Re: Auto-learning ‘considered harmful’: not so much when rejecting spam?

2023-01-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 1/17/2023 7:33 AM, David Bürgin wrote: I have heard it said many times on this list that auto-learning is discouraged, so I decided to finally look into disabling it. But then I realised that I do have a use for auto-learning: In my setup, I use a milter to reject certain spam (score > 1

Re: Auto-learning ‘considered harmful’: not so much when rejecting spam?

2023-01-17 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 1/17/2023 7:33 AM, David Bürgin wrote: I have heard it said many times on this list that auto-learning is discouraged, so I decided to finally look into disabling it. But then I realised that I do have a use for auto-learning: In my setup, I use a milter to reject certain spam (score > 1

Auto-learning ‘considered harmful’: not so much when rejecting spam?

2023-01-17 Thread David Bürgin
I have heard it said many times on this list that auto-learning is discouraged, so I decided to finally look into disabling it. But then I realised that I do have a use for auto-learning: In my setup, I use a milter to reject certain spam (score > 10.0). Now, if I turn off auto-learning I l

Re: Question regarding auto-learning

2018-07-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
and bayes_min_spam_num. note that too few mails trained can result in false positives/negatives. I am currently collecting spam on one of my servers via a spam trap address and slowly reaching that number. I was wondering, though, if I can use auto learning (bayes_auto_learn 1), before training

Question regarding auto-learning

2018-07-03 Thread J Doe
address and slowly reaching that number. I was wondering, though, if I can use auto learning (bayes_auto_learn 1), before training the database ? When autolearn fires on messages at the moment, it is correctly detecting ham and spam based on the default ham and spam thresholds

Re: Bayes not auto-learning?

2018-02-24 Thread David Jones
arn_on_error" enabled, then autolearn will be skipped if Bayes already agrees with the condition of the message. IE: if the message is already classifed as BAYES_99 then it won't bother auto-learning it as yet another high-ranking spam. I do not have that enabled. Also, as you can see from above

Re: Bayes not auto-learning?

2018-02-24 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 2/24/2018 2:05 AM, Amir Caspi wrote: Does the above provide an indication as to why it didn't autolearn? No, the above does not help as the autolearning is complicated. I believe a few years ago I added debug output or headers or something that tried to make it clearer.  If it doesn't

Re: Bayes not auto-learning?

2018-02-23 Thread Amir Caspi
learn will be skipped if Bayes already agrees with the condition of > the message. IE: if the message is already classifed as BAYES_99 then it > won't bother auto-learning it as yet another high-ranking spam. I do not have that enabled. Also, as you can see from above, this hit BAYES_50. Do

Re: Bayes not auto-learning?

2018-02-23 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-02-23 22:32, Amir Caspi wrote: > So, I've been trying to tweak my setup and noticed that VERY few of my > emails are being autolearned as spam, even when their spam threshold > is far above the autolearn threshold. The threshold is set to 12; I > just saw a spam with score >25 not being

Re: Bayes not auto-learning?

2018-02-23 Thread David B Funk
mir If you read the spamassassin documentation about Bayes auto-learning you will see that there are several conditions that must be satisfied. For example, there are some types of rules which aren't considered at all when computing the auto-learning threshold score (such as white/black list sco

Bayes not auto-learning?

2018-02-23 Thread Amir Caspi
Hi all, So, I've been trying to tweak my setup and noticed that VERY few of my emails are being autolearned as spam, even when their spam threshold is far above the autolearn threshold. The threshold is set to 12; I just saw a spam with score >25 not being autolearned. Are

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 12:52 AM, Axb wrote: Site wide bayes works VERY well even under such ugly conditions as traffic with multiple languages, for ham as well as spam. Please tell me more. This goes against Paul Graham's orginal advice, IIRC. And it goes against intuition. Then again. Bayesian

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 11:14 PM, John Hardin wrote: Autolearn trains the bayes database. The bayes data is stored wherever you configured it to be stored, in a DBM database or SQL or redis, and it's per-user if you configure per-user Bayes databases and

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 08:00 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/02/2014 12:52 AM, Axb wrote: Site wide bayes works VERY well even under such ugly conditions as traffic with multiple languages, for ham as well as spam. Please tell me more. This goes against Paul Graham's orginal advice, IIRC. And it

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
Well... I just turned on autolearn for a moment, deleted the bayes_* files on the test account I use, and sent myself a message from my usual outside account. And new bayes_* files were created. So I was wrong, and I win. More options. So now I can proceed to the what does this mean? phase.

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
Axb, I'm not sure I quite believe it. And I'm not quite sure I trust you. But you do make an attractive pitch. Excellent spam filtering, system-wide, with no responsibility for training on the part of the users? This sounds like the kind of too good to be true message that I'd expect to

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 08:48 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: Someone, please convince me that I should turn it on. autolearn doesn't mean you cannot also train manually... Should I turn it on and take my train as ham entry out of .forward? Or should I not? manually training ham from unreviewed data? bad

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 09:01 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: Axb, I'm not sure I quite believe it. And I'm not quite sure I trust you. But you do make an attractive pitch. Excellent spam filtering, system-wide, with no responsibility for training on the part of the users? YOu don't need to trust me or

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 02:02 AM, Axb wrote: and don't count on that - they may do it the first week, new toy, but for how long? Not new. They'd previously been training SA with Evolution for some years. I have some confidence in many of them doing it right. Also: take in mind each user's

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Dave Funk
count and a factor taken from being classified as spam or ham. This learning process can be either externally driven (known as 'manual' learning) or via an automated process from within SA as it scores messages (known as 'auto' learning). So regardless of whether manual or auto learning is utilized

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 02:14 AM, Axb wrote: YOu don't need to trust me or believe me (I'm not selling anything - just commenting on what works for me) Well, I know you know what I meant. Ever thought of running a newer distro in a VM, only for SA and let spamass-milter use that? That would mean

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Dave Funk
check may hit it more accurately as it's been added to block-lists in the mean-time. If it starts going wrong, doesn't that mean the errors are going to spiral out of control? That is a possible risk of relying solely on auto-learning. The autolearn system has been carefully crafted and tuned

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
' from it and uses an algorithm to calculate a score for the message based upon a dictionary of previously seen tokens and their relative merit. Yeah. Bayesian statistics is pretty cool. or via an automated process from within SA as it scores messages (known as 'auto' learning). So regardless

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
about greylisting. ;-) But for all the discussion today, we never really had a good talk about postscreen, which is something I'd like to hear someone expound a bit upon. I've used site-wide Bayes with auto-learning at a site with ~3000 users and have had to flush restart our Bayes database

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 10:47 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: I'll add you to the list of people telling me that jumping out of an airplane at 20,000 feet with nothing but a parachute and a pair of underwear is fun. Yep... it is... though you could catch a cold...

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 10:47 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: But for all the discussion today, we never really had a good talk about postscreen, which is something I'd like to hear someone expound a bit upon. probably Wrong list ... review Postfix list archives

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 10:47 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: The DNSBL's are problematic because so many ISP's mail servers are on them. We get quite a few emails from employees at companies who's ISP's are on Spamhaus lists, or whatever, due to nothing that has anything to do with them. I'm pretty sure, a

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 06:45 AM, Axb wrote: I'm pretty sure, a huge amount of SA users trust Spamhaus' ZEN at smtp level for outright rejects. At this point, I'm using the defaults, other than upping BAYES_999 enough to enough to total to 5.0 when added to BAYES_99. If a sender's IP is listed

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 03:54 PM, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/02/2014 06:45 AM, Axb wrote: I'm pretty sure, a huge amount of SA users trust Spamhaus' ZEN at smtp level for outright rejects. At this point, I'm using the defaults, other than upping BAYES_999 enough to enough to total to 5.0 when added

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
You are discussing about DNSBLs but not being specific. I'm specific in that all the DNSBL's blacklist IP addresses or blocks. And that in today's world many, many companies share sets of mail servers with many other companies and individuals. I'll let others sell you this Hoover. No

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 04:40 PM, Steve Bergman wrote: You are discussing about DNSBLs but not being specific. I'm specific in that all the DNSBL's blacklist IP addresses or blocks. And that in today's world many, many companies share sets of mail servers with many other companies and individuals.

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 09:48 AM, Axb wrote: If an IP is exploited/sends spam and a legitimate msg is rejected then somebody hasn't done due diligence and I see the reject as legitimated. The legitimate senders and receivers of the good message, neither of whom's companies have anything to do with

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 05:39 PM, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/02/2014 09:48 AM, Axb wrote: If an IP is exploited/sends spam and a legitimate msg is rejected then somebody hasn't done due diligence and I see the reject as legitimated. The legitimate senders and receivers of the good message, neither of

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
I suggest you join the SDLU list where you can discuss anti spam philosophy. Thanks. I suggest that you consult for an ISP-dependent business someday. ;-) It's an education, too. -Steve

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Steve Bergman sbergma...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you join the SDLU list where you can discuss anti spam philosophy. Thanks. I suggest that you consult for an ISP-dependent business someday. ;-) It's an education, too. -Steve Just a heads-up... that

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Axb wrote: If a sender's IP is listed @Spamhaus , he has a serious problem reaching many, many destinations. If he's been expoited, you get good evidence and fast delisting processsing and I have yet to see a real FP with ZEN. A week or so back they briefly listed some of

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 11:10 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Just a heads-up... that sort of biting comment is probably not welcome I'm familiar with adapting to the relative insularities of various lists. But thanks for the head-up, Jim. -Steve

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/02/2014 11:12 AM, John Hardin wrote: A week or so back they briefly listed some of the MailControl.com MTAs, due to apparent exploits. They were quickly removed, though. So the message here is that some DNSBL's are better than others about including and removing addresses quickly and

Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies (was: Re: getting tons of SPAM)

2014-07-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 18:43 -0500, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 06:09 PM, RW wrote: I'm sceptical about the use of Dovecot-Antispam with Spamassassin. The problem is that it trains on SpamAssassin errors rather than Bayes errors. It may be possible to get sufficient spam this way, but

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/01/2014 07:32 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: That's pretty bad practice. Fundamentally, you are implementing a custom auto-learn flavor, overruling the SA configurable auto-learn behavior SA's autolearn behavior doesn't make much sense. I have no confidence in it. This method shields

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/01/2014 07:32 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: That's pretty bad practice. Fundamentally, you are implementing a custom auto-learn flavor, overruling the SA configurable auto-learn behavior BTW, that reminds me of a question I had been meaning to ask on the list. Autolearn. There's

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
much sense. I have no confidence in it. The auto-learning feature is NOT meant to be a fully automated training system. It's an aid for the user to eliminate the need to care about the extremes, while focusing on the close-calls. There are options to tweak to your specific needs, and there even

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/01/2014 09:53 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Frankly, it appears you don't understand what auto-learning is. So please specify, explicitly, what it is. I asked some specific questions about it. And I'm very interested in the answers. Is auto-learn still system-wide? I'd need

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 20:53 -0500, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 07:32 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: That's pretty bad practice. Fundamentally, you are implementing a custom auto-learn flavor, overruling the SA configurable auto-learn behavior BTW, that reminds me of a question I

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/01/2014 10:21 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: http://spamassassin.apache.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html http://spamassassin.apache.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Plugin_AutoLearnThreshold.html I've read those over and over. It never says anything about where the data is maintained, or

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:21 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: http: //spamassassin.apache.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html http: //spamassassin.apache.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Plugin_AutoLearnThreshold.html I've read those over and over. It never says

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 22:18 -0500, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 09:53 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Frankly, it appears you don't understand what auto-learning is. So please specify, explicitly, what it is. I asked some specific questions about it. And I'm very interested

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 22:40 -0500, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 10:21 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: http://spamassassin.apache.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html http://spamassassin.apache.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Plugin_AutoLearnThreshold.html I've read those over and over. It

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/01/2014 11:49 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Those do not tell you about using file or SQL based databases? They do. But not specifically with respect to autolearn. You never thought about googling for spamassassin per user and friends? You never checked the SA wiki? I have,

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
On 07/01/2014 11:14 PM, John Hardin wrote: Autolearn trains the bayes database. The bayes data is stored wherever you configured it to be stored, in a DBM database or SQL or redis, and it's per-user if you configure per-user Bayes databases and scan emails using different usernames (vs. a

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 07:19 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: On 07/01/2014 11:49 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Those do not tell you about using file or SQL based databases? They do. But not specifically with respect to autolearn. You never thought about googling for spamassassin per user and friends?

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Bergman
Lets turn this around? Can you prove autolearn was ever done to memory? I'm not really interested in proving anything. I'm interested in being convinced that autolearn is individual file-based when spamc is run as the individual user. I'm not quite sure how that would affect my strategy.

Re: Bayes, Manual and Auto Learning Strategies

2014-07-01 Thread Axb
On 07/02/2014 07:37 AM, Steve Bergman wrote: Lets turn this around? Can you prove autolearn was ever done to memory? I'm not really interested in proving anything. I'm interested in being convinced that autolearn is individual file-based when spamc is run as the individual user. It's in

Re: Bayes auto-learning a bad idea?

2011-10-01 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
on the borderline cases, but also have auto-learning enabled. Is that really a bad idea? Should I disable it, delete the bayes-databases and start over on manual-only learning? do you run manual learning? Keeping it only automatic learning can easily make things go wrong and let people think bayes is bad

Bayes auto-learning a bad idea?

2011-09-28 Thread Lars Jørgensen
Hi, Not sure if this is the correct forum, but google couldn't help me (or I am too low on caffeine). I get a lot of spam that would have been flagged as such, but a bayes score of -1.9 pulls it down to hammy status. I train Bayes manually on the borderline cases, but also have auto

Re: Bayes auto-learning a bad idea?

2011-09-28 Thread Benny Pedersen
manually on the borderline cases, but also have auto-learning enabled. Is that really a bad idea? Should I disable it, delete the bayes-databases and start over on manual-only learning? no training is always good, its more like that bayes is unsure thats the problem, when it autolearn it does

Re: Bayes auto-learning a bad idea?

2011-09-28 Thread Lars Jørgensen
On 28-09-2011 13:20, Benny Pedersen wrote: I train Bayes manually on the borderline cases, but also have auto-learning enabled. Is that really a bad idea? Should I disable it, delete the bayes-databases and start over on manual-only learning? no training is always good Are you missing

Re: Bayes auto-learning a bad idea?

2011-09-28 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:30:32 +0200, Lars Jørgensen wrote: On 28-09-2011 13:20, Benny Pedersen wrote: I train Bayes manually on the borderline cases, but also have auto-learning enabled. Is that really a bad idea? Should I disable it, delete the bayes-databases and start over on manual-only

Re: Bayes auto-learning a bad idea?

2011-09-28 Thread RW
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:30:32 +0200 Lars Jørgensen wrote: Looking at http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.3.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#learning_options i see an option called bayes_use_hapaxes that promises significantly better hit-rates, but also increases database size by a

prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Lawrence @ Rogers
Hi, I recall reading somewhere that there is a way to prevent a rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning. I am trying to create a rule that hits upon some obvious spam that I am seeing, yet I want to make sure (for now) that any scores it assigns are not used for anything Bayes

RE: prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Kevin Miller
Lawrence @ Rogers wrote: Hi, I recall reading somewhere that there is a way to prevent a rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning. I am trying to create a rule that hits upon some obvious spam that I am seeing, yet I want to make sure (for now) that any scores it assigns

Re: prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 10/21/10 11:57 AM, Lawrence @ Rogers wrote: Hi, I recall reading somewhere that there is a way to prevent a rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning. I am trying to create a rule that hits upon some obvious spam that I am seeing, yet I want to make sure (for now) that any scores

Re: prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 13:27 -0230, Lawrence @ Rogers wrote: I recall reading somewhere that there is a way to prevent a rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning. I am trying to create a rule ^ ^ that hits upon some obvious spam that I am seeing

Re: prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 18:39 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: See M::SA::Plugin::AutoLearnThreshold. In a nutshell, (a) there are a few tflags that will prevent a rule's score to be used for auto-learning and (b) the score used is picked from the respective non-bayes score-set

Re: prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Lawrence @ Rogers
On 21/10/2010 2:17 PM, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 18:39 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: See M::SA::Plugin::AutoLearnThreshold. In a nutshell, (a) there are a few tflags that will prevent a rule's score to be used for auto-learning and (b) the score used is picked from

Re: prevent rule from being considered for Bayes auto-learning

2010-10-21 Thread Jason Bertoch
On 2010/10/21 12:17 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: we decided that we didn't too much care to auto learn as 'not spam', emails sent from marketing companies, (because the reverse is true for auto learn ham) thus: aa_scores.cf:tflags RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI net nice noautolearn aa_scores.cf:tflags

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-12 Thread Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
Le mardi 11 août 2009 05:12:05, Cedric Knight a écrit : Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: Le lundi 10 août 2009 19:15:15, Cedric Knight a écrit : Stefan wrote: [...] You have to forward the message as an attachment un unpack it after receiving. Have a look at:

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-11 Thread Cedric Knight
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: Le lundi 10 août 2009 19:15:15, Cedric Knight a écrit : Stefan wrote: [...] You have to forward the message as an attachment un unpack it after receiving. Have a look at: https://po2.uni-stuttgart.de/~rusjako/sal-wrapper Yes, I find this approach works well.

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-10 Thread Stefan
Am Sonntag, 9. August 2009 07:36:54 schrieb Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. I was thinking a mailbox such as

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-10 Thread Dan Schaefer
Stefan wrote: Am Sonntag, 9. August 2009 07:36:54 schrieb Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. I was thinking a mailbox

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-10 Thread Jari Fredriksson
Stefan wrote: This may not be ideal, but in Thunderbird, you can drag messages between mailboxes. You could setup each user to have access to their own account and the two learning mailboxes. You can then have your users drag the false positives/negatives to the appropriate box. I have not

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-10 Thread Cedric Knight
Stefan wrote: Am Sonntag, 9. August 2009 07:36:54 schrieb Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. I was thinking a mailbox

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-10 Thread Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
Le lundi 10 août 2009 19:15:15, Cedric Knight a écrit : Stefan wrote: Am Sonntag, 9. August 2009 07:36:54 schrieb Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. I was thinking a mailbox such as h...@antispamserver and s...@antispamserver

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-09 Thread Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
Le dimanche 9 août 2009 06:52:49, vous avez écrit : Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. I was thinking a

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-09 Thread RW
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:36:54 -0500 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz luis.daniel.lu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. If your users

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-09 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:36:54 -0500, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz 1. Will forwarded mails be usefull for training, I mean if spam was: From: spa...@example.netTo: u...@mydomain, when forwarding it will be From: mu...@mydomain To: s...@antispamserver. Change of this and forwarding

Re: Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-09 Thread Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
Le dimanche 9 août 2009 10:56:59, Benny Pedersen a écrit : On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:36:54 -0500, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz 1. Will forwarded mails be usefull for training, I mean if spam was: From: spa...@example.netTo: u...@mydomain, when forwarding it will be From: mu...@mydomain

Mailbox for auto learning

2009-08-08 Thread Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
Hi SAs, Well, after reading this link http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.2.x/doc/sa-learn.html I'm still looking for an easy-way to let my mortal users to train our antispam. I was thinking a mailbox such as h...@antispamserver and s...@antispamserver to let users to forward their false

Spam auto-learning by message resending

2006-05-11 Thread Jerome Delamarche
Hi, I'm configuring SA and I'm looking for an easy way for the end users to improve their own Bayesian filters. Users do not have interactive account on the Linux servers. They cannot use sa-learn or any other Linux tools. It could be fine if they could automatically resend to their own mailbox

Re: Spam auto-learning by message resending

2006-05-11 Thread Stuart Johnston
Jerome Delamarche wrote: Hi, I'm configuring SA and I'm looking for an easy way for the end users to improve their own Bayesian filters. Users do not have interactive account on the Linux servers. They cannot use sa-learn or any other Linux tools. It could be fine if they could automatically

Re: Spam auto-learning by message resending

2006-05-11 Thread Stuart Johnston
Jerome Delamarche wrote: Hi, I'm configuring SA and I'm looking for an easy way for the end users to improve their own Bayesian filters. Users do not have interactive account on the Linux servers. They cannot use sa-learn or any other Linux tools. It could be fine if they could automatically

Ham not auto-learning?

2005-08-19 Thread Matthew Yette
Running the sa-stats.pl version 0.9 that produces a chart with stats on what rules are hit for spam and ham most frequently, I notice that of all 13,411 autolearns performed, every one of them was for spam. Ham has 0 messages autolearned. Wouldn't, for example, a message that comes in and has been

Re: Ham not auto-learning?

2005-08-19 Thread Craig McLean
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Yette wrote: | Running the sa-stats.pl version 0.9 that produces a chart with stats on | what rules are hit for spam and ham most frequently, I notice that of | all 13,411 autolearns performed, every one of them was for spam. Ham has | 0

Re: Ham not auto-learning?

2005-08-19 Thread Steve Martin
I'm going to guess that whitelist isn't taken into consideration. -12 for autolearning of ham is pretty extreme, I'm not surprised you aren't seeing any autolearning. The default is .1 On Aug 19, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Matthew Yette wrote: Running the sa-stats.pl version 0.9 that produces a

RE: Ham not auto-learning?

2005-08-19 Thread Matthew Yette
: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ham not auto-learning? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Yette wrote: | Running the sa-stats.pl version 0.9 that produces a chart with stats | on what rules are hit for spam and ham most frequently, I notice that | of all 13,411

Re: Testing Bayes (auto)-learning

2005-03-19 Thread Greg Abbas
Paul Boven p.boven at chello.nl writes: Yes, they're forwarding the messages as attachements, and yes, I'm stripping them out of the message/rfc822 attachements before feeding them to Bayes. And in all the tests I've done so far this seems to work, but now that we've upgraded to SA3.0.2 I

Re: Testing Bayes (auto)-learning

2005-03-19 Thread Matt Kettler
Greg Abbas wrote: Paul Boven p.boven at chello.nl writes: Yes, they're forwarding the messages as attachements, and yes, I'm stripping them out of the message/rfc822 attachements before feeding them to Bayes. And in all the tests I've done so far this seems to work, but now that we've

Testing Bayes (auto)-learning

2005-03-17 Thread Paul Boven
Hi everyone, There seem to be some learning-problems with our Bayes database which I'm trying to track down. Given a particular spam-message that got auto-trained as ham, then re-trained as spam, I would like to be able to do the following: 1.) Make sure whether it's in the Bayes database or

Re: Testing Bayes (auto)-learning

2005-03-17 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Paul Boven wrote: My problem is that I have end-users that are basically claiming 'the more I send to the relearn-address, the lower the Bayes score seems to be getting.' The included headers seem to support that claim, so I really want to dig a bit deeper into the whole setup. That there

Is auto-learning working?

2005-03-08 Thread Michel . PETIT
Hi, I'm new to spamassassin. I installed it on a Solaris 9 system, and it works fine. But there is a thing I don't understand, I configured the auto-learning, but when I run spamd it doesn't create the bayes_* files. If I run sa-learn, then the files are created. How can I know if auto-learning

Potential new auto-learning strategy

2005-03-02 Thread Gray, Richard
I saw an article a while back about some DJs who were using perl as a mixing tool by writing perl code that edited itself while it ran in a loop. I thought this was kind of cool. I studied AI at university, and remember a good bit of discussion regarding feedback systems. So, to combine

RE: Potential new auto-learning strategy

2005-03-02 Thread Chris Santerre
@spamassassin.apache.orgSubject: Potential new auto-learning strategy I saw an article a while back about some DJs who were using perl as a mixing tool by writing perl code that edited itself while it ran in a loop. I thought this was kind of cool. I studied AI at university, and remember a good

RE: Potential new auto-learning strategy

2005-03-02 Thread Gray, Richard
day :( ). If there are other people keen on doing this then maybe we can get a collaboration going. R From: Chris Santerre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 March 2005 15:16To: Gray, Richard; users@spamassassin.apache.orgSubject: RE: Potential new auto-learning strategy There has been

RE: Auto learning

2005-02-22 Thread Paul J. Smith
Message- From: Richard Ozer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2005 21:58 To: Paul J. Smith Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Auto learning I had a similar issue and noticed that my bayes database files did not have the proper owner or permissions. That prevented auto

RE: Auto learning

2005-02-22 Thread Paul J. Smith
. From: Andy Jezierski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2005 15:19 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: Auto learning Paul J. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/22/2005 01:41:28 AM

RE: Auto learning

2005-02-22 Thread Paul J. Smith
the help! -Original Message- From: Richard Ozer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 February 2005 15:19 To: Paul J. Smith Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Auto learning Can you post your local.cf? Paul J. Smith wrote: Still nothing. I set the owner on the bayes

Auto learning

2005-02-21 Thread Paul J. Smith
Still setting up spamassassin. I've got it running and auto learning is enabled. It's been running all yesterday and over night. I can see it has tried to auto learn a lot of ham/spam and I've fed it a load of spam as well. Bayes doesn't seem to have kicked in though and if I do a sa-learn

Re: Auto learning

2005-02-21 Thread Richard Ozer
I had a similar issue and noticed that my bayes database files did not have the proper owner or permissions. That prevented auto learning from functioning. RO Paul J. Smith wrote: Still setting up spamassassin. I've got it running and auto learning is enabled. It's been running all yesterday

RE: Auto learning

2005-02-21 Thread Paul J. Smith
@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Auto learning I had a similar issue and noticed that my bayes database files did not have the proper owner or permissions. That prevented auto learning from functioning. RO Paul J. Smith wrote: Still setting up spamassassin. I've got it running and auto learning

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