RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH, I can only speak for myself here in response to your query.  For me, having LDS folk on TT is not threatening at all.  I’d say if I could choose to have you guys here or not, I’d have you here. You and Blaine would be missed, I’m sure, if you left.  You are civil and pleasant to talk

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:45:32 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH:  Rest assured Judy, I have no illusions about other TTers' thoughts about me being deceived.  Nor am I offended that you or anybody else believe such.  I just appreciate your forthrightness in discussi

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Aren't all the CULTists nice & polite? Like Jim Jones, Marshall Applegate (UFO cult) and Hinckley. Nice Polite MINISTERS of RIGHTeousness! How else can the Fox get appointed to "guard" the henhouse? The devil does not wear a redsuit with a pitchfork! And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Let's share   Could you please pass the poison?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the original post by Terry.   Good words for us all.   I do believe this all goes to why we are here  --  on TT.   to learn, share, or simply to learn what others think  ---   all that is good.   None of us on T

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Mean? What exactly did JT do that was "mean"? Other than disagree. So to disagree with you is mean and uncalled for?Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Give me a little credit, Judy.  I suggested that you follow his example of being courteous and respectful.  Your comment was mean and uncalled

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
        A scary admission that needs correcting AND the continued patient forgiveness of the Lord.      I am saying that if you cannot agree, consider that they are being sincere even if they are in error, and with that in mind, very politely ask questions that will help them understand better as

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS belief posits that A&E sinned because it was God's plan that they must sin in order to allow them to procreate. This proves that the God of Mormonism is not the same charater as the God of the bible who tempts no man to sin! it is that "Angel of light" that tempts men to sin. Dave Hansen <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
Let me put it a different way:   such talk is immature and reveals the carnality of the believer.   Good reasons for amending the attitude.  It was for me.     JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:12:56

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Kevin, it was, in my opinion, mean to cast Dave as a dispenser of spiritual poison and it was mean to suggest that I would approve of it if he did.  Dave is usually on the learning end of these discussions.  He seldom tries to teach, and when he does, he is teaching what he honestly believes, j

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Normally I do not engage you in theological discussions, Kevin.  But I'm having trouble resisting on this one.  Do you literally believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin?  Assuming the answer is yes, then is it not be true that God did not tempt the only man alive to

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Thanx for your frank thoughts, Izzy.  I do find it interesting that you don't read my theological posts defending LDS theology, yet you expect me to open my mind to those trying to convert me from Mormonism.   Do you understand why that would strike me as a bit odd?     I am also amaze

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Stop being so JUDGEmental! Is that what your saying? Or doing?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it a different way:   such talk is immature and reveals the carnality of the believer.   Good reasons for amending the attitude.  It was for me.     JD  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jer But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.Did JT say he was a "willing servant of Satan"? Are you saying JT "HATES" DH, she is unloving? I do not think JT or anyo

RE: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
(Ever hear of the Snake, Dave?) iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:05 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus   DAVEH:  Normally I do not engage you in th

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy in red.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:25 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself   DAVEH:  Thanx for your fran

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perfect example, FYI DaveH.  Here is Terry feeling sorry for poor you because Judy spoke the truth, and now Terry and Kevin are at odds with each other, as you sit idly by with an innocent Cheshire grin on your face, questioning me about my imagining monsters where there are none.  But of c

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
JD once more you have managed to cut and past so that this thread appears to be saying something other than what I did say.  Let me put it another way -    I noted that Izzy did very well with Bill by using questions until they reached an impasse and Bill did not become offended - neither di

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you literally believe the Bible when it says that God tempts no man to sin?  Why shouldn't I believe the Bible? Is anyone in a position to place themselves as judge over it? Is anyone smarter than God? James 1 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted wi

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Might I suggest that you go back to the beginning of this mess and read it again?  I think you will find that I made no mention of compromise, no mention of tolerance, no mention of watered down faith.  What I did suggest is that we love one another, whether you see the other person as a friend

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Makes no sense to me Terry because as I said before I am not into sarcasm but it seems as though I am talking to a wall because you go right on as though I had not said a thing.  Does the intent of the author matter?? Or is a misguided perception the most important thing??   On Tue, 13 Sep 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Correction Iz.  I am not at odds with anyone, and I do not feel sorry for Dave unless you mean that I am sorry that he cannot see the truth.  The only reason his name came up was as an example of someone who knew how to communicate in a courteous adult manner.  The content of his responses was

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
   I know after three years what he believes, just as I know what the others here believe.  I have decided to love you all anyway. Isn't this exactly what God has done?   Ooo, you betcha !!!     JD     -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful?  If so, how do you define this  "judgmentalism."   Apparently JT cannot  come up with a definition.   Are we so divided, here on TT,  that we cannot come to terms on such a basic consideration?   JD -Original Message-From: Kevi

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
I certainly agree that DaveH is always a gentleman, indeed, and an example for us all in that respect. izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:00 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthT

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Terry Clifton
If I am misreading what you have been writing lately, I offer a sincere apology, but about all I have seen recently appeared to be judgmental aand sarcastic.  Guess I will just have to take your word for it. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: Makes no sense to me Terry because as I said befo

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
I have defined it JD, I have repeatedly pointed it out when you participate with it   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:07:30 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful?  If so, how do you define this  "judgmentalism."   Apparently JT cannot  

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
You must be speaking of the Bob Dylan thread because that is about all we've been discussing lately.  Do you believe evaluating public ministry is judgmental Terry?  Iand am not comfortable trading personal insults which is what some of the responses resorted to.  If you think I was sarcas

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
  Nothing is taken out of context.   When you say "I don't know how to do that "  (in refering to Terry's mild mannered challenge to you to act in a less harsh manner and allow for the sincerety of those with whom you desagree)     you are denying the leading of the Spirit  (Phil 2:12-

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
Please restate the definition.   I cannot find your definition.   You have, in deed, repeatedly pointed it out to me.   But when I make the same point to you (that you are being judgmental) you have a fit.    WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION.   Is it that difficult to come up with ??    JD -Original

Re: [TruthTalk] A laugh a day keeps the grunge away

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
  THE TOP TEN POOREST EXCUSES FOR SMALL LOVE OFFERINGS (Dale's Top Ten - September 2005 - by Dale Golden, used by permission.) 10. "If you think this is bad, you should see what the last group we had in here got..." 9. "This is $700.00 in dog money..." 8. "If money is the root of all evil, this sh

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Better to have divisions than evil uniformity![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful?  If so, how do you define this  "judgmentalism."   Apparently JT cannot  come up with a definition.   Are we so divided, here on TT,  that we cannot come to terms

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
SIMPLE Judge RIGHTEOUS judgement![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you believe that there is a "judgmentalism" that is sinful?  If so, how do you define this  "judgmentalism."   Apparently JT cannot  come up with a definition.   Are we so divided, here on TT,  that we cannot come to terms on such a b

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
Can't answer the question, either?     Whatever.    Your allegiance to division among the brethren has got to be heart breaking for the Lord.           Jd   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:51:56 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
That's a definition ??   OK  --  I will accept it as it stands.   It is more than obvious that I practice righteous judgment to a "tee"   and you do not.   Prove me wrong.   Jd  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy, I read these notes hoping to glean a gem now and then and when I have read them I delete them.  I have none of your old information to give you an example, but I promise to let you know the next time you do it. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: You must be speaking of the Bob Dylan th

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Please JD stay focused.  What I don't know how to do is ask a series of questions which lead someone to a predetermined place.  Anyone can be a Kasper Milquetoast anytime, that's no big deal but it's not love either.   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:29:14 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   N

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
I've yet to have a fit over anything here - which shows how dislocated you are JD   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:41:44 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please restate the definition.   I cannot find your definition.   You have, in deed, repeatedly pointed it out to me.   But when I make

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
No thanks[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a definition ??   OK  --  I will accept it as it stands.   It is more than obvious that I practice righteous judgment to a "tee"   and you do not.   Prove me wrong.   Jd  -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
I would like to see your examples also. NO FEAR, deleted old posts? Just check here: http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/   Now we all can see the wicked deeds!  Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Judy, I read these notes hoping to glean a gem now and then and when I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
"Think that I am come to send peace on earth? I came not to send peace but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father and the daughter against her mother, and tthe daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Try reading the posts. Answer posted earlier. Consider your own historical allegiance to error and wishy washy winds of doctrine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't answer the question, either?     Whatever.    Your allegiance to division among the brethren has got to be heart breaking for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
Definition please.  To state that you have given it in the past  --  nowhere to be found  -- is just another way of avoiding the question.   I truly have no idea why you (all) avoid giving answers that are definitive and available for reference in the future.   Why is that?   Aaahhh  --  don't ans

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Again I would suggest you read the posts more carefully. Don't try applying my posts to JT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definition please.  To state that you have given it in the past  --  nowhere to be found  -- is just another way of avoiding the question.   I truly have no idea why you (all) avoi

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Please Judy; speak only SOFT words Job 41:3   JN 9 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Think that I am come to send peace on earth? I came not to send peace b

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Much time and effort have taught me that being specific with you is a waste of time JD. I was specific here to the point of posting scripture to support my point and you just blow it off as conjecture... In case you don't remember Gary and you were claiming Dylan's flesh and blood was in on m

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Do you believe the Snake represents God or Satan, Izzy?  If you think LDS folks believe the Snake to represent "God", then perhaps you would logically and correctly conclude that LDS folks believe God tempted man.  If LDS folks believe the Snake represents Satan, then the logic of Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
Now, look up "love of the brethren."     JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:16:02 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself "Th

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
  It is funny to see just how far you and Judy will go to avoid giving a specific answer to most questions presented to you.    No point in pursuing the pointless.    Anyone care to have a real discussion  ???  I am still working on the "fall" of man.   Man is created out of the dust of the eart

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Following Him means that we hear His voice and "another voice" we do not follow JD. I have to wonder if people who want to fight so much over what the Word of God actually says are "brethren" to begin with.  But then we are to love our enemies also and I'm OK with that Loving ppl is what God

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:56:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is funny to see just how far you and Judy will go to avoid giving a specific answer to most questions presented to you.    What is the purpose for your pursuit of these "specific answers" from Kevin and myself

RE: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
You keep saying the God tempted Adam and Eve.  The Bible says the Snake did it.  Which one do you believe? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:39 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthT

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, do you ever look in your “Deleted” files? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:35 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
You have demonstrated the act of self-justification.   Salute.   Jd  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:43:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of a

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Love is NOT avoidance of offence   I do not find this Modern nice christianty in application and usage by Jesus JN 6:60 This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
And how did I demonstrate that act JD?  The crowd you hang with believe that because of the incarnation everyone in the whole world is "brethren"  This is NOT the doctrine of Christ and we are to try the spirits to see if they are of God - some just don't pass muster.     On Wed, 14 Sep 200

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
Thanks for your response.   It may be of some help to someone  -  but ,  in my case, your response really misses the point of my  concerns... actually I just re-read your post.  It COMPLETELY misses the point of my concern.   Help anyone ?   Jd   -Original Message-From: J

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to home? Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to be fulfilled by TRANSGRESSION? Do you see the fall as just a FORMALITY, a PLANNED Offense, to serve an eternal purpose? Do you believe that God commanded Adam & then said nevertheless ch

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are all persons your brethren?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, look up "love of the brethren."     JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:16:02 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Musical

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
How true - and if you don't mind Kevin  I think I will pass up those SOFT words...   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Love is NOT avoidance of offence   I do not find this Modern nice christianty in application and usage by Jesus JN

RE: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is easily available on the Archive:   http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Terry, do you ever look in your “Deleted” files? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, Sep

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
The scriptures on love of brethren are quite meaningful in an obvious sort of way.   Your question has a certain redundancy to it.  I will leave it at that.      Jd   -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:23

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS say FALL brought JOY 2 Nephi 2:22-25And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have rem

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Hey Terry is this an example of what you were talking about?  judyt   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No Answer? Are these questions too tuff or too close to home? Do you claim it was not the LDS god's purpose to be fulfilled by T

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Therein lies the problem, Izzy.  When you hear other TTers saying something untrue about my beliefs, you assume they are correct.    Go back and read what I posted.  I did not say that God tempted Adam and Eve.that is what Kevin has been to trying to make you think we believe. Shie

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   This topic fascinates me, as I'm very curious as to why the Protestants have such a limited (from my perspective) view of the Fall.  But for me to offer my thoughts on this event would be seen as poisoning the well by some TTers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Anyone care to ha

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Hypothetical arguments may be useful in logic and science, but when it comes to religion I prefer reality to hypotheticals. That is why it is a pure waste pf time. From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Judy Taylor
DaveH, Kevin posts excerpts from your own ppl; different Mormon writers - so if what Kevin posts is untrue IYO are you saying that these ppl are all contradicting one another and that there are all these different beliefs under the umbrella of Mormonism?   On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:34:55 -0700 D

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Is that what you truly think, Izzy?  If so, I think your paranoia is beginning to show!   Do you really believe I'm the catalyst of discontent and discord in TT?  As I see it, some TTers would have trouble getting along with their own shadows if left alone for a few hours.        As f

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Thank you for your kind words, Izzy.  I hope I wasn't too harsh with you with my last post.  If soI apologize. ShieldsFamily wrote: I certainly agree that DaveH is always a gentleman, indeed, and an example for us all in that respect. izzy   Fro

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
he cannot see the truth. DAVEH:   You say that as though you have a corner on the truth market, Terry.   Do you believe there are any TTers who do not hold at least some theological misconceptions? Terry Clifton wrote: Correction Iz.  I am not at odds with anyone, and I do not feel sor

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2005-09-13 Thread knpraise
    "limited view of the fall."   How so.   Poisoning?   Some think they are the protectors of the truth.   Most of us know that such effort is fully unnecessary.   We are all big boys and girls, in spite of our we often act.  You and Blaine included.sorry. :-)    Anyway, give it a try.  

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  I don't understand either your logic on this, or your lack of concern for what God wants, Perry.  Do you believe it is possible for you to become perfect (as Jesus commanded in Mt 5:48)?  Or is that a hypothetical that you think is a pure waste of time? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Hypot

Re: [TruthTalk] Musical Confusion - Noone knows least of all Dylan himself

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  In GREEN. ShieldsFamily wrote: Izzy in red.     DAVEH:  Thanx for your frank thoughts, Izzy.  I do find it interesting that you don't read my theological posts defending LDS theology, yet you expect me to open my mind to those trying to convert me

Re: [TruthTalk] The Fall

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Haven't you been reading Perry's posts about it?. Perry wrote: What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is *a pure waste of time* to conjecture otherwise. It seems that whenever (with some occasional exceptionsDavidM) I've tried to discus

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  As I see it, Kevin implied that LDS doctrine teaches that God tempted Adam and Eve, and because of his posts Izzy apparently now believes that I said such.     Yes Judy.Kevin does post a lot of LDS related material.  However, much of what he posts is conjecture or personal opinions

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2005-09-13 Thread Dave Hansen
Last Saturday, in performance at the Kansas State Fair, Garrison Keillor said, "The hurricane makes me doubt Intelligent Design; the response makes me doubt evolution." -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find