relation, though. It shouldn't really matter as long as it's consistent, now that the new Java XAPI can download relations without their elements. For example,

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 7:05 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 12:43, Richard Welty wrote: but they do vary from year to year. As do commercial bus routes, at least based on the number of stickers with changes on them I see on signage around here. In fact, I'll bet that's on the rise as more/easy

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2011 7:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange County route S18 as: network=US:CA:Orange +

Re: [Talk-us] downgraded highway classification in US

2011-04-09 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/9/2011 8:41 AM, Richard Welty wrote: there are some notes in the Wiki about downgrading state highways to tertiary if they don't connect up to other secondary roads at reasonable intervals. in the spirit of this, when i encountered a county route in Rensselaer County that was a stub that

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-09 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/9/2011 8:41 AM, Craig Hinners wrote: * At the conceptual level, the same string should not be used to represent the networks of multiple states, and some state-unique ID, be it the USPS two-letter abbreviation or otherwise, is needed. Why? We use the same prefixes for many

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-09 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/9/2011 10:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote: This explicitly split out network information should be present in route relations. The ref=* tag on ways right now is mostly tagging for the renderer because current renderers don't use route relations. And tagging for redundancy, since relations break

Re: [Talk-us] downgraded highway classification in US

2011-04-09 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/9/2011 11:18 AM, Richard Welty wrote: i wouldn't, i think, upgrade everything that has full striping as that would mean that most all roads in, say, Saratoga County end up tertiary as the towns there like to spend money on stripes. a standard based on striping makes more sense in Rensselaer

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 12:47 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-07 13:31, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/7/2011 4:09 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: Exit 183 / SR-247 South / Barstow Road is tagged ref=183 + exit_to=CA-247;Barstow Road + exit_dir=South; Does anyone have examples of places where my suggested model

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 2:00 PM, James Mast wrote: I just thought I would throw this out there so this can be settled once and for all. Which ref tag setup do you think should be used for State Highways on ways (not relations)? PA-44 or 44. There's a third way: use the correct abbreviation. So Florida, if a

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 3:03 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: The SR naming leads to ambiguity as to which state's route number is being referenced. Just like name=Main Street leads to ambiguity as to which city's main street it is. I understand the overlap between 20 and 42, but here the solution is to make

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 3:58 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i know NE2 likes to make the prefix go away for state ref tags For Florida, yes, since that's the statewide standard. For other states, I usually don't tag without a prefix. I certainly don't make it go away en masse.

Re: [Talk-us] REF tags for State Highways on ways

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 4:46 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/8/11 4:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Do you have an example of that outside my first few months of editing? this changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5223229 from 7/2010, in which the ref tag for http

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 6:22 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-03-28 12:19, Ian Dees wrote: In this picture: http://www.nomadchallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/likelike-highway-honolulu.jpg What is the proposed tag for the highway=motorway_junction node? Are we tagging the node with exactly what is on

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-04-08 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/8/2011 10:31 PM, James Mast wrote: Well, I was just testing MapQuest and it thinks that I-74's split there from I-77 is the main highway (somewhat). http://open.mapquest.com/?le=thk=7-OEgrKIB6vs http://open.mapquest.com/?le=thk=7-OEgrKIB6vs= It says Stay STRAIGHT to go onto I-74 E. The

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-04-06 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
On 4/6/2011 5:59 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-03-28 12:40, Ian Dees wrote: With that in mind I think it's important that the exit_to tag only include verbage on the sign (and not stuff we make up). IMO, not all the verbage on the sign. I've been tagging name as the name of the exit according

[Talk-us] Can anyone explain this TIGER oddity?

2011-04-03 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22fake+state+hwy+35%22 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

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