Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/4 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: They used the map to pin the locations - the points did not come from some other map. Therefore it is derived (this is precisely the problem with pinning pictures on a

Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO

2009-03-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/3 Celso González ce...@mitago.net: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:16:21AM +0100, Jonas Krückel (John07) wrote: Ian Dees schrieb: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:     I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, Derivative Databases Produced Works

2009-03-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
I've been reading the Use Cases on the wiki and I'm confused. Can anyone help me with where I'm going wrong? I know there's still some discussion about when something becomes a Produced Work so I'm trying to make the use case below a clear cut Produced Work. I download a substantial amount of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, Derivative Databases Produced Works

2009-03-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/3 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Dave Stubbs wrote: Am I missing something obvious, or am I just being sneaky in some way? And is there a way it can be made more obvious in the license if it's actually intended to be that way? I think this is a serious error in the ODbL

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/3 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: 2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data. _Assuming_ we can get the bugs sorted in ODbL, and we

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/3 MP singular...@gmail.com: I think we should find some way to avoid deleting at all. For some transitional time (in which the data will be still under cc-by-sa but we will be collecting consent of users for ODbL) mark data coming from/derived from people uncontactable/disagreeing with

Re: [OSM-talk] It's all too fast...

2009-03-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/3 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: The GPLv3 public revision process was 18 months in multiple phases, and it was based on an existing licence. We are trying to analyse a completely new and untested one and get it to a final version in 1 month. It may well be too quick. And given

Re: [OSM-talk] Bad Bot Activity: Maarten Deen

2009-03-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/2 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: Same here in the Philippines.  Please stop removing the highway = xxx_link tag. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Annoying... Stop stripping highway = xxx_link Just because you are smart

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/2 MP singular...@gmail.com: On 02/03/2009, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: MP singularita at gmail.com writes:  As for the people who can't be reached/refused to accept new license -  what about tagging such data with some tag like license=cc_by_sa to  warn people that this part is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/1 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Nope, not at all, I'm exceptionally concerned about the

Re: [OSM-talk] cyclemap layer z18 trouble?

2009-02-28 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/27 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: Anybody else having trouble with cyclemap at z18? For me, this link delivers only a blank white map area.  The browser claims to have finished loading.  Right-clicking on the map area does not offer view image. I've tried this on Firefox/Linux and

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/27 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Ben Laenen wrote: There's exactly one way to be sure this won't happen: get approval of *all* the people who've been editing OSM. And with a number of around 100.000 mappers I'm very skeptical that you'll be able to manage that. Not true

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/27 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: On Friday 27 February 2009, Dave Stubbs wrote: And even if you take the ultra cautious approach and say all edits are deserving of copyright protection, you can still draw a line around minor edits both temporal and spatial ie: a single edit can only

Re: [OSM-talk] overuse of highway=path

2009-02-26 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/26 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote: highway=path is a single track wheres highway=track is a dual track. ??? Look at the wiki definition of track: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack nowhere it is

Re: [Talk-GB] London's Shortest Street

2009-02-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/24 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Clennam Street is not on OSM, which is shame if the street has this dubious honour of being the shortest. Not living anywhere near, I wonder if someone nearer might like to pop round to get London's Shortest Streets on the map! I'm near there for work

Re: [OSM-talk] Locating objects in Google Maps/Earth

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/24 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org: On Monday 23 February 2009 19:52:37 LeedsTracker wrote: E.g. I take a photo of a level crossing, locate in in Google Maps, upload and tag it in WikiMedia Commons - no problem it seems. Is this different from using the same method to adjust the

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/23 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: Am Montag 23 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs: 2009/2/22 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs: You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting bots can be really annoying

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/23 Yann Coupin y...@coupin.net: Le 23 févr. 09 à 11:26, Dave Stubbs a écrit : So my question is this: given that there /are/ two tags in use, why go to all the effort to change it? Document both and be done with it. And this is helping the data not to turn into a pile of grey goo

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/23 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:46:09 +0100, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: because... 1. ... every application trying to use the data has to deal with several taggings for the same thing. that's an unnecessary waste of resources. a script

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/24 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Dave Stubbs schrieb: 2. ... it is easier for new mappers to have one documented tag for one feature, instead of having to choose... Fine, no problem. I said document both, not recommend both. document both IS recommend both! amenity

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? other duplicate tags [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/24 sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org: mess for someone who wants to use our data. Can't hear that argument 'let the application developers decide what they want' any longer! Looks like an holy war is gone start. Let's try however to keep it low. But I'm a part of that war against

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? other duplicate tags [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
I'd document both for a while, ha ? then why ? If we don't start by a little effort of at least stopping to mentionned them, we will never go forward, don't you think ? Document rather than recommend. The point being that if someone is asking the question, what is amenity=doctor? they should

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? other duplicate tags [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/24 sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org: We could also create a preprocessor that unifies OSM data. I've been thinkink a lot about an osm pré-processor, but not to solve the problem you mentionned. The main problem, to my point of vue, in the duplicates tag case, is not at

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
document both IS recommend both! amenity=doctors - A doctor's surgery. smallerNote: people have also used amenity=doctor for this./smaller Wow. Hard. Hmmm. And that is more helpful for anyone going to use this tag (mapping or rendering or ...) than simply saying: amenity=doctors - A

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-23 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/22 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs: You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting bots can be really annoying. As long as it's documented both ways it can be trivially implemented both ways. but why should we

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/20 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org: amenity=doctors was proposed, but died due to lack of love. Nevertheless, JOSM has chosen to implement it, as has t...@h (I think). * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/GP_Surgery * amenity=doctors *

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle Map layer

2009-02-18 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/17 Matt Toups matt...@cloudmade.com: Dave Stubbs wrote: 2009/2/9 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Where does the Cycle Map get it's coastlines from? I happened to notice that some of the paths I mapped along the sea front near here, which required some adjustment to the coastline, have let

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-17 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/17 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Norbert Hoffmann nhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote: Andy Allan wrote: And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up again a few

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-17 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/16 Norbert Hoffmann nhoffm...@spamfence.net: Andy Allan wrote: And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up again a few months later. Perhaps this is because the concept leftright is so simple -

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside features)

2009-02-17 Thread Dave Stubbs
Oneway is strange in that as well as yes/no you can have oneway=-1 for one way in the opposite direction of the way, and I still can't work out why that is necessary. Because none of the editors had a reverse way tool :-). I think JOSM could reverse a segment, but that's was about it.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it me?

2009-02-13 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/13 Gregory Williams gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk: -Original Message- From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] Sent: 13 February 2009 21:40 To: Gregory Williams Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is it me? Gregory Williams wrote: No

Re: [OSM-talk] josm plugin request: addressing with Karlsruhe Schema

2009-02-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/12 Claudius Henrichs claudiu...@gmx.de: Am 12.02.2009 10:29, schrieb maning sambale: Maybe a plugin that can: when I select a node/building and a street, it fills the name for addr:street from selected  street. If you are using the existing address preset the street name is

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenCycleMap

2009-02-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/12 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: I think something I have done recently has upset the rendering of national route 51 in the UK from Colchester to Harwich. In summary, after mapping much of Harwich and Dovercourt I was able to correct some of what was there, and fill in some gaps. I also

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6 - multirelations

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/9 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: You need the route relation so you can represent easily both a local and international route over the same ways, but it's no big deal if you have to split the 420km international route into three sections.

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle Map layer

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/9 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Where does the Cycle Map get it's coastlines from? I happened to notice that some of the paths I mapped along the sea front near here, which required some adjustment to the coastline, have let to Mapnik and Osmarender layers having the revised coastline, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/8 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Frederik Ramm wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: OK, as long as there's no limit on the number of relation members, I'm happy :-) I'm pretty sure there will be, it is not implemented yet but I believe we said it would be 1.000. Relations with more members become

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/8 MP singular...@gmail.com: Routes can happily be split -- the primary point of relations here is to allow more than one route following the same way. It's not like we're trying to build categories or similar -- we don't need to because we can always match tags. Not always - there can

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenHikingMap - OpenCycleMap

2009-02-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/5 Stéphane Brunner stephane.brun...@gmail.com: Hello, Thanks for this file, I have try last evening but I have a problem to run correctly the svn version of mapnik, I try again this evening. But I have a question, how to include the generated file in a mapnik style file, should I

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenHikingMap - OpenCycleMap

2009-02-04 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/4 Stéphane Brunner stephane.brun...@gmail.com: Hello, With Sylvain Letuffe we progress to create an OpenHikingMap but we have some technical problem. He succeed to create geoTiff files for 1°x1° but if we generate a map of the total world we have thousands of files. And how to

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:smoothness

2009-02-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/2/2 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Ulf Lamping wrote: Yes, if it would use descriptive terms it might solve some problems. But if you think of a better solution it gets really difficult to find better terms thats aimed towards something. smoothness:vehicle would make sense to

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/31 Sven Rautenberg s...@rtbg.de: Pieren schrieb: The problem here is that Chriscf just wants to avoid that this tag is used by others and never proposed some alternative solutions. The current voting is 19 yes and 10 no. If Chriscf cannot convince at least another 10 people to oppose

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging covered reservoirs

2009-01-31 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/30 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: LeedsTracker schrieb: Hello all How should covered reservoirs be tagged? I noticed man_made=reservoir_covered is in the JOSM presets and map features, though a page doesn't exist for it. IIRC, the man_made=reservoir_covered was existing

Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous editing

2009-01-23 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/23 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Looking backward into archives, it seems that only one or two persons are blocking the change... I know one friend who stopped contributing to the project when he saw his work anonymously downgraded and how easy it was. Probably he is not the only one in

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch again

2009-01-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/12 Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl: Thank you Thomas, The image you provided to prove your solution was a complete surprise to me and may contribute to a solution for this everlasting Potlatch Critic. You are right, and I am right. My screen looks entirely different, due to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Temporary Items, overlays, changes

2009-01-08 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/8 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: 2009/1/8 Hendrik T. Voelker hvoel...@nutrimatic.de: Hendrik T. Voelker wrote: So we have to come up with a way to contain alternating versions with time or other kind of restrictions. This would also allow construction sites to be mapped.

Re: [OSM-talk] Temporary Items, overlays, changes

2009-01-08 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/8 David Lynch djly...@gmail.com: I think that temporary and historical prefixes are the best answer to this, possibly with a relation for roads that are different due to the same event, project, etc. I'd keep historical out entirely. I see the point of temporary/intermittent data, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible coastline errors in Potlatch

2009-01-06 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/6 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: The solution is either to move splitting ways entirely to the server (so, although the user hits 'split', the way isn't actually split until the server returns a message), or to fix the server. I'd be interested to know _why_ the server runs so slowly at

Re: [OSM-talk] Postcode tag

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
postal_code -- on Map Features :-) addr:postcode for Karlsruhe Schema compatibility The post code map currently on the featured image accepts either (although the featured image is actually showing the NPE layer, not the OSM derived layer) 2009/1/5 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: What's

Re: [OSM-talk] Inheritance of roles in nested relations

2008-12-21 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/20 Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:53:54 +0100 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hugh Barnes wrote: It's a shame. You have to admit it's a useful device and would reduce duplication of work (creation and maintenance) and storage significantly.

Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to Map Features based on tag usage

2008-12-21 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/20 Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:42:01PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: Why do people use _ instead of , seems very cumbersome really. Because * it's been an OSM convention (standard) since

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote: If a tool has serious problems it needs someone pointing at it. point out the problems - dont throw away the tool.

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/12 Matias D'Ambrosio angas...@gmail.com: On Friday 12 December 2008 10:23:37 Ed Loach wrote: I just spotted the following (video) news report on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7778886.stm I don't believe the featured street has been mapped yet

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed

2008-12-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/11 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com: A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? Because editor support is almost non-existent, and exceptionally confusing :-) The advantage of using addr:street is that it does just work. The

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
addr:street=Foo on an addressable element is basically the same thing as route=LCN:4 on a way. and i thought it was well understood why using this method for routes is A Bad Idea, even if it is easier. Actually that has far more to do with having bus 37, bus 337, bus 270, bus 44, bus N44,

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/9 Elena of Valhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? Because editor support

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/9 Douglas Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/12/8 SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some notes on using Karlsruhe schema... nodes on a way but not a relation schema needs to have addr:street=foo on the addressing way ? addr:housename needs to be added, or addr:housenumber needs to be explicit

Re: [OSM-talk] does road width/lanes matter?

2008-12-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/2 ビカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, One more query I have. On the roads that I survey, I have always found that my GPX goes away from what the mapnik rendered. I assume that mapnik is working on standard conventions of road width. Here in New Delhi, we have lanes of width

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-12-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/1 Robert Vollmert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/12/1 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I believe the easiest and most flexible thing is just to extend the access tags: bicycle=no|yes|difficult|unsuitable so you'd get highway=bridleway foot=yes (permitted, no problem)

Re: [OSM-talk] Postcode searches in Namefinder

2008-12-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/1 David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 01/12/2008 12:40, Shaun McDonald wrote: Does the namefinder use any postcodes that have been added to node or ways in the osm data? No: see my earlier reply to someone else who asked exactly the same question. I'm guessing what's confusing people

Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?

2008-12-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/1 80n [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more roads please? ;) There's the whole world of addresses open to you + you could always move house :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps - OSM comparison

2008-11-28 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/28 Bernhard Zwischenbrugger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi and New Delhi is not shown at all There were some bugs with spaces, commas,... (urlencode) They are fixed now. There are still some problems. The capitals come from this list

Re: [OSM-talk] London vandalised. [was Google Maps - OSM comparison]

2008-11-28 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/28 David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 28/11/2008 10:29, David Earl wrote: London I'm not sure about - still checking. It appears the reason the namefinder is not finding London is because ... it was been deleted on Wednesday (it still shows up on Mapnik of course, but it isn't there in

Re: [OSM-talk] Directional tagging

2008-11-28 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/28 Martin Norbäck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everybody, I'm sure this has been discussed in length before, but I cannot seem to find a good way to search the archives. Anyway, I will present my thoughts here and you can respond or be quiet :) I'm trying to fix at least two issues I have.

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-11-27 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/26 Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pieren wrote: I would also show the fact that it was approved by keeping the entry in the Approved Features with a note that strong oppositions and open issues have to be fixed before it goes to the Map Features. I agree that would be appropriate if

Re: [OSM-talk] data issues in London?

2008-11-26 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/26 Bernt M. Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Applies also to E4 in Sweden close to Swedish/Finnish border. Is this dealt with in a systematic way? I reverted all edits made by the user concerned on the 24th, where the edit moved a node more than 2 degrees. What seems to have happened here

Re: [OSM-talk] data issues in London?

2008-11-26 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/26 Bernt M. Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also node 123566 connected to some road in germany Yes, he edited over 1400 nodes. Many of these will be bad edits. I've found these from the hourly changeset and will revert them as long as no one else edits them in the meantime. Dave

Re: [OSM-talk] data issues in London?

2008-11-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/25 Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have just uploaded an image of Europe which shows that the main data problem emanates from London although there also seems to be a problem from Holland to the same point on the Portuguese coast? http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3058044385/

Re: [OSM-talk] data issues in London?

2008-11-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/25 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/25 Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have just uploaded an image of Europe which shows that the main data problem emanates from London although there also seems to be a problem from Holland to the same point on the Portuguese coast? http

Re: [OSM-talk] Pretty image of the planet (and some scribbles)

2008-11-25 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/11/25 Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have just uploaded the pretty image of the planet to our Flickr site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3054501076/ We have also entered it for Image of the Week

Re: [OSM-talk] layers and rendering

2008-11-19 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Nathan Mixter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there has been a lot of talk recently about layers and what should be displayed on the maps. I think the public buildings such as libraries, town halls are good to have on the main map. Here is an idea I wanted to

Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] #1327: Rendering non-existent data

2008-11-13 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trac #1327 below assigned to me but I can't resolve it. It is a minor nuisance of something rendering at origin: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0.59lon=-0.16zoom=18 Shows as station on mapnik, car park on

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-11 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to say that the renderer should follow the community, but this does presume the community is moving in one direction. It's also fairly

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the wiki redirects, barrier=gate is replacing highway=gate. According to tagwatch, the latter is 10 times more popular than the former. Yes, because the barrier=gate people decided it makes more sense. I'm not sure

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it would break every existing gate out there relying on a legacy renderer. Leaving aside the question of the gate tags completely, I want

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate

2008-11-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the wiki redirects, barrier=gate is replacing highway=gate. According

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-04 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Johnny Rose Carlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a description of highway=path on Map Features page? Ahahahahahahaha. So what? Are you saying Map Features is useless?, in that case we better find another

Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only way you will be happy and viral people will be happy is with parallel

Re: [OSM-talk] I've added some amenity values to Map Features based on tag usage

2008-10-31 Thread Dave Stubbs
grammar-fascist The apostrophe is not correct anyway. It denotes a missed letter, in this word-position it would be 'doctor is', as opposed to the non-apostrophe version meaning 'belong to the the doctor' or plural doctors. I think you're thinking of its as in the news group

Re: [OSM-talk] New Debugging-Tool: OSM-Inspector

2008-10-30 Thread Dave Stubbs
finally, a request: could you please add postal_code (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:postal_code) as a synonym for addr:postcode, so i can debug these areas in the UK? it'd be a pain to go back and change them all :-) I hesitate to support two tags for the same thing. And there

Re: [OSM-talk] New Debugging-Tool: OSM-Inspector

2008-10-30 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried applying the same script with addr:postcode yet, so I don't know how it' use compares in the UK, but I doubt it's as extensive as it hasn't been around as long. I just tried this and there are only 400 extra

Re: [OSM-talk] New Debugging-Tool: OSM-Inspector

2008-10-30 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 Oct 2008, at 15:32, Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried applying the same script with addr:postcode yet, so I don't know how it' use compares

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent changes to slippymap Mapnik rendering

2008-10-29 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed a lot of changes to the Mapnik slippymap rendering lately, and IMHO they are mainly not improvements. As the appearance of this map layer has a large impact on the public face of OSM, I think it's important

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] I've added some new shop values in Map Features

2008-10-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moved to talk Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sent: 24 October 2008 8:25 AM To: OSM-Dev list Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] I've added some new shop values in Map Features Matt Amos wrote: i would call that a

Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
Take grade for instance, all occurances of which have now been changed to tracktype. Which is a hell of an assumption about the use of the grade tag, and what people potentially might want to mark with that in the future. This isn't just typo fixing, this is going way beyond that. grade has

Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-24 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy wrote: And even with typos, there's been a number of discussions as to why automatically converting e.g. hgihway isn't necessarily a good idea - almost all of those that I've found there's another way correctly tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] brand=...

2008-10-23 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:05 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice there is increasing use of a tag brand=... for things like shops, fuel, banks, atms etc. This seems like a good idea to me, as the name of something (Murkets Corner filling station) can be different from its

Re: [OSM-talk] brand=...

2008-10-23 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Hendrik T. Voelker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skywave wrote: I have been using myself the operator=tag for this kind of stuff. Any opinion if brand= is more suitable than operator+. Even though the differentiation might be a thin line, but they are two

Re: [OSM-talk] Contraflow bus lane

2008-10-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:21 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/10/2008 19:04, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 22 Oct 2008, at 18:57, Matthias Julius wrote: David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I came across a contraflow bus lane yesterday. If it were a contraflow cycle lane I'd mark

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real question to ask here is what the clean-up is meant to achieve? Especially when the new tag does not really interfere with the old tag, what does forcibly removing the old

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Raphael Studer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, sergio sevillano wrote: the key:barrier has been approved and thus the highway=gate now belongs to barrier *barrier=gate * shall we run a script to do this? No, because this would break existing rendering. First

Re: [OSM-talk] Good practice for updating the source tag

2008-10-14 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:04 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What's the good practice for updating the source tag? For example in my mapping area, the initial coastline was from an SRTM import (source=SRTM), then somebody updated the coast using LANDSAT, then another user

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-13 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:29 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/10/2008 18:24, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Of course, sitting up you own slippy map is easier than setting up Windows, almost anybody can do that. But a bunch of people each settign up their own map that implements the

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process (was: Re: Map Features, maxspeed and maplint)

2008-10-10 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Tordanik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaun McDonald schrieb: In my opinion the voting process is broken, as it can potentially vote in proposals that will break backwards compatibility and require extensively more complex processing of the data. Take for example:

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-07 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think the word 'usable' is being used in a strange way. When someone says 'adding the coordinates makes the map less usable' they mean 'Many people don't know what that funny number means and when

Re: [OSM-talk] vandolism on OSM

2008-10-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Barnett, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vegard wrote: But we'll need a more permanent measure against vandalism. Something that'll make it easy to reverse things. But note that our most potent weapon against vandalism is the ease and speed with which it can

Re: [OSM-talk] vandolism on OSM

2008-10-03 Thread Dave Stubbs
I think my idea deals with non-obvious vandalism very well. A user of the data can choose to use data that has only certain tags by certain groups or individuals and therefore have an idea of how accurate that data might be. Yes, but in a world of 65000 users you're left with a lot less

Re: [OSM-talk] YOURS now supports route using only cycleroutes -Update

2008-09-30 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to Richard, for pointing out to me not that -1 means oneway but backwards... As an afterthought I looked at Tagwatch for the UK and the following Oneway tags are in use: yes (13762), true (11326), 1 (917), no (162)

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits

2008-09-30 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Paolo Molaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first requirement, IMHO, is a better way to communicate with other users. I would be in favor of sharing the email address of users to make this easier: currently my tool has to parse the web pages and submit web forms.

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