Thanks for your considerable and valuable effort on these important
matters Mike.
One thing, though. You wrote:
"Because of Magnify's current position on advertising we are
considering the possibility of making the default position for
Magnify "opt-out" rather than opt-in ... Content crea
Are we seriously okay with opt-out? A thousand aggregators take your
material and use it however they want. Does anyone have the time to
sift the net and sift those sites to ensure your material is being
used as you have licensed it to be used? A CC, non-commercial
license means you have to
I guess this depends on exactly what we mean by opt-out. Clearly the
rages against various sites shows that being asked to opt-out of
something we may not even know exists, is no good.
But most of the recent opt-out stuff, has been related to blip.tv.
This is different because it only applies to p
Thanks for your thoughts Steve. Your faith in blip is understandable
and I share it: they've been remarkably good brokers and advocates
for this community. As I hope I communicated, my concerns are not
about blip. Quite the contrary, I think they're doing everything
they can to empower us.
It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business
diplomacy from Mike.
I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and morality of the
issue, "opt out" simply empowers the illegal and immoral actions of
these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content. They want
and ta
Cheers, though I feel we are ever so slightly talking at
cross-purposes and misunderstanding eachother on a couple of details,
but not the main issues.
Im basically saying that although it seems straightforward, the term
'non-commercial' is subject to interpretation. Im not saying that
creative c
the terms "opt-in" and
> "opt-out" and their particular meanings within the e-mail marketing
> context, check out this excellent resource:
> http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=825751
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
> > -Original Message-
> &
discussion of the issue which may put pressure on people and
> force their hands.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of johnleeke
> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007
his, and my view is that in these cases "opt-out" is
> appropriate, both because there's relatively little to object to and
> because the upside is significant.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videoblogging@yahoogro
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is the value ads that must be opt in. I.E. if myheavy or magnify
> want to put ads on your content that should be opt in.
>
> Peace,
>
> -Mike
> mefeedia.com
> mmeiser.com/blog
+1. If the TTL of the options we
xpect when someone uses ouir videos.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:09
> To:
> Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators
in general
>
> The prob
Hello Mike,
Thanks for all your good work, and this arrangement sounds reasonable
and appropriate. You definitely where a white hat.
Now, maybe you can help me with some Hollywood business.
All the best
Daniel McVicar
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Im not sure Id agree that a sense of victimization or righteous anger
are the primary driving forces behind such things, but they are in the
mix somewhere when it comes to reactions of music etc industry. Ive
yet to see it from any vlogger in response to creative re-use of an
element of their work,
I don't see a problem with this course. Thanks for the hard work
you're putting into this, Mike.
-- Enric
-==-
http://www.cirne.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I just wanted to give everyone an update on where we st
Steve's and Roxanne's posts above are right on. We are, in fact
discussing a number of issues and, frankly, I think the reasonable
person can find a fair course through the complex. I think we're
doing that -- as Roxanne suggests -- by having these discussions
here. Lucas, I do not want to stif
Lucas, I did not, nor did anyone participating in this discussion
make the argument that a third party's profit is necessarily someone
else's loss. No one said any such thing. What many people are
saying is that they don't want others, with most of the emphasis on
corporations, profiting from
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Lucas Gonze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Copyright gives you different powers over taking, displaying, and
> profiting. It gives you great power over redistribution. In the case
> of displaying via an embed it gives you very little power (though over
> aspe
that's a good question.and it seems when you have asked it in the
past the Apple folks are very quiet..I know I have the Creatvie
Zen M and I get my content though Zencast and it is software I
download but they provide link backs so it's not a matter of not
being able to..very good
Does iTunes aggregate?
I believe the last time this came up, the response was that people in
the iTunes podcast directory ASKED to be in it. In fact, I had to
_apply_ and then wait three days before my podacast was 'approved'.
This is different from someone grabbing your feed and acting like you
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Bill had a good point. iTunes *directory* is opt in. Most of us did it
> by default when setting up our feedburner feeds. I don't recall ever
> agreeing to any terms of service with apple though that compromised my
> god given right
I admit to using it to watch video. Its not the best experience but I
am not totally satisfied with the other video aggregating apps either,
and as I often have itunes open to listen to music, it seemed convenient.
I can certainly appreciate the anger about their non-inclusion of the
accompanying
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 1/30/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about your feedburner point, but I'll take your word for
> > it. The only reasons I got involved with feedburner was to format my
> > feed to
I know what you mean, and its logical on one level. But on the
otherhand Im sure there is rather a lot of material that is
copyrighted, being distributed via RSS and other methods.
For example if I download a podcast from the BBC, its still
copyrighted by the BBC. They have chosen how the distribu
groups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
> It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn
> business diplomacy from Mike.
>
> I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and
> morality of the issue, "
l?page=825751
Yours,
Mike
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:38 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify an
this
until I know about him.
Yours,
Mike
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:53 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and M
ECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:02 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
> I think part of the confusion was because you accidentally
> used the terms th
, January 27, 2007 7:48 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
> Are we seriously okay with opt-out? A thousand aggregators
> take your material and use it however they want. Does anyone
> ha
t to and
> because the upside is significant.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of David
> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:48 AM
> >
ple and
> > force their hands.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of johnleeke
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2
The web space could not exist with opt out.
The search space fundamentally would not exist if it were opt out.
Our job is not to figure out the best standards for opt-in... indeed
there need be no standard on opt-in at all...
Our job is to figure out the minimum standards for opt in, so this
spa
12:02:34
To:
Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
I don't want to apply opt-out to an aggregator unless they agree to
abide by this community's definition of best practices and actually do
so. Under these circumstances, and these circumstances alone,
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:57:09
To:
Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general
The problem that we have right now is that in some ways we're playing a
game of whack-a-mole. As sites like Veoh, MyHeavy and Magnify come to
our attention we have approach
: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Dedman
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:03 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
>
> Since we're using
On 1/27/07, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even accepting reality for what it is, however, there are
> many good reasons to continue to push for our rights as creators to
> be sacrosanct.
The problem is that videobloggers are going down the same hopelessly
unrealistic and ultimately disastrous
There are separate issues here.
1) is the CC license - and yes people want attribution. It's a fairly
common human trait and in itself does not stifle creativity. And of
course, all of this creativity comes from "somewhere" - it is my big
picture belief that from way out there it all belongs to al
I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out there on the
topic, or can we have a conversation.
Cheers,
Ron Watson
Pawsitive Vybe
11659 Berrigan Ave
Cedar Springs, MI 49319
http://pawsitivevybe.com
Personal Contact:
616.802.8923
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the Web:
http://pawsitivevybe.com
ht
deoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
> I was just thinking of micro-payments. An
> The problem is that videobloggers are going down the same hopelessly
> unrealistic and ultimately disastrous path as the record labels and
> movie companies.
That's quite a statement. One that I think is entirely wrong.
I have no problem with you aggregating my video. Even if your site
has go
> To try to shame those of us
> standing up for our rights by calling us victims is to miss the
> point. Corporations, especially when they have capital, have
> advantages that tilt the playing field in their favor and make it
> easy for them to take advantage of our small independent operator
> s
On 1/27/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Im not sure Id agree that a sense of victimization or righteous anger
> are the primary driving forces behind such things, but they are in the
> mix somewhere when it comes to reactions of music etc industry.
When somebody makes the argument
On 1/28/07, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the reasonable
> person can find a fair course through the complex. I think we're
> doing that -- as Roxanne suggests -- by having these discussions
> here.
So here's the fair course that I see -- there should be clear and
unambiguous agreemen
http://blip.tv/file/139457/
...let's continue this conversation with moving pictures.
> Let's say you argue that aggregated creators deserve a share of the
> profits of an aggregator. That doesn't follow from economics. The
> economic point of view is that investors in the aggregator, its
> owners, are the ones who deserve a share of the profits, because they
> also stood to lose mo
>
> You're conceiving of this from the opposite angle, saying that the
> little guy should get the benefit of the doubt; I'm arguing that
> whenever that's the situation it is the little guy who gets shut out.
> If you want an environment that is fair to the little guy, you can
> only have it by ma
Your 'nothing lost, nothing gained' argument is an interesting injection
here but i do feel it is besides the point of the issue that matters most
within this discussion... which is about those who are the owners of
intellectual/creative property that are licensed and made available
non-commerciall
On 1/28/07, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there is a big difference from playing a ditty at a wedding
> and selling CDs by the truckload. They are not like at all. Of course
> they were wrong to argue that.
Under the law there is no difference between playing a ditty
at a wedding and sel
I don't see how we're asking for expansive rights by not allowing
corporations to take our work in its entirety, display it and profit
from it with no attribution or direct linkage. I don't see how
seeking permission and or compensation for usage of our work is
somehow a giant leap.
There'
uot;
strategy, like other partners.
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:48 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnif
On 1/28/07, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't see how we're asking for expansive rights by not allowing
> corporations to take our work in its entirety, display it and profit
> from it with no attribution or direct linkage. I don't see how
> seeking permission and or compensation for
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Gonze
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:59 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> a
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Gonze
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:51 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:28 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
> Lucas, I did not, nor did anyone participating in this
> discussion make the argument that a third party's prof
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:28 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> aggregators in general
>
> Your 'nothing lost, nothing gained' argument is an
> interesting injection here but i do feel it is beside
What still suprises me is that people get so mad at myheavy and all
these others and yet the biggest offender of them all is itunes with
their iTunes.
They're using 10's of thousands of vloggers and podcasters to build
traffic in their marketplace to sell mainstream media, and more ipods
and macs,
ware, Y! Video is not) is different.
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Meiser
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:03 AM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeav
lf Of Mike Meiser
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:03 AM
> > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> > aggregators in general
> >
> > What still suprises me is that people get so mad at myheavy
> &
ogroups.com
> > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of sull
> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:28 PM
> > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
> > aggregators in general
> >
>
I am often disgusted by Apple...
Is there even once example of Apple implementing user feedback?
Maybe, but from my view, they ignore outside feedback especially when it
comes to this grass roots media revolution that has been ongoing for 3-4
years.
It can be argued that iTunes isnt the same a
BTW, iTunes UI sucks so bad for video because it was made for playing mp3's,
non-visual media. On the other hand give me video aggregation in iPhoto and
I'd be in seventh heaven. iPhoto is made for visual media. iTunes needs
less lists, more thumbnails and more play in place video. iRonically iPho
Apple has a link to our website on our podcast page at the iTunes
Store and we get lots of traffic from them. If it wasn't for Apple
we wouldn't have the advertisers that we have today. We also have
lots of comments on our Apple page from people who love us and hate
us. So there is a plac
Here here, Tim.
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:43 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magni
>
> Apple has a link to our website on our podcast page at the iTunes
> Store
apparently they are. last i checked i didnt see linkbacks. has this been
the case for a while now?
i dont use itunes much so I was taking mike meiser's word for it. good to
know :)
On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
On 1/28/07, Lucas Gonze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/27/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Im not sure Id agree that a sense of victimization or righteous anger
> > are the primary driving forces behind such things, but they are in the
> > mix somewhere when it comes to reactions
On 1/30/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't know about your feedburner point, but I'll take your word for
> it. The only reasons I got involved with feedburner was to format my
> feed to go to iTunes and for (24-hour after the fact) stats.
>
> That's a great point you have abou
eal live independant artist. I know just where to
start too! Whole Wheat Radio, My favorite podcast EVAR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Wheat_Radio
Peace out,
-Mike
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
On 1/29/07, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Apple has a link to our website on our podcast page at the iTunes
> > Store
>
>
> apparently they are. last i checked i didnt see linkbacks. has this been
> the case for a while now?
> i dont use itunes much so I was taking mike meiser's word f
On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Apple has a link to our website on our podcast page at the iTunes
> Store and we get lots of traffic from them. If it wasn't for Apple
> we wouldn't have the advertisers that we have today. We also have
> lots of comments on our Apple pag
If you want to make it even easier for people to go to your site and
comment when they watch your film in iTunes, you can add a clickable
link at the end of your Quicktime video, which people in iTunes can
click on to take them directly to your site. Hardly anyone does this
that I've seen
Sorry, Mike, I hadn't read what you'd written - just Steve's reply.
I should have been clearer. There *are* links back to your website
in the fucking interface :-), to allow you to read and comment.
If you click on the top line of each subscribed podcast in the
podcast section, a little ar
On 1/30/07, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you want to make it even easier for people to go to your site and
> comment when they watch your film in iTunes, you can add a clickable
> link at the end of your Quicktime video, which people in iTunes can
> click on to take them directly to your
On 1/30/07, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, Mike, I hadn't read what you'd written - just Steve's reply.
> I should have been clearer. There *are* links back to your website
> in the fucking interface :-), to allow you to read and comment.
btw... sorry for using the f*ck word... was la
Yeah - you're totally right, of course.
On 31 Jan 2007, at 09:09, Mike Meiser wrote:
Clearly every other webservice and aggregator has all sorts of
mechanisms for interoperability... itunes is VERY closed. Just want
people to relize that. I mean if we can't get permalinks back to your
site then h
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