Nelson Ford wrote:
The reason I brought this up was not because I had been seeing a lot
of that talk on this list, but more on some forums on the internet
where a standards beginner asks a question and someone pipes up: Just
change the DTD and we can all validate! [insert south park smile
Ben if this thread is on topic why is the discussions being moved to
another forum?
Chris
On 30/04/2004, at 9:58 AM, Ben Bishop wrote:
Nelson Ford wrote:
I've seen more and more of this fiddling with DTD's lately, and I'm
not sure it is a wise thing for us to be going off the standard in
order
I still think that SVG is worth investigating though will be a steep
learning curve.
While I have not had time yet to do anything with SVG I have played around
with it's Mutant Cousin (VML - Microsoft IE only).
I have built some core objects in Javascript that give me a CANVAS and
an OBJECT.
I thought this would be simple but it's making me feel a bit useless!
I'm simply trying to align two DIVs horizontally for the Search form :
http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/test.html
http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/domainname.css
The div with submit button (green border) always gets stacked
I've tried floating them both left, both right, one left/one right, and in all cases
the right div drops down a line.
-Original Message-
From: Hill, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Aligning two DIVs
Mordechai Peller wrote:
... But
shouldn't the list software be able to filter them out? If not, it should.
I've Google'd very quickly and found a solution to blocking read
receipts. It involves modifying the headers to strip out to fields.
Hopefully people here don't have a problem with a
Will,
Your new site looks fine to me. My only constructive comment is that
you should rethink your 'ahem' comments - as search engine spiders are
effectively text based browsers.
Telling Googlebot etc Our site should still be completely usable to
you, it just won't look as good as it could
Chris wrote:
Ben if this thread is on topic why is the discussions being moved to
another forum?
This topic has the potential to be beneficial to the list. Currently,
the discussion is spurious. Until it moves beyond personal opinion and
misinformation, it probably shouldn't burden list
Chris Dimmock wrote:
Your new site looks fine to me. My only constructive comment is that
you should rethink your 'ahem' comments - as search engine spiders are
effectively text based browsers.
I personally wouldn't include this kind of message, but if I were going to, I'd put
the message in an
I thought this would be simple but it's making me feel a bit useless!
I'm simply trying to align two DIVs horizontally for the Search form :
http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/test.html
http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/domainname.css
The div with submit button (green border) always gets stacked
Miles Tillinger wrote:
How well does the solution degrade for older browser and screen
readers? I'm trying to come up with a topic mapping solution that
degrades nicely. It's to replace an existing Flash-based topic
structure, however solutions seem to be just as inaccessible as Flash
anyway?
Peter Firminger wrote:
I still think that SVG is worth investigating though will be a steep
learning curve.
This one is pretty impressive, especially the relationships.
http://www.w3.org/2003/02/W3COrg.svg
SVG is just too damn hard too. There are two simple realities with the
state of SVG today:
I'm trying to convert an image and table based navigation to a styled text list. I
have it looking exactly the way I want in Firefox, but IE6 is refusing to display the
bottom-border on the list item and the anchor within it (I'm using both to create a
particular effect).
The page with both
Hello everybody!
I'm working on redesign http://mera.com.ru/ now, so I'm looking for
feedback.
The new design model for the cover page is available at
http://mera.com.ru/new/
Css can be found at http://mera.com.ru/new/style/style.css
There is also the problem which I can't solve at this moment
http://www.bhpbilliton.com/bb/home/home.jsp
I'm refering to the right hand boxes. The Subscription Services box is
pushing the div wider, but is there a way to make the div above as
wide...?
Cheers,
Sean
http://reikan.com
+61 3 9419 6745
+61 414 751 225
So where is SVG in regard to Web Standards ?
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/
Besides the current recommendation there is a 1.2 revision currently in
working draft
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG12/.
Are many people using it for anything useful ?
I believe it has been adopted widely in the cartography
Geoff
Given that, from what I've seen of SVG, it's markup based - so I'm
assuming that one could apply some XSLT to it and create a plain text
version of it for those who can't navigate a SWF.
The same thing could be done with Flash if you were to pull the data
from an external data source -
Its now lined up ok and I increased the size of the submit image to fill the space.
Looks ok in IE as well, until I stuff something else further down the page...
Thanks Tim and Lachlan for the advice :)
Miles.
-Original Message-
From: Lachlan Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
It might be difficult and ultimately an unwieldy waste of effort, however charts
aren't really a picture. The objects are visually simple being either boxes or lines.
I guess that's why I'm trying to style HTML generated from XML topic maps and XSLT,
but the output gets so complicated that
I've found a few references to mystery whitespace in IE but they're all related to
space above and below elements. I've got mystery whitespace on the left of an element.
In exhibit A in IE, the image (blue border) has a 3px gap on the left between it and
the paragraph (red border).
Firefox has
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I've been working on this one since November (Russ, you may remember being incredibly helpful to me on the homepage code - thanks mate). Eventually a
Hey!
I´m not amused this navigation is just (!) working in ie, nothing else can open and
close, AND in opera 7.50 beta 1 it is simply NOT working...
Hi everyone...
in dire straits here...
I am desperately looking for an exploding/folding tree menu that remembers the last
state of the menu
Hey Scott
The doctype that you are using:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
doesn't contain the elements that you are using in your code:
window
titlebarmycontent/titlebar
contentmycontent/content
/window
...so your
I believe there is an Atom feed that you might find more useful. Most
blog readers should handle it.
http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/atom.xml
Cheers
Mark
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Hi,
today I'm thinking about the future of iframes.
Everybody knows, that iframes are deprecated in XHTML 1.0 Strict and thus no more part
in future XHTML releases.
I tried to use the object tag instead of an iframe:
object data=iLinks.html type=text/html
pYour browser doesn't support
There is some pretty nice code available at
http://www.qld.gov.au/web/cue/template/implementations.html that
sounds close to what you want. It doesn't remember last state but it
does generate some very nice tight simple markup, works across a
range of browers and degrades well in the absences of
Hey Peter
I haven't checked it out in depth, but I just wanted to say that from
the quick glance I had, it looks stunning the code is pretty sharp
to boot.
Big congratulations!
Cheers
Mark
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G'day
It really works fine in Firefox, but not in IE 5+ (Windows). IE is
always showing a border around the object tag. I can't hide the
border via CSS even not with the deprecated attribute border=0.
Does someone have a solution or workaround for this problem?
I had this same problem
Paul Ingraham wrote:
Just one problem. The top of the sidebar is always on the same line as the
adjacent paragraph. I'd rather have this:
main content main content main content
main content main content main content
main content main sidebar sidebar sidebar sidebar
main content main
G'day again
OK. Thanks for that hint. I tried it and discovered that
style=border:none on the body tag only works, if there's
no doctype in the document I load.
http://test.bwdzine.com/object.html shows no borders on the embedded file in
MSIE6 on Windows 2000 (at least, not on my setup).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Ingraham
http://www.vancouvermassage.ca/screenshot2.jpg
How the devil can I push the top edge downwards AND have the document
content flow above as well as beside it...? It's so easy with an img!
Paul
Hi Geoff,
I still think that SVG is worth investigating though will be a steep
learning curve.
This one is pretty impressive, especially the relationships.
http://www.w3.org/2003/02/W3COrg.svg
P
Deb,
That looks pretty cool. Is it dynamically or manually built? We've
been working on
There are some great examples here:
http://www.gazingus.org/
esp. the drop down menu
Gav
Jackie Reid wrote:
Hi everyone...
in dire straits here...
I am desperately looking for an exploding/folding tree menu that
remembers the last state of the menu when you refresh or go back to a
page.
Hi all,
I'm using a template found here:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical13.htm as the basis for
navigation for my site, but I want to understand how it works. I'm
curious about the following rule: #navcontainerul#navlist li a { width:
auto; } What does the do here? is it
Thanks for detailed comments, Kristof. Just so you know, I never intended
to bash my way to a solution with an img of a sidebar. I see the trouble
with that.
You could argue it's ugly...
I do. Or just ineffective, actually. A sidebar should appear to be out of
the flow of the main content of
Barb,
That is actually a child selector:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_child.htm
Also worth reading is the document tree and how the child selector works:
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/document_tree.htm
Peter Firminger wrote:
Turn off read receipt requests when
posting to this list! These horribly invasive things are worse than
spam and I get most of them returned to me being the list
administrator!
For personal and business emails I see nothing wrong with them; they
Hi again,
I'm trying to figure out why IE 6 in XP is messing up my left hand
navigation layout on this page: www.pcc.com/benchmark/
Seems to work fine in all other browsers, but in IE6 I get spaces
between the 'buttons' that are not supposed to be there.
Ideas, anyone?
Thanks,
Barb
--
Barbara
This is probably just IE6 and its treatment of whitespace and carriage
returns. I haven't got time to look in detail now but two quick solutions to
try:
1. run the entire list and all its contents as a single line of code with no
whitespace - should immediately fix the bug.
2. create a new rule
Barb,
Make them block level elements with --
display: block; in your CSS.
Mike Pepper
http://seowebsitepromotion.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Barbara Dozetos
Sent: 29 April 2004 16:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] IE 6
Holy Cow! it worked. Now, can someone tell me why that works? Doesn't
this entirely defeat the purpose of end tags? I thought spaces were
ignored.
marco della pina wrote:
Try to write your unsorted list in one single line:
ul class=navlistlia href=revpervisit.htmlRevenue Per
Visit/a/lilia
Good morning everyone,
I hail from Dallas, Texas and I have a rather perplexing problem
pertaining to drop down menus.
I design in 1024 X 768, and although I view my designs using different
screen resolutions and browsers, I can't seem to figure a way to prevent
my menus from shifting in screen
Now, can someone tell me why that
works? Doesn't
this entirely defeat the purpose of end tags? I thought spaces were
ignored.
Simple answer: IE is a buggy browser. It tries, it's better than previous
versions, but it's still plagued with annoying problems like this one.
Yes, in theory
Hi all,
This should not be off-topic...
I've seen more and more of this fiddling with DTD's lately, and I'm not
sure it is a wise thing for us to be going off the standard in order to
bring back the target attribute --or any other attribute really... if
we open that can of worms then we can all
Before I launch our new, standards-compliant web site, I would like to get
some feedback from the folks on this list. (Because you guys rock ;) )
I was hired a couple of months ago to remake our current site:
http://www.ingles-markets.com . This site is a prime example of 1990's era
coding.
Chatham, Will wrote:
The new site is here: http://www.ingles-markets.com/~will
I am interested in comments about the look/layout/code/usability, etc.
Hello,
your Site looks good to me. One thing I would change is the message at
the top of the page. It may be confusing for people using screen
your Site looks good to me. One thing I would change is the message at
the top of the page. It may be confusing for people using screen readers
or other assistive technologies. I would replace the text with a Skip
to content link (or similar).
Tony, can you explain that a little bit more? I
Paul Ingraham wrote:
your Site looks good to me. One thing I would change is the message at
the top of the page. It may be confusing for people using screen readers
or other assistive technologies. I would replace the text with a Skip
to content link (or similar).
Tony, can you explain that a
What message?
Visually the site communicates well ... a long way from the static, almost
stock-exchange original.
Well done.
Internally the code looks tight and well-structured ... with a DocType
header.
You've obviously given some thought to accessibility as well.
Nice one, Paul.
Mike
Tony, can you explain that a little bit more? I understand
your point about the old browser message causing confusion
for people using screen readers etc, and it's a good one, but
why replace the text with Skip to content? I must be
missing something. I can't see how that communicates
Paul Ingraham wrote:
...but to my knowledge you can't reach your
wish without putting the sidebar in the middle of your content.
Actually, I can't even reach it by doing that! I haven't figured out ANY
way of doing it, acceptable or otherwise. So maybe my questions wasn't so
simple question,
Hi Will,
This has been discussed a few times on this list. Generally the feeling is
that the upgrade message has past its use-by date by a fair while now. More
here:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/archive.cfm?uid=3D9FABE7-0458-48F4-623B8
948682690E4
And here:
Nelson Ford wrote:
I've seen more and more of this fiddling with DTD's lately, and I'm
not sure it is a wise thing for us to be going off the standard...
This is and idea I've been toying with recently, and I wasn't even sure
if browsers actually read the DTD to allow this to work. I should add
I think if you know that your user base has a fairly large percentage of
people on older browsers that would immediately see the effects of
switching to standards-based design (not seeing the CSS and seeing a
plain page instead), then it makes sense to offer than an explanation
why you did
Hi Mike,
Looks very attractive and easy to navigate. Viewed on dialup - very fast
loading! Just a couple of suggestions (have to earn my fee :=):
1) Steps to ordering cakes and cookies online could be fewer? Seemed
tedious to select state, wait for the next page to load and then select
city. I
The reason I brought this up was not because I had been seeing a lot
of that talk on this list, but more on some forums on the internet
where a standards beginner asks a question and someone pipes up: Just
change the DTD and we can all validate! [insert south park smile
here]... which I find
Nelson Ford wrote:
I've seen more and more of this fiddling with DTD's lately, and I'm
not sure it is a wise thing for us to be going off the standard in
order to bring back the target attribute
I completely agree that bringing back deprecated functionality isn't
an ideal solution. W3C have
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