trivial to join
them into a single file for distribution. You could also have a page
(or several!) of profiles appended to the main map.
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On 5/13/24 05:24, Nigel via Therion wrote:
Thanks Bill.
Marco has clarified that "point:photo" in Topodroid is not co
os. It is just too much work to try and figure out
how to place them.
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On 5/11/24 08:15, Nigel via Therion wrote:
Hi Martin,
The map-image command doesn't work for me for some reason. I'll persevere
with it to get it going eventually.
What I'd like to do
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On 11/29/23 08:09, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote:
Hi Bill,
A few years ago Apple released a very high-end smartphone which has a
LIDAR feature (iPhone 12 Pro). There are a few more models now which
have it. I have heard of some people using
environment.
There are many other issues, but I think that is the big one.
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gave it a quick try in MeshLab, but it does not
recognize .lox as a valid file type.
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One thing that strikes me is that the spike is not horizontal. It angles
upward by about 20 degrees.
Hi Bill
If it helps (unlikely), I have had a
the right, then coming toward the camera. The passage goes off
to the right of this photo. There is an electric light fixture just
about dead center in the photo. If you levitate about 8 feet up from
that fixture and look right, that is the passage entrance.
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47.8 3.8 3.7 5.9 0.5
BU8BU9 8.6 184.0 10.4 3.2 -9.8 6.4 2.6 3.4 3.0
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On 8/15/23 17:10, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote:
On 15/08/2023 22:52, Bill Gee wrote:
Looking at the .lox file for Stark Caverns, I see a spike that does not
make any
it is really bugging me!
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drawing.
To draw on top, uncheck visibility for all but one of the images. Draw
on that, then make it invisible and turn on another image. Add to the
drawing, then repeat for the third background.
Is that the basic process?
Screen shot attached.
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On 8/4/23 14:53, Bruce
sketch that has any visible drawing on it is for the last
scrap mentioned in the map statement of the .th file. The other
drawings are not visible.
The result file can be seen at
https://campercaver.net/MiscFiles/test.xvi
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On 8/3/23 15:13, Tarquin Wilton-Jones vi
d fix this.
3) For future versions of Therion - The Therion Book does not have any
documentation about the "-attr c #" option for the steps line type.
This needs to be added. Also a note about curved vs. straight lines,
and how to change orientation.
Thank
shots.
Of course I found a new problem! That will be another thread.
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On 8/2/23 15:05, Bruce Mutton wrote:
Bill
As Tarquin points out, looks to me like scraps with openings wider than the
scrap is long. The solution is invisible walls along the interior joins.
Another
w, I would
have sketched the whole room as one big scrap. It would have taken
several trips, but it could all fit on one sheet of paper.
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On 8/2/23 10:44, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote:
Hi Bill,
Hello everyone - I am having a problem getting Therion to unde
would take several days.
What can I do to convince Therion where the cave really is? Can I put
in some invisible walls (subtype hidden)?
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meters. They are only 50
meters apart, and there are numerous sinkholes nearby. The larger cave
has a debris pile in the back that blows air and might be possible to
dig through. We want to see if there are corresponding surface features.
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On 7/7/23 02:25, Xavier
?
Related question: Do the ESRI outputs from Therion include survey stations?
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Arithmetic problems?!?! If it's not one thing, it's another!
Thanks for your efforts. I will be patient and see how things develop.
For now I have a working installation of Therion 6.1.6, and I have no
active cave map projects.
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On 5/15/23 10:38, Matěj
ir/lxFile.cxx.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:3821:
loch/CMakeFiles/common-utils.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [Makefile:146: all] Error 2
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On 5/12/23 12:40, Matěj Plch wrote:
Hi, Therion 6.1.7 does not include in
=
This is Fedora 38. The compile of 6.1.6 on Fedora 37 worked correctly
for me. 6.1.6 still works after the upgrade to Fedora 38. I did not
recompile it.
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ghttp2
library.
Otherwise Therion and loch both launch and run just fine.
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On 1/11/23 10:45, Bill Gee wrote:
Hi Rodrigo -
Thanks for this. As you note, it may not be much help. I have never
had much luck compiling Therion from source. Jim Begley's yum
reposit
d not use it to open any existing file on the
computer, and any file it saved went into an invisible storage such that
I could not find it with any other application. Totally useless.
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On 1/11/23 08:20, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
Not exactly a solution for
37, it tells me there is no
such package. And yes, it has the copr repository file.
Is there any update? I have two systems which cannot be upgraded to
Fedora 37 because of this issue.
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On 11/16/22 15:00, James Begley wrote:
Hiya,
I'm aware of this issue - I'm currently struggling to build therion
under fedora 37 (which has proj v9 installed). I had hoped that it would
be a simple task to rebuild theri
libproj.so.22()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- proj-8.2.1-6.fc36.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
- problem with installed package therion-6.1.2-1.fc36.x86_64
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Hmmm That is an interesting idea! It never occurred to me to put
cross-sections on a different map. I am about to leave for a couple of
weeks of canoeing in Canada. When I return I will take a closer look at
Heartbreak Hill
Thanks for the suggestion.
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t question is more general. Is there a list of the predefined
contexts and groups?
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between not passable and passable. Therefore I
think it is important to make the distinction.
Is there a way to make the passage height symbol use the actual value provided?
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wo (or more) symbol-hide lines.
The idea of using attributes is interesting. I have never used macros and have
no idea where to begin with them.
Bill Gee
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 11:36:26 AM CDT Andrew Atkinson wrote:
> To add the arrows to the sections use
>
> -context poi
"sections" group?
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ballpark, but one
is about three to four times greater than the others.
Compass = 5931.1 cubic feet
Loch LRUD volume = 3754.1 cubic feet
Loch Maps 3d = 6106.8 cubic feet
MeshLab = 586.9 cubic meters (20697.9 cubic feet)
MeshLab is an outlier here.
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obe Reader, but much faster than Okular.
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On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 5:42:45 AM CST Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
> Take care which library use each viewer. PDF generated from Therion use group
> transparency knockout. Check wiki:
> https://the
21.08.0 and Okular
21.12.2.
I have not noticed that water in particular slows things down. Maybe that is
because every map I make has water in it! :-)
Bill Gee
On Monday, February 21, 2022 12:36:43 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody knows why wa
.
Bill Gee
On Saturday, January 29, 2022 3:42:33 AM CST Ben Cooper wrote:
> Hi Bill, Torsten,
> What is that file; is it a standard output file from Therion or Survex?
> Best regards
> Ben
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 28 Jan 2022, at 12:57, Bill Gee wrote:
> &
.
Breathing a huge sigh of relief ...
Bill Gee
On Friday, January 28, 2022 6:40:00 AM CST Torsten Schnitter wrote:
> Hi Bill
>
> May be you are looking for this ... !?
>
> cheers,
> Torsten
>
> > -- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --
> &g
that a version of Therion or Survex from back then produced an
estimate of cave volume, and since then that calculation was taken out?
Bill Gee
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 6:37:17 AM CST Bill Gee wrote:
> Hello everyone -
>
> Several years ago I made a map of a small cave.
Hi Enrico -
Thank you very much! That helps. There is one more step that I had to figure
out - After importing the VTK file into Paraview, I had to click on Apply.
What are the units? I think it is all in meters, but not sure.
Bill Gee
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:57:59 AM CST
is a small cave).
Am I missing something?
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On Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:52:57 AM CST Enrico Fratnik wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
>normally I export the VTK model of the cave from LOCH then I open it
> with ParaView
> With ParaView I export the model in x3d format a
when you get old. I don't remember what
that was.
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On Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:52:57 AM CST Enrico Fratnik wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
>normally I export the VTK model of the cave from LOCH then I open it
> with ParaView
> With ParaView I export the model
nothing.
Can any of you point me in the right direction? Believe it or not, I need to
testify in court early next week about this. It's a long story ...
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both compile my biggest maps in
seconds. Shaving a few seconds is of little benefit.
And to your last comment about furlongs ... LOL! I remember a huge argument
some years ago about what the speed of light is in furlongs per fortnight. It
was a hoot!
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On Monday
sures
around 1% over 400 feet and a dozen stations. The data using Suunto/tape and a
calibrated DistoX2 was not significantly different in the loop closure.
Bill Gee
On Monday, December 27, 2021 1:15:27 PM CST Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
>
> > 26. 12. 2021 v 19:32
calculations. How many
significant digits are carried through the calculations?
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A good idea that I had not thought of! But it won't work for me. I like to
use "-direction both" on my section lines. Yes, I could put the direction
arrow on one end only, but that is not my work habit.
For others - an excellent idea.
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p is much less busy, but those arrows are just
hanging out there with no obvious purpose.
Now I know how to take them out too.
Bill Gee
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 1:31:34 PM CST Andrew Atkinson wrote:
> -context point section
>
> Or
>
> -context line section
>
st the ones that are used in
association with cross-sections.
Maybe I need to use some other context besides "sections"? Perhaps define
those arrows as context of "section_arrow", then use "symbol-hide group
section_arrow"?
Bill Gee
On Saturday, Novemb
Yep, that did it. Thanks!
Now that I know what to look for, I see on page 52 of the Therion Book that
"sections" is listed as a possible group under symbol-assign. It is not in
either symbol-hide or symbol-show, which is why I missed it.
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symbol-hide group cross-section
endlayout
For all of these Therion says "Unknown symbol specification".
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that Therion produces look great, and
I have not seen the warnings anywhere else. Even so, it would be nice to
figure out what is going on and get it fixed.
Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have suggestions on where to go for
help on fixing it?
Thanks!
Bil
on my production systems for a
week or two.
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On Thursday, November 4, 2021 7:07:51 AM CDT James Begley wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> This is a known issue that Olly is working on - see
> https://trac.survex.com/ticket/102.
>
> Fedora 35 has moved to proj version 8.2.
I think it
should be no problem to draw. The two entrances to the room are well-defined,
so adding it to the map will be fairly easy.
Bill Gee
On Monday, June 21, 2021 6:24:28 PM CDT Olly Betts wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 04:31:45PM -0500, Bill Gee wrote:
> > Now I need
try to do is merge all the existing sketches, then
print them on a single piece of graph paper. Back at the cave I will add more
to that paper. Scan it and use it for the background.
Bill Gee
On Monday, June 21, 2021 1:11:33 PM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
>
> > 21
hings when trying to place objects. I would like to crop them out.
4) Is this something that I need to do in an external image editor like Gimp?
I have not used Gimp in several years. The learning curve is daunting.
Thanks!
Bil
JM Begley! Can you contact me off-list? I think there is an adjustment to be
made in the dependency list for the Fedora 34 package of Therion.
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make his north arrow
indicate both geographic and magnetic north. He and I have not discussed this
feature of his maps, so I do not know what his reasoning is. He is not a
Therion user.
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:41:06 PM CDT Benedikt Hallinger wrote:
> It is map comp
used a north
arrow that shows both geographic and magnetic north. Most of the maps I make
are for caves in Missouri. The magnetic declination is less than 1 degree. It
is almost irrelevant here.
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I noticed a few minutes ago that Jim Begley's COPR repository has a new package
for Therion 5.5.0. I tried it on my Fedora 32 test computer. Worked like a
champ! Thanks, Jim!
I also installed it on my main production system, still Fedora 31. It works
there, too.
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And besides - There were other applications showing similar problems. Therion
is not the only victim.
Sometimes I feel like the vulture in the classic Far Side panel. The vulture
says to his friend "Patience my ass! I'm gonna kill something."
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so.13()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- proj-5.2.0-5.fc31.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
- problem with installed package therion-5.4.4-2.fc31.x86_64
=
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I also have this problem. I am running Fedora, and have seen this for about
the last 6 months on both Fedora 30 and 31. It happens on computers with
nVidia, Intel and VirtualBox display drivers.
Aven works fine.
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On Thursday, December 5, 2019 5:19:12 AM CST Benedikt Hallinger
ple matter to extract one page from a PDF file and make
>it into a new file.
I was not anticipating that anyone but you would need ImageMagick. I thought
the use case was that you would generate and distribute the image files, and
everyone else would simply admire your handiwork! :-)
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s the dots-per-inch in the output file. -rotate rotates the image
90 degrees before saving.
Convert has hundreds of options Spend some time with the man page.
There is a Windows version of ImageMagick.
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On Monday, December 2, 2019 2:12:57 PM CST Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Ther
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 4:16:20 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 4:39 PM, Bill Gee
> wrote:
>
> > One more thought occurred to me just now ... The cave where I want to use
&
, perhaps.
https://www.compliancesigns.com/signs/No-Wheelchair-Access has a picture of
what I have in mind. Text is not needed for the cave symbol.
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:59:45 AM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wed
Hi Rodrigo -
Nice! I tried a couple of these symbols on my map. The wheelchair and danger
symbols work perfectly.
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:59:45 AM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2
a cave as handicap-accessible would be useful. I
am working on the map of a commercial cave which has a lot of paved trail.
Most of their commercial tour is accessible to wheelchair users.
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:49:34 AM CST Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
wrote
ooks to me like a pair of syringes.
That is not something commonly found in a cave!
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 2:08:01 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:36 PM, Bruce Mutton wrote:
>
> >
ty, difficult
survey. At least it is dry with a soft clay floor!
And one last question, just because I am curious: Does the naming convention
of "name@place" extend to more than one layer? Is something like
"name@cave@space" possible? Could I write something like
"Al
ect AllieMainPlan". I changed that to "select
AllieMainPlan@all" and recompiled. No difference. The resulting map has all
four caves and no offsets. The map structure as reported by xtherion did not
change.
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On Thursday, November 14, 2019 8:33:22 AM CST Martin Sluk
urvey/endsurvey
block contains the map/endmap blocks and therefore the names they define should
be part of the survey namespace.
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On Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:45:38 AM CST Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
> > If I open the BigCavernRanch files in xtherion and then look at th
ll compile correctly and display offsets the way they
should. The survey and map structure boxes in xtherion are not empty.
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On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 1:17:46 PM CST Bruce Mutton wrote:
> Bill
>
> As Martin suggested, you just need to define a top-level map, and selec
ed presentation unless it
is offset to the side.
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On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:55:37 AM CDT Bruce Mutton wrote:
> > There is one feature I have found that does not work. . One of my four
> maps has a section where two passages run pretty much the same way, one
> direc
d map commands to make it
happen.
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On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 5:14:00 PM CDT Scott Falkingham wrote:
> Thanks for the quick responses. With Bill's examples, I was able to get it
> working.
>
> All I had to do was to switch from sourcing multiple .th file
I have done this, and it wasn't even hard! The attached files show how I took
four separate cave maps and combined them into one.
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On Monday, October 28, 2019 11:24:21 PM CDT Scott Falkingham wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Is it supported to export a model of multiple cav
start a new profile sketch for it.
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On Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:21:30 AM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
>
> > 6. 9. 2019 v 17:41, Bill Gee :
> >
> > I want one continuous profile extending from OC5a on the left to G14 on the
> > right.
>
estions come up. First, if I
put survey stations in the scrap will they be used to scale the drawing?
Second, can two (or more) such scraps be joined?
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On Friday, September 6, 2019 10:26:52 AM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> it looks you have not define
Hi Martin -
This is a commercial cave - there are no secrets! The attached ZIP file has
the thconfig, .th, .th2 and centerline data files for the whole project.
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On Friday, September 6, 2019 8:50:38 AM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
> Bill,
>
> may you publish
ing as cross-sections. Indeed, that might be easier to fit onto the
final map. I think the only real problem there is whether cross-section scraps
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Compass does
not do that. He did not mention the northing numbers, but I suspect they are
also very large.
Has anyone here done much work with Compass PLT files? Am I missing something
in the export command?
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feature be added as a suggestion for future versions of Survex?
Compass does quite a few other calculations. For example, it will calculate
the volume of the bounding box. A sample report is attached. It is nice that
the report is in both meters and feet.
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process looks very complex to me, and besides -
Loch does not run on my computers, so there is no way for me to generate an
export.
As far as I can tell, Survex does not have a way to calculate volume.
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that
will get stacked in here too! When we get done there will be at least three
levels.
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On Friday, July 26, 2019 11:46:44 AM CDT Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> > When I set up the map in the .th file, I created a map for "Ma
the lower stream to the main passage, but all that did was make for a
sloppy join. The lower stream was still above the overlook area.
I have other caves where I have done this, and it worked. What am I missing?
Attached is the .th file I am using.
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encoding utf-8
# The.th
Good idea! But no joy ... No Wayland here - I am still on X.
$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
x11
Just in case - I tried your command to force x11 and got exactly the same error.
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 3:57:32 PM CDT Olly Betts wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 09:22:5
reasons I switched to using your copr packages instead of compiling from
source. In all the years I compiled Therion from source, I always had to turn
off the Loch component because it would always fail. I was excited to have it
finally work! :-)
Regards - Bill Gee
Name
ntext failed".
This happens on both my laptop and desktop, which have two different display
drivers. It also happens on a VirtualBox guest.
Is there a way to get a more detailed log file?
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On Monday, June 24, 2019 11:15:33 AM CDT Bill Gee wrote:
> Hello everyone -
>
> I attended the NSS annual convention in Cookeville, TN last week. There was
> a very interesting presentation on a 3D
will run on Windows.
The viewer knows how to deal with Compass and Walls files. Therion can output
a Compass PLT file, so should be able to feed Breakout. I have not tried this
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I cannot figure out why. Also, it does not show any steps. There
should be 4 steps in it.
And for those who pay attention - The empty box just north of OC5 should show
two steps.
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for posting on the Wiki. I have several
other custom symbols that might be useful to others:
Pavement
Boardwalk
Tiled floor
(all as area fills)
Display case
Boxwork
Bear bed
Pendant
Stromatolite
(These are points)
Who should I send the code to for review and posting?
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r.
Is there a way I can declare a multiplier in the MetaPost code? Perhaps
declaring u = 0.6u?
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# This code defines an artificial electric light. Used in tourist sections of
a cave.
def p_u_electriclight (expr pos,theta,sc,al) =
U:=(0.3u, 0.3u);
T:=identit
Thanks, James! I can confirm that the updated Therion package installs
correctly on Fedora 29. My attempt to upgrade to Fedora 30 is still blocking,
but no longer complains about either Therion or Survex. Now it is Ekiga and
MuseScore...
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installed
- libgeotiff-1.4.0-14.fc29.i686 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
- problem with installed package therion-5.4.3-1.fc29.i686
There are other problem packages, but these two at least can be addressed
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of rope, have small differences associated with symbol
> definition, that I don’t expect are relevant, but maybe…
>
> 1. No semi colon after initsymbol (seems like it is a mistake on my part,
> but it seems like it has not ever caused me problems).
> 2. I have defi
ithpattern pattern_tiles;
enddef;
# Initialize the new symbols
initsymbol ("a_u_pavement");
initsymbol ("a_u_tiles");
endcode
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s more stuff to do! :-)
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On Friday, January 4, 2019 8:11:28 AM CST Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
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> > 4. 1. 2019 v 14:22, Bill Gee via Therion :
> >
> > There are also both line and point symbols for stairs. The line symbol
> > won't work.
I don't think it will
be useful. It looks like the symbol width is always the same regardless of how
wide the actual feature is.
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On Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:07:42 AM CST Andrew Atkinson via Therion wrote:
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> On 03/01/2019 02:20, Bill Gee via Therion wrote:
>
idden
Does anyone have any of these already defined?
If you are interested, there is a Web site for this cave.
https://starkcaverns.com/
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line, but it made
no difference. It did not even change the size of the file.
I am using Therion version 5.4.1 on 64-bit Fedora 28.
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