Re: [Gendergap] outreach and trianing resources...was... On Women's History Month

2012-02-01 Thread Carol Moore DC
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Karen Sue Rolph karenro...@hotmail.com mailto:karenro...@hotmail.com wrote: I would make a go of this in the San Francisco Bay Area if we could get some traction going. I'll check in with a couple groups I know of, and see where they stand. Do we

Re: [Gendergap] Statistics about gender gap

2012-02-03 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 2/2/2012 3:03 AM, Caroline Becker wrote: Don't be depress Sarah if female participation remains low. Even if Wikipedia was a perfect place without any bias, it would still be a project from the real world were lot of forces prevent women from editing : lower confidence in themselves, less

Re: [Gendergap] Outreach email...Women's History Month action plan wiki

2012-02-04 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 2/4/2012 4:16 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: If you'd like to participate or develop an event, please visit the on English Wikipedia (translations encouraged!) Women's History Month page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen%27s_History_Month At least once a week I feel l guilty for

Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women

2012-02-11 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 2/11/2012 12:35 PM, Risker wrote: I do think the inclusion of the word notable is important here. The lists aren't just of women, they're of women who are notable enough to qualify for a Wikipedia article - which is a pretty low bar, as anyone who's ever tried to get some mess

[Gendergap] Help beef up Workshop_for_Women_in_Wikipedia

2012-03-08 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop_for_Women_in_Wikipedia After communicating with the originators of the page, I restructured it to be the Womens/Gender Gap part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop (which is also a great self-teaching resources with links to other

[Gendergap] Anyone submitting to Wikimania 2012?

2012-03-08 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions I assume Sue Gardner will be organizing something. Just a reminder if people have their own ideas as well. Cm in Dc ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

[Gendergap] Vote for your favorite women oriented wikimania panel

2012-03-16 Thread Carol Moore DC
https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=womenbutton=title=Special%3ASearch This search shows which ones are about women. You can sign up to approve at the bottom. (You should be able to sign in with your wikipedia user name.) The deadline for submissions is Sunday, March 18 at

[Gendergap] Better links for Gender at Wikimania and other stuff of interest

2012-03-16 Thread Carol Moore DC
More workshops for women and everyone else can be found through either the complete list here https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_submissions (includes subcategories by topic and type) Also of interest to women in general: Search: Newbie in list above and see if you

Re: [Gendergap] Thoughts on training and gender and training generally

2012-04-04 Thread Carol Moore DC
I was wondering if there is a web page I can link to with your comments for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop_for_Women I can link to the newsletter but it only mentions the workshop was all women. Thanks. PS Love the Roo and other photos! On 4/4/2012 10:58 AM, Sarah Stierch

Re: [Gendergap] World Naked Gardening Day

2012-04-07 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote: welcome to censorpedia we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression than we told the critics idiots The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical

Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-04-27 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 4/27/2012 3:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I could have a go again, Carol. :) Gay porn is underrepresented in these articles. Andreas So if I was too implicit in my statement. As Andreas surmised, I meant re-do that photo to make it male on male. Or do a second one that's male on male. Go

[Gendergap] sounds like a fun project... Re: Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia

2012-05-02 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 5/2/2012 3:40 AM, Caroline Becker wrote: Working harder to have awesome pictures of artworks with naked men ? Caroline I did the bio of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Feinstein_%28sculptor%29 as part of a GLAM event. Her husband does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Currin does a

[Gendergap] Porn Bio RfC

2012-05-07 Thread Carol Moore DC
For those who enjoy debating various angles of this topic. Controlling myself personally... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28people%29#rfc_3EDB4AE ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

[Gendergap] Permanently banning War on Women from Wikipedia

2012-05-07 Thread Carol Moore DC
This article has problems I've mention on the talk page and WP:Wikiproject feminism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women It's up for second deletion and proposals it be permanently banned. FYI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/War_on_Women_%282nd_nomination%29

Re: [Gendergap] Article for deletion Fanny Imlay

2012-05-15 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 5/15/2012 12:47 PM, Nathan wrote: It was a tactical deletion request. I find that to be a pretty silly maneuver, personally, particularly as the nominators never do a very good job as devil's advocate. If jbmurray didn't think the article should be deleted, he should not have wasted his own

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-06-02 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 6/2/2012 12:15 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: I think the point is taken. I really have no desire to think about these things, especially every time I read this mailing list these days. -Sarah Really. My idea is, let the foundation use it's best judgement. I'm sure it will err on the liberal

Re: [Gendergap] Kill thread dead - Re: Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-06-03 Thread Carol Moore DC
Sounds good... go for it... On 6/3/2012 12:50 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Hi everyone, I think we're on the Beating a dead horse again situation with this subject.[1] We will be going in circles about it - most of us seem to not care as much as others, and no one seems to be taking any direct

Re: [Gendergap] So what have you been working on lately article wise as a woman or about women?

2012-06-05 Thread Carol Moore DC
One thing people can do is get on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts List for articles being deleted, RfC'd etc. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 6/18/2012 9:29 AM, Nathan wrote: Seems like another 1E candidate. The over-emphasis on the controversy at the end of her career can be addressed by wiping out most of the detail, or by removing the article entirely (since the notability argument is somewhat fragile, and all the references

Re: [Gendergap] Surplus women and World War I

2012-06-20 Thread Carol Moore DC
One comment on your draft, is that the langugage makes it a bit unclear for the average reader if/that the imbalance in England was because the males left the country and/or were killed in overseas wars. It's implied but not sufficiently explicit so some people might get confused. Also, the

Re: [Gendergap] WikiWomen's Luncheon photo!

2012-07-18 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 7/18/2012 7:41 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Hi everyone, The photo is up from the WikiWomen's Luncheon. A bit of chaos - but, we're throwing W's for wiki of course =) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiWomen%27s_Lunch,_Wikimania_2012.jpg Thank you Pierre-Selim for taking the photo

Re: [Gendergap] WikiWomen's Luncheon photo!

2012-07-19 Thread Carol Moore DC
I took a few shots during the lunch and while setting up photo which might put on wikicommons when get a chance; not sure if there's anyone who DIDN'T want self photographed so that's an issue. I didn't see a PINK don't photo me tag on anyone the whole event, but I'm sure some people had

[Gendergap] Wikimania Feedback Comment on luncheon

2012-07-25 Thread Carol Moore DC
From http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Feedback#Other_meetups_and_meetings The Women's Luncheon on Saturday was something I was very much looking forward to, but it fell short of my expectations. I was enjoying bonding with the women at my table, asking the speakers about their

Re: [Gendergap] uk chairman banned

2012-08-01 Thread Carol Moore DC
I actually didn't read the first few posts because of the misspelling ;-) But when I read in the telegraph article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7883064/MPs-scandals-covered-up-on-Wikipedia.html *He's used multiple accounts *Very interested in bondage *Can be hostile to other users I

Re: [Gendergap] uk chairman band

2012-08-02 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/2/2012 4:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: You seem to have omitted the bit about how he was subject to a relentless campaign of vicious homophobic abuse. Or, indeed, ArbCom's complete failure to understand the importance of how such abuse and bullying occurs. See

[Gendergap] Proposal to eliminate Wikiquette Assistance....

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Closing_Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance So then where does one go for those constant, insidious low level sexist comments that don't quite make it to WP:Ani level... CM in DC ___

[Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. Watch that page (or the relevant page in your language) and comment from time to time

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. On a fostering friendly atmosphere note; characterising actions as questionable is not very nice. Tom

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/26/2012 5:27 PM, Laura Hale wrote: I would personally be less bothered if it was women criticising women critically and harshly, but when it looks like man after man criticising women and no other female voices in the conversation, that bothers me because of the historical overtones

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-27 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/26/2012 5:33 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: It's probably better to avoid arguments of tone online, even if it's a tone you want to avoid yourself, because it's way too easy to misinterpret without tonal inflection, or other bits of non-verbal body language. You may have misinterpreted the tone

[Gendergap] My apologies

2012-08-30 Thread Carol Moore DC
I hate to use physiological excuses, but...the reason I lost control was I had a bad head cold - plus doing strong coffee on top. So confused mental/emotional states on steroids dominated my writing... I value Wikipedia as a place where I HAVE to be diplomatic, since I do lose my temper like

[Gendergap] Explosion in listings... Re: Category: Female Wikipedians

2012-09-24 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians How did we go from a dozen to 1,700? Some other category got renamed and redirected? Or some bot added everyone who had one of the user boxes in that category?? Looked at a few and didn't see evidence someone manually added them all.

[Gendergap] RfC on civility enforcement

2012-10-07 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Civility_enforcement Again some people want to get rid of all civility enforcement. (The larger RfC came after RfC on the policy talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility#rfc_A3FCF91 ) I haven't opined yet so

Re: [Gendergap] Event: November 4, India : Wikipedia Women Workshop in Mumbai

2012-10-10 Thread Carol Moore DC
Added it to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop_for_Women Have to get back into the workshop head myself. Going to GLAM edit-a-thon Friday at least. On 10/10/2012 1:17 AM, Netha Hussain wrote: Dear all, It gives me pleasure to inform you that the first Wikipedia Women

Re: [Gendergap] Violentacrez and civility

2012-10-13 Thread Carol Moore DC
Speaking of incivility, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Civility_enforcement is still going on... But we need more than words - we need a video. Maybe some of the influentials on board could get something like this going... As I just wrote there: I'm thinking

Re: [Gendergap] Sexism in the online skeptic community

2012-10-24 Thread Carol Moore DC
It's kind of sad she has to start to by making statements that could be calculated to tarnish one group of skeptics; it's as if to say, I can sling insults as good as the next guy, so don't sling them at me, sling them at those other guys. Weird... On 10/24/2012 11:49 PM, Daniel and

Re: [Gendergap] Civility enforcement RfC Questionnaire

2012-10-30 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 10/30/2012 3:10 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: After you finish your questionnaire, don't forget to add... [[Category:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questions]] to the bottom. Otherwise, it will never be seen. Ryan Kaldari Thank you. I have to update mine because to my horror

Re: [Gendergap] Civility enforcement RfC Questionnaire

2012-10-30 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 10/30/2012 5:10 PM, Carol Moore DC wrote: So what am I supposed to do about a guy who curses me in talk page, edit summaries (including for a mistake HE made) and even Dispute resolution?? Go to WP:ANI Via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Incivility#Dealing_with_incivility I

Re: [Gendergap] Do the April Fool's Day jokes on English Wikipedia's front page deter women editors?

2013-01-16 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 1/16/2013 2:23 AM, Risker wrote: Although I think it probably says something about the general mentality of a significant portion of our editorship what was being proposed for April Fool's day - sex, body parts, and swearing. Hmmm. Risker/Anne I stooped to that level and added the one

Re: [Gendergap] Do the April Fool's Day jokes on English Wikipedia's front page deter women editors?

2013-01-17 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 1/17/2013 1:24 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: It took forever to get the actual article [[Circle jerk]] into Wikipedia - a female did it. Now, now, Carol. The record shows

Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch

2013-01-21 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 1/20/2013 7:07 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org wrote: Can you believe Wikipedia Community Fellow and first Smithsonian Wikipedian-in-residence Sarah Stierch didn't have a Wikipedia biography until today?

Re: [Gendergap] My second Wikipedia article: Sarah Stierch

2013-01-28 Thread Carol Moore DC
Looks like we're keeping Sarah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarah_Stierch Decision:Keep Hmmm, was he referring to MY yapping about other stuff? Oh, well ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Gendergap] Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap

2013-05-10 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 5/9/2013 4:35 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Bear in mind though that there is also a half-way house solution, whereby contributors would identify to the Foundation, but remain at liberty to use a pseudonymous user name. Identification might then be a prerequisite for certain community roles

Re: [Gendergap] Long term abuse pages help where relevant...Accidental Troll Policy - beyond gender gap

2013-05-10 Thread Carol Moore DC
OK, points taken below from Oliver Keyes about talking to trolls. But here's what (knock wood) got my well known long term abuse harasser (1000+ nasty and/or threatening emails, hundreds of reverts of edits to me during last 6 months) off my back without going to the cops --which I easily

Re: [Gendergap] can the Commons images thread move?

2013-05-13 Thread Carol Moore DC
I second your proposal. On 5/13/2013 9:36 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2013-May/thread.html shows me that Topless image retention -don't give up has stretched on pretty long, and it seems to me like it might be better suited to onwiki discussion

Re: [Gendergap] Breast cancer related information

2013-05-18 Thread Carol Moore DC
Yes, I kept thinking the doctors who talked her into this are monsters. Then saw another article on that topic and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRCA1#Patents.2C_enforcement.2C_litigation.2C_and_controversy Good place to add a WP:RS on that topic. (And my first mammogram in 6 years came

Re: [Gendergap] Changing the Chelsea Manning article (and how women were shouted down)

2013-08-24 Thread Carol Moore dc
There have been similar problems at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning Obviously there have been a number of comments that are obviously transphobic. However, there also have been repeated false charges of transphobia against those who cite good policy reasons for not changing the

Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Feminism Open Tasks

2013-08-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
Just cleaning up my email I realized I had missed this email about the New School/FemTechNet project. The announcement and links look well within Wiki policy parameters of recruiting more editors interested in a topic and in an area where the Wikimedia Foundation wants more recruits. It's a

Re: [Gendergap] Renewing gender gap conversations on meta

2013-10-21 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 10/21/2013 2:41 AM, Sarah Granger wrote: I could see some women's organizations getting really angry once they understand the problem, and blaming men for sexism, when the problem, as all of us on this list know, is much more complex and not an outright issue like that. It may not be as

Re: [Gendergap] Seeking advice on how to talk to other lists about sex-issue.

2013-10-27 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 10/25/2013 7:35 PM, Risker wrote: It's controversial because there are women who assumed a male role, but were definitely women in their personal life. So your definition there would be to assign them the male gender but the female sex. And I disagreewhat's being assigned there is sex,

[Gendergap] Community or arbitration sanctions regarding women; encouraging complaints about sexism

2013-12-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
For various reasons I've been studying policies on both community and arbitration sanctions and looking at lists of such sanctions here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_sanctions#Active_sanctions Of particular interest is the recent arbitration

Re: [Gendergap] Some attention for Wikimedia Sverige's gendergap project

2014-01-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 1/31/2014 8:21 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Hello, During the last week or so, Wikimedia Sverige's gendergap project https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Kvinnor_p%C3%A5_Wikipedia_2013 has had some media attention. We've had some interest from the media before, mainly before some of

Re: [Gendergap] topless cheesecake on the en.wiki Main Page

2014-05-14 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 5/14/2014 7:05 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Great points Moriel - thanks for contributing to the discussion. When this mailing list was a hot bed of discussion a few years back a number of us tossed around the idea about media projects to tackle systemic bias. Such as photography competitions

Re: [Gendergap] [LGBT] topless cheesecake on the en.wiki Main Page

2014-05-18 Thread Carol Moore dc
an example of topless female cheesecake that IS art and appropriate is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Currin Google.images has lots more. I created the article about his wife artist/sculptor Rachel Feinstein. He's done a lot of these of his wife and maybe they help expand the juvenile

[Gendergap] Wikiproject: Editor Retention discussion on bullying

2014-05-19 Thread Carol Moore dc
Thread: Translating effective methods of dealing with a culture of bullying from other organisations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#Translating_effective_methods_of_dealing_with_a_culture_of_bullying_from_other_organisations Just been too busy with own

Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale

2014-06-22 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/22/2014 7:04 PM, Delphine Ménard wrote: Hello, I found this: http://www.zdnet.com/quoras-misogyny-problem-a-cautionary-tale-730762/ an interesting read. Cheers, Delphine Thanks for this. I wasn't even aware of this site. There goes the theory that making editors register with

Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

2014-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/23/2014 11:45 AM, Kathleen McCook wrote: There is a tendency of men to disregard women's discussion of issues that affect them so, yes, men on a list like this can undermine its purpose. --Kathleen FYI, for those who want to read the early archives, they are linked from the bottom

Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale

2014-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/23/2014 12:56 PM, Katherine Casey wrote: Actually, I think there's something to be said for downvoting. Not in the reddit i disagree sense, but in the slashdot/ meta filter comments downvoted/flagged past a certain point will be hidden/deleted sense. It would obviously take a lot of

Re: [Gendergap] A cautionary tale

2014-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/23/2014 11:26 AM, Risker wrote: I The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no way for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive email this user emails, or pings through the notification system. We know that both have been, and continue to be, vectors for

Re: [Gendergap] Improving on Wikiquette....A cautionary tale

2014-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/23/2014 2:19 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com mailto:datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: * bring back Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance since women may not want to got to WP:ANI for low grade constant nonsense

Re: [Gendergap] Threads on various issues...A cautionary tale

2014-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/23/2014 1:49 PM, Derric Atzrott wrote: Studies are useful. This particular study shows promise I think: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_and_Wikipedia For allies these sorts of things help us understand what we are actually trying to accomplish and metrics are useful

Re: [Gendergap] Wikiproject? ...Threads on various issues

2014-06-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/23/2014 3:17 PM, Derric Atzrott wrote: Maybe it would be worth making threads for some of these ideas. If no one else does, I'd be happy to. *Threads here? Like proposals that could be worked over and brought to our various wikis? That's what we need to do. I re-named one thread

Re: [Gendergap] men on lists

2014-06-25 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/24/2014 4:02 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: If there is a problematic situation that the list moderators have missed (which are currently me, Sue Gardner - who tends to be busy enough to not be an active moderator, and Liz Kent,) I would encourage anyone concerned about it to bring it to our

Re: [Gendergap] Wikiproject? ...Threads on various issues

2014-06-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 6/25/2014 11:50 PM, Sarah wrote: We've got Wikipedia:Gendergap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gendergap that we could do something with, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender bias task force

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
Re: the below, yes, i was blocked in a situation I thought was biased compared to other blocks I've seen. (I didn't mention that originally it was a six month block but the community of mostly guys thought that was grossly unfair and it was reduced to two weeks.) However, in general wikipedia

Re: [Gendergap] Moderation and the future of Gendergap-L

2014-07-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
Actually that wasn't too bad a closing reply, since too often real complaints are just ignored and there is no close. Also, the good news is that *if* someone on wikipedia had linked to that article and said that Sue Gardner is not good like this article says blah blah, there might be some

Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

2014-07-03 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/3/2014 1:40 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: The problem on en.wiki at least is that a vocal minority effectively prevent any enforcement of the civility policy. The other problem is double standard enforcement. A bunch of guys may complain about mild incivility by a female and she'll get

Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)

2014-07-07 Thread Carol Moore dc
While I've barely had a chance to read through proposal and comments, I'd like to just ask re the below which applies generally right now: On 7/7/2014 9:35 AM, Risker wrote: I know what it's like to have my inbox flooded with requests for assistance in relation to dispute resolution - just

Re: [Gendergap] Zoë Wicomb or Clive Cussler?

2014-07-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/22/2014 8:00 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote: I think it's new-ness bias and a related content bias and a popularity bias rather than primarily a gender bias. There's loads of new work published all the time. Lots of it will not merit a Wikipedia article, just as many novels by the male

Re: [Gendergap] Zoë Wicomb or Clive Cussler?

2014-07-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/23/2014 11:56 AM, Carol Moore dc wrote: On 7/22/2014 8:00 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote: I think it's new-ness bias and a related content bias and a popularity bias rather than primarily a gender bias. There's loads of new work published all the time. Lots of it will not merit a Wikipedia

Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons

2014-07-23 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/23/2014 5:10 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Personally, I don't think it's worth having a discussion here about the merits of deleting these images. There's no chance in hell they are going to be deleted from Commons. What I'm more interested in is the locker-room nature of the discussions and

[Gendergap] Gender Gap brouhaha at en.Talk WP:ANI

2014-07-27 Thread Carol Moore dc
It ranges all over the place on various issues. Wikipedia_talk:Administrators'_noticeboard#Where_and_how_to_request_a_Civility_board I'm now trying to use it for a definitive ruling as to whether the Gender Gap task force main page/subpage/essay can list particularly obnoxious examples of

Re: [Gendergap] Gender Gap brouhaha at en.Talk WP:ANI

2014-07-27 Thread Carol Moore dc
some ideas that came up here in the last week. We're still building infrastructure, so come on by! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor

[Gendergap] WikiProject Countering systemic bias/open tasks

2014-07-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
Going through old emails, see I now have info that replies to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/open_tasks On 6/26/2014 11:16 AM, Pharos wrote: I think a version of Marie's idea for an umbrella to help with diversity-related articles might be

Re: [Gendergap] c*nt talk

2014-07-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
FYI. The C word discussion was prompted by the now closed WP:AN discussion mentioned previously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Where_and_how_to_request_a_Civility_board On 7/27/2014 7:51 PM, Kathleen McCook wrote: These words do cause concern..this

Re: [Gendergap] [Spam] Re: Sexualized environment on Commons

2014-07-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/30/2014 5:51 AM, Marie Earley wrote: Things that I think might help: Help pages wise, I'm sure they'd love to see you at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Help I know I wasted a couple years learning the hard way because the Help pages didn't seem intuitive enough.

Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons

2014-07-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/30/2014 11:39 PM, LB wrote: Twice during my short discussion about how to start a civility board, which turned into a long discussion about the word c*nt, an Admin gave the link to the Commons search results for that word, saying that showed that the text of the word isn't very

Re: [Gendergap] Feedback appreciated

2014-07-31 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 7/31/2014 4:32 PM, LB wrote: I would appreciate some feedback on this discussion, please, especially from others who have been stalked in real life, harassed online, or Wikihounded.

[Gendergap] Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist?

2014-08-01 Thread Carol Moore dc
http://freebeacon.com/issues/government-funded-study-why-is-wikipedia-sexist/ Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist? $202,000 to address 'gender bias' in world's biggest online encyclopedia BY: Elizabeth Harrington Coincidentally(?) even as we're trying to get the Task Force more

Re: [Gendergap] Re Government-Funded Study: Why Is Wikipedia Sexist?

2014-08-01 Thread Carol Moore dc
. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: This is amazing. That's a lot of money. Sarah On Aug 1, 2014 6:04 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: http

Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons

2014-08-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 8/2/2014 1:37 AM, Keilana wrote: To briefly go back to what Sarah and Marie have said, I do find that in person hand-holding and social support are the most effective factors in getting women to stick around. I don't know how to translate that from the real-world environment I teach newbies

[Gendergap] Discussion on Jimbo Wales talk page

2014-08-02 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Rebooted_discussion This whole topic is going hot on heave on his talk page, starting with his proposal which I mention in my response on the proposalbelow: What if it was far more limited: /WMF hires mediators to do mediation and to

[Gendergap] Do male editors Man up to take pain of editing?

2014-08-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
Reading through a 2011 post by a woman who quit because she didn't need the grief I was thinking about why guys keep editing despite it. And it occurred to me men are taught to take the pain, pretend it doesn't hurt, man up. In the ongoing discussion of civility on Jimbo Wales talk page I

Re: [Gendergap] Do male editors Man up to take pain of editing?

2014-08-06 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 8/6/2014 2:34 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Reading through a 2011 post by a woman who quit because she didn't need the grief I was thinking about why guys keep editing despite it. And it occurred to me men

Re: [Gendergap] Men's rights v feminists on Wikipedia in Washington Post

2014-08-08 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 8/8/2014 11:28 AM, Tim Davenport wrote: Ironically, all reference to Caitlin Dewey's ''Washington Post'' piece cited by Ms. Stierch has been swept away from the En-WP article [[Gender bias on Wikipedia]] by a tag-team. Tim Davenport /// Carrite Corvallis, OR Similarly there's support

Re: [Gendergap] Sh*tstarting...] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

2014-08-12 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 8/12/2014 1:39 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Cynicism can be a powerful tool. And you aren't the first person to tell a shitstarter like me that ;-) OK, in that vein, first, are we talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help/clickthrough I hate chatting myself so already

Re: [Gendergap] Sh*tstarting...] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

2014-08-12 Thread Carol Moore dc
that ostensibly is for dealing with the problem. On 8/12/2014 2:56 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: On 8/12/2014 1:39 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Cynicism can be a powerful tool. And you aren't the first person to tell a shitstarter like me that ;-) OK, in that vein, first, are we talking about

[Gendergap] Easy thing that would help the en.Wiki Gender Gap Project

2014-08-13 Thread Carol Moore dc
As I've mentioned, the biggest problem we're having now is male attack posts, female complaints about such attacks, generally disruptive/tendentious threads which really are driving off people who join the project, probably look at the page, and quickly leave. I started this thread.

[Gendergap] Huge list of Gender Gap resources

2014-08-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carolmooredc/My_Sandbox_1 It took me a month to put together, including by rereading 2/3 of threads here and grabbing links. The big objection to working to end the gender gap has been that there's no proof it exists/its important/we can change it/etc. I do

Re: [Gendergap] Huge list of Gender Gap resources

2014-08-28 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 8/28/2014 12:18 PM, Amanda Menking wrote: This is /fantastic/, Carol! I've been (very slowly) updating https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. Will you be posting these resources there, too? If not, may I? Best, Amanda I definitely was going to bring most of this material over. Let's

[Gendergap] What is status of Foundation Gender Gap projects and relation to wikimedia Gender Gap project?

2014-08-30 Thread Carol Moore dc
People in the know can answer when it's covenient next week, but since it's on my mind, posting now. As we write on Gender Gap Task Force main page: In 2014 Wikipedia co-founder [[Jimmy Wales]] said the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] was doubling down its efforts to reach that goal and would be

[Gendergap] WP:ANI on Disruption of Gender Gap Task Force

2014-09-04 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption_of_Wikiproject After multiple complaints by other editors about this, I decided to bring an ANI. It might not be the best constructed one possible. And maybe I'm not the best person to do it, being a

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
Frankly, given the hostility to the Gender Gap project, I have to wonder about this Hashtag effort. Lightbreather quoted some obnoxious guy statements a month ago out of her own account and was roundly criticized. Forum shopping and canvassing issues were raised while others applauded it.

[Gendergap] Result: WP:ANI on Disruption of Gender Gap Task Force; plus Arbitraition Denial

2014-09-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive853#Disruption_of_Wikiproject There will clearly never be a consensus for any administrative action to be taken with respect to this incident, therefore this discussion only continues to serve as a

[Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-09 Thread Carol Moore dc
Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/09/07/wikipedia-and-the-war-on-womens-dignity/ This article mentions an individual who's caused problems at the Gender Gap task force. Off wiki sites engaging in outing is, like hashtags, a two edged sword. It can be

Re: [Gendergap] Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive835#Harassment On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Frankly, given the hostility to the Gender Gap project, I have to wonder about this Hashtag effort. Lightbreather

Re: [Gendergap] Use of hashtag... Shining light on the gender gap by Twitter

2014-09-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com mailto:nawr...@gmail.com wrote Hi Sarah, I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was understanding Carol as saying that there were sexist comments in the ANI she linked (where Andreas' quoted comment was found). I read the entire AN/I thread and the

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-10 Thread Carol Moore dc
Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/09/07/wikipedia-and-the-war-on-womens-dignity/ This article mentions an individual who's caused problems at the Gender Gap task force

Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and the war on women’s dignity

2014-09-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
The Resources page links to forty-eight mainstream and tech articles with another 30 or 40 reprints or summaries of those in smaller mainstream publications. The fourteen blog and other entries are just a smattering of the higher quality blog and activist commentary on Wikipedia. So there is

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