Re: (313) Circulation Records
The other day I was in my local shop, and pulled out about 10 records on the Circulation label -- a purely visual grab, since each of the Circulation's is color coded. I started dropping needle on them, and ended up grabbing 6 of them. I'd classify them as tech-house (I guess) and dance floor oriented, but with some really lush touches that connect back to Detroit. So I did a web search and came up dry. Anyone know who these guys are? Is Circulation still a going concern? Circulation are Matt Jackson and Paul Davis from London. They run the Circulation label which has put out a series of colour-coded releases (up to at least 12 now I think). There's also the Circulation Limited series (up to number 5) and a slightly trancier offshoot called Creative. They have an LP out soon with all the best bits from the 12s plus a load of new tracks. Personally I'm not a huge fan - they seem to date pretty quickly and while the production is undoubtedly excellent they're just lacking a little soul IMO - I certainly don't link them with Detroit in my mind. They do tend to work great on the dancefloor though... Also they're not to be confused with Joshua's 'Circulation' alias - his releases using this name on Balance, Heard and E3 are totally different (and much more to my taste!) Cheers, Tom :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
Fw: Max 404 - Love and Mathematics [was (313) Lowlands info?]
Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Max 404 - Love and Mathematics [was (313) Lowlands info?] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you check the Eevolute website you can hear some Real Audio. Definitely as essential as Agenda 21, maybe even more so! Also considering these 12s can fetch some exorbitant prices it's awesome to see Eevolute not only reissuing them on CD but keeping the CD in print (if other labels did even only the former). For all you out there who are having a hard time finding these cd's in your records store, the eevolute web site (http://www.eevolute.com) offers a nice piece of technology called mail-order. All the Eevolute cd's are still available through mail-order. So everyone can now listens to the brilliant max 404 album on eevolute, why did nobody mentioned this, am i the only one who thinks this is a great album?:-) Unfortunately the 12 not, man i would love to get my hands on eevo 003 from 2001. Agreed. The Max 404 album is well worth acquiring. Very diverse and rather long, with very few throw away tracks (although I always think I'm listening to a perverse Enigma song when I hear track 6, Across the Street). How to Bluff Your Way into Techno Music, is another favorite for purely academic reasons. He also had a classic track on a new elctronica compilation called 6 am in Eindhoven, or something like that. What's Mr. 404 up to these days? Odd to think that album came out almost five years ago... Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) cool stuff in san fran
If anyone has any similar recommendations for May 18 - 21 in Frisco and the surrounding area, please let me know. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. -Original Message- From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 4:20 PM Subject: (313) cool stuff in san fran Hello everyone... I'll be in san francisco from Mar. 27 to april 1 (mon-sat) and I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips on cool 313/techno/jazz/other good music/spoken word events I should check out. Any other must sees (ya know, tourist crap) would also be appreciated. Oh yeah, and record shops too, that'd be helpful. You should respond in private unless you think others would be interested blah blah blah... Any info is appreciated. Thanks, _joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
(313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois
Phonopsia wrote: New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. Interesting title - care to fill us in on the meaning? Gerald
Re: (313) Ersatz Audio comp
You can hear it in full in RealAudio on their website: http://www.ersatzaudio.com/html/disco/ezcd11.html Speaking of Adult live, I never saw a review of their recent performance at the Detroit Contemporary.. Anyone make it to that? The show in Pontiac was great fun.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
(313) Re: http://www.tonicdetroit.com/
Does anyone have any information about http://www.tonicdetroit.com ? What is this all about? Where is this new club located? Any well known djs? werd out! Dj Mudfoot
Re: (313)kdj repress (was 2 track EP's SUCK!)
In a message dated 7/03/00 10:45:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other moodymann stuff on the shelves is great... 'ya blessin me' is pretty cool, the pandemonium record is EXCELLENT, and if you missed out on shades of jae, that is available. One thing though, the other side supposedly has 'the setup' on there - that is a different song! 'The setup' as plays on my original shades of jae/setup EP is completely different. Who knows what's going on? Hey Dave, That's because there are 2 different pressings of The Set Up. The 2nd edition includes new grooves on the B-side. Cheers, A_Zed _ Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 Sunday Electronic Listening [http://rtrfm.ii.net] Perth, W.Aust (WST) 23.00-01.00 Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET) 16.00-18.00 London(GMT) 15.00-17.00
Re: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois
Well, it's pretty convoluted, but I have a penchant for mysterious convoluted things. About 5 years ago I went to get my student ID photo taken and I new the guy taking the picture, so I made the most rediculous face I could and it came out a real peach. This photo was so bizarre, that I dubbed it Frogboy to match my drivers license photo, The Felon. It looked strangely like a mug shot. That was the birth of an early song, The Felon and Frogboy. Fast forward a few years. I still like the Frogboy name and adopt it as my email and IM name. One day I stumble across Frogbot as a new variation on Frogboy thanks to the magic of the Qwerty system. I decide I like Frogbot even better. In the process of coming up with song names for the album I came up with a few I was rather proud of like, Frogboy Grows Gills, and Frogbot Eats Polyphony. I decided I would try to make this a partial theme of the album - still working on some of these. So... I came up with the album name The Quebequois, a) because I've always loved the word, period and b) I realized the strange correlation between Frogboys (half frog) and The Quebequois (half French). For any francophiles like myself, who affectionately appropriate derrogatory terms for the French, the rest will easilly fall into place I hope. Hope that made some sense. I've been staring at this screen for way too long. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. -Original Message- From: matrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois Phonopsia wrote: New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. Interesting title - care to fill us in on the meaning? Gerald __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
(313) [EVT][PDX] 3/18/2000 Random Noise Generation live / Lawrence Burden of Octave One - dj
For those in the NW... Renegade Rhythms presents ... Saturday March 18, 2000 from Detroit - 430 West records Random Noise Generation - live Lawrence Burden of Octave One - dj back up by: Dlyte - Renegade Rhythms - dj Michael - Renegade Rhythms - dj The Fang - Renegade Rhythms - dj a night of Real Underground Techno Location: 13 NW 13th Ave. Portland , OR info: 503-973-1806 503-727-2444 http://www.RenegadeRhythms.com -- Octave One's DJ Lawrence Burden - 430 West 430 West was founded in 1990 from the origins Detroit's electronic music innovations and exploratory paths. Octave On debuted in 1989 with their anthem I Believe(Transmat). Since their first ground-breaking release, Octave One has pushed the steady pulse of Techno-House to a greater level. Redefining the twilight zone between the Techno realm and the Househead, O-1 has created electronic tribal rhythm focused on dance floor energy. ), Octave One has watched their music became the foundation of a new era. with eleven EPs (including Day Star Rising, Point BlanK, Conquered Nation,Foundation Ep, Octivation Ep, four double Eps, including Cymbolic and The 'X' Files) and two full-lengths (The Living Key to Images from Above 1996 and The Collective 1998.. As a DJ, Lawrence Burden has taken the Octave One sound to places such as: Detroit (of course), Chicago, Toledo, London, England, Glasgow, Scotland, Dublin, Ireland, Vienna, Austria, Salzburg, Austria, St.Petersburg, Russia, Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Berlin, Munchen, Dusseldorf, Germany, and to Midem in Cannes, France. DJ Rolando and DJ Lawrence Burden are Brothers United by Black Vinyl. -- Random Noise Generation- 430 West (Live PA) What is Dance Music? Some say it is simply sound that inspires motion. Reaching for that next step is the music of Random Noise Generation. R.N.G. the sample twisting alter ego of Burden Brothers. Their use of machine altered vocals and instrumentation have reached around the world and help to pioneer many modern styles of sampling.Represented by the screaming man logo, Random noise generation swept the dance clubs of world from its original conception. The debut dance anthem Falling In Dub, rocked clubs all through Europe and was featured at Berlin's Love Parade. Originally released on 430 West Records in May of 1991, it was quickly picked up for simultaneous release in three separate countries: the U.K. by Outer Rhythm Records, Belgium by Buzz, and in Germany by Low Spirit where it was remixed by Claude Young, Terrence Parker, and the legendary Westbam The sound of R.N.G. moves between straight up clubhouse tracks to deep hard techno, Random Noise Generation breaks down the bounders that we don't need, and leaves what we do, the funk. With over 30 tracks moving the globe, R.N.G. takes it right to the floor. No matter what's going down according to Lenny, it's gonna make you move - Renegade Rhythms email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exploring the Inner Dimensions of Sound http://www.RenegadeRhythms.com Next Live Real Audio Broadcast: Wed March 8, 2000 --
Re: (313) :on the sub. of want-lists (profan)
What about Digital Intoleratio on Profan, was that released on the Kreisel 99 series? Anyone know where I can find a copy? thanks, stephen. Scott Stone wrote: Most of the tracks got repressed on the Kreisel 99 series.. You would want #10, #15, and #45 probably. Of course they probably don't sound as good as the originals did, being as they're 7s... If you get more than one response, let me know. I wouldn't mind having the originals either..
(313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
Does anyone have any info on Chaos, aka Marc Floyd?? I know he did a really awesome track called AfroGermanic. I have one of his releases on Metroplex but I haven't seen anything else around. -1nFØrm3r
(313) Contact Details for KDJ??
Does anyone have any contact details for KDJ?? Peace, Patrick.
Re: (313) Danny Wang:Silver Trophies EP (Environ/New Jersey) world premiere
Wow! a Minimoog even sounds good in RA. 3 tracks of delicious grooves with plenty of analog machines in the mix :) kinda reminds me of a record I found at the Salvation Army Store called Synthesizer Themes, hey, Phrelic if your reading this message I also spotted some Moroder, Crawley and Sylvester but passed it up, (have no need for that 70's porno music) it was the Salvation Army on Harry Hines Blvd. All vinyl was on sale for a $1.00! This was a while back though. later, stephen. Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:04:01 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Duke) Subject: (313) Danny Wang:Silver Trophies EP (Environ/New Jersey) world premiere to be released in late March on Morgan Geist's New Jersey based Environ label, you can hear Danny Wang (New York; Balihu/Oxygen Music Works/Playhouse) 's new EP Silver Trophies in full in RealAudio now exclusively on Cognition: http://techno.ca/cognition 3 tracks of delicious grooves with plenty of analog machines in the mix :) ps there's also an interview with Wang on show 588 of Andrew Duke's In The Mix ps Statra competition (details on Cognition) ends March 21 - -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9 patrick crawley Sylvester
Re: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
In a message dated 3/8/00 3:08:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have any info on Chaos, aka Marc Floyd?? I know he did a really awesome track called AfroGermanic. I have one of his releases on Metroplex but I haven't seen anything else around. -1nFØrm3r He's got a new one on white label: UR043 Condition Red EP. I'm not really into the electro side of things, but Floyd takes it into Aphex Twin Come To Daddy territory. Weird, dark, abrasive, high-speed type shit. He's got a ton of tracks completed, but who knows where they'll all end up (including one he did w/ DJ Rolando). I think he's got a piece out on Metroplex under the name Mark Flash as well. a.
Re: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
re: Mark Flash Think he also did a remix of E-Dancers _Banjo_ and a remix (and upcoming 12?) on Upstart. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || - __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
Mark Flash = Marc Floyd? At 1:28 AM -0800 8/3/00, Simon Walley wrote: re: Mark Flash Think he also did a remix of E-Dancers _Banjo_ and a remix (and upcoming 12?) on Upstart. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || - __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- - Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com http://www.darkenergy.southernoutpost.com -=D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N=-
Re: (313) :on the sub. of want-lists (profan)
What about Digital Intoleratio on Profan, was that released on the Kreisel 99 series? Anyone know where I can find a copy? thanks, stephen. negative...its been around for a bit though as a repress. profan #11 i think it was/is. or maybe its #14 i get confused. try www.bentcrayon.com speaking of the kreisel series ive wound up with two copies of #32 so if anyone wants it let me know.
Re: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
Marc Floyd also did a snappy funky track called Dot Dot Dash and UR 49 I thinkits a nice light groove on the electro side once again. Peace Trew
Sv: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
Marc Floyd also did a snappy funky track called Dot Dot Dash and UR 49 I thinkits a nice light groove on the electro side once again. Peace Trew UR 49 is Jaguar. I saw a review of Dot Dot Dash somewhere that said something like The Detrechno boys strike again ... What's up with that ?!? I thought Detrechno was Scott Grooves' project ... ? - Rasmus
Re: Sv: (313) Detrechno/Scott Grooves
Smerf 2000 wrote: I saw a review of Dot Dot Dash somewhere that said something like The Detrechno boys strike again ... What's up with that ?!? I thought Detrechno was Scott Grooves' project ... ? - Rasmus ***Detrechno/Hydraulic is operated by two people who aren't big on giving out their names. One is Charles Grooves, whether this is any relation to Scott Grooves (real name Patrick Scott, if I remember correctly) was debated (with no final conclusion) a couple of years back on the list. Andrew Duke -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Sv: Sv: (313) Detrechno/Scott Grooves
***Detrechno/Hydraulic is operated by two people who aren't big on giving out their names. One is Charles Grooves, whether this is any relation to Scott Grooves (real name Patrick Scott, if I remember correctly) was debated (with no final conclusion) a couple of years back on the list. Andrew Duke Yes yes, I remember - but I thought it was common knowlegde now that it *was* indeed Scott Grooves. I have seen his name mentioned in relation to Detrechno a lot of places lately. Rasmus
Re:(313) Detrechno/Scott Grooves
i've talked to charles grooves on the phone in the past (has sorta disappeared in the last year or so). it's possible that detrechno/hydraulic are run by charles grooves and scott grooves, but i'm sure charles grooves and scott grooves aren't the same people. if someone in detroit wants to clarifiy this either way, it would be great, cos we didn't get a clarification last time this topic came up. andrew duke :) Smerf 2000 wrote: ***Detrechno/Hydraulic is operated by two people who aren't big on giving out their names. One is Charles Grooves, whether this is any relation to Scott Grooves (real name Patrick Scott, if I remember correctly) was debated (with no final conclusion) a couple of years back on the list. Andrew Duke Yes yes, I remember - but I thought it was common knowlegde now that it *was* indeed Scott Grooves. I have seen his name mentioned in relation to Detrechno a lot of places lately. Rasmus -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: (313) Circulation Records
johnathan morse: just to add to the confusion is this the same circulation doing the limited series? ive got 1 - 5, they're probably up to at least 6 or 7 now i would imagine. 750 copies each but they aint colour coded or anything. the first one of these is excellent - buy it on sight - an electro re-working of e2-e4 -great bassline added too. the second one is well dodgy though -has a big new-age-pan-pipes breakdown in the middle which ruins it - the rest is of it is like a global commmunications by-numbers what are 3- 5 like? any use? cheers simon
Re:(313) Detrechno/Scott Grooves
Cornelius or Disco D should know this . i've talked to charles grooves on the phone in the past (has sorta disappeared in the last year or so). it's possible that detrechno/hydraulic are run by charles grooves and scott grooves, but i'm sure charles grooves and scott grooves aren't the same people. if someone in detroit wants to clarifiy this either way, it would be great, cos we didn't get a clarification last time this topic came up. andrew duke :) Smerf 2000 wrote: ***Detrechno/Hydraulic is operated by two people who aren't big on giving out their names. One is Charles Grooves, whether this is any relation to Scott Grooves (real name Patrick Scott, if I remember correctly) was debated (with no final conclusion) a couple of years back on the list. Andrew Duke Yes yes, I remember - but I thought it was common knowlegde now that it *was* indeed Scott Grooves. I have seen his name mentioned in relation to Detrechno a lot of places lately. Rasmus -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
(313) detronik
o.k. heres how it goes. My name is micho. Some may know me as the video guy since thats what i do(i.e. motor and science etc.) I felt it necessary to do a shameless plug for a show im participating in. On saturday march 19th around 9:00pm at a gallery called Zeitgest on Michigan Ave. about 2 or 3 blocks past the old tiger stadium away from downtown. Anyway its a free show so theres nothing to loose and its early, we will go on around 9:30pm. Heres a quick explanation. I do basically an experimental-electro and use many of my own modified gear and homebuilt gear such as toys. The set is completely live includeing the beats which i render on extremely modified 606's. Its a very unique sound and Im sure you wont hear anything like it. And then afterward, if you liked the sounds of certain things, i can modify your own gear... Oh did I mention that I may be broadcasting from mars? more info? e me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...:::.:.:::.:.:::.:.:..:...:.:...:::.:.:...:. ::create : recreate : alter:: ::micho leeraven mcadow ::detronik ::synthetic - detroit __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) K'zoo Krew???
Can anyone tell me what is happening 'half way between Detroit and Chicago' at the moment, i.e Sonic Mind squad, Mike Dreben etc... TIA WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
(313) ur 49 remixes
does anyone know how many tunes are on the ur 49 remixes 12? Cheers in advance... __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass (???) Never heard of????
Answer for workz 'Scuze me?' Never seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then? Never heard of them? I have seen Jeff Mills on numerous occasions starting in about 1993. He is still one of my heroes and yes he's great behind the decks and yet I saw Ben Sims do some stuff I've never seen Jeff do before. That's not a negative thing. I would really suck if every dj did the same tricks. Maybe you are that fanatical about Jeff and Terrence that you can't stand the fact that there's a new league of dj's coming up. How many times have you seen Ben Sims mix then? I hope we are not going the way of the cleaning products; I hate comparative tests between dj's. Everybody is entitled to have his/her own opinion and everybody has his/her heroes. People like Jeff Mills are considered gods by some, but they are as human as you and I and they also make mistakes. It's their right to do so! John P.S. I once interviewed Jeff Mills (1996), but I didn't know it was him. After all I have never heard of him... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 2:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
Re: (313) ur 49 remixes
does anyone know how many tunes are on the ur 49 remixes 12? Cheers in advance... 1. The Jaguar (Original Mix) 2. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Cat, Jeff Mills) 3. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Global Tribe, Octave One) 4. Atzlan 5. Ascension 6. Mi Raza 7. Jaguar (Spiritual Transformation, Mad Mike) Klaas-Jan
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/8/00 8:16:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past)
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/8/00 8:16:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past) I hear ya, but Ben Sims is a good producer too. Being a good dj AND a good producer is kinda rare but increasingly important if you want to be recognised. Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? 'Til they fall down? Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he should be doing? Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Dance music isn't important unless its pushing boundaries. J. 'Til they fall down? Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he should be doing? Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org -- Knecht
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past) But can work out the doubles like a motherfcker!! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
--- Joseph Ross Lynn IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Dance music isn't important unless its pushing boundaries. J. 'Til they fall down? Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he should be doing? Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available: http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org -- Knecht I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
RE: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois
Yeah Tristan, I know something about sleep deprivation too. I have so much ideas and plans for the future, but I don't have the time to work everything out. I'm a happy guy, but this is the only thing that really gets me down. Does anybody have God's phone number? I would like to call the guy and ask him to do away with the necessity to sleep. A day should be at least 50 hours as well. That way I would get some stuff done. John -Original Message- From: tristan watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois John, I smoked a lot of cigarettes, but I think it's the sleep deprivation that makes me weird. Haven't sampled frogs but I used to have some factory frog sounds on a drum machine. Pretty silly though... Can't say I've tried the froglegs either, because I don't eat meat. I'm too much of a frogophile Anyway, when I get the album online, give it a listen and let me know what you think. Thanks for the interest. Tristan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What were you smoking when you thought up these names :) You are right, frogs are cool, especially bull frogs. They produce a kind of deep sound that fucks with your mind. Ever considered sampling these sounds to make a track of it? I would love to do that, but I'm not really into making music. I'm out of music making software (don't have money for hardware) because the programs I got from a friend's friend were full off viruses and fucked up my computer pretty bad. Anyway, nice to know there are other frog lovers out there ;) There legs are pretty tasty too when prepared with tons of garlic and onions. It's considered a gourmet hors d'oeuvre here in Belgium. Enough for the frog bull shit (not bull frog shit), John -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 7:14 AM To: matrix; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois Well, it's pretty convoluted, but I have a penchant for mysterious convoluted things. About 5 years ago I went to get my student ID photo taken and I new the guy taking the picture, so I made the most rediculous face I could and it came out a real peach. This photo was so bizarre, that I dubbed it Frogboy to match my drivers license photo, The Felon. It looked strangely like a mug shot. That was the birth of an early song, The Felon and Frogboy. Fast forward a few years. I still like the Frogboy name and adopt it as my email and IM name. One day I stumble across Frogbot as a new variation on Frogboy thanks to the magic of the Qwerty system. I decide I like Frogbot even better. In the process of coming up with song names for the album I came up with a few I was rather proud of like, Frogboy Grows Gills, and Frogbot Eats Polyphony. I decided I would try to make this a partial theme of the album - still working on some of these. So... I came up with the album name The Quebequois, a) because I've always loved the word, period and b) I realized the strange correlation between Frogboys (half frog) and The Quebequois (half French). For any francophiles like myself, who affectionately appropriate derrogatory terms for the French, the rest will easilly fall into place I hope. Hope that made some sense. I've been staring at this screen for way too long. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. -Original Message- From: matrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois Phonopsia wrote: New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. Interesting title - care to fill us in on the meaning? Gerald __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
(313) Re: Circulation
Excerpts from mail: 8-Mar-100 313-Digest V1 #1321 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] plus a load of new tracks. Personally I'm not a huge fan - they seem to date pretty quickly and while the production is undoubtedly excellent they're just lacking a little soul IMO - I certainly don't link them with Detroit in my mind. They do tend to work great on the dancefloor though... I want to step up to the defence of Circulation. I agree with Tom that some of their releases have dated pretty quickly on me, but I highly recommend checking out: Circulation - Green (Circulation) Circulation - Lemon (Circulation) Circulation - Lilac (Circulation) Circulation - Pink (Circulation) Circulation - Controlled Mayhem (The End) Circulation - In and Out (Mainline) I think Green, Controlled Mayhem and In and Out are their strongest releases to date, but there's a few releases I've missed out on (Grey, Mauve, ltd 2,3). Green is easily my favorite of the bunch... I almost always use the A-side of Green to start off my tech-house sets. Aaron
RE: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
I believe Jeff Mills is a true visionary. This man is a philosopher. Try reading some in-depth interviews with the man to (try to) understand what is going on in his head. About two years ago I read a super-long, super-in-depht interview with Jeff in Magic Feet. It only made me respect the man even more. Everybody has his/her feelings about music. Wouldn't it just suck really hard if everybody liked the same? John -Original Message- From: Joseph Ross Lynn IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
RE: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois
Maybe I'll try cloning myself. You don't happen to know anybody at Area 51? :) -Original Message- From: tristan watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 5:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois Maybe you should look into self hypnosis. I've been told this is a good way to reduce the need for sleep but I've never really bothered to research it myself - not enough time... I think it's a symptom of our times. Tristan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah Tristan, I know something about sleep deprivation too. I have so much ideas and plans for the future, but I don't have the time to work everything out. I'm a happy guy, but this is the only thing that really gets me down. Does anybody have God's phone number? I would like to call the guy and ask him to do away with the necessity to sleep. A day should be at least 50 hours as well. That way I would get some stuff done. John -Original Message- From: tristan watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois John, I smoked a lot of cigarettes, but I think it's the sleep deprivation that makes me weird. Haven't sampled frogs but I used to have some factory frog sounds on a drum machine. Pretty silly though... Can't say I've tried the froglegs either, because I don't eat meat. I'm too much of a frogophile Anyway, when I get the album online, give it a listen and let me know what you think. Thanks for the interest. Tristan --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What were you smoking when you thought up these names :) You are right, frogs are cool, especially bull frogs. They produce a kind of deep sound that fucks with your mind. Ever considered sampling these sounds to make a track of it? I would love to do that, but I'm not really into making music. I'm out of music making software (don't have money for hardware) because the programs I got from a friend's friend were full off viruses and fucked up my computer pretty bad. Anyway, nice to know there are other frog lovers out there ;) There legs are pretty tasty too when prepared with tons of garlic and onions. It's considered a gourmet hors d'oeuvre here in Belgium. Enough for the frog bull shit (not bull frog shit), John -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 7:14 AM To: matrix; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois Well, it's pretty convoluted, but I have a penchant for mysterious convoluted things. About 5 years ago I went to get my student ID photo taken and I new the guy taking the picture, so I made the most rediculous face I could and it came out a real peach. This photo was so bizarre, that I dubbed it Frogboy to match my drivers license photo, The Felon. It looked strangely like a mug shot. That was the birth of an early song, The Felon and Frogboy. Fast forward a few years. I still like the Frogboy name and adopt it as my email and IM name. One day I stumble across Frogbot as a new variation on Frogboy thanks to the magic of the Qwerty system. I decide I like Frogbot even better. In the process of coming up with song names for the album I came up with a few I was rather proud of like, Frogboy Grows Gills, and Frogbot Eats Polyphony. I decided I would try to make this a partial theme of the album - still working on some of these. So... I came up with the album name The Quebequois, a) because I've always loved the word, period and b) I realized the strange correlation between Frogboys (half frog) and The Quebequois (half French). For any francophiles like myself, who affectionately appropriate derrogatory terms for the French, the rest will easilly fall into place I hope. Hope that made some sense. I've been staring at this screen for way too long. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, Propper Techno online now. New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. -Original Message- From: matrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: (313) Re: Phonopsia The Quebequois Phonopsia wrote: New Album, The Quebequois, soon to come. Interesting title - care to fill us in on the meaning? Gerald __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online
Re: (313) You call this art?!?!
That called hedonism. Definitely, it SHOULD be about art. I respect Jeff Mills' ideas and his tunes, yeah, part of his vision. Possibly not part of mine, I buy all off his stuff but I never put it in the mix (maybe I'm just stupid:). He's always been a bit of a maverick though. Ever since he was with UR. Personally, I dont feel the same way about your definition of art. I think art, in essence, is about the enjotment value. People go to art galleries to enjoy themselves and people buy CD's for the enjoyment value. People don't buy art for art's sake. It's like minimal art, some ppl appreciate a blank white wall as artistic and clever. Give me De Vinci any day... Dj Pacific:) --- Joseph Ross Lynn IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
Re: (313) You call this art?!?!
Art is not about enjoyment. Art is about mind expansion. Sometimes pleasure is mind enhancement. Sometimes confusion is mind enhancement. Listen to Xenakis and tell me what you think. I've compared his music to the sound of hell, but there is much to be learned from it. Mind Expansion. J. He's always been a bit of a maverick though. Ever since he was with UR. Personally, I dont feel the same way about your definition of art. I think art, in essence, is about the enjotment value. People go to art galleries to enjoy themselves and people buy CD's for the enjoyment value. People don't buy art for art's sake. It's like minimal art, some ppl appreciate a blank white wall as artistic and clever. Give me De Vinci any day... Dj Pacific:) -- Knecht
Re: (313) You call this art?!?!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Jeff Mills is a true visionary. This man is a philosopher. Try reading some in-depth interviews with the man to (try to) understand what is going on in his head. About two years ago I read a super-long, super-in-depht interview with Jeff in Magic Feet. It only made me respect the man even more. Everybody has his/her feelings about music. Wouldn't it just suck really hard if everybody liked the same? John I s'pose diversity and originality are a very important factor, but it isn't an excuse to release parp. I'm not talking about Jeff Mills now. I wouldn't go as far as saying his stuff was parp (I love that word:). I mean, I buy all of his stuff and it's intelligent music... beyond my dancefloor orientated comprehension, but it's interesting to listen to which is where I get the enjoyment value... There is a common factor in all good music though. Everyone knows a good quality tune. Occasionally something in the top 40 is really good and has fought it's way out from the underground to greater recognition. Not like most of the processed rubbish that's there... now THAT'S parp...;) I mean Jaguar is a good example, it's got a load of recognition because of it's cross-scene appeal. The production is a bit rough here and there but well thought out and works in many a dj's set. Paradoxically, it is very simple. Maybe you are right in what you say though. What we percieve as art may not always be enjoyable. Some people like Iron Maiden, however. Art? Mind expansion? Trash? Why don't you go and buy an Iron Maiden CD... is it beyond your simple mind? Claude Young... I prefer him to Mills, at least for the time... Dj Pacific:) --- Joseph Ross Lynn IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is not about enjoyment. Art is about mind expansion. Sometimes pleasure is mind enhancement. Sometimes confusion is mind enhancement. Listen to Xenakis and tell me what you think. I've compared his music to the sound of hell, but there is much to be learned from it. Mind Expansion. J. He's always been a bit of a maverick though. Ever since he was with UR. Personally, I dont feel the same way about your definition of art. I think art, in essence, is about the enjotment value. People go to art galleries to enjoy themselves and people buy CD's for the enjoyment value. People don't buy art for art's sake. It's like minimal art, some ppl appreciate a blank white wall as artistic and clever. Give me De Vinci any day... Dj Pacific:) -- Knecht __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/8/00 10:35:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past) But can work out the doubles like a motherfcker!! Awww, shucks, anybody can do that. It's so easy I don't even do it anymore. =) a. (www.puresonikrecords.net)
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? If every composer thought like that, there would be no progression in music at all. Pushing the boundaries is essential, and these 'so called experimental tunes' are vital to stop a scene stagnating. Sure, experimenting just for the sake of being unconventional doesn't always result in good music, but breaking the rules is how every important musical genre was created. And why on earth 'should' Jeff be 'knocking dancefloor tunes together'? There's a million other producers out there that keep the market flooded with dancefloor techno (Ben Sims included). It seems like you're dissing Mills for failing to fit in to the scene which has sprung up as a result of people taking some of the basic ideas of some of his past production and copying them. They, and you, may have missed the point. People are preoccupied with emulating the specific sound of the music, instead of being inspired by the attitude/state of mind that created it... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
(313) Re: 313-Digest V1 #1321
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:33:49 +0100 From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) ur 49 remixes does anyone know how many tunes are on the ur 49 remixes 12? Cheers in advance... 1. The Jaguar (Original Mix) 2. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Cat, Jeff Mills) 3. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Global Tribe, Octave One) 4. Atzlan 5. Ascension 6. Mi Raza 7. Jaguar (Spiritual Transformation, Mad Mike) Klaas-Jan I'm pretty sure that Surgeon played one of the new mixes at House of God about 2 weeks ago, it ceratinly didn't sound like the original. Have dj's got advance copies? Stu __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) My apologies to the Qu�b�cois
Oops. My ears are burning. I new I should have looked up the spelling on that... Given my disdane for the played out intentional-misspellings-just-to-be-cool-with-no-meaning-behind-it trend in electronic music, I'm quite embarassed. At least it didn't make the cover as such. Tristan. --- Remillard, Jean-Patrice (Mtl) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Im on 313list and i just thought it was a funny message about this the quebequoi album... Thing is, I dont know what was your idea, but a Québécois is someone who was born in Quebec (like me). It is correctly written with a c and not a qu which would mean what (ei. quoi, means what). Altho im a huge fan of minimal and a composer (got some releases and do localy live PAs) i respect your work but had to tell you a lil bit of french... or maybe it was all on purpose eh? regards, JP __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
As I've said twice already, I'm not having a go at Jeff's production or any forward thinking producers. Any TRUE forward thinking producers that is. I'm sure everyone realises how techno has previously taken flak because it's apparently easy to produce and that any joe can have a go. I'm not against progression and I'm not against Mills. I don't think he's as good as ppl give him credit for though. This is the molehill that this volcanic mountain sprang from. Who the heck is Ben Sims anyway??? I forget now;) I agree with you in that the future of music relies on innovation and breaking boundaries. Though, I think that there is a point where music is no longer music and it just becomes an racket (damn, I sound like my dad!!!). It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. I'm sure music in 1000 years will sound a lot different than music today (if it still exists), but you can't just jump there now. It cannot be created in such a way. Dj Pacific:) --- Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? If every composer thought like that, there would be no progression in music at all. Pushing the boundaries is essential, and these 'so called experimental tunes' are vital to stop a scene stagnating. Sure, experimenting just for the sake of being unconventional doesn't always result in good music, but breaking the rules is how every important musical genre was created. And why on earth 'should' Jeff be 'knocking dancefloor tunes together'? There's a million other producers out there that keep the market flooded with dancefloor techno (Ben Sims included). It seems like you're dissing Mills for failing to fit in to the scene which has sprung up as a result of people taking some of the basic ideas of some of his past production and copying them. They, and you, may have missed the point. People are preoccupied with emulating the specific sound of the music, instead of being inspired by the attitude/state of mind that created it... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) music and art (was ben sims)
I agree with you in that the future of music relies on innovation and breaking boundaries. Though, I think that there is a point where music is no longer music and it just becomes an racket (damn, I sound like my dad!!!). It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. I'm sure music in 1000 years will sound a lot different than music today (if it still exists), but you can't just jump there now. It cannot be created in such a way. Nothin' wrong with trying tho. J. Dj Pacific:) --- Tom Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? If every composer thought like that, there would be no progression in music at all. Pushing the boundaries is essential, and these 'so called experimental tunes' are vital to stop a scene stagnating. Sure, experimenting just for the sake of being unconventional doesn't always result in good music, but breaking the rules is how every important musical genre was created. And why on earth 'should' Jeff be 'knocking dancefloor tunes together'? There's a million other producers out there that keep the market flooded with dancefloor techno (Ben Sims included). It seems like you're dissing Mills for failing to fit in to the scene which has sprung up as a result of people taking some of the basic ideas of some of his past production and copying them. They, and you, may have missed the point. People are preoccupied with emulating the specific sound of the music, instead of being inspired by the attitude/state of mind that created it... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Knecht
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:35:02 EST From: T Linder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past) But can work out the doubles like a motherfcker!! few things have been bugging me. following from this post can someone, particularly alan, explain what can be done with doubles. When i have doubles, you get that funny faze noise or you can Eq different parts of each. but what else can you do? also what is the detroit 'cut n paste' style that shake taught claude young? i can place two cuts mixed, then with the fader in the middle, pick up a beat, scratch with it then drop it in again, mixed. is this it? i guess you could do that to introduce a track. i picked up bluespirit 2 recently. can anyone post a discog but also point out the general style of the label. one track on 002 is a deep bassline the other a hood style number. it's more of the other i'm after. bought the new brinkmann on monday and it's awsome. fast, quirky, very original with a hint of hawtin. it's on ersatz. great melody too. i found, to my absolute surprise, the Virgo lp on trax. Frank Tope went on about this lp about 5 years ago and i never expected to see it. i remember it was a bit of an anomoly. anyone know more about it? they're a british duo, not the trax orig artists. thanks martin __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) music and art (was ben sims)
It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. It is impossible to free one's self from the influence of the past, after all that's what makes us who we are, but it is an interesting exercise to try to avoid all conscious refrences to the past and present in order to make something totally new. DJ Spooky is quite outspoken on such philisophical modernistic aesthetics. He calls pop culture today a culture of amnesia, because we seem to be losing all our links to the past. Anyway, this is for some other list somewhere else. -out J. -- Knecht
Re: (313) music and art (was ben sims)
funny how this has become the oldest friendly argument in the world... who cares if you like mills or not (besides You)? who cares if your definition of Good or Worthy is anywhere near mine? who cares about your opinions or sense of techno right wrong (besides You)? who cares about my opinions of the same (besides Me)? enjoy what you enjoy, don't what you don't. that's why it's all there. neither of 'us' is more right than the other for feeling any way about it. the only rules are the ones you make, and then they become only the rules for you - you being anyone. if it makes your mind or body (or both, whatever is important to you) move, or challenges you in some manner, then great. mission accomplished. if it doesn't, move on and find something that does. or don't. that's fine too. ...make some trance records. haha. i dig ben's production, even if perhaps it's not absolutely groundbreaking. i'll admit to being a sucker for the current tracky-techno thing. i love it. and from the sounds of it, i'd really enjoy his dj set. but then i really enjoy claude young, et. al. however that's not the case for many people. seeing claude stop records with his face is too much fun... some people think it's ridiculous. whatever. to each his own. i've also travelled far and wide to make available the opportunity to see hawtin whenever possible, but i've never seen him sit on the decks or anything.. ;) I agree with you in that the future of music relies on innovation and breaking boundaries. Though, I think that there is a point where music is no longer music and it just becomes an racket (damn, I sound like my dad!!!). It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. I'm sure music in 1000 years will sound a lot different than music today (if it still exists), but you can't just jump there now. It cannot be created in such a way. Nothin' wrong with trying tho. J.
Re: (313) ur 49 remixes
is this a double-pack and is it available yet? 1. The Jaguar (Original Mix) 2. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Cat, Jeff Mills) 3. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Global Tribe, Octave One) 4. Atzlan 5. Ascension 6. Mi Raza 7. Jaguar (Spiritual Transformation, Mad Mike) Klaas-Jan
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:44:23 -0800 (PST), Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? And another thing - once you're famous, does that mean you don't have to create danceable music anymore? The groove matters, and if these producer/dj names that WE all respect and love are not in some way also endeared to the younger generation, how can we expect them not to lose their way? Granted, the scene isn't what it used to be, but then we all knew that would occur - and since mainstream acceptance in the states seems to be some way off yet, shouldn't these artists continue to stay in touch with underground/rave culture? (Uh oh, now I've said it...) When Carl Craig performed Paperclip People live for me in December, there were WAY too few people who were into it - and the Paperclip People material is generally much more digestible to the average partykid than much of the music we're talking about here. Just looking for my own education, Shane PLURkids Productions Info 734.913.9672 www.plurkids.com _ ___ o __)) ))_ )) __ __ _ )) ((_( ((_ (( (| ((_) (( (( __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Detroit Influence
Hello everyone, just wanted to drop a line and remind you guys of the airing of Detroit Influence formerly Submerge the show at 6-8 pm cst. at: www.flyfm.net hope you all can join us, peace. Dave G oh, please feel free to drop me a line with any comments, suggestions, ideas likes and dislikes. at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: Dance music isn't important unless its pushing boundaries. Dance music isn't important unless it makes people dance. Otto
(313) Jaguar Mixes
DJs definitely have the Jaguar mixes, I've heard DJ Bone and Laurent Garnier drop them recently. I don't think it's released yet on vinyl, but it's record # is UR2000... Nate
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Are you on crack? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Sen Bims flicks ass???
I hear ya, but Ben Sims is a good producer too. Being a good dj AND a good producer is kinda rare but increasingly important if you want to be recognised. Yeah looping old tracks is difficult. (sarcasm) Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. You fucking idiot! Sorry, Your joking right? Ah man, I don't know what to say to this, what do you say to this? Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Oh man your value. stop it please I can't laugh anymore. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. I won't go on slating you anymore, I think Tom, Joseph and Alan ripped you up on this comment. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? We'll never stop! Dj Pacific:) ??? Laters, WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
(313) Double Decking
few things have been bugging me. following from this post can someone, particularly alan, explain what can be done with doubles. When i have doubles, you get that funny faze noise Chorus or you can Eq different parts of each. but what else can you do? Your shitting me right? Pull one back a beat Scratch one in, on the off beat Then play about with fading from the above suggestions! i picked up bluespirit 2 recently. If you haven't got 'The Divide' you are missing out! WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
Re: (313) Double Decking
If you haven't got 'The Divide' you are missing out! Second the recommendation on 'The Divide ' has to be one of my favourite techno tracks... oozes bass. I have it on Ruskin's album 'Further Design' did it appear on a 12 also? Josh __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) Jaguar Mixes
Have been kickin' the mixes down here (Sydney) for a couple of weeks now, and people are going crazy for it - wanting to know when they can get it, etc... Especially the Octave One mix, very hot indeed! I definately think that this release is gonna make BMG wake up and listen! Peace, Patrick. At 2:45 PM -0500 8/3/00, Nathaniel Hovan wrote: DJs definitely have the Jaguar mixes, I've heard DJ Bone and Laurent Garnier drop them recently. I don't think it's released yet on vinyl, but it's record # is UR2000... Nate -- - Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com http://www.darkenergy.southernoutpost.com -=D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N=-
Re: Sv: (313) I Am AfroGermanic!!!
OK I actually got off my ass and checked, and it was UR 47 (Vintage Future) that I was thinking of and it was Mark Taylor not Marc Floyd. That makes more sense. Peace Trew
Re: (313) ur 49 remixes
This is the tracklisting for the Cd version. The vinyl doesn't come with the other Rolando tracks and as far as I know will only be a 12... Peace, Patrick. At 9:53 AM -0800 8/3/00, Kuri Kondrak wrote: is this a double-pack and is it available yet? 1. The Jaguar (Original Mix) 2. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Cat, Jeff Mills) 3. The Jaguar (Dance Of The Global Tribe, Octave One) 4. Atzlan 5. Ascension 6. Mi Raza 7. Jaguar (Spiritual Transformation, Mad Mike) Klaas-Jan -- - Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com http://www.darkenergy.southernoutpost.com -=D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N=-
(313) mills in toronto
..this event by renegades/daybreaks has been kancelled.. for anyone who was planning on making the drive to toronto for this event i thought it would be a good deed to inform of the cancellation..this is 100% legit..the worst thing about it is that first i get my hopes up(like many of us) for the st.andrews gig that got cancelled and now this..does anyone know if his twilo date(march?) has been confirmed? ..cheers.. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) bluespirit
Martin: i picked up bluespirit 2 recently. can anyone post a discog but also point out the general style of the label. one track on 002 is a deep bassline the other a hood style number. it's more of the other i'm after. There's only four (untitled) Bluespirit releases - Steve O'Sullivan is now running Mosaic and Bluetrain in its place. The general style of the label is overall closer to the two b-side tracks, like a cross between Hood and Maurizio... Incidentally 'Baby Boogie', the a-side 'underwater disco' (well that's how I think of it!) track on Bluespirit 2, was repressed on Mosaic a while back along with a couple of other things. All the Bluespirit/Mosaic/Bluetrain releases are totally superb IMO - I think Steve O'Sullivan is one of the most underrated producers in Britain. The new Bluetrain 'Factory Dubs' is great dubby stuff, and the new Mosaic release with John Beer is awesome deep percussive housey stuff. Also the recent 'Rhythm Method 2' doublepack is highly recommended... Cheers, Tom :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Are you on crack? ...i posted a nice thoughtful little piece on this earlier. now i realize i could have just said the above. ;PP
(313) Re: bluespirit, misread (my bad)
My mistake before it is pointed out, I misread Bluespirit as Blueprint. Although I'd probably buy a Blueprint record over a Bluespirit record any day, well most days! Although, if you haven't got 'The Divide' by James Ruskin your missing out! i picked up bluespirit 2 recently. can anyone post a discog but also point out the general style of the label. one track on 002 is a deep bassline the other a hood style number. it's more of the other i'm after. talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
Re: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. I see your point but I also see dj mixing as a sport. Jeff Mills is like the Michael Jorden of techno. Anyone think about putting a techno dj competition together so we can see who's the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world? Just for fun of course. I'm sure people like Dave Clarke, Ben Sims and T1000 could put up a good challenge. stephen.
Re: (313) You call this art?!?!
The idea that art is EITHER entertainment OR ELSE intellectual is a dangerous idea, closely related to Western culture's insidious habit of seperating the mind and the body rather than integrating them. Entertainment itself is a concept that is based on the division of time under capitalism, into Work-time and Leisure-time: Who wants to have to work intellectually during their leisure time, which is supposed to be a break from work? In a tribal culture, on the other hand, art is integrated into everyday life, and the mind and body are not seperated. An action or object can be functional, entertaining, intellectual, and spiritual all at the same time. To approach art from this viewpoint means that art can be spiritual, physical, and intellectual at the same time. You can JACK YOUR BODY and ELEVATE YOUR MIND at the same time. One should also recognize the need for music to perform different functions: at a party, you want people to get their groove on, but in other situations it may be useful to have music that is calming to the body. All such music can carry an intellectual element, and yet still be pleasurable and enjoyable. (Of course, some people drink Miller Lite and others drink fine ales brewed in Belgium by monks--not everyone can enjoy and find pleasure in the subtleties if it goes against their ingrained way of thinking and experiencing.) The bottom line, to me, is that techno has always been about both the body and the mind--it can be sexy, spiritual, deep, bangin', fun, intellectual, etc., but it doesn't have to limit itself, it can be any and all of these at once. Peace, Dave aka Cyborg K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Live PA mixes available at: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK Original Message Follows From: Nick Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) You call this art?!?! Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:12:02 -0800 (PST) Definitely, it SHOULD be about art. I respect Jeff Mills' ideas and his tunes, yeah, part of his vision. Possibly not part of mine, I buy all off his stuff but I never put it in the mix (maybe I'm just stupid:). He's always been a bit of a maverick though. Ever since he was with UR. Personally, I dont feel the same way about your definition of art. I think art, in essence, is about the enjotment value. People go to art galleries to enjoy themselves and people buy CD's for the enjoyment value. People don't buy art for art's sake. It's like minimal art, some ppl appreciate a blank white wall as artistic and clever. Give me De Vinci any day... Dj Pacific:) --- Joseph Ross Lynn IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(313) Past Issues of Dissonance now available
After some down time the past issues of dissonance have been reformatted into a more readable and accessible form. Interviews include: Eddie Fowlkes Chez Damier Stacey Pullen Surgeon Glenn Underground Anthony Nicholson Voiteck John Tejada Cari Lekebusch Chris Gray Merrick Brown Chris Udoh Microworld Mike Grant Kit Clayton Gemini Theres also a host of music reviews and reviews of dj and live performances from similar artists. Audio is still on its way. URL: http://dissonance.space.net.au/ regards Josh __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
