Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
, 3 Feb 2019 at 18:26, john whelan wrote: > I'm hearing we keep the single import project as such. > > I'm hearing that we should preprocess the data first splitting out > outlines that meet Pierre's right angle checks. This data can just be > imported using the current processes.

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
ion et voir si cela permettrait de détecter un grand nombre > de cas. > angles entre 82.6 et 94.5 degrés > > {82.6,85.7,87.4,90.3,96,94.5,85.5,84.8,91,90.8,89.3,89.8,90.4,91.1,91.1,93.6,87.1,82,87.3,84.7} > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/479048070 > > Pierre > >

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
es données et ignore le rôle des communautés locales. > > Et l'argument, si tu t'opposes, tu est responsable pour ta communauté, > nous ont fait le reste du pays, à mon avis cela ne tient pas la route. > > Pierre > > > Le dimanche 3 février 2019 14 h 57 min 45 s HNE, john

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
s bâtiments avec tolérance de 1 à 5 > degrés (ceux à moins de 1 degrés resteraient tels quels. Malgré tout, Il > reste toujours 25% des bâtiments qui doivent être analysés manuellement et > voir si des corrections sont nécessaires. > > > Pierre > > > Le jeudi 31 janvier 2019

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
n que les données d'import pour Ottawa > représentent bien le contour des bâtiments et sont des données de qualité. > > Pierre > > > Le dimanche 3 février 2019 12 h 07 min 55 s HNE, john whelan < > jwhelan0...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > From OSMweekly 445 and I'm not su

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
working on it. A bad import is worse than no > import. > > Cheers, > Nate Wessel > Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning > NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> > > On 2/3/19 1:14 PM, john whelan wrote: > > My expec

Re: [Talk-ca] Some feedback on import quality in Toronto

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
My expectation was that the import would be based on the city's records of foundations for the buildings. I would not expect to see sheds etc.and I'd be quite happy to only get most of the buildings. The rest can be added by local mappers at a later date. My expectation is they will be

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-03 Per discussione john whelan
>From OSMweekly 445 and I'm not sure if it is relevant or not. Cheerio John Imports - Frederik Ramm suggested reverting a four-year-old building import in Ulster County, New York State, because only simple

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-01 Per discussione john whelan
t isn't. > > Cheers, > > Nate Wessel > Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning > NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> > > On 2/1/19 7:35 AM, john whelan wrote: > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=arthur%20mark%20dr

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-02-01 Per discussione john whelan
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=arthur%20mark%20drive%20port%20hope%20ontario#map=17/43.96262/-78.27069 https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.9631101,-78.2732195,17.25z https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH3 Port Hope Ontario is relatively obscure yet both Bing and google have buildings and

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-01-31 Per discussione john whelan
gt; 11,534 Bâtiments avec formes irrégulières (56.6%) > Req Overpass voir > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/c68nb9dbudtp679/on_Ottawa_centre_2019-01-31_batiments_irreg_OSM_req_Overpass.txt?dl=0 > > > > > > > > ------

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-01-28 Per discussione john whelan
0}" > > > Un peu d'humour la-dessus. Un robot trace un rectangle parfait. Un premier > contributeur le voit et dit cela ne semble pas normal et y ajoute un peu de > distorsion. Un deuxième décide d'y ajouter un point et d'étirer le tout. Si > on poursuit le dessin dans ce sens, c

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-01-27 Per discussione john whelan
If you take a look at 942 Bridle Path Crescent for example whilst it isn't exactly square the deviations from 90 degrees to me are relatively minor. I assume that this is the sort of thing you are talking about?

Re: [Talk-ca] OSM Canada building import

2019-01-26 Per discussione john whelan
Bringing building outline Open Data into OSM has taken some years. The first problem to overcome was knowledge of OpenStreetMap by various levels of government. An early contact with the City of Ottawa was made by two students aged around twelve who used OpenStreetMap to build an Open Data App

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 131, Issue 48

2019-01-26 Per discussione john whelan
Perhaps a way forward at the moment would be to open the task manager up so the tiles imported so far can be validated. Having lived with computers for many years I'm in total agreement, they work very quickly but have no common sense what so ever. Cheerio John On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 1:56 PM

[Talk-ca] Stats Can building import

2019-01-26 Per discussione John Whelan
Currently we seem to be at the point where some on the mailing list feel there wasn't enough discussion on talk-ca before the import. Quebec I think we should put on one side until theQuebec mappers feel more comfortable. Nate I feel has been involved in a smaller import before and in that

Re: [Talk-ca] Building Import update

2019-01-26 Per discussione john whelan
I'm not certain how this addresses the concerns raised by Andrew Lester and Pierre Béland, and I seem to recall one other person who expressed concerns. I think it is important that their concerns are addressed. Perhaps they would be kind enough to comment on whether or not this approach

Re: [Talk-ca] Canada Building imports wiki page

2019-01-24 Per discussione john whelan
You seem to have made rather large changes without consultation including changing the title of the project. You have also added some value judgments. A number of people were involved in the original and it might have been nice to consult with them before making such drastic changes. The word

[Talk-ca] Fwd: Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Per discussione john whelan
We're over the 40 k limit again so I trimmed it. I get the impression that just adding the building outline or even an approximation of a building outline adds value to the map. My own house has a cantilever on the back so the upper story extends beyond the basement outline. It also has a porch

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-24 Per discussione John Whelan
>they can be brought in from another source with better documentation / attribute tagging. (i.e. City of Toronto?) I understand The City of Toronto Open Data License has been submitted to the OSM Legal Working Group some time ago.  The Federal Government 2.0 license and the City of Ottawa

Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap, education and the buildings

2019-01-19 Per discussione John Whelan
Agreed but its part of a trend and perhaps needs a bit of planning. Cheerio John James wrote on 2019-01-19 8:46 PM: That's french: France. Not french: Québec On Sat., Jan. 19, 2019, 8:44 p.m. John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: From weeklyosm: Edu

[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap, education and the buildings

2019-01-19 Per discussione John Whelan
From weeklyosm: Education * The new curriculum (pdf) for French high schools states that all students should be introduced to geospatial data usage. One of the

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-19 Per discussione john whelan
So my interpretation is we save about 9% by simplifying? However does it mean we probably do need to verify the before and after manually? Would someone care to comment on if we would need to manually look at the before and after and if 9% savings would be significant? My personal feeling would

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-19 Per discussione john whelan
It appears the original discussion on talk-ca was missed by many. There appears to be an issue of local buy-in but I think for the moment we should first concentrate on the problems we expect to see. The building outlines we imported in Ottawa predated the Bing imagery I suspect. So first off

[Talk-ca] 2020 building import

2019-01-19 Per discussione john whelan
in talk-ca but remember some time has passed since they were made. Certainly Nate for one was not around in talk-ca when the matter was discussed. Cheerio John On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 15:40, OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:48 AM, john whel

[Talk-ca] (no subject)

2019-01-19 Per discussione john whelan
There was an earlier discussion on talk-ca about how to handle this project. It is similar to CANVEC in the original data sources are municipal data CANVEC uses a few other sources as well and it is released under exactly the same license but by a different federal government department. There

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-19 Per discussione John Whelan
:48 PM, John Whelan wrote: The import mailing list was pointed to the correct page of the wiki.  The initial post was to say this is what we were thinking of and there was a comment saying we needed to change the comment line. >There is no mention of this proposed import on the import

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Per discussione John Whelan
Québec vs Canada en général et que les contributeurs du Québec ne fréquentent pratiquement pas cette liste, vous ne devriez pas prendre pour acquis que vous représentez cette communauté et pouvez démarrer des projets en son nom. Pierre Le vendredi 18 janvier 2019 13 h 11 min 37 s HNE, john

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Per discussione John Whelan
James you know I could never resist a dare! Cheerio John James wrote on 2019-01-18 4:03 PM: dare you to run simplify tool on anything remotely round, it will make it look like garbage On Fri., Jan. 18, 2019, 3:49 p.m. John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: The import m

Re: [Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Per discussione John Whelan
earned from flawed imports in the past and have devised guidelines and processes so that we can have better experiences with this in the future. Nate Wessel Jack of all trades, Master of Geography, PhD candidate in Urban Planning NateWessel.com <http://natewessel.com> On 1/18/19 2:24 PM,

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-18 Per discussione john whelan
ags and > you preserve the history, tags and have new improved outline in a couple of > clicks. > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:30 PM john whelan wrote: > >> And that is a problem with imports. Traditionally or the party line is >> if its been mapped already then to pr

Re: [Talk-ca] Ongoing Canadian building import needs to be stopped, possibly reverted

2019-01-18 Per discussione john whelan
And that is a problem with imports. Traditionally or the party line is if its been mapped already then to preserve the history you either leave it alone or manually correct it. Manually correcting it is very time consuming. Often the decision is made to leave the existing way in the map. I'm

[Talk-ca] 2020 building import wiki comment by Nate Wessel

2019-01-18 Per discussione john whelan
I know of no other way to contact him but he made an interesting comment that the project is on hold in the wiki pending review. Would he care to comment on who is supposed to be reviewing the project? My understanding is that the import was raised in talk-ca before it commenced for comment and

[OSM-talk] OSM and Urban planning

2019-01-11 Per discussione john whelan
In my mind I'd always thought about using OSM for urban planning to be something for places with little money such as the third world but it appears that in many places the economic boundaries of a city do not coincide with the political boundaries and different levels of government are involved

Re: [OSM-talk] Help with way forward with Grab

2019-01-07 Per discussione John Whelan
It's a difficult call.  I do a fair amount of armchair mapping and in general I use the lowest classification of highways that looks reasonable when I add a highway,if it should be higher then I leave the change to the locals.  In general I do not delete or change tagging except when buildings

Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

2019-01-05 Per discussione john whelan
opic is e-commerce delivery services. A rookie delivery >> driver may search for an address in a city in some cases for hours. This >> excessive driving could be reduced significantly if a driver could see a >> delivery address on the map. It would mean less pollution, accidents, >> pa

Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

2019-01-03 Per discussione john whelan
Then of course we have the mapping for the blind and disabled which are useful in supporting their citizens or visitors who are partially sighted or disabled. On the cycling front there are numerous maps, layers and routing software available as there are for footpaths to encourage walking so

[OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

2019-01-03 Per discussione John Whelan
I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap. Off the top of my head

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Microgrants, an independent OSM project needs your support now

2018-12-18 Per discussione john whelan
After reading the link I'm unclear what the aim is. Modern DEM data I suspect is available to OSM under licence is there something special about the historical data? It seems unclear if it is licenced in such a way it could be used by OSM. Cheerio John On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 7:38 PM Blake

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence for Sentinel Satellite images

2018-12-17 Per discussione John Whelan
My understanding was a benediction by the Legal Working Group can be taken as the highest "official" approval although I understand there is a small backlog of licenses awaiting. Different parts of the world spell licence or license differently by the way. The UK uses licence and the US uses

[Talk-ca] Voting for the two OSMF board positions

2018-12-15 Per discussione John Whelan
Of the 1057 voters in this election, 680 cast ballots. Tobias Knerr and Joost Schouppe have been elected. There has been some discussion about the number of board members with HOT connections, my understanding is currently the board has a couple of past presidents of HOT on it. OSMF only

Re: [Talk-ca] Local groups? Digest, Vol 130, Issue 4

2018-12-11 Per discussione john whelan
; >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> talk-ca-ow...@openstreetmap.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest..." >> >> >> Tod

[Talk-ca] Local groups?

2018-12-10 Per discussione john whelan
Microsoft have released building outline data for the US. I have heard rumours that they will be releasing a few for Canada. I'm not proposing to import them at this point but these days importing is its own speciality and it needs a mixture of technical skills and boots on the ground or at

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers

2018-11-22 Per discussione John Whelan
icTech Toronto Meetup last Tuesday someone pointed out David MacKay’s book Sustainable Energy: Without Hot Air https://withouthotair.com/ Jonathan *From: *john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> *Sent: *Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:46 PM *To: *Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 and School Mappers

2018-11-22 Per discussione john whelan
So what do we need? A hook of some type to build on? An inventory of buildings for climate change planning? I understand in many cities some 80% of apartment buildings are forty years old now and identifying them and upgrading them would help with climate change emissions. Unfortunately they

Re: [Talk-ca] Citizen to Government data partnerships

2018-11-22 Per discussione john whelan
Based on my own experience Government Open Data and OpenStreetMap have very different cultures and work in different time frames. Licensing has been an issue, it only took five years to get the license for the GTFS local bus stops changed so we could import them but I think we are moving forward.

[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020

2018-11-22 Per discussione john whelan
The wiki page currently has a very wide range of information which might be too much for a casual mapper to digest. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020 There are two parts mapping the building outlines and enriching the data. Since the project has started

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

2018-11-20 Per discussione John Whelan
All borders are verifiable mostly only by checking official documents. I think you are missing something very basic here. If two official documents are in disagreement then which one is correct? Two countries claiming the same territory for example. Those apps, which cannot tolerate

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

2018-11-20 Per discussione john whelan
>From a practical point of view different applications such as OSMand take a snapshot of the database at a point in time. How would your proposal work with these derivatives and there are quite a few including the odd one that gets updated once or year or so. Are you suggesting that all

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Per discussione john whelan
review perhaps? Thanks Cheerio John On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 10:57, James wrote: > I know it's been linked before: > > https://github.com/BikeOttawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/blob/master/README.md > > On Tue., Nov. 20, 2018, 10:55 a.m. John Whelan wrote: > >> Which me

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Per discussione john whelan
been linked before: >> >> https://github.com/BikeOttawa/OSM-Bike-Ottawa-Tagging-Guide/blob/master/README.md >> >> On Tue., Nov. 20, 2018, 10:55 a.m. John Whelan > wrote: >> >>> Which means more tags on the map but at least you can see which are >>>

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Per discussione John Whelan
for example) On Tue., Nov. 20, 2018, 10:51 a.m. John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you mean.  Paths that not cleared are tagged seasonal=no or tags that are cleared get the tag seasonal=no? The default on winter_service is yes so only th

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-20 Per discussione John Whelan
features that uses the seasonal tag? Thanks John Amos Hayes wrote on 2018-11-20 10:20 AM: FYI, the Ottawa cycling community is using "seasonal=no" on pathways to indicate winter maintenance. -- Amos On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 19:01, John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>&g

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

2018-11-20 Per discussione john whelan
I think you have expressed your opinion but unfortunately whilst difficult for you to accept traditionally OSM maps a certain way and has done for sometime even though many governments and others would wish we did something else. The world isn't perfect, but from a pragmatic point of view I think

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-19 Per discussione John Whelan
l'ouverture d'une nouvelle route). Dans ce deuxième cas, cette tant le service que la piste n'existent que l'hiver. Les clés OSM utilisées pour les décrire sont ice_road=yes surface=ice Pierre Le lundi 19 novembre 2018 17 h 20 min 53 s HNE, john whelan a écrit : Sounds perfect. Thanks John

Re: [Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-19 Per discussione john whelan
Sounds perfect. Thanks John On Mon, 19 Nov 2018, 5:07 pm Yaro Shkvorets winter_service=yes|no seems perfectly fine: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Awinter_service > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:54 PM john whelan wrote: > >> Locally some paths across parks etc

[Talk-ca] Tagging paths that are snowploughed?

2018-11-19 Per discussione john whelan
Locally some paths across parks etc are snow cleared some aren't. The ones that are are useful for cycling in the winter. Any suggestions on tags? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

2018-11-17 Per discussione John Whelan
How would you expect this work?  On a rendered tile I can't see a way but on an offline version such as osmand you can already link to a webpage. Cheerio John Sebastian Kürten wrote on 2018-11-17 10:28 AM: Hi, is anybody aware of 3rd party APIs that are integrated into the OSM database? An

[Talk-ca] Stats Canada building outline import plan

2018-11-06 Per discussione john whelan
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Canada_Stats_Canada_Building_Outlines_Import/Plan I've formally submitted it to the imports mailing list for comments and comments are invited here for the next two weeks. After that the plan is to start the import process. Thanks John

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-05 Per discussione John Whelan
Sounds good to me.  At least we have raised the issue and discussed it. Cheerio John James wrote on 2018-11-05 3:17 PM: As "Frederick Ramm" would say having external IDs is pointless when you can do a spatial join to see what is there and what is not On Nov. 5, 2018 3:05 p.m., &q

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-05 Per discussione John Whelan
, Nov 4, 2018, 16:48 john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: I've started the process off by an introductory post to the import mailing list and we are working on a wiki page which will be based on the Stat Canada City of Ottawa import wiki page. Cheerio John

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 129, Issue 15

2018-11-05 Per discussione John Whelan
My personal view is if we have a process that follows the rules available then at least there is more chance they will be followed and edits will not be reversed. I might note the buildings in Regina have amazing similar outlines to the ones made available via the Stats Canada file but I

Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 129, Issue 15

2018-11-05 Per discussione john whelan
>Someone already did Regina! and that is an issue and why we need to get this lot formalised quickly before someone starts talking about imports being done without the correct license. Cheerio John On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 10:15, keith hartley wrote: > Someone already did Regina! > > On Mon, Nov

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-04 Per discussione john whelan
for this > > On Fri., Nov. 2, 2018, 7:32 p.m. John Whelan >> This approach seems very sensible however Pierre has raised the issue of >> poorly mapped buildings and we are aware that some were mapped in a >> mapathon environment so whilst Ottawa used a "leave existing

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Per discussione John Whelan
ill help areas where we have no technical expertise. On 2018-11-02 6:58 p.m., John Whelan wrote: So to paraphrase your reply.  A centralised import plan in the wiki which says the data is approved for import and should be tackled in chunks of some sort of region since we are a decentr

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Per discussione John Whelan
So to paraphrase your reply.  A centralised import plan in the wiki which says the data is approved for import and should be tackled in chunks of some sort of region since we are a decentralized organization.  Which I think is similar to the way Task Manager works.  The project is broken

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Per discussione John Whelan
/modified thousands of them (Canvec buildings) and I would not like to see all of them coming back. Daniel *From:*James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2018 16:07 *To:* john whelan *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines

Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Per discussione John Whelan
to be having same level of accuracy) The two I've been eye balling are Kingston and Rimouski which seem to be very accurate at first assessment. If we do want to import them, a formal draft up will have to be done though On Fri., Nov. 2, 2018, 3:53 p.m. john whelan <mailto:jwhel

[Talk-ca] Stats Canada new building outlines Open Data do we wish to import it?

2018-11-02 Per discussione john whelan
This is just a formal post to get a feel. In Ottawa the building outlines were of high quality and I feel have enriched the map. If we do should we consider it one project across the country or leave it to the local chapters to make the decision? I'm thinking that Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver

Re: [Talk-ca] Enablers and Barriers for Voluntary Participation in Crowdsourcing Platforms

2018-11-02 Per discussione john whelan
ub.io/Blog/#!index_fr.md > en https://opendatalabrdc.github.io/Blog/#!index_en.md > > > > > > > > Pierre > > > Le vendredi 2 novembre 2018 12 h 31 min 59 s HAE, John Whelan < > jwhelan0...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > My feeling is OpenStreetMap has two si

Re: [Talk-ca] Enablers and Barriers for Voluntary Participation in Crowdsourcing Platforms

2018-11-02 Per discussione John Whelan
My feeling is OpenStreetMap has two sides. The first is local adding local knowledge to the map.  The other I'll call armchair mapping.  When Stats Canada did the pilot it tapped the local Ottawa mappers who meet physically. I would agree that amongst mappers with the most edits there is a

Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

2018-11-01 Per discussione John Whelan
Are you confusing the availability of Open Data with an import?  Most imports need plans but just because Open Data is available does not mean the license is compatible nor that it will be imported. My feeling is the wiki page lists open data and indicates if the license is compatible. We

Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

2018-11-01 Per discussione John Whelan
, John Whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>>: Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct license either separately or a note added to each entry.  I have noticed before there is no authority listed on the wiki. Cheerio John Дмитри

Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

2018-11-01 Per discussione John Whelan
I think on the OSM side we probably need to think this one through and get organised. In Ottawa on the first import we went through all the steps to do the import including getting agreement with the local mappers and we were very fortunate in having an organised team of competent local

[Talk-ca] Dartmouthmapmaker

2018-11-01 Per discussione john whelan
I've discussed the Open Data side with them but I think they could do with a bit of guidence on the tagging side. Could someone ideally more local than I point them gently towards map features and more standard tagging? I must confess my knowledge of tagging is a little limited to highways and

[Talk-ca] Microsoft Soundscape / WeeklyOSM 430

2018-10-21 Per discussione John Whelan
  It's under HOT "The English city St Albans" and its to do with navigation for the blind using OpenStreetMap. I know Ottawa is fairly well mapped but what does the map need to make it more useful?  Anyone know? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing

Re: [Talk-ca] Nova Scotia imports, and boundary=land_area

2018-10-21 Per discussione John Whelan
Looks like the wiki needs amending to only list open data with the correct license either separately or a note added to each entry.  I have noticed before there is no authority listed on the wiki. Cheerio John Дмитрий Киселев wrote on 2018-10-21 10:28 AM: About source, I suppose it's

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 170, Issue 22

2018-10-19 Per discussione John Whelan
A map created with this technology could revolutionize quite a few industries. For example the agriculture [2], internet sales & delivery, etc. Basically, the roads, paths, alleys, etc. on the map could be precise enough to be used by a slow-moving robotized vehicles without constant LIDAR

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-10 Per discussione John Whelan
>What about openjdk? From the openjdk website for windows 10 "We're counting down to the last free Oracle Java 8 update - what's your plan?" We appear to have 96 days left. I merely raised a concern, but thank you for bringing this additional information to our notice it wasn't something I

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Per discussione John Whelan
.  If it needs to be done it's better to have sufficient time available. Cheerio John Matthijs Melissen wrote on 2018-10-07 6:12 PM: On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 23:11, john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote: JAVA has a number of problems. Many corporations ban its installati

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Per discussione john whelan
But will it run JOSM today or would some changes be required to JOSM? Thanks John On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, 5:11 pm James, wrote: > people will switch to openjdk. problem solved. > > On Sun., Oct. 7, 2018, 5:09 p.m. john whelan, > wrote: > >> JAVA has a number of problems.

[OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Per discussione john whelan
JAVA has a number of problems. Many corporations ban its installation citing security issues which restricts the machines that can use JOSM with all its nice tools. Oracle never was enamoured of open software and since it has taken over JAVA the licensing has changed amongst other things. I

Re: [OSM-talk] weird "excessive bounces" warnings from the list

2018-10-01 Per discussione john whelan
On gmail I get the same from time to time. Cheerio John On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, 2:56 pm Richard, wrote: > Hi, > > from time to time I am getting messages like > > < excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 30-Sep-2018. >> > > Any idea.. what could be the cause?

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Tool update from HOT: MapCampaigner

2018-10-01 Per discussione John Whelan
Do we really need yet another tool to find errors in HOT mapping? Before the new version of task manager I did a lot of validation in HOT. One of the problems on the data quality side is new mappers just don't completely map a tile and mark it done for validation.  Which means finding their

Re: [OSM-talk] Proximity

2018-09-30 Per discussione john whelan
The person I spoke to who had the requirement was from Health Canada and they entered their name in an email to themselves on my phone. They specifically asked for OpenStreetMap to the presenter and I didn't have time to discuss the requirements in detail. The email address they entered was

Re: [OSM-talk] Proximity

2018-09-29 Per discussione john whelan
: > Hi, > > On 29.09.2018 01:59, john whelan wrote: > > I thank Fredrick for his comments as well. If a more refined solution > > is required then there is enough information given to make a start > coding. > > I know Perl isn't what people use these days but just

Re: [OSM-talk] Proximity

2018-09-28 Per discussione john whelan
If you are in one of > these what else is needed to work it out? > > A lot of cities has a GTFS feed - with the latest public transport info it > can be combined with OSM hospital info > see: https://www.mapnificent.net/ [ *"Shows you areas you can reach with > public transport in a give

Re: [OSM-talk] Proximity

2018-09-28 Per discussione john whelan
>Here proximity to to a train station is worth more money than proximity to a bus stop.Within 1 km of a train station is where developers and purchases of apartments want them and they will pay more for that proximity. Train stations are usually well represented in OSM data.Bus stops are not so

[OSM-talk] Proximity

2018-09-28 Per discussione john whelan
I drifted down to a government conference on open data and software today and whilst there a question came up concerning proximity to a hospital. Just a planner wondering where to put it to maximise the ease of access for as many people as possible. You can route plan for walking and driving a

Re: [Talk-ca] Hydro Network (inland water) question

2018-09-27 Per discussione john whelan
It takes time, it takes dedication, > > it takes good communication, it takes people working well > > together. Largely speaking (and Canada isn't large, it's HUGE!), so > > far, so good. > > > > Encouragingly, > > SteveA > > California > > >

Re: [Talk-ca] Hydro Network (inland water) question

2018-09-27 Per discussione john whelan
If you're Canadian then you are probably aware that the NRCAN Geobase data is collected from various sources including provincial some are more accurate than others some data is probably thirty or more years old. Canada is very large and we have a lot of water. We don't have the same number of

Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: BC2020i - update Sept 2018

2018-09-17 Per discussione john whelan
Just a comment Alessandro is not a dedicated project manager but rather the person that the project manager reports to. Currently in addition to his normal job he is also acting in the position above his so he really is doing two jobs at once. Bjenk was the project manager who pulled the project

[Talk-ca] Buildings in Ottawa after the Statistics Canada project. BC 2020?

2018-09-16 Per discussione john whelan
These are very much round numbers and it depends a little exactly what you count as Ottawa. We have some 300,000 ways mapped as buildings, 280,000 have addr: house numbers and street names. I think the majority have been imported. Nominatim will find buildings that do not have a street name

Re: [Talk-ca] counting buildings - ( 2020 project ) - help please.

2018-09-12 Per discussione john whelan
nds. The data are returned > visually and you can export them in various formats (raw OSM data, GeoJSON, > GPX, KML). Look to the left column to see how easy the tags are and read > our wiki on OT for rich and rewarding documentation. > > Have fun, > > SteveA > California

[Talk-ca] counting buildings - ( 2020 project ) - help please.

2018-09-12 Per discussione john whelan
One problems with this mapping project is it is difficult to see how many have been mapped. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020 So I've been playing. The .OSM data structure does not lend it self easily to this sort of thing. In particular you don't know

[OSM-talk] R stats package importing from OSM

2018-09-07 Per discussione john whelan
I'm feeling lazy so does anyone have an example of an xml import from OSM? I'm after building data in particular so a building and its nested tags. Thanks John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-ca] GitHub app for BC2020i Challenge

2018-09-06 Per discussione john whelan
On 6 September 2018 at 16:39, OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 2018, at 1:14 PM, john whelan wrote > (replying to me, stevea): > > > Hm, we tried to revive the wiki, a tried-and-true OSM methodology for > doing EXACTLY that.

Re: [Talk-ca] GitHub app for BC2020i Challenge

2018-09-06 Per discussione john whelan
Building_Canada_2020 > > If there is something wrong with that wiki (John Whelan, you have > described its history both here in talk-ca and to me via private email any > number of times), then re-write it. I think it is at least a start to > describe what you (Canada) are trying to

Re: [Talk-ca] GitHub app for BC2020i Challenge

2018-09-06 Per discussione john whelan
It looks pretty but misses the detail in the magic step then a miracle occurs. Currently wind is the cheapest renewable energy source. Off shore works well but the central area of North America works fine. Unfortunately New York, Toronto, Montreal were all established in relatively wind free

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code and Graffiti

2018-08-29 Per discussione john whelan
he gatehouse, above a path that goes to the > creek". > > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:06 PM john whelan > wrote: > >> It sounds an odd combination but locally you can report Graffiti to the >> muni

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