[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM goes (almost) in the 4ht dimension

2014-08-30 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi everyone, If you have the traditional 3D glasses (the one with the red and cyan filter), you might find this stereo 3D OSM-history map quite amazing. Read the forwarded email below for details. :) ~Eugene -- Forwarded message -- From: Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 27 August 2014 22:06, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: There is no license issue. No copyright-protected data is being added to OSM. No cordinates from Wikidata are being added to OSM. No text from Wikidata is being added to OSM. While there may not be a problem in this case,

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Simon Poole
There are three aspects to your question. 1) wikidata is licensed on CC0 terms, essentially that boils down to no restrictions on use at all. Looking at it from the WMFs position we can link to wikidata data as much as we want, however on the other hand the WMF does not guarantee or warrant in

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: 1: Elsewhere in this thread it was mentioned that there are 22000 wikidata ids in OSM currently. Are there any objects which currently have a wikidata id that your code would assign a different id to?

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: 1: Elsewhere in this thread it was mentioned that there are 22000 wikidata ids in OSM currently. Are there any objects which currently have a wikidata id that

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Simon Poole
Edward, just so there is no misunderstanding: you are saying of the 21'000 odd wikidata tags 281 gave different results? And if I understand the results correctly the majority of the 281 are simply due to the wikidata tag not being on the place node but on the corresponding admin boundary

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Edward, just so there is no misunderstanding: you are saying of the 21'000 odd wikidata tags 281 gave different results? And if I understand the results correctly the majority of the 281 are simply due to the wikidata tag not being on the place node but on

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: * Personally, I'm actually fairly agnostic about the process of adding wikidata tags - I can't really see what I'd use them for myself, but am open to the possibility that someone could use them for something. However, an important part of things

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: On 28 August 2014 09:09, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: What you do avoid by not tagging in OSM is maintenance (given that OSM objects are not necessarily a persistent reference to a single real world entity). Very few Wikidata IDs will change

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: In my mind this is a good move and should be supported. Point 3 above could be resolved by running the script regularly to see if there are any new matches. There have also been some good suggestions on this list such as a KeepRight style (i.e.

[OSM-talk] Downloading GPX data including metadata

2014-08-30 Per discussione Paul Johnson
Trying to solve a debate here, and folks would like to check this for themselves: The average speed of a given metro area. As such, areas with a lot of collected data and many US metro areas, like Dallas, either have too much data or are geographically too large for the API. What's the easiest

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/29/2014 08:10 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: Lets just step back and reflect on this for a minute. My overarching concern is that if this import is done, future imports will use the but we also have Wikidata links argument for justification. What we have here is a third-party database

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Edward Betts
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: What we have here is a third-party database whose object identifiers we add to OSM as tags in order to make linking things easier. This is something that has often been requested by people but never been granted on a large scale because we always said

[OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Rob Nickerson
Hi Fred, The question of notability rules in Wikidata also crossed my mind. At this stage we are asking the question is it worth linking existing OSM data to existing wikidata via an automated process? The key word here is automated - we are already manually adding the tags (20k so far) to OSM.

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/30/2014 11:58 PM, Edward Betts wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: What we have here is a third-party database whose object identifiers we add to OSM as tags in order to make linking things easier. This is something that has often been requested by people but never been

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann
Am 29.08.2014 20:10, schrieb Rob Nickerson: Lets just step back and reflect on this for a minute. If we end um in this discussion with a general yes for this import: why not use systems like maproulette to verify the data? This sounds better to me than a bulk import. Just my 2 cents,

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-30 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Summary: Good question and some long term thinking required but the import will, at most, only make this thinking need to be done sooner. We'll have to cross this question even if this import doesn't occur. Just

Re: [Talk-is] Tenging stíga og rútun fyrir gangandi og hjólandi

2014-08-30 Per discussione Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Path er ekki vinsælt heldur http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/20333 Ég ætla að kíkja á cycle.travel fólkið og gá hvernig gengur með að smella okkur þar inn og taka þetta áfram. Þann 29.8.2014 14:08, skrifaði Morten Lange: Hæ Hef ekki náð að taka þátt í umræðunum, en þangað

Re: [Talk-de] dev.openstreetmap.de

2014-08-30 Per discussione Christoph (TheFive@OSM)
Hallo Jörg, aufrufen, bis 70 Zählen, und schon siehst du eine Seite :-) Klappt wirklich. Christoph Am 29.08.2014 um 09:47 schrieb Jörg Frings-Fürst o...@jff-webhosting.net: Hallo, ist dev.openstreetmap.de offline? Ich bekomme keine Seite angezeigt :_( CU Jörg -- Jörg

[Talk-de] Wo Google besser ist als OSM

2014-08-30 Per discussione Stephan Knauss
Hallo, ich kann meinen Google vs. OSM Kartenvergleich nun weltweit anbieten. Damit sieht man schnell wo Google glaubt dass es Hauptstraßen gibt die bei OSM nicht verzeichnet sind. Oder andersrum: Gegenden in denen wir noch Straßen von Luftbildern übernehmen sollten. Ich habe das Ganze in

[Talk-it] Way or relation?

2014-08-30 Per discussione Federico Cortese
Ciao a tutti! Mi è sorto un dubbio che vorrei esporvi: di solito quando più way adiacenti o sovrapposte (siano esse building, landuse, leisure, highway, amenity o altro) condividono una porzione di poligono, sono solito usare delle relazioni. Un esempio può essere questo:

Re: [Talk-it] Way or relation?

2014-08-30 Per discussione Francesco Pelullo
Il 30/Ago/2014 10:19 Federico Cortese cortese...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao a tutti! Mi è sorto un dubbio che vorrei esporvi: di solito quando più way adiacenti o sovrapposte (siano esse building, landuse, leisure, highway, amenity o altro) condividono una porzione di poligono, sono solito

[Talk-it] Estrarre DWG da OSM

2014-08-30 Per discussione Luca Meloni
Ciao a tutti, vorrei sapere se esiste un metodo efficace per ottenere delle carte leggibili (con sia strade che edifici) in formato DWG dalla mappa OSM. Ho provato a farlo con diverse procedure ma fin'ora l'unica cosa che ho ottenuto è stato un insieme di punti sparsi oppure una carta con solo

Re: [Talk-it] Estrarre DWG da OSM

2014-08-30 Per discussione Maurizio Napolitano
2014-08-30 17:31 GMT+02:00 Luca Meloni lmelonim...@yahoo.it: Ciao a tutti, vorrei sapere se esiste un metodo efficace per ottenere delle carte leggibili (con sia strade che edifici) in formato DWG dalla mappa OSM. Ho provato a farlo con diverse procedure ma fin'ora l'unica cosa che ho

Re: [Talk-it] Way or relation?

2014-08-30 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
io mi comporto come te ed uso relazioni, per gli stessi motivi ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Chamberlain Clock

2014-08-30 Per discussione Andy Mabbett
On 21 August 2014 15:34, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I note that the Chamberlain Clock in Birmingham's Jewellery Quarter: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/187104810 does not render in the default map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.48701/-1.91258 It

Re: [Talk-es] Normalización poblaciones

2014-08-30 Per discussione Javier Sánchez
¿Nadie más se anima a votar?... Es un tema serio. ¿Algún Lagunero o Teldense que opine? Saludos. El 29 de agosto de 2014, 12:35, Benjamín Valero Espinosa benjaval...@gmail.com escribió: En el caso de mi ciudad Orihuela, la diferencia es bastante exagerada. Aunque casualmente aún se

Re: [Talk-es] Normalización poblaciones

2014-08-30 Per discussione Jonay Santana
Yo también comparto la opinión de que mejor ceñirse al núcleo urbano, al menos mientras no se haya fusionado como una conurbación a otro núcleo. El 30/08/2014 07:48, Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com escribió: ¿Nadie más se anima a votar?... Es un tema serio. ¿Algún Lagunero o Teldense que

[Talk-es] addr:country

2014-08-30 Per discussione Simó Albert i Beltran
Donde puedo encontrar documentación sobre que es una mala práctica poner addr:country? En el siguiente cambio se añade este tag a miles de nodos: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22127891 pgpxeGh1seGpn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-es

Re: [Talk-es] addr:country

2014-08-30 Per discussione f . dos . santos
La página mostra que addr:country es opcional : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Schema#Tags Es una otra forma de is_in con los mismos argumentos : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:is_in El más importanta, mechanical edit y no respeto de :

Re: [Talk-es] Normalización poblaciones

2014-08-30 Per discussione Carlos Dávila
El 30/08/14 08:47, Javier Sánchez escribió: ¿Nadie más se anima a votar?... Es un tema serio. Creo que más que votar es una cuestión de lógica: si la etiqueta en cuestión se aplica al nodo o área que define un determinado núcleo urbano, no un término municipal, lo lógico es poner la población

Re: [Talk-es] addr:country

2014-08-30 Per discussione Jaime Crespo
Se puede encontrar en 2 de cada 3 respuestas de la lista de imports. Echa un vistazo a los historiales. -- Jaime Crespo http://dbahire.com El 30/08/2014 11:56, Simó Albert i Beltran s...@probeta.net escribió: Donde puedo encontrar documentación sobre que es una mala práctica poner

Re: [Talk-es] Normalización poblaciones

2014-08-30 Per discussione Jaime Crespo
Como el escritor original de esas líneas, lo que intenté es trasladar la regla internacional de una manera razonable para nuestra geografía. Ha pasado mucho tiempo de ello, así que mi única recomendación es leer de nuevo las recomendaciones internacionales (y/o las equivalencias en otros países

Re: [Talk-at] Karte zur Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich

2014-08-30 Per discussione Thomas Konrad
Hallo, es gibt ein paar kleine Updates bezüglich der Gebäudeabdeckungskarte (http://thomaskonrad.at/osm/osm-austria-building-coverage/): * Die OSM-Daten werden jetzt täglich um 3 Uhr früh per Geofabrik-Dump aktualisiert und ein aktueller Layer gerendert. * Zum Vergleich kann man jetzt mit zwei

Re: [Talk-at] Karte zur Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich / JOSM Areaselector

2014-08-30 Per discussione Paul Woelfel
Hallo, da ich noch nicht so lang mit OSM arbeite hätte ich dazu gleich eine Frage: Wie kann ich im JOSM Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dipl.-Ing. Paul Wölfel emailpaul.woel...@gmail.com Tel. +43 664 88 533 801 Lindengasse 31/1/11 1070 Wien Austria On 29 Aug 2014, at 08:30, David Schmitt

Re: [Talk-at] Karte zur Gebäudeabdeckung in Österreich

2014-08-30 Per discussione Stefan Tauner
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:53:03 +0200 Thomas Konrad tkon...@gmx.net wrote: Hallo, es gibt ein paar kleine Updates bezüglich der Gebäudeabdeckungskarte (http://thomaskonrad.at/osm/osm-austria-building-coverage/): * Die OSM-Daten werden jetzt täglich um 3 Uhr früh per Geofabrik-Dump

Re: [Talk-cz] Zpráva o činnosti

2014-08-30 Per discussione Petr Souček
Dobrý den, no vidíte, já se tady vytahuji, jak jsme to opravili a tohohle jsem si nevšiml. Já jsem to kontroloval v ISKN prostřednictvím Nahlížení do KN. V katastru nemovitostí je polygon správně, protože tam je evidována 1 budova,

Re: [Talk-cz] Kontrola a doplnění ulic

2014-08-30 Per discussione Marek Chlup
:-) Tak to je chaos. Cedule s U Podjezdu se zdá novější, ale v RUIAN je U podjezdu jako na té ceduli co se zdá starší. Marek On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 09:46:59PM +0200, Petr Kadlec wrote: 2014-08-29 18:17 GMT+02:00 Marek Chlup m...@chlup.net: Původně mnou uvedená olomoucká ulice: RUIAN:

[OSM-talk-fr] Nouveau job à mi-temps

2014-08-30 Per discussione Christian Quest
A partir de ce lundi 1er septembre, je rejoins la très dynamique équipe d'Etalab (data.gouv.fr). Bien sûr je m'y occuperai de données, en particulier des données géographiques mais pas uniquement. Il y a un gros travail à faire sur les référentiels ouverts et sur l'adoption de fonctionnements

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouveau job à mi-temps

2014-08-30 Per discussione François Lacombe
Très bonne nouvelle ! Bonne continuation Christian :) Francois Le 30 août 2014 10:46, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : A partir de ce lundi 1er septembre, je rejoins la très dynamique équipe d'Etalab (data.gouv.fr). Bien sûr je m'y occuperai de données, en particulier des

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Stand OSM lors de Capitole du Libre

2014-08-30 Per discussione Sébastien Dinot
Salut Christophe, Christophe Merlet a écrit : Volontaire pour samedi. Cool ! Merci, si nous sommes plusieurs, je vais confirmer aux organisateurs notre intérêt pour un stand. De mon côté, j'ai derechef proposé un atelier sur JOSM le dimanche. S'il est accepté, j'aurai sans doute besoin comme

[OSM-talk-fr] Sport=climbing pour escalade sur falaises et arêtes

2014-08-30 Per discussione Pierre Knobel
Bonjour, J'ai du mal à comprendre sur quels objets on peut rajouter sport=climbong. JOSM me donne une erreur sport without physical feature quand je rajoute ce tag sur une falaise ou une arête. Exemples : https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/300954193 (école d'escalade sur falaise)

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sport=climbing pour escalade sur falaises et arêtes

2014-08-30 Per discussione Matthias Dietrich
Bonjour, JOSM voudrait voir sport=* associé à un élément physique sur lequel ou dans lequel un sport est pratiqué. C'est ce que dit le wiki, où on trouve une liste d'objets associés: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport Les natural=cliff, natural=arete, natural=couloir ou natural=stone

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouveau job à mi-temps

2014-08-30 Per discussione Gaël Simon
Bravo Christian et bon courage pour cette mission, en ligne avec le développement du libre et le service public. Merci à toi Gaël Le 30 août 2014 à 10:43, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : A partir de ce lundi 1er septembre, je rejoins la très dynamique équipe d'Etalab

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Stand OSM lors de Capitole du Libre

2014-08-30 Per discussione orhygine
Salut, Le 30 août 2014 15:38, Sébastien Dinot sebastien.di...@free.fr a écrit : Salut Christophe, Christophe Merlet a écrit : Volontaire pour samedi. Cool ! Merci, si nous sommes plusieurs, je vais confirmer aux organisateurs notre intérêt pour un stand. De mon côté, j'ai derechef

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sport=climbing pour escalade sur falaises et arêtes

2014-08-30 Per discussione Philippe Verdy
on pourrait alors ajouter les lacs et étangs ? natural=water... ou les rivières et eaux vives Les sports nautiques aussi ont leur terrain. L'ennui c'est que ce terrain n'est souvent pas clairement délimité par les limites naturelles. Je penche plutôt pour la définition d'un polygone englobant

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sport=climbing pour escalade sur falaises et arêtes

2014-08-30 Per discussione Nicolas Dumoulin
Le samedi 30 août 2014 18:53:56 Matthias Dietrich a écrit : Bonjour, JOSM voudrait voir sport=* associé à un élément physique sur lequel ou dans lequel un sport est pratiqué. C'est ce que dit le wiki, où on trouve une liste d'objets associés: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/29/2014 9:41 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. Those things should certainly be mapped, but there are other projects to put historical data. ___ Talk-us mailing

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Russ Nelson wrote: I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to OpenStreetMap. ...is exactly what I was going to say. Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is still way beyond broken. You can open it at any random location and the map is just fictional. (I did,

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Mike N
On 8/30/2014 4:33 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is still way beyond broken. You can open it at any random location and the map is just fictional. (I did, just now:http://www.osm.org/edit#map=13/36.1938/-103.6446 . Landing on the high plains

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 30/ago/2014, alle ore 10:33, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net ha scritto: Russ Nelson wrote: I fear that the deletionism infection has jumped from Wikipedia to OpenStreetMap. ...is exactly what I was going to say. Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Russ Nelson
Paul Norman writes: On 8/29/2014 9:41 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. Those things should certainly be mapped, but there are other projects to put historical data. Don't render them, then. Oh, wait,

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Martijn van Exel
OK, I believe everyone has made their point here. Let’s leave it at this, or take it offline. — Martijn van Exel President, OpenStreetMap U.S. Chapter http://openstreetmap.us/ @openstreetmapus Elections for the 2014-2015 board Oct 4-12 - consider running for a board seat! From: Russ

Re: [Talk-us] 2014 Tiger Update

2014-08-30 Per discussione Martijn van Exel
Good point. I’ll see about updating the JOSM layer, I am not sure the iD one uses the same imagery actually.  —  Martijn van Exel From: Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com Reply: Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com Date: August 29, 2014 at 11:45:40 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Russ Nelson
Mike N writes: On 8/30/2014 4:33 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Seriously, OSM in the US, outside a few cities, is still way beyond broken. You can open it at any random location and the map is just fictional. (I did, just now:http://www.osm.org/edit#map=13/36.1938/-103.6446 .

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Mike N. wrote: Landing on the high plains desert in the west does not make a good case that OSM in the US is broken. Desert imagery cues do not match those of conventional climates. I really wish I could agree with you, Mike, but my experience is that ~75% of the US landmass is like that.

Re: [Talk-us] 2014 Tiger Update

2014-08-30 Per discussione Bryan Housel
iD mostly uses https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index So if it is added as a layer there, it can be made available in iD very easily. So I think tiles need to be generated and the source needs to be added here:

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Ian Dees
Hi. Let's stop this thread here, please. Thanks, Your friendly list admin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Landing on the high plains desert in the west does not make a good case that OSM in the US is broken. Desert imagery cues do not match those of conventional climates. Those roads likely do exist, but are barely visible in

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Per discussione Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: NO! We would *still* classify them as tracks! Because there's no good reason to classify them as more major, given consistency. We're trying to * not* break the routers, after all. Yes, I realize that the vast