Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-11 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart fromthe process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible. You can cast the project in whatever light you desire; YOU play a role in what you believe the message says. I have said it

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-11 Thread Judy Taylor
Terry I know you must have had scripture revealed to you by the Holy Spirit; have you never had God's Word quickened to you, like parts of it just 'coming alive' to you and you have understanding that you didn't have before? No one person other than Jesus has "all truth" but He has sent the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-11 Thread Terry Clifton
The Holy Spirit has led me into much truth, not all truth. I still have many questions for which I do not have answers. I have no doubt that the day I die I will still have more questions than answers. Terry Judy Taylor wrote: Terry I know you must have had scripture revealed to

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-11 Thread Judy Taylor
Probably all of us could make the same response Terry because none of us is in possession of "all truth" at this point; howeverthe Holy Spirit has been sent to lead us there and this is His ministry. I for one, am more than willing to receive His ministry. How about you? jt On Sat, 11 Jun

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-11 Thread knpraise
Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:59:27 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart fromthe process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible. You

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-11 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: Probably all of us could make the same response Terry because none of us is in possession of "all truth" at this point; howeverthe Holy Spirit has been sent to lead us there and this is His ministry. I for one, am more than willing to receive His ministry. How

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
So was the codex called the "Bible."-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:48:12 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha It does not play into anything; upon what grounds

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
less of the rhetoric. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:11:13 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Lances doctrine of the incarnation conflicts with the clear teaching of God's

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
utter of words. Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:44:04 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha There is most definitely something perverse about equating a curse word wit

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Judy Taylor
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:48:12 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha It does not play into anything; upon what grounds would you make such a statement? The dark ages where ppl were illiterate and the rcc kept the scriptures chained to the pulpit were much later. jt

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Judy Taylor
Not only perversion but convoluted thinking also. Relationships do not happen by osmosis, they require love, trust, most of all communication andconsistency. How do you get anything other than a mere mutter of words out of any of Garys posts? jt On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:16:52 -0400 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
I give up. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:40:53 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Not only perversion but convoluted thinking also. Relationships do not happen by osmosis

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:25:26 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha The codex were scriptures, and the Bible is scriptures. jt On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:49:33 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So was the codex called

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Judy Taylor
Good for you JD - I gave up a long time ago :) jt On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:31:52 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I give up. From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not only perversion but convoluted thinking also. Relationships do not happen by osmosis, they require love,

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Judy Taylor
No JD; my belief is that there is no relationship with Christ apart from acknowledgement of and obedience to His Word. It makes no difference how it is received or whether or not one is in possession of their own personal Bible. (In our generation we have no excuse). The Synogogue came out

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where do you get this stuff? LUKE 4 Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
He wants us to go back to those days and he can be the BISHOP of your soul.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not play into anything; upon what grounds would you make such a statement? The dark ages where ppl were illiterate and the rcc kept the scriptures chained to the pulpit were

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread ttxpress
Luke refers to the'book' in ch4, but never said itwas read that day--the custom was for someoneto read from it--apparentlyJC didn't do that; instead he merely'opened the book' looking for something in particular; he 'found' it,then gave a brief sermon about it:Isaiah's writing (which

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
Was it called the Revised Standard Version?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So was the codex called the "Bible."-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:48:12 -0400Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
IN HIS MIND while we DO the best that we can. None on this forum has another approach regardless of the rhetoric. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:11:13 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
rd" to describe a relationship[ but relegating this relationship to a mere mutter of words. Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:44:04 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocry

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
What makes you think we haven't? Have you? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:17 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Luke refers to the'book' in ch4, but never said itwas

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
udy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:48:12 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha It does not play into anything; upon what grounds would you make such a statement? The dark ages where ppl were illiterate and th

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
Now maybe God can start working?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you JD - I gave up a long time ago :) jt On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:31:52 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I give up. From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not only perversion but convoluted thinking also.

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
I give up. PTL![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give up. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:40:53 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Not only perversion but convoluted thinking

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
The correct Interpretation lies in KNOWING and BELIEVING the AUTHOR! LU 24:45; 2PT 1:20; 1 JN 2:27Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No JD; my belief is that there is no relationship with Christ apart from acknowledgement of and obedience to His Word. It makes no difference how it is received

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
How do you get anything other than a mere mutter of words out of any of Garys posts? He has duel SECRET DECODER Rings! This is NOT a MYTH!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only perversion but convoluted thinking also. Relationships do not happen by osmosis, they require love, trust, most

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
Luke refers to the'book' in ch4, but never said itwas read that daydelivered[handed]..the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written It was handed to him He opened the BOOK He found where it was written Everything needs to be spelt out

**Moderator comment: was Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
the moderator From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT) HEAR YE HEAR YE, Bible Pervert speaks on perversion! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Judy Taylor
ionship with Christ that is something other than memorizing or studing the Bible? JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:02

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
I think I am before you, but I am not sure on that one. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:25:42 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha He makes us correct IN HIS MIND When is He going to START on you

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
By reading with a view to understanding. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:30:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha How do you get anything other than a mere mutter of words out of any of Garys

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Was it called the Revised Standard Version?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So was the codex called the "Bible."-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Judy Taylor
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:22:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart fromthe process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible. jt:

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Deegan
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Was it called the Revised Standard Version?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So was the codex called the "Bible."-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo:

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Christine Miller
ndgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart fromthe process of evaluation and acceptance

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread ttxpress
it's v challenging! such authorityisdifficult to come by--when did you become hostile to our pursuit? On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everything needs to be spelt out for you BIBLE "AUTHORITIES" ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread Christine Miller
TED] wrote: -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apa

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:22:28 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart fromthe process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible. jt: Why not? This is what was expected of Israel under the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
, at the cross, it is an occurrence IN THE MIND OF GOD. -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:01:57 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha It (Hb 10) doesn't have to. Few singular texts, if any, are meant to explicate

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
:-)-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:10:17 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha it's v challenging! such authorityisdifficult to come by--when did you become hostile to our pursuit? On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:50:33 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD wrote: The Bible tells us that "faith is reckoned as righteousness." That is true. Paul encourages us, however,to accept that, and move onto perfection (maturity): Heb. 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-10 Thread knpraise
Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:47:06 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD wrote: We are righteous IN HIS MIND. Whoa, so, God isdeceiving himself! JD,how does thatinterpretation tie intoHeb. 10:14? "For by one offering he

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
relational in nature and substance, God's success in our lives will be demonstrated in spite of our sins or errant thinking. Correct? Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:13:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Lance Muir
.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:13:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha You had implied in the past that you yours are the only ones capable of inteligent discussion. Was that the OLD JD?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are saying th

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
as it may be, to the exclusion of the larger picture (much larger) of who we are and what we are becoming is somewhat preposterous, to me. Jd -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:46:22 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
6:40 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha The "duh !!" response was the only thing I could think of at the time. Judy had once again put me in the category of teaching the doctrine of men, for some reason, while entering into a discussion of what she

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
o wrong actions and a pagan lifestyle. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:13:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha You had implied in the past that you yours are the only

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
2005 7:10 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha That is exactly what I mean by "the truth." We sinners have so much going for us than creative ways of doing things wrong. AT THE SAME TIME, we can be concerned with our physical health, with doing a

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
He died for a better raltionship with Him. -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:21:14 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha That's the crux of our theological divergence, JD. You believe that God's goal for His

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
That I can agree with. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha He died for a better raltionship with Him. -Original Message-From

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
nal Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:25:45 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha You can't "express" the fruit of the Spirit unless you AREIN the Spirit. You can fake it for short periods of time, but the real you w

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Christine Miller
JD wrote: God's success in our lives will be demonstrated in spite of our sins or errant thinking. We are supposed to hate sin. We don't shrug at it. And I wouldn't necessarily connect sin with errant thinking. Even the Israelites made a distinction between 'high-handed' sins and sins

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
Then the Old Man still ain't dead. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Soo, if say95% of the time your actions manifest love , joy

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread ttxpress
hey christine, someone else hasyour conscience problem too, eh? how'd she know this, by analyzing her children? On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:55:37 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [JD:]Can one compare himself to certain biblical standards and be deceived at the same time?

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread ttxpress
myth [the biblicalWord created and sustains the world--'the earth..and they that dwell therein' belong to Him, as always, therefore, (our)'relationship'(with him) isboth positive and negative, e.g., as when anon-Chrisitianmutters 'Jesus Christ' and as when someone who loves him like JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
all part that is negative and expressive of the "old you -- ala Eph 4:20-24? JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:58:09 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Then the Old Man still ain't dead. Iz F

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:02:20 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha How so JD? Since there is no relationship with the Truth outside of His Word? The Truth Himself says: "If a man love me he will keep my words and my Father will love him and we will come into him and make our abode with him&quo

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why not save some typing? Just post a "1" for MYTH post a "2" for Dualism So in this case, you could havejust posted "12" MYTH DUALISM in one post. The variety of it all! myth [the biblicalWord created and sustains the world--'the earth..and they that dwell therein' belong to Him, as always,

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread knpraise
Judy, do you accept that thousands of Christians of the first and second centuries never personally read nor studied the Bible? How does that play into your point below. On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:02:20 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..there is no relationship with the Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
There is most definitely something perverse about equating a curse word with a relationship. jt On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:19:28 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth [the biblicalWord created and sustains the world--'the earth..and they that dwell therein' belong to Him, as always,

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
It does not play into anything; upon what grounds would you make such a statement? The dark ages where ppl were illiterate and the rcc kept the scriptures chained to the pulpit were much later. jt On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:40:39 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, do you

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-09 Thread Judy Taylor
5 17:02:20 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha How so JD? Since there is no relationship with the Truth outside of His Word? The Truth Himself says: "If a man love me he will keep my words and my Father will love him and we will come into him and make our abode with h

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
It has occurred to me that if we speak and write with the view in mind that we at the beginning of another day of learning, our hearts and minds will be more open to what God has instore. Perhaps our doctrinal statements should not be "as if written n stone.' But reflective of the growth that

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
We don't start all over again from the beginning JD; if we don't hold fast to what we already know and understand as truth then we are in danger of slipping ie: "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed (attention) to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
You really don't even try to understand what I am saying. Let's move on, shall we. Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:49:57 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha We don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
I understand what you are saying JD but youmix spiritual growth which is in flux and has to do with obedience in our daily lives withdoctrine - or what we believe. They are related because "as a man believes in his heart - so is he" but it is impossible for an internet list to evaluate how

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha It has occurred to me that if we speak and write with the view in mind that we at the beginning of another day of learning, our hearts and minds will be more open to what God has instore. Perhaps our doctrinal

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Let me make sure I'm on the same page here. JD is saying that our "doctrinal statement" which for me is God's Word should not be as if written in stone. You Izzy if I am understanding correctly are saying that WE grow in Christ and are more perfected each new day. Is this what you are

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Let me make sure I'm on the same page here. JD is saying that our doctrinal statement which for me is God's Word should

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
e-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:10:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha I understand what you are saying JD but youmix spiritual growth which is in flux and has to do with obedience in our dail

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
appears to me thatit is this very point that keeps so many of us apart. JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:35:39 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Good thought, JD. It is the normal walk fo

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
Not exactly. I do notinclude our (read: my) doctrinal statements with the "Word of God." I do believe that when we think we know something, we do not yet know it as we ought. I also believe that God can and does work great good in His people in spite of the fact that might be thinking poorly on

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
The disciples were learning by doing with a limited understanding - Things changed after Pentecost when they received the Promise. Look at the difference in Peter - We begin there so God's Word should no longer be a mystery to us whether we are walking in every bit ofit or not. My point is

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD Paul is surely NOT against knowing but knowing that is final So you say. Then I can never really know if what you are saying even now is true. Why are you always looking to talk people out of knowing the truth? Do you want them to end up like you, questioning everything? Or so you can then

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:49:57 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha We don't start all over again from the beginning JD; if we don't hold fast to what we already know and understand as truth then we are in danger of slipping ie: "Therefo

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:45 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha It has occurred to me that if we speak

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
ferently.such is our "performance." Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:10:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha I understand what you are saying JD but youmix spiritual g

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Me too! It's either the Word of God orLance and his crowd who believe that we can't know anything because of the enlightenment... On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We get the gist of it and we don't like it. Your words are your private

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:35:39 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Good thought, JD. It is the normal walk for a Believer that we are growing in Christ and His Word each new day?being more and more perfected. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The disciples were learning by doing with a limited understanding - Things changed after Pentecost when they received the Promise. Look

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
, 8 Jun 2005 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha We get the gist of it and we don't like it. Your words are your private doctrine. I prefer the Word of God[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really don't even try to understand what I am saying. Let's move on, shall we. Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
-- I do not know. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD Paul is surely NOT against knowing but knowing that is final So you say. Then I can never really know

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:55:51 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we decide upon a "truth," finalize that in our mind and even institutionalize the concept, we close the doorto further examination. jt: What do you mean "decide upon a truth" JD? Are you saying that

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
--Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD are you Growing or Vacillating?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one called you ignorant. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEBATE

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Judy Taylor
has everything to do with the "way we act." How could it be seen differently.such is our "performance." Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 20

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
. Jd -Original Message- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:10:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha I understand what you are saying JD but youmix spiritual growth which is in flux and has

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
. JD -Original Message- From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.com To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD are you Growing or Vacillating? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one called you

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha When we decide upon a truth, finalize that in our mind and even institutionalize the concept, we close the doorto further examination. With that door closed, we are shut off from amending our point of view.We stop growing and declare to all who

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Perhaps this is true in the high church as well -- I do not know. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD Paul is surely NOT against knowing but knowing tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
resulting insult? What is intellectual fair game to you? Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha We get the gist of it and we don't like it. Your words are your

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
e-From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha JD are you Growing or Vacillating?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one called you ignorant. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEBATE THIS TYPE OF COMME

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha Not too bad of a question. Quite often growth may appear to bevacillation.If we define new birth as a putting on of Christ, emphasis ona relationship, then we might suppose that the resulting validation marking the difference

RE: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:56 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha When we decide upon a "truth," finalize that in our mind and even institutionalize the concept,

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ttxpress
that's cuz yergoin' ta hell On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:58:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to jt: You really don't even try to understand what I am saying. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread ttxpress
yer goin' ta hell On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:12:41 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to jt: || If you don't agree, so what?

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
HA HA good subject for jokin about. Go stand by the gates of hell, and hear the damned entreat you to go to their father's house and bid their brothers and sisters and servants and masters not to come there[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's cuz yergoin' ta hell On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:58:48 -0400

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread knpraise
Oh, I forgot. JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:46:38 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha that's cuz yergoin' ta hell On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:58:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to jt: You really don't even try

Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

2005-06-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
HA HA Just like a LOST man.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yer goin' ta hell On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:12:41 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to jt: || If you don't agree, so what? Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out!

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