syrah wrote:
> Thanks Tim. The ecstasy always lies in the journey, doesn't it? It's the
> supposed destination that is the agony. :D
:)
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PasTim wrote:
> Gosh, that was a while ago. I moved off Windows for all my systems not
> too long after that first post, and have never looked back (although I
> keep it in a dual-boot system - not the music server - to keep my eye in
> a few times a year). I remember little of it, having a
syrah wrote:
> Hi Tim, so going back all the way to your original post in 2011, and to
> clarify, the file type settings that best sorted out the rebuffering
> issues you had would be to set Flac - Flac as Native?
>
> How about Flac - Pcm? Should it be Flac - Pcm = Flac OR Flac - Pcm =
>
thanks gary for the help. much appreciated.
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syrah wrote:
> Hi Tim, so going back all the way to your original post in 2011, and to
> clarify, the file type settings that best sorted out the rebuffering
> issues you had would be to set Flac - Flac as Native?
>
> How about Flac - Pcm? Should it be Flac - Pcm = Flac OR Flac - Pcm =
>
Hi Tim, so going back all the way to your original post in 2011, and to
clarify, the file type settings that best sorted out the rebuffering
issues you had would be to set Flac - Flac as Native?
How about Flac - Pcm? Should it be Flac - Pcm = Flac OR Flac - Pcm =
Disabled.
Thanks in advance.
PasTim wrote:
> Just to make sure I'm not wasting too much more of your time, you should
> know that using this method the Touch is just a music player, no more,
> no less. You can't use it to control what is played,nor see any
> metadata (album covers etc).
Sorry if I've misled you. I
Lestrad wrote:
> Don't worry, I'm not giving up. I'll try all that when I get time, but
> my wife is home now and she's got a list of things for me to do that I
> been shirkin because of this stuff ;-)
Just to make sure I'm not wasting too much more of your time, you should
know that using this
Lestrad wrote:
> Don't worry, I'm not giving up. I'll try all that when I get time, but
> my wife is home now and she's got a list of things for me to do that I
> been shirkin because of this stuff ;-)
To test foobar, you can just use a browser and ente the same URL as in
the m3u file
PasTim wrote:
> What happened?
>
> Anyway, mine just seems to work. I don't even have the UPnP Media
> Interface plugin installed. I just play the track from the UPnP
> Conbtroller queue in foobar by pressing play (the View, UPnP Controller
> shows no device when I open it, so I close it
Lestrad wrote:
> Now Foobar is so messed up I'm having to reinstall it from scratch...
What happened?
Anyway, mine just seems to work. I don't even have the UPnP Media
Interface plugin installed. I just play the track from the UPnP
Conbtroller queue in foobar by pressing play (the View,
Lestrad wrote:
> Makes perfect sense. But I tried and still get the same result. When I
> click the buttons on the IPnP controller nothing happens. I fact all the
> buttons and controls on it seem to be greyed out if no device is
> selected. If I start the title with the normal Foobar Play
PasTim wrote:
> You seem to be still playing the Touch as a UPnP device (hence the
> MediaRenderer in the log). I'm not. In foobar are you selecting the
> Touch and playing to it? If so, don't. Just play the track in the UPnP
> controller queue but don't select the touch as the device.
Lestrad wrote:
> >
Code:
> > http://lo:pw@ip-of-foobar-pc:56923/content/psc.wav
>
> >
>
>
>
> Just checked and it appears to be. Identified identically to the way
> the Music folder on the server is identified in LMS.
>
> To answer your
PasTim wrote:
> What does your m3u file contain?
Code:
http://lo:pw@ip-of-foobar-pc:56923/content/psc.wav
> Are you sure your favourite is pointing correctly at the m3u file?
Just checked and it appears to be. Identified identically to the
Lestrad wrote:
> From Squeezelite-X on my PC. But I just tried it directly on the Touch
> with the same result.
>
> But meanwhile I managed to get it to send a title to the Squeezebox, but
> the Squeezebox says it "Can't connect to server for" that file.
What does your m3u file contain? Have
PasTim wrote:
> Are you selecting the favourite direct from the Touch, or via a web
> browser?
>From Squeezelite-X on my PC. But I just tried it directly on the Touch
with the same result.
But meanwhile I managed to get it to send a title to the Squeezebox, but
the Squeezebox says it "Can't
PasTim wrote:
> Are you selecting the favourite direct from the Touch, or via a web
> browser?
What does your m3u file contain?
Are you sure your favourite is pointing correctly at the m3u file?
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Touchs & EDO.
LMS plugin
Lestrad wrote:
> That's what I'm trying to do, and was able to do with the other
> component, pnp_out. But I can't get this to work. I keep adding music to
> the UPnP Controller playlist, but nothing will play. I've added tracks
> using all the methods mentioned in the 'doc'
>
Lestrad wrote:
> Sorry, I see there's actually a section of the doc on that. Reading it
> now, will keep you updated.
I copied my m3u file to a normal place on my LMS disc and changed the
favourite url to file:/location where 'location' is the full path name
of the m3u file. That worked for
PasTim wrote:
> I am beginning to wonder if I know how you are using foobar. Can you
> just confirm that normally you are using foobar as the server, and
> playing music to a UPnP device that just happens to be the Touch via
> LMS?
>
> When you play music how exactly are you playing it in
Lestrad wrote:
> Sorry, I see there's actually a section of the doc on that. Reading it
> now, will keep you updated.
I am beginning to wonder if I know how you are using foobar. Can you
just confirm that normally you are using foobar as the server, and
playing music to a UPnP device that just
Lestrad wrote:
> No problem. Did all that and I'm still getting the same result: "Getting
> stream info", then "No items in playlist".
>
> What's the UPnP Controller Playback Queue?
Sorry, I see there's actually a section of the doc on that. Reading it
now, will keep you updated.
PasTim wrote:
> Sorry for generating some confusion. In my first post on the topic I
> had not made the method work with foobar, and it required a few
> changes.
>
> The login id and password are not those of your foobar PC, just any old
> login and password you assign in foobar for this sole
Lestrad wrote:
> Okay, I've installed foo_upnp 0.99.17 and am trying to set it up.
>
> I wasn't sure where the StreamLaptopwav.m3u file needs to go. In my /var
> I have no /www directory. Is that simply the location of your LMS
> playlists directory? Mine is elsewhere.
>
> You'd said in
Okay, I've installed foo_upnp 0.99.17 and am trying to set it up.
I wasn't sure where the StreamLaptopwav.m3u file needs to go. In my /var
I have no /www directory. Is that simply the location of your LMS
playlists directory? Mine is elsewhere.
You'd said in your earlier message that
PasTim wrote:
> I'm not sure how much you know about LMS, so forgive me if this is
> obvious. When you selected DEBUG, did you then press 'Apply'?
> When looking at the log are you doing it from the LMS Settings,
> Information page, near the bottom?
>
> As to foobar, I have both foo_upnp
slartibartfast wrote:
> After turning on debug logging look in the Server log.
>
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
Thanks. Yes, I do see references to the UPnP Media Interface. I'll have
to sit here and play music and keep the server log displayed and wait
till the rebuffering problem
Lestrad wrote:
> After I reinstalled plugin.upnp and set it to DEBUG, I still can't find
> a log.
>
> I'd love to try your solution, but when I click Library -> Configure in
> Foobar I don't see anything about UPnP... What components do you have
> installed in Foobar? foo_upnp? This is what
Lestrad wrote:
> After I reinstalled plugin.upnp and set it to DEBUG, I still can't find
> a log.
>
> I'd love to try your solution, but when I click Library -> Configure in
> Foobar I don't see anything about UPnP... What components do you have
> installed in Foobar? foo_upnp? This is what
d6jg wrote:
> Coming to this late but have you by any chance recently added any uPnP
> devices (e.g. Smart TV etc) to your network?
> uPnP is really buggy and it has been known for things like Smart TVs to
> saturate the network looking for other uPnP devices to connect to and
> therefore make
Coming to this late but have you by any chance recently added any uPnP
devices (e.g. Smart TV etc) to your network?
uPnP is really buggy and it has been known for things like Smart TVs to
saturate the network looking for other uPnP devices to connect to and
therefore make existing ones simply
PasTim wrote:
> Did you turn on the log I quoted? If you don't know how, go to
> settings, advanced, logging. Find the entry for plugin.upnp amd turn on
> info, or even debug. The log will then be in the LMS logs.
>
> If you get nowhere, I found out how to stream to an IP address without
>
Lestrad wrote:
> Okay, that's what I just reinstalled. But no log for it shows up in
> /opt/logitechmediaserver/Logs. Is the logging for the Interface done in
> the LMS server log?
Did you turn on the log I quoted? If you don't know how, go to
settings, advanced, logging. Find the entry for
PasTim wrote:
> You have to use the Upnp/DLNA Media Interface by Andy Grundman. The
> bridge is an entirely different tool to play LMS on UPnP devices (as I
> think I said).
Okay, that's what I just reinstalled. But no log for it shows up in
/opt/logitechmediaserver/Logs. Is the logging for
Lestrad wrote:
> So wait - you use the UPnP Bridge by Philippe? Or the Upnp/DLNA Media
> Interface by Andy Grundman? I was just reinstalling it (the Grndman
> one).
You have to use the Upnp/DLNA Media Interface by Andy Grundman. The
bridge is an entirely different tool to play LMS on UPnP
PasTim wrote:
> Sort of, except it has the UPnP protocol on top, which is prone to many
> varying bits of the standards being implemented, and can be flaky. I
> don't know how much the LMS UPnP media interface is used these days (the
> other LMS UPnP plugin for driving UPnP devices is used
Lestrad wrote:
> I think that's pretty much what the Foobar UPnP component does. I've
> been watching the console output to see what it does when the music
> stops and it rebuffers. No sign of it. Maybe I need to find the logs for
> the LMS UPnP plug-in.
Sort of, except it has the UPnP
PasTim wrote:
> Since LMS on its own works well, I very much suspect the problem is the
> UPnP interface between foobar and LMS. I've never liked UPnP, and only
> use it when I have to.
>
> In the past I have streamed from vlc on my laptop to LMS reliably. I'm
> pretty sure the same can be
Lestrad wrote:
> LMS is installed on the Wandboard. Originally that was in replacement of
> a slow ReadyNAS (NV+).
>
> But in fact it's always worked fine. The difference is that now I'm
> sending the stream from Foobar 2000 via the Foobar UPnP MediaRenderer to
> LMS via the UPnP/DLNA Media
LMS is installed on the Wandboard. Originally that was in replacement of
a slow ReadyNAS (NV+).
But in fact it's always worked fine. The difference is that now I'm
sending the stream from Foobar 2000 via the Foobar UPnP MediaRenderer to
LMS via the UPnP/DLNA Media Interface.
Might the root of
Lestrad wrote:
> Thanks! No, Sir, I'm strictly wired. All Cat-5 or above cable, no long
> runs.
Plase clarify is LMS on Win7 or on Wandboard ?
If it is on Win7 then it may be worthwhile upgrading to LMS 8.*, it has
many bugs fixes including a few Windows specific I/O scheduling ones.
I know it's a bother, but I'd temporarily install LMS (no customizations
nor additional plugins) on one of your desktop PCs, index some music
files on the same PC, and try to play your Touch from there. You point
the Touch to the new server by: My Music > Switch Library.
If the above is
Apesbrain wrote:
> Is this over wireless? If so, are you able to temporarily wire the Touch
> and test?
Thanks! No, Sir, I'm strictly wired. All Cat-5 or above cable, no long
runs.
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Is this over wireless? If so, are you able to temporarily wire the Touch
and test?
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This was supposed to be a thread about rebuffering and it seems to have
totally abandoned that topic.
Rebuffering has nothing to do with sound quality. Rebuffering results in
an -absence -of sound, and that sound, being absent, has no quality
whatsoever. Of course silence is perfect in a way...
My tests were extensive and under reasonably controlled conditions.
There was no difference recorded. I was using XP drivers for the
M-Audio, but that shouldn't matter... YOU CANT GET A NULL BY ACCIDENT.
You can get a difference by accident.
I have no idea why you recorded a difference: it
Phil Leigh;654707 Wrote:
My tests were extensive and under reasonably controlled conditions.
There was no difference recorded. I was using XP drivers for the
M-Audio, but that shouldn't matter... YOU CANT GET A NULL BY ACCIDENT.
You can get a difference by accident.
I have no idea why
pippin;654269 Wrote:
Try to improve WiFi reception by moving the Router/Wifi AP or adding a
high gain antenna to it.
That said, this won't fix MySB outages, though.
Hi Pippin and thanks for this. Yes, I've considered moving my modem
router closer to my touch - though this would be a pain. I
No, if that's what the Touch reports, it should be fine and the problem
is probably related to MySB.
If it's some other device reporting it check for the Touch's value.
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pippin;654256 Wrote:
Yours is a typical case: I know it's a religious discussion about
whether it will improve your SQ to decode FLAC on the PC but knowing
the Touch a bit I will never believe it does until I hear it which I
don't.
And fiddling with network settings on the PC attached to
PasTim;654338 Wrote:
Who introduced religion? I never suggested the sound quality would be
improved by tweaking network settings, not did anyone on this thread as
far as I can see. I did say you could get transmission problems, and
some people do, even with default settings.
I was
PasTim;654338 Wrote:
Who introduced religion? I never suggested the sound quality would be
improved by tweaking network settings, not did anyone on this thread as
far as I can see. I did say you could get transmission problems, and
some people do, even with default settings.
I didn't
pippin;654357 Wrote:
I didn't introduce religion, I said it's a religious discussion and
that's what it is and why I actually wanted to stay out of it. Have a
look at other threads in this or the audiophile forum if you don't
believe it. I wanted to stay out of this, I just say that I don't
PasTim;654367 Wrote:
If you say it is a 'religious' discussion, that's about 'religion'.
Best to find different terms or 'religious' people may get upset.
Religious is being used in the technical sense: something that a
person believes despite others having evidence to the contrary. It's
Phil Leigh;654355 Wrote:
No - that's wrong. ADM reports NO difference when flac or PCM is used -
at least that has always been my test result (with both Touch and SB3).
If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested to see it / try
and reproduce it.
My procedures were somewhat
PasTim;654372 Wrote:
My procedures were somewhat sloppy - I wasn't trying to be very
methodical, just tinkering. I don't have the raw data any more, and
I'm not enthusiastic enough to want to go through it all again (not
least because I have to move stuff around the house to do the tests).
PasTim;654372 Wrote:
...
However, with SPDIF into my sound card my notes say I got correlations
in the low 90s from a 2 minute piano track compared with the original
rip using PCM and mid 70s with FLAC (all at CD quality). ...
Something was very wrong with your test procedure,or your sound
Phil Leigh;654391 Wrote:
Something was very wrong with your test procedure,or your sound
card/drivers. Via s/pdif, both FLAC and WAV/PCM always give 100%
identical (correlation null = -144) comparisons with the original rip
file.
However, for this to work you do need a sound card that is
I had not realized the benefits of upgrading to 7. I have been
stubbornly resisting the change, I did not fully understand that my
performance could be drastically improved. I have lots of issues with
re-buffering of my audio streams, which is driving me batty. Maybe I
will just have to go ahead
PasTim;633464 Wrote:
This is a tale of someone who was, and still is, extremely happy with
their Logitech Touch but who had one nagging problem for which there
was a work around, but for which the cause was, nonetheless, not
understood. ...
Very useful post. I'm sure this will come in handy
garym;654157 Wrote:
Very useful post. I'm sure this will come in handy for future visitors
to the forum!
Why thank you. One tries...
Generally these SB threads seem very helpful, which encourages people
like me to have a go. When I get it wrong (especially on anything to
do with
PasTim;654215 Wrote:
Why thank you. One tries...
Generally these SB threads seem very helpful, which encourages people
like me to have a go. When I get it wrong (especially on anything to
do with audiophilia) I usually get corrected pretty quickly, and mostly
quite politely, so I'm not
There is one generally valid recommendation with computer systems these
days:
If you've got problems, DON'T TRY TO TWEAK YOUR SYSTEM.
In most cases, defaults are the best solution and messing around will
not improve anything but make it worse.
Yours is a typical case: I know it's a religious
Hi there,
This is a great thread and gives me hope that my buffering problems may
some day be resolved. on the other hand I'm thrown into a blind panic as
I can only understand about ten percent of what is being said and I
don't get the impression that logitech are hurrying out a user friendly
Try to improve WiFi reception by moving the Router/Wifi AP or adding a
high gain antenna to it.
That said, this won't fix MySB outages, though.
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pippin;654256 Wrote:
there is one generally valid recommendation with computer systems these
days:
If you've got problems, don't try to tweak your system.
In most cases, defaults are the best solution and messing around will
not improve anything but make it worse.
Yours is a typical
Great post Tim!!!
Rebuffering on my SB3 has been driving me potty too. FLAC over my
internal network was faultless but streaming radio was a complete no-no
so it looked like an ISP/Network issue. They (the ISP) had almost
persuaded me it was not a network problem because there were no packets
RegH;640281 Wrote:
4. BUT, despite the fact that it is now streaming cleanly, Vista has
already seen fit to reset the MTU on reboot to 1486.
netsh interface ipv4 show subinterfaces
Vista is supposed to tune MTU automatically but we know what a pile of
cack Vista is. There is a shed load
Phil Leigh;640283 Wrote:
The best fix for Vista is to replace it with Win7 - fast, stable and
above all reliable.
Agreed. I took the plunge to go from XP to Win 7 last month, and so
far have had few problems that weren't of my own making. SB has been
running fine, both locally and for
This is a tale of someone who was, and still is, extremely happy with
their Logitech Touch but who had one nagging problem for which there
was a work around, but for which the cause was, nonetheless, not
understood.
Under certain conditions the Touch would start rebuffering to the
extent that
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