Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music, culture in America)
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 at 7:06 PM, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My high school used to offer classes in electronic music. This was back in.oh, 1986. We used Sequential Circuit Pro One synths and recorded to 4 track reel-to-reel. Learned all about FM synthesis. Best class in high school ever. I doubt they still offer it. wow. that's got to be the earliest i've heard of something like that. 1986? Heh. Not even close. :-) In 1976 I took an Electronic Music class in my Senior year in high school in Massachusetts (one town over from where our esteemed Mr. Fred Gianelli now dwells). We had, among other things, an ARP 2600 to play with. (Unfortunately, having no musical ability whatsoever, and still being in the throes of my pathetic adolescent ELP infatuation, I fancied myself the next Keith Emerson instead of the next Eno or John Foxx. Oh well. At least it was fun patching all the patch cords to the VCO's and VCF's and making weird whooping noises with it.) Incredibly enough, right around that same timeframe, 1975-1976, there was an ARP store on the 2nd floor of a house that had a liquor store in the floor down on the street level. I don't remember what they sold - probably the AXXE, maybe an Omni, and the 2600 - but I remember going in there and being amazed that it even existed. Heck, I would've been amazed to find it in Boston - back in that day, it was far too specialized. Needless to say, it went out of business not too long afterwards ... - Greg
Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music, culture in America)
on 10/10/04 8:40 PM, Greg Earle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 at 7:06 PM, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My high school used to offer classes in electronic music. This was back in.oh, 1986. We used Sequential Circuit Pro One synths and recorded to 4 track reel-to-reel. Learned all about FM synthesis. Best class in high school ever. I doubt they still offer it. wow. that's got to be the earliest i've heard of something like that. 1986? Heh. Not even close. :-) In 1976 I took an Electronic Music class in my Senior year in high school in Massachusetts (one town over from where our esteemed Mr. Fred Gianelli now dwells). We had, among other things, an ARP 2600 to play with. (Unfortunately, having no musical ability whatsoever, and still being in the throes of my pathetic adolescent ELP infatuation, I fancied myself the next Keith Emerson instead of the next Eno or John Foxx. Oh well. At least it was fun patching all the patch cords to the VCO's and VCF's and making weird whooping noises with it.) Incredibly enough, right around that same timeframe, 1975-1976, there was an ARP store on the 2nd floor of a house that had a liquor store in the floor down on the street level. I don't remember what they sold - probably the AXXE, maybe an Omni, and the 2600 - but I remember going in there and being amazed that it even existed. Heck, I would've been amazed to find it in Boston - back in that day, it was far too specialized. Needless to say, it went out of business not too long afterwards ... - Greg Beverly ? Peabody ? Marblehead ? Swampscott ? Lynn ?
Re: (313) Traxx, etc
I guess you need to know Traxx to envision it, but if you do, then it fits. Kicked off? Did i miss that story? Sorry if I created any confusion. Just hypothesizing, well you're probably not too far off, Traxx used to DJ on WNUR, way way back when... as did Derrick Carter. Also I agree that Dirty Criminals joint on Gigolo is worth checking, not all cuts are winners but there's enough good ones, it's raw -- Jungle Snake is the jam (sort of a re-edit the Kikrokos - Jungle DJ break as hammered by Ron Hardy). I imagine there will be a tour of some kind for sure, they are amped to play together. But i wish i could make the typical station experience sound glamorous, ha.. he other 95% of the time DJing on the radio is largely a solitary experience, in a tiny dank studio with a crap mixer, usually blown monitor speakers, a mic box with no windows and you basically have no contact with the outside world, other than a few calls / IMs that trickle in of people who tell me they used to go to the warehouse or the Music Box.. one woman called is telling me she's 40 and was telling me Ron Hardy stories.. that was pretty cool. Then there's the guy who calls every week who is like a city building inspector downtown working the graveyard shift and every week requests Hercules - 7 Ways to Make You Jack. But hey, they're still out there... peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
(313) OT: club shooting in detroit
another shooting in detroit, seven people shot, one cop, one other person in the head. undercover cops were trying to get into trenchtown afterhours, or some other spot on that block (i haven't been there since it was better days/bittersweet). not too many details yet, the monday paper should have details. it's a shame when people are hurt senselessly, but it really hits home when the sh*t goes down in front of *your* regular spots. i'm not looking forward to a recap of the racial tension and abandonment of the city that followed the 1991 fireworks beating incident. or empty bars and dancefloors as an already fickle crowd retreats to the burbs. there's also fear that the hip hop scene will be affected by the candybar incident. i always feel for people who are victims of gun violence, but until a couple years ago shootings seemed to be more premeditated, or some guy getting payback, etc. not random gunfire with undercover cops, or people hanging in the dj booth or club entrance getting shot. i'm sorry if this is really off topic, but recent events in detroit have me concerned about the safety of friends, or anyone who ventures out for a night of good music in any city. ani
(313) Re: () one for the disco heads
greg thanks so much for the mac 411 - i've d.loaded the mp3 and streamripper. james www.jbucknell.com Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] DNS.ORG To 313@hyperreal.org 01/10/04 10:57 AM cc Subject Please respond to Re: (313) one for the disco heads 313@hyperreal.org On Oct 1, 2004, at 1:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excellent link - thanks. bummer it's only streaming. maybe it's time to test out the 'capture stream function' on audion. The direct link to the Ebony Cuts #08 show seems to be http://www.funkandsoulrecords.com/radio/show/ebc.mp3 (Since you mentioned Audion, you have a Mac - if you used iTunes you could play the .m3u playlist, find the entry in the iTunes Library window, do a Command-I on it to Get Info, and in the Summary you'll see the direct URL) (As for capturing streams, personally, I'd use StreamRipperX 1.0.5 or its quasi-commercial successor, RadioLover 1.3) - Greg (the parentheses-loving Mac weenie) ForwardSourceID:NT00013E0A
Re: (313) OT: club shooting in detroit
detroit is one of the longest sad stories I can think of in my life. - Original Message - From: ani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: (313) OT: club shooting in detroit another shooting in detroit, seven people shot, one cop, one other person in the head. undercover cops were trying to get into trenchtown afterhours, or some other spot on that block (i haven't been there since it was better days/bittersweet). not too many details yet, the monday paper should have details. it's a shame when people are hurt senselessly, but it really hits home when the sh*t goes down in front of *your* regular spots. i'm not looking forward to a recap of the racial tension and abandonment of the city that followed the 1991 fireworks beating incident. or empty bars and dancefloors as an already fickle crowd retreats to the burbs. there's also fear that the hip hop scene will be affected by the candybar incident. i always feel for people who are victims of gun violence, but until a couple years ago shootings seemed to be more premeditated, or some guy getting payback, etc. not random gunfire with undercover cops, or people hanging in the dj booth or club entrance getting shot. i'm sorry if this is really off topic, but recent events in detroit have me concerned about the safety of friends, or anyone who ventures out for a night of good music in any city. ani
(313) jaded
there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). ah, the irony - in my experience, techno/house/electro is music that only young people listen to, those under 25, as they are the demographic that still go out to clubs (although there are fewer clubs and nights for them to go to - not one regular techno night on a saturday in dublin, that says something). it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno. is it different in america and britain? (my only experiences of going out in england are lost parties). in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. my father is still listening to the music of his youth - jerry lee lweis, ray charles - but will we still be listening techno in our 60s? does this stuff have longevity? a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? it gets harder and harder to enjoy the music when you are in a shrinking minority, although i don't have to worry about getting shot when i go out jack palancing. that puts my agonising in perspective. fooking hell, right to bear arms? no thanks! favourite track of moment: sterac 'asphyx', a rarity that i managed to pick up recently, even though it has a dodgy trance feel off it (maybe that's why i love it!). and that aii track off the narita 'terminal one' 12 comes second with connective zone's 'function' track third. not that you care, but i've had my fun and that's all that matters. right, enough of my blathering, back to the music and lurking for me. aidano thanks, aidan
(313) feelin' jaded
there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). ah, the irony - in my experience, techno/house/electro is music that only young people listen to, those under 25, as they are the demographic that still go out to clubs (although there are fewer clubs and nights for them to go to - not one regular techno night on a saturday in dublin, that says something). it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno. is it different in america and britain? (my only experiences of going out in england are lost parties). in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. my father is still listening to the music of his youth - jerry lee lweis, ray charles - but will we still be listening techno in our 60s? does this stuff have longevity? a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? it gets harder and harder to enjoy the music when you are in a shrinking minority, although i don't have to worry about getting shot when i go out jack palancing. that puts my agonising in perspective. jebus, right to bear arms? no thanks! favourite track of moment: sterac 'asphyx', a rarity that i managed to pick up recently, even though it has a dodgy trance feel off it (maybe that's why i love it!). and that aii track off the narita 'terminal one' 12 comes second with connective zone's 'function' track third. not that you care, but i've had my fun and that's all that matters. right, enough of my blathering, back to the music and lurking for me. aidano
(313) sorry . . . .
for double post. didn't think original mail had made it through. ta, aidan
(313) Jamal Moss
Hmm. Jamal Moss. Heard that new Axis by him, and it's excellent. Then, after the pub Friday night me and a mate were playing a few records. He had this excellent thing on a red label, the name began with C, and ended in O. So, anyway, I have a look to see who made the track as it's good, and, lo and behold, in the small print Jamal Moss. So, have you lot been sleeping? What other good records has he done? Thanks Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) jaded
Only ten years of listening to Desert scores by Ian O'Brien, Music has the rights ... by BOC, and Night drive by Cybotron, and still hugely enjoying them... Can't really imagine any of that stuff aging (and these are just a few examples off the top of my head) Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 10:44 AM À : 313@hyperreal.org Objet : (313) jaded there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). ah, the irony - in my experience, techno/house/electro is music that only young people listen to, those under 25, as they are the demographic that still go out to clubs (although there are fewer clubs and nights for them to go to - not one regular techno night on a saturday in dublin, that says something). it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno. is it different in america and britain? (my only experiences of going out in england are lost parties). in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. my father is still listening to the music of his youth - jerry lee lweis, ray charles - but will we still be listening techno in our 60s? does this stuff have longevity? a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? it gets harder and harder to enjoy the music when you are in a shrinking minority, although i don't have to worry about getting shot when i go out jack palancing. that puts my agonising in perspective. fooking hell, right to bear arms? no thanks! favourite track of moment: sterac 'asphyx', a rarity that i managed to pick up recently, even though it has a dodgy trance feel off it (maybe that's why i love it!). and that aii track off the narita 'terminal one' 12 comes second with connective zone's 'function' track third. not that you care, but i've had my fun and that's all that matters. right, enough of my blathering, back to the music and lurking for me. aidano thanks, aidan
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
(313) records
Axis 7s - I picked up 3 of these last weekend, the 'Absolute', 'Highlight' and 'Contact' 'Special's. Really good - best Mills stuff I've heard for some time. I remember it was quite a while back people were mentioning Axis 7s on here - was that these 3 or were there others before these? I bought them as a set which weren't cheap at £15, guess they'd have fitted on a 12 EP which would have been cheaper, better for playing out and at home I'd not have had to get off the sofa every 4 mins to change the record! (but must admit to slight hypocrisy as there was certainly a touch of 'OOH! look at the white Axis 7s' when I saw them). Axis double whammy! Or actually I think this is on a new Axis sub-label 'Mission'. Anyway I dont think I've seen anyone mention this on here, it's by Jamal Moss aka Hieroglyphic Being (also has stuff on Spectral) and well worth checking. Juan Atkins 'Fast Forward' EP on New Religion. Every bit as good as Alex has been promising.
RE: (313) Jamal Moss
Damn! Go to my 313 folder to make sure my message has posted and I've been beaten by Bond. Manc synchronicity.
Re: (313) records
I think the Axis 7's are the same ones that were mentioned on here a while ago Francis. They were first sold at Sonar and meant to be limited to 75 or something daft like that but then they appeared on the Axis online shop and then filtered down to record shops too. Cheers BT --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Axis 7s - I picked up 3 of these last weekend, the 'Absolute', 'Highlight' and 'Contact' 'Special's. Really good - best Mills stuff I've heard for some time. I remember it was quite a while back people were mentioning Axis 7s on here - was that these 3 or were there others before these? I bought them as a set which weren't cheap at £15, guess they'd have fitted on a 12 EP which would have been cheaper, better for playing out and at home I'd not have had to get off the sofa every 4 mins to change the record! (but must admit to slight hypocrisy as there was certainly a touch of 'OOH! look at the white Axis 7s' when I saw them). Axis double whammy! Or actually I think this is on a new Axis sub-label 'Mission'. Anyway I dont think I've seen anyone mention this on here, it's by Jamal Moss aka Hieroglyphic Being (also has stuff on Spectral) and well worth checking. Juan Atkins 'Fast Forward' EP on New Religion. Every bit as good as Alex has been promising.
RE: (313) jaded/Non Ageing Techno
To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno So True... Most of my friends are into Nu Soul, Rap and Rnb (callitwatchchoowill) and cant bear to listen anything with a 4-4 beat. They cant hear beyond the rhythm of the kick. They need to step out 'beyond the dance'. But play them Missy Eliots 'For my Peeps' and they can dig it. As you say a lot of techno is made for clubs and dancing, people of a certain age move away from clubs. Theres families to look after. Plus I don't think I could do a 4/4 workout for more than 4 mins : ). Im listening to way more techno (not necessarily the dance orientated stuff, more the armchair stuff) than I did when I was younger. I like the abstraction, making my own mind up about what the music is communicating. I mean how many times cant you hear a song containing the lines Laaadeeyy, I love yeo, plueese don't leve me' sung in that warbling oversinging style that seems to be so popular. Don't get me wrong I'm still partial to soul and rap, but it really needs to try harder. Good Hard Tryers - Aaliyah (rip)/Anti Pop Consortium/MadVillian/Badu/Prefuse 73/Cody Chestnutt/Spacek/ I was listening to the As One and Stastis compilations and thinking jeez these still represent a modern and futuristic sound. Send me you non ageing techno suggestions please. I'd love to hear what the oldies are digging... Cheers, Rav. -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 October 2004 09:44 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) jaded there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). ah, the irony - in my experience, techno/house/electro is music that only young people listen to, those under 25, as they are the demographic that still go out to clubs (although there are fewer clubs and nights for them to go to - not one regular techno night on a saturday in dublin, that says something). it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno. is it different in america and britain? (my only experiences of going out in england are lost parties). in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. my father is still listening to the music of his youth - jerry lee lweis, ray charles - but will we still be listening techno in our 60s? does this stuff have longevity? a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? it gets harder and harder to enjoy the music when you are in a shrinking minority, although i don't have to worry about getting shot when i go out jack palancing. that puts my agonising in perspective. fooking hell, right to bear arms? no thanks! favourite track of moment: sterac 'asphyx', a rarity that i managed to pick up recently, even though it has a dodgy trance feel off it (maybe that's why i love it!). and that aii track off the narita 'terminal one' 12 comes second with connective zone's 'function' track third. not that you care, but i've had my fun and that's all that matters. right, enough of my blathering, back to the music and lurking for me. aidano thanks, aidan
Re: (313) records
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, David Beattie wrote: I think the Axis 7's are the same ones that were mentioned on here a while ago Francis. They were first sold at Sonar and meant to be limited to 75 or something daft like that but then they appeared on the Axis online shop and then filtered down to record shops too. Yes. I read that the only difference is the colour in the labels. Check http://www.discogs.com/release/284866 http://www.discogs.com/release/284844 http://www.discogs.com/release/284881 -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
(313) Naomi Daniel
In a recent thread people were talking about a Carl Craig thing 'Feel The Fire', saying (if I recall correctly) something like it would amaze today's house producers as it could still blow away anything out there. Being a C2 man (though not faithfully, some of his remixes don't do it for me eg. recently Busted Trees and Bandy Bandy, maybe that's the problem here) and not knowing this track I looked it up but was unsure which version was the one people were talking of; the 'Party' mix on Outland, the 'Urban Culture', 'Salsoul' or 'Original' (is this the same as the Outland one?) on the KMS 12 or something off the Planet E 2 x 12? I bought the KMS (because I saw one not too expensive) but have to say I wasn't impressed (please don't flame me too hard!) - OKish tune but I don't think it would live up to being a revelation to contemporary producers. Do I need to get one of the other records? Or am I just using my skull to store old rags in?
RE: (313) jaded/Non Ageing Techno
well I am 32 have a family (which will grow in Feb next year - can't wait!) and still love all kinds of techno, clubbing , playing out , the whole thing...if you truely love techno you'll stick with it whatever. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 12:41 PM To: 'Aidan O'Doherty'; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) jaded/Non Ageing Techno To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno So True... Most of my friends are into Nu Soul, Rap and Rnb (callitwatchchoowill) and cant bear to listen anything with a 4-4 beat. They cant hear beyond the rhythm of the kick. They need to step out 'beyond the dance'. But play them Missy Eliots 'For my Peeps' and they can dig it. As you say a lot of techno is made for clubs and dancing, people of a certain age move away from clubs. Theres families to look after. Plus I don't think I could do a 4/4 workout for more than 4 mins : ). Im listening to way more techno (not necessarily the dance orientated stuff, more the armchair stuff) than I did when I was younger. I like the abstraction, making my own mind up about what the music is communicating. I mean how many times cant you hear a song containing the lines Laaadeeyy, I love yeo, plueese don't leve me' sung in that warbling oversinging style that seems to be so popular. Don't get me wrong I'm still partial to soul and rap, but it really needs to try harder. Good Hard Tryers - Aaliyah (rip)/Anti Pop Consortium/MadVillian/Badu/Prefuse 73/Cody Chestnutt/Spacek/ I was listening to the As One and Stastis compilations and thinking jeez these still represent a modern and futuristic sound. Send me you non ageing techno suggestions please. I'd love to hear what the oldies are digging... Cheers, Rav. -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 October 2004 09:44 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) jaded there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). ah, the irony - in my experience, techno/house/electro is music that only young people listen to, those under 25, as they are the demographic that still go out to clubs (although there are fewer clubs and nights for them to go to - not one regular techno night on a saturday in dublin, that says something). it seems to be music that you are supposed to grow out of. most of my friends used to go to clubs, but would now rather eat their own flesh than listen to techno. is it different in america and britain? (my only experiences of going out in england are lost parties). in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. my father is still listening to the music of his youth - jerry lee lweis, ray charles - but will we still be listening techno in our 60s? does this stuff have longevity? a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? it gets harder and harder to enjoy the music when you are in a shrinking minority, although i don't have to worry about getting shot when i go out jack palancing. that puts my agonising in perspective. fooking hell, right to bear arms? no thanks! favourite track of moment: sterac 'asphyx', a rarity that i managed to pick up recently, even though it has a dodgy trance feel off it (maybe that's why i love it!). and that aii track off the narita 'terminal one' 12 comes second with
Re: (313) jaded/Non Ageing Techno
if you truely love techno you'll stick with it. here here... i start to lose touch with it all when i don't go out dancing. the music i love doesn't make a lot of sense without the dance. robin...
Re: (313) records
Anyway I don’t think I've seen anyone mention this on here, it's by Jamal Moss aka Hieroglyphic Being Hey Francis. I did a 'review' of it a week or so ago. Everyone's bugging out on this record! It's Duncans fault, he bought one first. Even Ashley just asked if I had one! Ashley doesn't recommend me a techno record too often, so it must be catching alot of ears. I think it's very good too. And I'd like to know more about Jamal Moss if anyone knows. I've heard a grand total of 3 tracks by him, evryone was killer. I thank you... Alex p.s. glad you like the juan Francis. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Narodniki - The laptop supergroup
Was I the only one not feeling this set. I had listened to it before I knew who the Supergroup were and couldn't finish listening to it. Then after I learned it was comprised of some true superstars I listened to it all the way through and Just couldn't get into it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:28 PM To: Matt Kane's Brain Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Narodniki - The laptop supergroup it's been encoded onto mp3 and floating on soulseek as well for those who hate streaming On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: If you bounce around www.mutek.ca (i think if you hit the complete archives link, then browse to narod niki) you can find a couple links to audio streams. here is a direct link to the realaudio version. there are two quicktime versions as well, which may or may not have been fixed yet. http://www.mutek.ca/ref/2003/NAROD.ram http://www.mutek.ca/ref/2003/NAROD_192k_ref.mov On Oct 4, 2004, at 21:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where's the recording jack? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) London Party 16th Oct
Just seen the lineup for Fabric this weekend. Stacey Pullen Rolando Surburban Knight (Live) Colin Dale Joakim Darshan Jesrani (M.Area) Maurice Fulton Weatherall Looks alright! Any of you lot going? Sorry if it was mentioned before. Let us know how it was Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) Japan
It's one of those days where I just rattle on to myself. Oh well. Anyway, can anyone help me? Have you ever been to Japan? What are the music magazines that do techno reviews in Japan? What are the large clubs there? I notice that club womb seems to have been going for a while. Are there other big techno clubs? Can anyone help? Thanks! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) London Party 16th Oct
Ahh ha! Only had to wait half a day for my turn to say 'you haven't been paying attention'! Yes this has been mentioned before and has got me badly wanting to go but my feckless mates have backed out of a plan to voyage south. Anyone off the list going? As it is if I can't go there I might go to the Electric Souls party in Cheshire - though there's not too much on that line up for me apart from Henrik Schwarz live which I'm mad for after the Wei Chi thing plus I was heartened by your positive noises about Wajeed as he is on too (said he was doing lots round here didn't I!?).
(313) test
dsfnksdnkdsknlfslfdsadas andythepooh.com
RE: (313) London Party 16th Oct
'Fraid I'm not off to London for the Fabric do Francis. Seems like it's only me and you on here today! As it is if I can't go there I might go to the Electric Souls party in Cheshire - though there's not too much on that line up for me apart from Henrik Schwarz live Hmm, he's only on for 40 mins or something tho. Yeah, that Wajeed, I only heard his first couple of records, and I liked the sound of them, someone told me he was playing disco/soul then moved on to housey kinda stuff. Could be worth a look, although it's quite expensive really I guess. Oh well. Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) [UK Spanners] Updater V23.1
Coming this week...///on LD ///mixes Claude Young - True People Mix Makaton - Ritual Mix On DS System 23 mix live from a squat party last week - listen to us destroy Phatties 6K Sound System and wake 400 people up to Northern Electronic SoulSomething came over them/// Full Update, Line Up and First Releases to be announced on October the 23rd 2004 The Black Dog Punk Rock Sound System play live in secret locations/3 dogs/4 computers/2 decks ///No turning back ///Seek and Destroy ///Wise Up ///Go to 10 ///Print 23 ///Unit 777
Re: (313) test
dsfnksdnkdsknlfslfdsadas Yeah, I agree. It was brilliant, everyone should get one. p.s. you spelt it wrong, it's 'dadas' at the end. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) test
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dsfnksdnkdsknlfslfdsadas Yeah, I agree. It was brilliant, everyone should get one. p.s. you spelt it wrong, it's 'dadas' at the end. ha. my email account has been semi dead for days, i couldnt send anything. theres been so much sh*t i wanted to talk, yet couldnt. argh. hopefully now everything is working so i can tell my really uplifting story from this weekend. to andythepooh.com
Re: (313) test
my email account has been semi dead for days, i couldnt send anything. theres been so much sh*t i wanted to talk, yet couldnt. we got off lightly then eh tom? :) robin...
Re: (313) [UK Spanners] Updater V23.1
Martin 3 dogs I hope they're not on strings. and you didn't get them out of that squat. dirty mutts. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) moderators: using gmail for 313?
whats up with this? i tried to sign up for 313 with gmail but it didnt work. it didnt reject me or anything, it just failed. whats up with this? is there any way around it? id really like to switch over to something more reliable so that i dont have to worry about not being able to send stuff for a week at a time tom andythepooh.com
(313) Re: Tonight in Chicago
Thanks to everybody that came out on Friday and sorry it had to end so early. I hope you all had a good time before Chicago's finest showed up, because I know I did. Based on the small amount that Plastique de Reve did play, though, I'm positive we'll have him out again. Also, thanks again to the Meiotic guys also for getting Phon.o out to our night even though he didn't get to play. Speaking of not playing, I was going to record my set on Friday and post it, but in lieu of that I uploaded my set from Happy Ending in NYC: http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_happy_ending_nyc_20040820.mp3 Tracklist: http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_happy_ending_nyc_20040820.txt -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
(313) bored at work?
... you can watch carl craig play with sock puppets on www.planet-e.net :-P lee r. herrington u store it technical support specialist 440-260-2245
Re: (313) moderators: using gmail for 313?
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:52:33 -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats up with this? i tried to sign up for 313 with gmail but it didnt work i've been signed up using gmail for ages, it does usually take an unusually long time to get any kind of response when signing up to 313 in my experience... Ed
(313) Re: Jaded/Force Inc.
Aiden O'Docherty quoth: and that aii track off the narita 'terminal one' 12 comes second with connective zone's 'function' track third. not that you care, but i've had my fun and that's all that matters. Jaded? Not I. 'Life Is An Open Sky.' (Or maybe it just feels that way right now 'cause I've got a week of loafing/doing what I like ahead of me rather than working.) Coincidence: I just picked out the same EP. I think I decided that track was the best off it too. Reasons to be less jaded: 1. Force Inc. relaunches as Force Inc Music Works this month at POPKOMM music conference, Berlin. Not everything they did will be to your taste, but some will, and it's gratifying to me that an established name in our music has survived its troubles of last year. [EMAIL PROTECTED] np: Portable - Cycling - Background
Re: (313) moderators: using gmail for 313?
Exactly, it took me like 2 days to have a positive response for subscription. While its almost immediate to sign out. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Edward George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) moderators: using gmail for 313? On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:52:33 -0400, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats up with this? i tried to sign up for 313 with gmail but it didnt work i've been signed up using gmail for ages, it does usually take an unusually long time to get any kind of response when signing up to 313 in my experience... Ed
(313) Re: Jaded/Force Inc.
On Monday, October 11, 2004, at 04:47 pm, Ken Odeluga wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The correct URL is www.milleplateuxmedia.com Sorry. k
FW: (313) London Party 16th Oct
I'm defo having some of that... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 4:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject:RE: (313) London Party 16th Oct Ahh ha! Only had to wait half a day for my turn to say 'you haven't been paying attention'! Yes this has been mentioned before and has got me badly wanting to go but my feckless mates have backed out of a plan to voyage south. Anyone off the list going? As it is if I can't go there I might go to the Electric Souls party in Cheshire - though there's not too much on that line up for me apart from Henrik Schwarz live which I'm mad for after the Wei Chi thing plus I was heartened by your positive noises about Wajeed as he is on too (said he was doing lots round here didn't I!?).
RE: (313) Re: Jaded/Force Inc.
Wrong again : www.milleplateauxmedia.com ;-) Nice to see them back on track, though. In the same vein, ambient guys may not have noticed that legendary Em:t have released a couple of fresh new comps... Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 5:58 PM À : 313@hyperreal.org Objet : (313) Re: Jaded/Force Inc. On Monday, October 11, 2004, at 04:47 pm, Ken Odeluga wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The correct URL is www.milleplateuxmedia.com Sorry. k
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
-- Original Message -- From: Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). yeah, well i wouldnt say i was feeling jaded, just old. however, an interesting experience happened to me this weekend that made me feel motivated and warm inside. i was working at the record store on saturday when this kid came in the shop. he was asking about detroit house records. this is enough to arouse suspicion in my since no one does this usually, i have to force it upon them before they realise that its the bomb. so this guy is telling me about how he heard the 3 chairs play at movement last year and at the pontiac festival this year, and starts explaining to me who they were. i was like yo, i know who they are, you dont have to tell me. and he just kept on going, telling me about his friend who makes ambient techno and who also spins detroit house and techno, blah blah blah. so he tells me that he's spinning in the suburban pittsburgh community of brentwood that night, and that he and his friend would be playing the good stuff. i was pretty doubtful, but me and jwan decided to go out. it turns out that they both have pretty great records, even some harder to find stuff like the quadrant EP on r+s. they had few really questionable selections, and good knowledge of all different kinds of stuff. they were dropping some salsoul disco records, some prince, etc. their deejaying was not bad, but not excellent either. reguardless, brentwood is a crappy white trash type community, not known for any amount of culture. no one at the club (really corny club nonetheless) was really getting into it, but they werent leaving either. they explained to me that they were only 20, but had been buying records here and there for 4 years and had been playing them at all their friends' house parties, even though their friends didnt care. and you could totally tell that they had studied all their records very well, they knew them inside and out. theyve lived essentially in isolation in the burbs and developed a really good taste in music with almost no local influence. it was wild. anyway, theyre really cool kids and we should be helping them get some recognition locally. it just made me feel really good that even in a culturally devoid place like the suburbs of pgh, kids can pick up good music and really run with it. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) records
Not one to normally promote my friends stuff but the new LHAS inc forthcoming on cynic records is pretty lush.. Got one yesterday and been playing it a lot.. Worth checking out here... http://www.cynicrecords.co.uk p -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 October 2004 13:11 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) records Anyway I don't think I've seen anyone mention this on here, it's by Jamal Moss aka Hieroglyphic Being Hey Francis. I did a 'review' of it a week or so ago. Everyone's bugging out on this record! It's Duncans fault, he bought one first. Even Ashley just asked if I had one! Ashley doesn't recommend me a techno record too often, so it must be catching alot of ears. I think it's very good too. And I'd like to know more about Jamal Moss if anyone knows. I've heard a grand total of 3 tracks by him, evryone was killer. I thank you... Alex p.s. glad you like the juan Francis. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Jamal Moss
[just tried to send this and my e-mail froze. it probably got through any way, but just in case it hasn't here it is again] alex.bond (who else? i hear all of you ask,) wrote: Jamal Moss. Heard that new Axis by him, and it's excellent. Then, after the pub Friday night me and a mate were playing a few records. He had this excellent thing on a red label, the name began with C, and ended in O. So, anyway, I have a look to see who made the track as it's good, and, lo and behold, in the small print Jamal Moss. So, have you lot been sleeping? ...huh? what? What other good records has he done? he's done a 12on ghostly, which i haven't heard yet. and i seem to recall some split release with adonis, or on adonis' label? anyone? and one side on the cs strategy on eargasmic records is also by Jamal Moss. (recommended) jurren _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl
Re: (313) Jamal Moss
and one side on the cs strategy on eargasmic records is also by Jamal Moss. (recommended) Jurren. does this have a red label? if it does, it's the one I heard. First track on one side very nice? The reason I ask if you'd all been sleeping is that I've heard 3 tracks by this guy, all brilliant techno, and not one mention of him on the list... slackers ; ) _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Jamal Moss
and here's the adonis presents hieroglyphic being release i mentioned. http://www.discogs.com/release/65053 jurren _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
Re: (313) records
On 11 Oct 2004, at 16:59, placid wrote: Not one to normally promote my friends stuff but the new LHAS inc forthcoming on cynic records is pretty lush.. Got one yesterday and been playing it a lot.. the LHAS inc. 12 that's come out on Eskimo recently is really good too. like old Chicago house but with a slightly different angle. tip! :) alex: this is the 12 i was banging on about yesterday. robin...
RE: (313) feelin' jaded
you see it can happen, god on them and you for going to check em out...its up to us to educate the kids so if kids aren't getting into the style then we are to blame... -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 5:11 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: Re: (313) feelin' jaded -- Original Message -- From: Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). yeah, well i wouldnt say i was feeling jaded, just old. however, an interesting experience happened to me this weekend that made me feel motivated and warm inside. i was working at the record store on saturday when this kid came in the shop. he was asking about detroit house records. this is enough to arouse suspicion in my since no one does this usually, i have to force it upon them before they realise that its the bomb. so this guy is telling me about how he heard the 3 chairs play at movement last year and at the pontiac festival this year, and starts explaining to me who they were. i was like yo, i know who they are, you dont have to tell me. and he just kept on going, telling me about his friend who makes ambient techno and who also spins detroit house and techno, blah blah blah. so he tells me that he's spinning in the suburban pittsburgh community of brentwood that night, and that he and his friend would be playing the good stuff. i was pretty doubtful, but me and jwan decided to go out. it turns out that they both have pretty great records, even some harder to find stuff like the quadrant EP on r+s. they had few really questionable selections, and good knowledge of all different kinds of stuff. they were dropping some salsoul disco records, some prince, etc. their deejaying was not bad, but not excellent either. reguardless, brentwood is a crappy white trash type community, not known for any amount of culture. no one at the club (really corny club nonetheless) was really getting into it, but they werent leaving either. they explained to me that they were only 20, but had been buying records here and there for 4 years and had been playing them at all their friends' house parties, even though their friends didnt care. and you could totally tell that they had studied all their records very well, they knew them inside and out. theyve lived essentially in isolation in the burbs and developed a really good taste in music with almost no local influence. it was wild. anyway, theyre really cool kids and we should be helping them get some recognition locally. it just made me feel really good that even in a culturally devoid place like the suburbs of pgh, kids can pick up good music and really run with it. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) records
On Oct 11, 2004, at 7:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'd like to know more about Jamal Moss if anyone knows. I've heard a grand total of 3 tracks by him, evryone was killer. check out the handful of releases on small label Mathmatics.. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Jamal Moss
That's the one I was going to mention- I've been pushing it to people in Rubadub for about 6 months but it's a bit weird for a lot of peepz cheers Jason On 11 Oct 2004, at 17:12, jurren baars wrote: and here's the adonis presents hieroglyphic being release i mentioned. http://www.discogs.com/release/65053 jurren _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/
Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music, culture in America)
swampscott? On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, FRED giannelli wrote: on 10/10/04 8:40 PM, Greg Earle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 at 7:06 PM, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My high school used to offer classes in electronic music. This was back in.oh, 1986. We used Sequential Circuit Pro One synths and recorded to 4 track reel-to-reel. Learned all about FM synthesis. Best class in high school ever. I doubt they still offer it. wow. that's got to be the earliest i've heard of something like that. 1986? Heh. Not even close. :-) In 1976 I took an Electronic Music class in my Senior year in high school in Massachusetts (one town over from where our esteemed Mr. Fred Gianelli now dwells). We had, among other things, an ARP 2600 to play with. (Unfortunately, having no musical ability whatsoever, and still being in the throes of my pathetic adolescent ELP infatuation, I fancied myself the next Keith Emerson instead of the next Eno or John Foxx. Oh well. At least it was fun patching all the patch cords to the VCO's and VCF's and making weird whooping noises with it.) Incredibly enough, right around that same timeframe, 1975-1976, there was an ARP store on the 2nd floor of a house that had a liquor store in the floor down on the street level. I don't remember what they sold - probably the AXXE, maybe an Omni, and the 2600 - but I remember going in there and being amazed that it even existed. Heck, I would've been amazed to find it in Boston - back in that day, it was far too specialized. Needless to say, it went out of business not too long afterwards ... - Greg Beverly ? Peabody ? Marblehead ? Swampscott ? Lynn ?
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) Naomi Daniel
I pulled this out recently and played it and it was fairly satisfactory but not up to the stellar level of a lot of Carl Craig's other work around that time -- particularly that remix he did on Deep Dish (Moment of Truth? can't put my hands on it at the moment). Definitely got the hype though, a double pack (with a lot of near-miss mixes, as a result), I remember quite a bit of publicity, clearly they were looking for club play in a big way on this. -- fred
Re: (313) jaded/Non Ageing Techno
yup, I'm 35 and probably going to make techno an even more central role in my life within the next year or so. I think that if you love the music there shouldn't be any reason to give it up the older you get. Why stop dancing? My parents haven't - they just dance to the music they grew up with. MEK To: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: bcc: Subject:Re: (313) jaded/Non Ageing Techno robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/2004 13:10 CET font size=-1/font if you truely love techno you'll stick with it. here here... i start to lose touch with it all when i don't go out dancing. the music i love doesn't make a lot of sense without the dance. robin...
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
wow - that is a great little bit of real life there. They probably feel about the same as Juan, Eddie, Derrick and Kevin did. puts a smile on my face to know that they aren't giving up on it just because their peers aren't understanding what they're doing. Chancesa are they are going to be people to watch... MEK To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: bcc: Subject:Re: (313) feelin' jaded Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/2004 12:11 AST Please respond to death font size=-1/font -- Original Message -- From: Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). yeah, well i wouldnt say i was feeling jaded, just old. however, an interesting experience happened to me this weekend that made me feel motivated and warm inside. i was working at the record store on saturday when this kid came in the shop. he was asking about detroit house records. this is enough to arouse suspicion in my since no one does this usually, i have to force it upon them before they realise that its the bomb. so this guy is telling me about how he heard the 3 chairs play at movement last year and at the pontiac festival this year, and starts explaining to me who they were. i was like yo, i know who they are, you dont have to tell me. and he just kept on going, telling me about his friend who makes ambient techno and who also spins detroit house and techno, blah blah blah. so he tells me that he's spinning in the suburban pittsburgh community of brentwood that night, and that he and his friend would be playing the good stuff. i was pretty doubtful, but me and jwan decided to go out. it turns out that they both have pretty great records, even some harder to find stuff like the quadrant EP on r+s. they had few really questionable selections, and good knowledge of all different kinds of stuff. they were dropping some salsoul disco records, some prince, etc. their deejaying was not bad, but not excellent either. reguardless, brentwood is a crappy white trash type community, not known for any amount of culture. no one at the club (really corny club nonetheless) was really getting into it, but they werent leaving either. they explained to me that they were only 20, but had been buying records here and there for 4 years and had been playing them at all their friends' house parties, even though their friends didnt care. and you could totally tell that they had studied all their records very well, they knew them inside and out. theyve lived essentially in isolation in the burbs and developed a really good taste in music with almost no local influence. it was wild. anyway, theyre really cool kids and we should be helping them get some recognition locally. it just made me feel really good that even in a culturally devoid place like the suburbs of pgh, kids can pick up good music and really run with it. tom andythepooh.com
