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very good article on this topic. http://java.oreilly.com/news/farley_0800.html On 7/7/05, Emmanouil Batsis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Henry Xu wrote: > > >Now I can focus on my job and be more productive by not having to write > getters and setters manually. > > > >Only when I wrote

Re: (OT) Re: Struts vs .NET???

John Henry Xu wrote: Now I can focus on my job and be more productive by not having to write getters and setters manually. Only when I wrote million line codes I realized how insane to write something machine can produce perfectly to you. The choice of a methodology like Model Driven devel

(OT) Re: Struts vs .NET???

th America) - Original Message - From: "Dakota Jack" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:54:18 -0700 > > Okay, okay, Reumann. Do you want to be right or do you want to be > loving? ///;-) Xu really is not all

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Okay, okay, Reumann. Do you want to be right or do you want to be loving? ///;-) Xu really is not all that atuned to computer stuff, even though he is a computer journalist, so you might take him on as your grasshopper? ///;-) On 7/5/05, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Henry Xu

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:24 À : Struts Users Mailing List Objet : Re: Struts vs .NET??? John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 6:43 AM: > Is writting > lots of getters and setters manually the most productive way in real > projects? You keep coming back to this getters and setters thing:) Like I sa

Re: [OT] some props John/Jack (WAS) Re: Struts vs .NET???

quot; Subject: [OT] some props John/Jack (WAS) Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:42:10 -0400 > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 9:50 PM: > > > Jack H. Xu > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > http://www.usanalyst.

[OT] some props John/Jack (WAS) Re: Struts vs .NET???

John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 9:50 PM: Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com Hey cool site! John/Jack(?) I really like the way the articles are presented. I love clear step by step approaches! The one on web services looks great. -- Rick

[OT] "Show me the money..I mean Lines" WAS Re: Struts vs .NET???

Replying changing the subject so people don't think this is a struts vs .net debate... I'm still curious what John Henry is talking about with this GUI and less lines of code concept.. my comments below... John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 6:43 AM: Is writting lots of getters and

Re: Struts vs .NET???

John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/2/2005 6:43 AM: Is writting lots of getters and setters manually the most productive way in real projects? You keep coming back to this getters and setters thing:) Like I said any editor (even vim:) can create getters and setters. I take it you think St

Re: Struts vs .NET???

Dave Newton wrote the following on 7/2/2005 4:06 PM: Gregory Seidman wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Heh, } } I hate this kind of discussion... } } Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world... } } I want to see you refactoring a method, lets s

Re: Struts vs .NET???

Sorry was away from the list all weekend... some questions below... John Henry Xu wrote the following on 7/1/2005 7:24 PM: Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic text editor. My consideation is based on the cost of software development. Let's say for the same problem th

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On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 03:15:38PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote: } I didn't ask how Mono runs on Apple, did I? No, you asked how C# runs on Apple. The only .NET runtime and C# compiler than I know of that supports MacOS X (which is what I believe you mean by "Apple") is Mono. Therefore, C# runs on App

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I didn't ask how Mono runs on Apple, did I? On 7/3/05, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:34:44PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote: > } And how does C# run on Apple? LOL > > See http://www.mono-project.com/ > > --Greg > > >

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

Actually, this did not help me at all. I understand that differences, etc. I just wondered what you thought, since I thought your conclusions were contrary to the facts. On 7/3/05, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:48:37PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote: > } What

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:48:37PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote: } What is your basis for your assessment of .NET and Struts? What sort } of problem are you talking about/ My assessment is based on my own development experience with both, plus lurking on this list for a few years. I will reiterate th

Re: Struts vs .NET???

On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 07:56:23PM -0700, netsql wrote: [...] } And now this is realy going to piss you off: You can do Apache Struts } MVC in C#: } http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/struts/sandbox/trunk/overdrive/Nexus/Core/?rev=208875 See, now *that's* a cool idea. I'm afraid the straight code

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getusjobs.com/jobsite/index.jsp?rclient=0080";>http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: "Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: RE: Re: Struts

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On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 11:34:44PM -0700, Dakota Jack wrote: } And how does C# run on Apple? LOL See http://www.mono-project.com/ --Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE

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2 more Struts sites to add to the list (http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsWebLinks): http://www.iberia.com/ https://caixadirecta.cgd.pt/ (bank) Of course I cannot be sure but it sure seems like it :) PS On 03/07/2005 09:44, "Jesse Alexander (KBSA 21)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Origin

RE: Re: Struts vs .NET???

-Original Message- . . . What makes you think http://wiki.apache.org/struts/PoweredBy is a struts site? Don't give wrong information. . . . Technology columnist and editor -/Original Message - No wonder I have such a low consideration for technology columns and their writers... He

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

What is your basis for your assessment of .NET and Struts? What sort of problem are you talking about/ On 7/2/05, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:32:00AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: > } Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above

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t; - Original Message - > From: "Dakota Jack" > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700 > > > > > You only have this "experience" because you clearly do not

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And how does C# run on Apple? LOL On 7/2/05, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote: > } With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of > } .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof. > } Any dumb c

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portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:56:23 -0700 > > John Henry Xu wrote: > > > > > So tell me what does the owner of your company think m

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John Henry Xu wrote: So tell me what does the owner of your company think most important? He is probably thinking how to get rid of ineffective managers. What is your agenda, to come tell us your's is bigger? There are plenty of large Struts sites, if that is what your aim was: http://wiki

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at does the owner of your company think most important? Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: "Dave Newton" To: "Struts Users Ma

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John Henry Xu wrote: I was working on Java until I became a manager. AH-HA! NOW we know what's going on here. Money is the No. 1 factor for a owner/manager. That's pathetic, and I would NEVER work for somebody with that opinion. Dave -

Re: Struts vs .NET???

Gregory Seidman wrote: On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Heh, } } I hate this kind of discussion... } } Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world... } } I want to see you refactoring a method, lets say change the method name, } with emacs/vi/notepa

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netsql wrote: In my shop, GUI tools for Swing or UI, such as VS, are not allowed. You must make UI handcoding it. You'll just have to take my word that it's *MUCH* more productive to hand code a UI when you are building a complex UI. Usually more performant, too: it's easy to code a slow Swi

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eidman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Gainty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 10:31:02AM -0400, Martin Gainty wrote: } Could you elucidate for me how .NET handles thread synchronisati

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Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: "Dakota Jack" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:0

Re: Struts vs .NET???

- - Original Message - From: "Gregory Seidman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote: } With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of }

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Gregory Seidman wrote: You clearly missed my post on the advantages C# has over Java Clearly you are missing that we, users of Apache software, *don't care* which is better. news flash: We use both. A large chunk of people here also sigh up for iBatis DAO, we use both C# and Java. http:/

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On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 04:41:38AM -0700, Nitish Kumar wrote: } With all due respect to every one (including microsoft).. the advantage of } .NET is nothing but a IDE which is idiot proof. } Any dumb can do a few clicks followed by intelligent editor to prompt and } spoon feed whats to be written,

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

Gregory Seidman wrote: Of course, I can't make any guarantees on how much traffic these sites get. They are, however, pretty popular. This is a good list: http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_500 So it this: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html In this 2nd you can see that MS

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 03:32:00AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Btw... Can you name 10 successful .NET sites? Something clearly above 100 } Million PIs / month, better 1 billion PIs ? } I'd be really interested :-) I don't know that anyone keeps a list around, but this is a foolish challenge to

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And he's not the fastest keyboard user in the world. I am. This has been well-established in previous threads. Search the archives. (In all seriousness, I did actually hold the informal record for typing speed when I was in the Army, dunno if that still stands or not... which of course is

Re: Struts vs .NET???

On Sat, Jul 02, 2005 at 02:16:49AM +0200, Leon Rosenberg wrote: } Heh, } } I hate this kind of discussion... } } Maybe you are the fastest keyboard user on the world... } } I want to see you refactoring a method, lets say change the method name, } with emacs/vi/notepad if there are about 20 oth

Re: Struts vs .NET???

t; comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another email). > > Jack H. Xu > Technology columnist and editor > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > - Original Message ----- > From: &quo

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(I need to get faster at creating filters I guess...) Sadly, that is the lie that the idiots are buying into. Yes, the IDE helps you do simple things like create a table ("Oooh, I do not have to remember , and ? Yipp!") or create a form ("Hmm, post vs get...I always have to look that up.") o

RE: Struts vs .NET???

-Original Message- From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > Dakota Jack wrote: Good lord, if you want a GUI tool, just make one. D.J., I think a person doesn't need do all t

Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???

I agree w/ Dakota on this. Using a "lines of code" metric to measure cost is about as valid as saying "Well, gee, M$'s stock prices are way higher than Sun's, so we should use .net!" (Which, incidentally was the approach used where I work. Scary.) This thread is retarded. The intent is to decide w

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projects? Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: "Dakota Jack" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Da

Re: Struts vs .NET???

akota Jack" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700 > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code > the framework. > > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote: >

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--- Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is like comparing apples and oranges. The level of coding > knowledge in this thread is way low, way low. In fact, people were comparing J2EE with .NET. instead of Struts vs .NET since they are apple and orange.. The subject is misleading... -

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This is like comparing apples and oranges. The level of coding knowledge in this thread is way low, way low. On 7/1/05, Yan Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good point. Sometimes you want a Picaso, and sometimes you want a $10 > > painting. > > > > How many people could afford Picaso? That is

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--- Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I don't. This is a really superficial analysis. This is an empty statement. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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> > million dollars. > > > > Jack H. Xu > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > > > > > - Original

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columnist and editor > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > - Original Message - > From: netsql > To: user@struts.apache.org > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > Date: Fri, 01

Re: Struts vs .NET???

- Original Message - > From: "Rick Reumann" > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 > > > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: &

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Good lord, if you want a GUI tool, just make one. This is not a response to Reumann who absolutely rocks but to those people who like other people to code for them, i.e. the VB lovers and the like, like JSF, .NET, etc. On 7/1/05, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Henry Xu wrote the f

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Actually, I usually compare JSF and .NET. On 6/30/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We usually compare > > J2EE vs .NET > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in my > opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts application, > otherwise y

Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats

On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think the larger problem for a java developer > in a small business sector > > is PHP or even Perl. .NET is mostly irrelevant, at least in germany. > > Agree with you that PHP snd Perl and MySQL are popular on web thes

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John Henry Xu wrote: .V, I was working on Java until I became a manager. Hmmm. In struts and EJB, lots of codes fit into patterns and can be automated. If you think automating code generation is your best skill, go for it. It's telling that you selected EJB. You can generate more code

Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats

North America) - Original Message - From: "Leon Rosenberg" To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:53:01 +0200 > > > When you have a debate, try not to win the debat

Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats

> When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by > putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things > (such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as > long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a ty

Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats

> When you have a debate, try not to win the debate by by > putting words in others mouths and not to exaggerate things > (such as 1000 times). Considering .NET has not been around as > long as java/j2ee, don't you think the numbers are scary? No I don't, and know why? Here is a quote from a ty

Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???

://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:54:42 -0700 > > Yan Hu wrote: > How long did it take you to be this p

Re: Struts vs .NET??? ->This is my Stats

All done on the US sites. www.monster.com .NET more than 1000 and 20 pages Java more than 1000 and 20 pages www.dice.com .NET 8490 listings Java 11159 listings www.indeed.com (an aggregator for all major job sites in the US) .NET 68,599 listings Java 63,451 listings When you have a debate, tr

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

--- Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yan Hu wrote: > > How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why > > .NET is creeping up so fast. > > After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as > for java i tested it myself. Stop putting words in

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

Yan Hu wrote: > How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why > .NET is creeping up so fast. After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as for java i tested it myself. Monster search for java: 25 pages Monster search for .NET 17 pages +47% for java

Re: Struts vs .NET??? -> Real Stats

Yan Hu wrote: > How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why > .NET is creeping up so fast. After you told us about 1000 times that there are much more jobs for .NET as for java i tested it myself. Monster search for java: 25 pages Monster search for .NET 17 pages +47% for java

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> Good point. Sometimes you want a Picaso, and sometimes you want a $10 > painting. > How many people could afford Picaso? That is excatly why .NET is creeping up so fast. As Rod Johnson asked, how many huge huge apps are out there waiting for distributed transaction management provided by E

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Yan Hu wrote: How long did it take you to be this productive? Obviously, you are expensive for all the hard work you did in the past. But a bum who needs only 10 dollars hours could do the same thing with FrontPage as you would. Why would I pay you 50 dollars an hours to just draw a couple of

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columnist and editor > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Rick Reumann" > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > Subj

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John Henry Xu wrote: code which can be automated by GUI and tools. Microsoft usually do this job better. Hope we learn from them. Jack H. Xu I am sure you write better than me. Look at it this way, you could be a sports journalist and I could be a pro basketball player, and you are writing

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rosoft usually do this job better. Hope we learn from them. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts v

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John Henry Xu wrote: V., in any cases of programming, more lines and more classes means more work and more money. Don't you agree? Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor Unless I do fixed bid. Or have my own software company... where you try to reduce costs. So we only do things that r

Re: Re: Struts vs .NET???

From: netsql To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:30:31 -0700 > > > > > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. >

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Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut those 5 million dollars. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor Ahh.. you are an editor... and not a

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erica) - Original Message - From: "Rick Reumann" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: > > > struts can fit into J2EE

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Rick Reumann wrote: John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: you spend lots of time on getters and setters. You can use stuts w/ collections, maps, lists. I used to. No need for beans (I used own "baseBeans" and got rid of it when I found collections superior). For example mut

Re: Struts vs .NET???

John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and setters. Well even many of the most basic edito

Re: Struts vs .NET???

We usually compare J2EE vs .NET struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. And in my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and setters. .NET is good technology but it can not work on other systems.

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Lets say it's true. Maybe you should check the asp list for that tool. .V Rafael Taboada wrote: Hi folks I've been reading all mails about VS.NET . I have a question. Is it true that software in ASP.NET is faster than in Struts???.. HOw true is this opinion? I