DaveH, I can only speak for myself here in
response to your query. For me, having LDS folk on TT is not threatening
at all. I’d say if I could choose to have you guys here or not, I’d
have you here. You and Blaine would be missed, I’m sure, if you left. You
are civil and pleasant to talk
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:45:32 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DAVEH: Rest assured Judy, I have no illusions about other TTers'
thoughts about me being deceived. Nor am I offended that you or anybody
else believe such. I just appreciate your forthrightness in discussi
Aren't all the CULTists nice & polite?
Like Jim Jones, Marshall Applegate (UFO cult) and Hinckley.
Nice Polite MINISTERS of RIGHTeousness!
How else can the Fox get appointed to "guard" the henhouse? The devil does not wear a redsuit with a pitchfork!
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed
Let's share
Could you please pass the poison?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I missed the original post by Terry. Good words for us all. I do believe this all goes to why we are here -- on TT. to learn, share, or simply to learn what others think --- all that is good. None of us on T
Mean?
What exactly did JT do that was "mean"? Other than disagree.
So to disagree with you is mean and uncalled for?Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Give me a little credit, Judy. I suggested that you follow his example of being courteous and respectful. Your comment was mean and uncalled
A scary admission that needs correcting AND the continued patient forgiveness of the Lord.
I am saying that if you cannot agree, consider that they are being sincere even if they are in error, and with that in mind, very politely ask questions that will help them understand better as
LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin. Dave Hansen <[EMAI
Let me put it a different way: such talk is immature and reveals the carnality of the believer. Good reasons for amending the attitude. It was for me.
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:12:56
Kevin, it was, in my opinion, mean to cast Dave as a dispenser of
spiritual poison and it was mean to suggest that I would approve of it
if he did. Dave is usually on the learning end of these discussions.
He seldom tries to teach, and when he does, he is teaching what he
honestly believes, j
DAVEH: Normally I do not engage you in theological discussions,
Kevin. But I'm having trouble resisting on this one. Do you literally
believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin? Assuming
the answer is yes, then is it not be true that God did not tempt
the only man alive to
DAVEH: Thanx for your frank thoughts, Izzy. I do find it interesting
that you don't read my theological posts defending LDS theology, yet
you expect me to open my mind to those trying to convert me from
Mormonism. Do you understand why that would strike me as a bit odd?
I am also amaze
Stop being so JUDGEmental!
Is that what your saying? Or doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me put it a different way: such talk is immature and reveals the carnality of the believer. Good reasons for amending the attitude. It was for me.
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan
Jer But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.Did JT say he was a "willing servant of Satan"? Are you saying JT "HATES" DH, she is unloving? I do not think JT or anyo
(Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005
8:05 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
Humanity of Jesus
DAVEH: Normally I do not engage you in
th
Izzy in red.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005
8:25 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical
Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself
DAVEH: Thanx for your fran
Perfect example, FYI DaveH. Here is Terry
feeling sorry for poor you because Judy spoke the truth, and now Terry and
Kevin are at odds with each other, as you sit idly by with an innocent Cheshire grin on your
face, questioning me about my imagining monsters where there are none. But of
c
JD once more you have managed to cut and past so that
this thread appears to be saying
something other than what I did say. Let me
put it another way -
I noted that Izzy did very well with Bill by using questions until they reached an impasse
and Bill did
not become offended - neither di
Do you literally believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin?
Why shouldn't I believe the Bible? Is anyone in a position to place themselves as judge over it? Is anyone smarter than God?
James 1 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted wi
Might I suggest that you go back to the beginning of this mess and read
it again? I think you will find that I made no mention of compromise,
no mention of tolerance, no mention of watered down faith. What I did
suggest is that we love one another, whether you see the other person
as a friend
Makes no sense to me Terry because as I said before I
am not into sarcasm but it seems as though I am
talking to a wall because you go right on as though I
had not said a thing. Does the intent of the author matter??
Or is a misguided perception the most important
thing??
On Tue, 13 Sep 2
Correction Iz. I am not at odds with anyone, and I do not feel sorry
for Dave unless you mean that I am sorry that he cannot see the truth.
The only reason his name came up was as an example of someone who knew
how to communicate in a courteous adult manner. The content of his
responses was
I know after three years what he believes, just as I know what the others here believe. I have decided to love you all anyway.
Isn't this exactly what God has done? Ooo, you betcha !!!
JD
-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@
do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful? If so, how do you define this "judgmentalism." Apparently JT cannot come up with a definition. Are we so divided, here on TT, that we cannot come to terms on such a basic consideration?
JD -Original Message-From: Kevi
I certainly agree that DaveH is always a
gentleman, indeed, and an example for us all in that respect. izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005
5:00 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthT
If I am misreading what you have been writing lately, I offer a sincere
apology, but about all I have seen recently appeared to be judgmental
aand sarcastic. Guess I will just have to take your word for it.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Makes no sense to me Terry because as I
said befo
I have defined it JD, I have repeatedly pointed it out
when you participate with it
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:07:30 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful? If so, how do you
define this "judgmentalism." Apparently JT cannot
You must be speaking of the Bob Dylan
thread because that is about all we've been discussing
lately. Do you believe evaluating public ministry
is judgmental Terry? Iand am not
comfortable
trading personal insults which is what some of the
responses resorted to. If you think I
was
sarcas
Nothing is taken out of context. When you say "I don't know how to do that " (in refering to Terry's mild mannered challenge to you to act in a less harsh manner and allow for the sincerety of those with whom you desagree) you are denying the leading of the Spirit (Phil 2:12-
Please restate the definition. I cannot find your definition. You have, in deed, repeatedly pointed it out to me. But when I make the same point to you (that you are being judgmental) you have a fit.
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION. Is it that difficult to come up with ??
JD -Original
THE TOP TEN POOREST EXCUSES FOR SMALL LOVE OFFERINGS (Dale's Top Ten - September 2005 - by Dale Golden, used by permission.) 10. "If you think this is bad, you should see what the last group we had in here got..." 9. "This is $700.00 in dog money..." 8. "If money is the root of all evil, this sh
Better to have divisions than evil uniformity![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful? If so, how do you define this "judgmentalism." Apparently JT cannot come up with a definition. Are we so divided, here on TT, that we cannot come to terms
SIMPLE
Judge RIGHTEOUS judgement![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful? If so, how do you define this "judgmentalism." Apparently JT cannot come up with a definition. Are we so divided, here on TT, that we cannot come to terms on such a b
Can't answer the question, either?
Whatever.
Your allegiance to division among the brethren has got to be heart breaking for the Lord.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:51:56 -0700
That's a definition ?? OK -- I will accept it as it stands. It is more than obvious that I practice righteous judgment to a "tee" and you do not. Prove me wrong.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep
Judy, I read these notes hoping to glean a gem now and then and when I
have read them I delete them. I have none of your old information to
give you an example, but I promise to let you know the next time you do
it.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
You must be speaking of the Bob Dylan
th
Please JD stay focused. What I don't know how to
do is ask a series of questions which lead
someone to a predetermined place. Anyone can be a
Kasper Milquetoast anytime, that's no
big deal but it's not love either.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:29:14 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
N
I've yet to have a fit over anything here - which shows
how dislocated you are JD
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:41:44 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please restate the definition. I cannot find your
definition. You have, in deed, repeatedly pointed it out to
me. But when I make
No thanks[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a definition ?? OK -- I will accept it as it stands. It is more than obvious that I practice righteous judgment to a "tee" and you do not. Prove me wrong.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk
I would like to see your examples also.
NO FEAR, deleted old posts? Just check here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/
Now we all can see the wicked deeds!
Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Judy, I read these notes hoping to glean a gem now and then and when I have
"Think that I am come to send peace on earth? I came
not to send peace but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father and the daughter against her mother, and tthe daughter in law against
her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that
Try reading the posts. Answer posted earlier.
Consider your own historical allegiance to error and wishy washy winds of doctrine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't answer the question, either?
Whatever.
Your allegiance to division among the brethren has got to be heart breaking for the
Definition please. To state that you have given it in the past -- nowhere to be found -- is just another way of avoiding the question. I truly have no idea why you (all) avoid giving answers that are definitive and available for reference in the future. Why is that? Aaahhh -- don't ans
Again I would suggest you read the posts more carefully. Don't try applying my posts to JT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Definition please. To state that you have given it in the past -- nowhere to be found -- is just another way of avoiding the question. I truly have no idea why you (all) avoi
Please Judy; speak only SOFT words Job 41:3
JN 9 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Think that I am come to send peace on earth? I came not to send peace b
Much time and effort have taught me that being specific
with you is a waste of time JD.
I was specific here to the point of posting scripture
to support my point and you just blow it off as conjecture...
In case you don't remember Gary and you were claiming
Dylan's flesh and blood was in on m
DAVEH: Do you believe the Snake represents
God or Satan, Izzy? If you think LDS folks believe the Snake to
represent "God", then perhaps you would logically and correctly
conclude that LDS folks believe God tempted man. If LDS folks believe
the Snake represents
Satan, then the logic of Kevin
Now, look up "love of the brethren."
JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:16:02 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself
"Th
It is funny to see just how far you and Judy will go to avoid giving a specific answer to most questions presented to you.
No point in pursuing the pointless.
Anyone care to have a real discussion ??? I am still working on the "fall" of man. Man is created out of the dust of the eart
Following Him means that we hear His voice and "another
voice" we do not follow JD.
I have to wonder if people who want to fight so much
over what the Word of God actually says
are "brethren" to begin with. But then we are to
love our enemies also and I'm OK with that
Loving ppl is what God
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:56:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is funny to see just how far you and Judy will go to avoid giving a
specific answer to most questions
presented to you.
What is the purpose for your pursuit of these
"specific answers" from Kevin and myself
You keep saying the God tempted Adam and
Eve. The Bible says the Snake did it. Which one do you believe? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005
8:39 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthT
Terry, do you ever look in your “Deleted”
files? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005
6:35 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical
Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan
You have demonstrated the act of self-justification.
Salute.
Jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:43:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of a
Love is NOT avoidance of offence
I do not find this Modern nice christianty in application and usage by Jesus
JN 6:60 This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
And how did I demonstrate that act JD? The crowd
you hang with believe that because of
the incarnation everyone in the whole world is
"brethren" This is NOT the doctrine of
Christ
and we are to try the spirits to see if they are of God
- some just don't pass muster.
On Wed, 14 Sep 200
Thanks for your response. It may be of some help to someone - but , in my case, your response really misses the point of my concerns... actually I just re-read your post. It COMPLETELY misses the point of my concern.
Help anyone ?
Jd -Original Message-From: J
No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to home?
Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to be fulfilled by TRANSGRESSION?
Do you see the fall as just a FORMALITY, a PLANNED Offense, to serve an eternal purpose?
Do you believe that God commanded Adam & then said nevertheless ch
Are all persons your brethren?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, look up "love of the brethren."
JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:16:02 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical
How true - and if you don't mind Kevin I think I
will pass up those SOFT words...
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Love is NOT avoidance of offence
I do not find this Modern nice christianty in application and usage by
Jesus
JN
It is easily available on the Archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Terry, do you ever look in your Deleted files? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, Sep
The scriptures on love of brethren are quite meaningful in an obvious sort of way. Your question has a certain redundancy to it. I will leave it at that.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:23
LDS say FALL brought JOY
2 Nephi 2:22-25And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have rem
Hey Terry is this an example of what you were talking
about? judyt
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to
home?
Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to be fulfilled by
T
DAVEH: Therein lies the problem, Izzy. When you hear other TTers
saying something untrue about my beliefs, you assume they are
correct. Go back and read what I posted. I did not say
that God tempted
Adam and
Eve.that is what Kevin has been to trying to make you
think we believe.
Shie
DAVEH: This topic fascinates me, as I'm very curious as to why the
Protestants have such a limited (from my perspective) view of the
Fall. But for me to offer my thoughts on this event would be seen as
poisoning the well by some TTers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone care to ha
Hypothetical arguments may be useful in logic and science, but when it comes
to religion I prefer reality to hypotheticals. That is why it is a pure
waste pf time.
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity
DaveH, Kevin posts excerpts from your own ppl;
different Mormon writers - so if what Kevin posts is untrue IYO
are you saying that these ppl are all contradicting one another and that there are all these different
beliefs
under the umbrella of Mormonism?
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:34:55 -0700 D
DAVEH: Is that what you truly think, Izzy? If so, I think your
paranoia is beginning to show! Do you really believe I'm the catalyst
of discontent and discord in TT? As I see it, some TTers would have
trouble getting along with their own shadows if left alone for a few
hours.
As f
DAVEH: Thank you for your kind words, Izzy. I hope I wasn't too
harsh with you with my last post. If soI apologize.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
I certainly
agree that DaveH is always a
gentleman, indeed, and an example for us all in that respect. izzy
Fro
he cannot see the truth.
DAVEH: You say that as though you have a corner on the truth market,
Terry. Do you believe there are any TTers who do not hold at
least some theological misconceptions?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Correction Iz. I am not at odds with anyone, and I do not feel sor
"limited view of the fall." How so. Poisoning? Some think they are the protectors of the truth. Most of us know that such effort is fully unnecessary. We are all big boys and girls, in spite of our we often act. You and Blaine included.sorry. :-) Anyway, give it a try.
DAVEH: I don't understand either your logic on this, or your lack of
concern for what God wants, Perry. Do you believe it is possible for
you to become perfect (as Jesus commanded in Mt 5:48)? Or is that a hypothetical
that you think is a pure waste of time?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Hypot
DAVEH: In GREEN.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Izzy in red.
DAVEH: Thanx for your frank
thoughts,
Izzy. I do find it interesting that you don't read my theological
posts
defending LDS theology, yet you expect me to open my mind to those
trying to
convert me
DAVEH: Haven't you been reading Perry's posts about it?.
Perry wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is *a
pure waste of time* to conjecture otherwise.
It seems that whenever (with some occasional
exceptionsDavidM) I've tried to discus
DAVEH: As I see it, Kevin implied that LDS doctrine teaches that God tempted
Adam and Eve, and because of his posts Izzy apparently
now believes that I said such.
Yes Judy.Kevin does post a lot of LDS related material.
However, much of what he posts is conjecture or personal opinions
Last Saturday, in performance at the Kansas State Fair,
Garrison Keillor said, "The hurricane makes me doubt Intelligent Design;
the response makes me doubt evolution."
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