Re: "Router on a stick"

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

If you dont have a fast ethernet interface you will have to use a one-to-one
ratio of vlans to ethernet interfaces on your router i believe.
- Original Message -
From: pierreg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: "Router on a stick"


> Hi Thomas,
>
> You need fast-ethernet on the router and VLAN+ISL trunking on the switch.
If you have all the above, you should be able to do thelab.
>
> Best of luck and let us know if you have problems.
>
> Pierre-Alex
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:29:21 -0500
>
> >Hi Group - I am trying to setup the lab to practice setting vlan with the
> >"router on a stick" method.  Do you think I can do it with the 2621
router
> >and Cat 3500 series switch (instead of 2900)???  Thanks in advance!
> >
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Re: Router Rack System - Help

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

A company called Anixter sells rehab racks pretty cheap
http://www.anixter.com/
Don
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: Router Rack System - Help


> Guys,
>
> I am really trying to search high and low on the web for a sturdy, neat
and
> affordable rack system to place my 5 routers on at home, but have been
> unsuccessful thus far. Can anyone out there help me?
>
> I do not need anything too commercial because I have a small apartment and
> already my wife is complaining that the bedroom looks like an office.  I
saw
> something on blackbox.com but I am not sure if it is suitable enough for
> routers.  Thanks
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Re: ccbootcamp

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

A vote a mixture
Don
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From: Howard C. Berkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: ccbootcamp


> >I used the nantech.com CCIE prep labs over the last week, and they seem
> >closest to the real thing. The big advantage they have over the
ccbootcamp
> >labs is the way they are worded...The wording makes you think of the
> >appropriate solution for any given task, as opposed to just asking you to
> >configure specific features.
> >
> >Arinze
>
> Your observation about the wording is fascinating.  I may be involved
> in setting up a commercial remote lab service, and, in any case,
> supervise scenario development for CertificationZone.  The problem
> you are describing also applies to practice exam development as well
> as lab practice.
>
> It is my impression that the CCIE lab, at least, really does focus on
> specific features rather than best solution -- I'm thinking of
> comments I've heard such as static routes being forbidden in many
> scenarios.  Such a focus does make sense, in a way, for Cisco -- it's
> easier to train proctors to evaluate more constrained solutions.
>
> But my own feeling is that scenarios that make you think about
> solutions are better from an educational standpoint -- definitely for
> real-world preparation, and secondarily for exam preparation.
>
> What's the feeling of people on this list?  Do you prefer scenarios
> that mimic the lab as closely as possible (without violating NDA),
> scenarios that exercise problem analysis, or a mixture of the two
> with clear identification of the scenario designer's intention?  Am I
> representing the lab reality correctly?
>
> >
> >>From: "sparkest pig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: "sparkest pig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: ccbootcamp
> >>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:00:52
> >>
> >>I just wonder that how close is the ccbootcamp to the real exam?  i am
> >>planning to write the lab exam and hope to get some lab practise. i
heard
> >>that lab 8 of the ccbootcamp is very challenging and is a good
> >>representation of the real lab exam.  How about other lab of the
> >>ccbootcamp?
> >>And besides ccbootcamp, where can I get labs that are equally (or
more)
> >  >challeging?  Is fatkid also very challenging?
>
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Re: Starting on CCNP

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I did CCNA BCMSN, CIT, BCRAN, CCDA, CID, BSCN.
This made most sense to me and I passed with flying colors.
Don
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From: Tom Lisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Paul Weinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Starting on CCNP


> For what its worth, the new Cisco CCNP Academy is going to teach the
courses in the
> following order:  BSCN, BCRAN, BCMSN & CIT.  Many people in past posts
have indicated
> that regardless of the order of the first three, you should take CIT last
as it requires
> knowledge & skills learned in the others.
>
> Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
> Community College of Southern Nevada
> Cisco Regional Networking Academy
>
> Paul Weinstein wrote:
>
> > I was wondering the same thing, because of my current job I was looking
at
> > the possiblity of starting with the Cisco Internetworking
Troubleshooting.
> > I was encouraged to start with either the Routing, Switching, or Remote
> > Access exams.  This is because the Support exam biuld off the first 3.
So I
> > would recommend either of the first 3 in any order that you feel
comfortable
> > with and then after you have completed them, the Support exam.
> >
> > Hope that helps ya some.
> >
> > Paul Weinstein
> > CCNA, MCSE, A+, Network+
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Stuart J Pittwood
> > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 12:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Starting on CCNP
> >
> > I'm guessing that this has been asked a million times but I couldn't
find it
> > in the archives.  I recently passed 640-507, and now want to go onto do
the
> > CCNP, Does anyone have any opinions on which order it is best to do the
> > exams?
> >
> > Also, I have a 2501,2516 & 803 from my CCNA are these going to be good
> > enough to do most of the CCNP? I'm guessing they won't be good enough to
do
> > BCRAN, any suggestions for a cheap access server type router?
> >
> > Also any recomendations on books, I will get the Cisco Press books but
am
> > also looking at the McGraw Hill & Sybex books any comments.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
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cco ?s

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/colt/ColtLogin.pl
this should get you there


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Re: Building crossover cable

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

is it possible to connect enhanced ATM interfaces together back to back
Don

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From: EA Louie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Brian M. Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Building crossover cable


> If you don't have a good understanding of "null modem", then you'd be
better
> off buying a crossover cable with standard connectors and then using the
> individual adapter cables at the device ends (for example, V.35 or RS-449
> crossover off the shelf).  Otherwise, you'll spend more time
troubleshooting
> and debugging your cable (bad pushpins, cold solder joints, loose
> connections, etc) than actually using it.  That being said, here's the
> pinout for a V.35 crossover cable from the DB-60 serial connector on a
Cisco
> interface to a V.35 Winchester connector:  (use the wiring in Table 23)
>
>
http://cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis3600/marcabl.p
> df
>
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> From: Brian M. Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:48 AM
> Subject: Building crossover cable
>
>
> > I am building a crossover cable to connect a Cisco and a Nortel/Bay
> > router.  I know that the transmit, receive, CTS, RTS, etc. should be
> > crossed and that the signal and frame ground wires should be straight
> > through.  How about the timing wires?  Should they be crossed or
> > straight through?
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Re: Discontiguous networks

[Donald B Johnson jr]

Doesn't the internet support only support high order bit subnetting
Don
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From: "John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Discontiguous networks


> ouch!  Please do not attempt this at home.  Heck, please do not attempt
> this anywhere!  :-)
>
> The binary mask for last octet would be 1010. If you assume the use
> of subnet zero, your host address go from 1 to 31, then skip to 64-94.
> The next subnet in binary is 0010 so the network address is
> 192.10.3.32 and host address are 33-63 and 95-126.  This is painful,
> it's making my head hurt
>
> Okay then, the next subnet in binary is 1000, or .128 in decimal,
> and your host addresses are 129-159 and 192-223.  The final subnet is
> 1010, or .148 and the host addresses are 149-180 and 224-254.
>
> I think.  That is really painful to think through and I was interrupted
> multiple times while trying to write this.  Please forgive me if these
> numbers aren't correct.
>
> And always remember:  Friends don't let friends use discontiguous
> subnet masks!
>
> >>> "Arthur Simplina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/15/01 10:04:17 AM >>>
> I know that there was an earlier posting and a very good explanation on
>
> this. So, kindly bear with me.
>
> I am trying to figure out the subnets (and hosts) for this address:
>
> 192.10.3.0 with subnet mask 255.255.255.148.
>
> I am asking this out of curiosity and to learn how to go about this.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Arthur
>
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Re: 2500 wont save config

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

i think he said config. that goes to nvram
not ios if he didn't have enough room to load two images he could erase the
old. that goes to flash
i believe there is a difference
every time the router recycles the image loads but probaly all his config
changes go away (i.e. ip addr)
I think you may have some bad memory spence
Don
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: 2500 wont save config


> It might not save due to lack of mem. Make sure you have enough room to
hold
> both the current IOS as well as the one your trying to upgrade. Otherwise
> you will need to delete one of them first. Being that your on IOS 10.3
tells
> me that probably you don't have enough memory.
>
> And I see your title." LAN Engineer". I'm not picking on you, but it
> just seems that for the question you just asked, its not one that someone
> would ask in your position. This goes back to the paper cert thing
>
>
> ""Plantier, William (Spencer)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message
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> > I have a 2500 router with 10.3 IOS and I cant save the config. Any
> > suggestions?
> >
> > Wm. Spencer Plantier
> > LAN Engineer
> > (919) 474-1300 ext 0873 Office
> > (919) 474-1056 Fax
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Re: 2500 wont save config

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I think he is talking about the config (i.e. ip addr). That resides in =
nvram
Not the image (i.e. 10.3) which is in flash.
there is a difference.
I f you didnt have enough room you could erase the old image.Why would =
you want the old image anyway.
I think you should check the nvram it may be bad Spence
Don


It might not save due to lack of mem. Make sure you have enough room to =
hold
both the current IOS as well as the one your trying to upgrade. =
Otherwise
you will need to delete one of them first. Being that your on IOS 10.3 =
tells
me that probably you don't have enough memory.

And I see your title." LAN Engineer". I'm not picking on you, but it
just seems that for the question you just asked, its not one that =
someone
would ask in your position. This goes back to the paper cert thing


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> I have a 2500 router with 10.3 IOS and I cant save the config. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Wm. Spencer Plantier
> LAN Engineer
> (919) 474-1300 ext 0873 Office
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Re: 2500 wont save config

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

he didnt have time to read the technical part he had a really good paper
cert diatribe.
Don
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: 2500 wont save config


> What does free memory have to do with trying to save a running-config
> (already in memory) to NVRAM (nothing but the startup-config there)? Last
> time I checked IOS, does not have any part in NVRAM. Plus, he didn't say
> anything about trying to upgrade IOS either.
>
> Are you sure he's the one with a paper cert? (I am only kidding, I know
you
> weren't picking on him) =P
>
> Adam Hickey
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CCNA CCNP (in progress)
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>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "The.Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:03 AM
> Subject: Re: 2500 wont save config
>
>
> > It might not save due to lack of mem. Make sure you have enough room to
> hold
> > both the current IOS as well as the one your trying to upgrade.
Otherwise
> > you will need to delete one of them first. Being that your on IOS 10.3
> tells
> > me that probably you don't have enough memory.
> >
> > And I see your title." LAN Engineer". I'm not picking on you, but it
> > just seems that for the question you just asked, its not one that
someone
> > would ask in your position. This goes back to the paper cert thing
> >
> >
> > ""Plantier, William (Spencer)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I have a 2500 router with 10.3 IOS and I cant save the config. Any
> > > suggestions?
> > >
> > > Wm. Spencer Plantier
> > > LAN Engineer
> > > (919) 474-1300 ext 0873 Office
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Re: voulnteer

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

you may want to volunteer at a more traditional agency.
like the red cross or local library or college or hospital.
these use IT and you may get some experience working on their
networks/computers while you answer phones or something.
just don't be too aggressive if they have paid staff doing this.
take it slow make friends and prove yourself.
after a year you should be running the place
Don
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:30 PM
Subject: voulnteer


> I have CCNA.Since I don't have experience I can't find
> a job.It has been 8 months since I looked for a job.I
> leave in San Jose,CA now I am looking for volunteer
> job but I don't know where to look for it.I called
> some companies but they don't need free service so
> does any one can tell me how to get volunteer job?
>  thank you
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Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

ccna is a major accomplishment,
it teaches things like the
OSI
IP addressing/protocol
LAN/WAN concepts
IPX Protocol
bridging and switching concepts
routing concepts
all of which are not cisco specific

router ios configuration
router management
access lists
maybe queueing too
don't remember been a paper too long to remember if queueing is on the ccna
but i know it is on bcran just papered that last year
these, which are cisco specific
sounds like alot.
oh by the way most colleges will articulate a certification into some credit
hours. if you fight hard enough.
but that is just paper as was eloquently stated previously.

by the way my employer puts much value on certification almost as much as a
degree.
reason being i graduated HS in 80 college in 85 how relevant is that
compared to today's technology,
but my first cert is from 96 and my last is from 2000 with something to fall
in 2001 much more relevant
that is good enough for me.
Don

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>
>
> "The.Rock" wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > While people here are
> > talking about CCNA like its some of major accomplishment.
> > CCIE=accomplishment. CCNA=not really worth the paper its printed  on at
this
> > point. CCNA is a small piece of the puzzle. Come on people this isn't
the
> > whole enchilada!!! NEWSFLASH
>
> Newsflash back at ya, your opinions dont = truth, or deft analysis. I
> dont see ANY posts lauding the CCNA as the be all and end all of the
> certification world, OR any CCNA's claiming to be the uber-network-guru
> of this sector of the galaxy (or whatever), so who, exactly, is your
> longwinded rant targeted at?
>
> Since, regardless of your decade + of exp, you are not yet a CCNA, why
> dont you stop wasting time, and bandwidth, and run out and take the
> test? In fact, go ahead and take BSCN, BCMSN, BCRAN, and CIT to achieve
> CCNP.
>
> Oh, you say your not familiar with the IOS to the degree necessary to
> pass ICND 2.0. Well, then, guess what? You are deficient. At least with
> respect to Cisco reqs concerning certification. If you dont value a
> Cisco cert, or respect them, then why post here? I mean, whats your
> point, exactly? You've not added a scintilla of interesting technical
> info to the thread.
>
> Seems to me this is simply another troll to spread FUD. I half expect
> you will introduce juniper into the discussion soon.
>
> Cisco certs are cisco specific, just as Novell, M$, Vines (remember
> Street Talk, anyone, the 1st directory service?)etc. If you want a non
> vendor specific cert, get a CNX or equiv. If you simply want to rant
> concerning the deficiency of CCNA's, then consider this:
>
> How will you, and others, view that cert once you have achieved it?
> That's a rhetorical question, dont reply. But, dwell upon it. Will at
> least ONE CCNA out there (YOU) be worthy? Maybe there are a few more
> like YOU. If your company requires it, then be a good do bee, and get
> it. If not, then pretend it doesn't exist, to the extent that you can,
> unless unqualified CCNA candidates are constantly calling your boss, who
> is inclined to hire them, and put you out. If that is the case, well,
> you chose the company you work for...
>
> And you can tilt at windmills forever more about the dimwitted nature of
> folks who hire, and how they, HR, and 'technical' recruiters cant
> separate a knowledgeable candidate from a doorstop. But, its always been
> that way, and it always will be. Especially so in a field where the
> defacto, and actual standards change as often as they do in IT. So, your
> lament is for naught. All you can change is you. And, if thats what you
> are about, you will mitigate your frustrations with the world via the
> satisfaction you get from a job well done. If you are all about changing
> the world, then, I am glad you are not on my team.
>
> The 'NA cert is an intro level cert. Its that simple. No one here is
> claiming otherwise. In spite of your contrary opinion.
>
> No need to respond.
>
> Mark Mahoney
> CCNP CNE MCP
>
> >
> > ""Belt, Louie"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > If I gave you all of the manuals and engineering specs on a car and
told
> > you
> > > to study them and then tested you on every detail in those books and
you
> > > were able to pass the test would that prove anything?
> > >
> > > If I then  gave you all of the tools and all of the parts to a car and
> > said
> > > "build it" and you successfully built it, and I then sent you away and
I
> > > broke the car (in several ways) and told you to come back and fix it
and
> > you
> > > were able to fix it would this prove anything?
> > >
> > > Obviously it would prove a lot.  This is what the CCIE certfication is
> > like.
> > > You must study all of the networking manuals and know every detail and
> > pass
> > > a difficult exam to prove your knowledge. Then you are given all of
the
> > > tools and equi

lots of studying material for CCNA( over 1300 MC) and MCSE give to you

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

what is a trans.r


HI,

If any one have MCSE ELECTIVE exam subjects material especially
Trans...r  Pls email me.

Thanks!


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Re: using cisco cd without network , why cant i? - need more details

[Donald B Johnson jr]

did you load the first cd if not that is it
have to load cd 1 then place cd 2 in tray and launch from start menu
Don
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: using cisco cd without network , why cant i? - need more
details


> put this where ? can someone give me details?
> Thanks
> Bethy
> --- "Rogell, Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > -Original Message-
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> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 03/17/2001 12:54 PM
> > Subject: using cisco cd without network  , why cant
> > i?
> >
> > I know this is a silly question and im  too
> > embarrassed to ask the guys at the office... buy
> > every
> > time i try to user my doc cd it gives me a blank
> > page
> > unless im connected to a network how do i look at
> > this
> > if im on a plane or something. I know this is simple
> > and pray no one from my office ever sees this! :)
> > can anyone discreetly help? hahaha
> > Thanks
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Re: CCNA 1.0 to 2.0

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I think if you are already a ccna 1.0 and take all CCNP 2.0 you are a CCNP
2.0
Duck
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From: Andre' Paree-Huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Denis A. Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: CCNA 1.0 to 2.0


If you have a CCNA v1 you will be a CCNA until your recert comes up in 2 or
3 years from the date you certified.
if you are a CCNA v1 and you go and acquire a CCNP (either all v1, all v2 or
a mix) you will be a CCNP v1 and your CCNA and CCNP certification will be
active until your recert comes up in 3 years.  At that point you will have
to recert to keep your certification, I have not heard if you will still be
called a CCNA v1 or what.


André Paree-Huff
A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP
MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:19 PM
Subject: CCNA 1.0 to 2.0


> I was wondering if the 1.0 exam becomes obsolete (doesn't count anymore)
> after the 2.0 exam comes out.  I know that Microsoft makes you renew your
> exam every couple years, does Cisco do as well?
>
> Denis
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Re: BGP book

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

What are the differences between 1st and 2nd edition.
Duck
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: BGP book


> "Internet Routing Architectures, The definitive BGP resource"  Second
> Edition, Cisco Press, author Sam Halabi.
>
> This is the bible of BGP...
>
> Don
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Laurel Redd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: November 21, 2000 1:39 PM
> To: Kenneth Lorenzo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: BGP book
>
>
> There is one I would not recommend:
> BGPv4
> this is a slim paperback book (has green spine I think) can't remember the
> author.  HORRIBLE book.  I am sure it had some good info in it but reading
> through it made NO sense to me at all.  Talked in circles most of the time
> and was really dry.
>
> Morgan
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:21 PM
> Subject: BGP book
>
>
> > can anyone recommend a book that has extensive coverage of BGP? Thanks!
> >
> > Kenneth
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Re: BGP book

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I have both editions but haven't had time to read the new one. I found it
mismarked or what I think was mismarked at borders for 30% off. There were 5
there and all marked the same so I grabbed one, even though it is a few
titles down on my list. I did read the 1st edition and want to know the
differences. Duck
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To: cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: BGP book


> Does anyone have both editions, and can tell me what the major differences
> are?
>
> Thanks,
>
> BJ
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Dusty Harper
> To: Laurel Redd ; Kenneth Lorenzo ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:19 PM
> Subject: RE: BGP book
>
>
> Internet Routing Architectures Second Edition by Sam Hallabi  ISBN
> 157870233X
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Laurel Redd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:39 PM
> To: Kenneth Lorenzo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: BGP book
>
>
> There is one I would not recommend:
> BGPv4
> this is a slim paperback book (has green spine I think) can't remember
> the
> author.  HORRIBLE book.  I am sure it had some good info in it but
> reading
> through it made NO sense to me at all.  Talked in circles most of the
> time
> and was really dry.
>
> Morgan
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> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 2:21 PM
> Subject: BGP book
>
>
> > can anyone recommend a book that has extensive coverage of BGP?
> Thanks!
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
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transcender

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Yeah but the transcenders are new and unproven, expensive, and 
only cover ccna. Here we are late in 2000 and all they can come up with is one 
ccna test. Makes me wonder about their writing staff. And as far as typo's maybe 
it's you. You spelled Boson wrong. 
Duck
 
 

 
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I found the bosson to be full of typos.  the trancenders 
are good.  I also> like the troytec.com.  The study 
guides  are very accurate and less than> 30.00> > 
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Re: cciebootcamp

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I don't have them but can you jump over here and mow my lawn this weekend 
for 5$
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Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want to> 
trade ?> > > regards,> 
lee

Re: CCNA Assistance

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

www.cisco.com
- Original Message -
From: Adedapo Omisore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:51 AM
Subject: CCNA Assistance


> Hi ya,
> I am about starting my cisco certification and will be happy if anyone in
> the house could give me the relevant materials needed for the
certification.
>
> I'll like to hear from you.
>
> Thanks
> Dapo
>
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Re: garbage in hperterminal ?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I had the same problem with a 1600. Did you recently upgrade the flash.
If so that may be the problem.
I loaded an image with ip/ipx/at/appn and the image was to big for for the
amount of ram I had, I had 12mb and the image needs 16. There was not enough
memory for the console. I could telnet in and the router still routed. This
was a case that was resolved by cisco officially and that was their story.
Funny aint it that the flash will hold the image but the memory wont support
it.
Duck

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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:13 AM
Subject: garbage in hperterminal ?


> Can anyone please tell me why I get garbage in
> hyperterminal when I  try to access  my 2503 from the
> console.
>
> My settings are  9600-8-N-2 and I think I have the
> right cable as it worked  before.
>
> Cheers
> Babs
>
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cisco press

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Yeah You may want to go to here 
http://www.cisco.com/cpress/home/welcome.htm#HDR2
for a full list of all cisco press books and a list of 
isbns.
Click on the  Q1  Directly from Cisco at the Learning Store. 
link, then the shop all books link, ah you will figure it out
I recommend using this for the ISBNs only and a pretty 
complete list of titles, some are missing. Shop the web with the isbn for the 
best price though unless you like paying full price for something besides 
shoes.
Duck
 
 
 
No ETA! Isn't it amazing for a Cisco web site to be down for 
so long ? Iwonder why they need to take the web site down if they're not 
ready with thenew one ? They must be really embarrassed to have the old site 
I guess...:-)I hope the wait is worth it and when Ciscopress.com is 
back up again it willbe a more exciting and useful site than the previous 
one.Bharat Suneja"Dyland Desmarais" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
message[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> 
Does anyone have any idea what the CiscoPress website [www.ciscopress.com ]> is up 
to.>> Have they given us and ETA as to when they will be back 
up?>> Thanx>> Dyland>> 
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Re: garbage in hperterminal ?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I think both work 8-n-1 or 8-n-2
At least the 4700 in front of me does.
Duck
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From: william yuwono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: garbage in hperterminal ?


> Hi Barbara,
>
> I think your Hyperterminal setting is not corect (9600-8-N-2). I think you
> should change the Hyperterminal setting to  9600-8-N-1.
>
> I hope this help,
>
> william
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:13 AM
> Subject: garbage in hperterminal ?
>
>
> > Can anyone please tell me why I get garbage in
> > hyperterminal when I  try to access  my 2503 from the
> > console.
> >
> > My settings are  9600-8-N-2 and I think I have the
> > right cable as it worked  before.
> >
> > Cheers
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Re: O/T ballots-per-second musings

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I disagree with you william, an off topic discussion is a welcome change
from the routine questions on testing software, books, where do I find?...
and I think that was a good question anyway what IS the bps, well it was
connection oriented trasmission, ton of overhead, and some latency for
refueling, but i heard on NPR they were above the cir doing about 75 in a 70
mile/h zone.
That said, I have been on this site for about 4 months and enjoy all the
different personalities. If we were all at a party and just hanging out we
wouldn't want to listen to the same questions. I think the technical term
for that is dribble. I know what you are going to say, this is a site
dedicated to cisco certification and support and that is correct, but we are
all different people with different personalities, and since we all come
here every day shouldn't the regulars get to know each other.  Another line
of reasoning is, all three of the names in this send (you, chuck, pris) have
contributed much lucent and accurate information on various topics, I feel
that gives some topic freedom. It is not the ranting of a guy who wants to
know what is a good book for CCNA studies.
There was a question the other day on "Is there anything after CCIE
comparable to achieve". What are your goals, maybe seeing a movie, taking a
bowling lesson, sanding wood, collecting seashells, I swear I could open a
clinic for CED (certification egress disorder) and make a fortune. have a
little sylvan prometric in the back, just to play both ends while you are
recovering. :>)
Disclaimer: This is not a comprehensive list of accurate and lucent
regulars, so if you aren't mentioned please don't take offense, you know who
you are.
Duck
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From: William Gragido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Chuck Larrieu' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Priscilla Oppenheimer'
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:05 AM
Subject: RE: O/T ballots-per-second musings


> I am sorry, but can you please take this off line?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Chuck Larrieu
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:00 PM
> To: Priscilla Oppenheimer; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: O/T ballots-per-second musings
>
>
> Less buggy systems? What, and put us all out of work? ;->
>
> Technology is like the tax code The more perfect you try to make it,
the
> more work it creates for those whose job it is to guide people through it.
>
> Uh uh. I say throw out the machines and go back to quill pen and
parchment.
> I mean, consider that with such primitive tools were written the Magna
> Carta, the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, the English
> Bill of rights, the Gettysburg Address.
>
> Take a look around your local Walden Books to see the output of our
current
> technology.  I mean, is there anyone who will argue that Isaac Asimov's
> writing improved after he started using word processors instead of
> typewriters?
>
> By the way, do you all realize that in the very first presidential
election
> in this country, in a nation of nine million people, voters could choose
> among George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin
> Franklin, John Jay, John Adams.
>
> Today, in a nation of a quarter of a billion, we get to choose among Gore,
> Bush, Nader, and Buchanan. This of course proves that Darwin was wrong.
>  old joke, but works even better than it did 30 years ago ;-> )
>
> As for what we do - routers make the internet happen, the internet in turn
> supposedly makes it possible for us to communicate better, and we still
have
> people on this list asking how many questions are on the test and what's
the
> passing score.
>
> So much for the "information" age.
>
> Guess I should go back to my studying. Curmudgeons need not apply.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: O/T ballots-per-second musings
>
> Has anyone figured out the ballots-per-second (bps) transmission rate for
> the ballots that travelled in a Ryder truck from Palm Beach County to
> Tallahassee? &;-)
>
> Seriously, do we recognize how ridiculous this situation is? With current
> technology, the data should have arrived in seconds. We seem to have
> scraped by the year 2000 without any major disasters caused by Y2K bugs.
> However, the year 2000 election is a victim of ancient, buggy punch-card
> readers. I call this the E2K problem.
>
> The punch card readers in Miami-Dade County were unable to detect a vote
> for president on 10,000 ballots. That's outrageous! Regardless of any
> political wrangling about the significance of this problem, as computer
> professionals, we should be asking ourselves, how could this happen?
>
> We now have two kinds of proof (Y2K and E2K) that we need to take a more
> active role in wor

Re: Cisco Netacademy ?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

username: call
password: cisco

- Original Message -
From: Hans Schimek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: Cisco Netacademy ?


> i am a regular user of the cisco netacad program -
> i am allowed to enter the CCNA program but for now
> i am not allowed to enter the CCNP program anymore -
> the regional academy where i am studying does not have the CCNP license so
> far.
> i am nearly finished with the CCNP program . until yesterday i used this
> netacad-curriculum - but today i am not allowed anymore.
> does anyone have a password and username for that
> site. just to complete my ccnp certification 
>
>
> thanx in advance
>
>
> hans
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Re: CCIE R/S Pass Mark

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

being one test away from my v2 CCN/DP that means i recently took 6 tests.
I answered the survey differently each time. I think later this week when I
take the 640-503 test, when I sign in someone from cisco is going to bust
through the testing center wall confiscate my little badge cards and kick me
off the computer. I also think that when i schedule my written the keyboard
and mouse will be wired to deliver 48v DC every time I snicker to myself. I
think cisco has the technology to know when you are snickering
duck
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From: Kevin Wigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Ben Darji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE R/S Pass Mark


> so..
>
> if you answer the questions such that you're profiled as a newbie you'll
get
> an easier exam?
>
> if you passed on the basis of being a newbie but in fact you have lots of
> experience and initials can the exam results be nullified?
>
> this is all kinda weird - being able to affect the difficulty of an exam
> before taking it.
>
> a pass is a pass - there's no CCIE written (beginner) or CCIE written
> (expert)
>
> to give myself an edge I think I'd answer like a newbie.
>
> but then :-)... maybe there's reverse psychology working here - they
> give newbies the hard exam to scare them into studying!
>
> and give the experts the easy exam as a reward!
>
> yeah! - that's it!!!
>
> Kevin Wigle
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Ben Darji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:31 AM
> Subject: RE: CCIE R/S Pass Mark
>
>
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, this topic came up a couple of months ago. Someone who was
> highly
> > > experienced in networking and Cisco in particular failed the written
> twice.
> > > He reported to the group that the passing mark was based in
significant
> part
> > > on the answers one gave in the survey before the test. The better your
> > > experience, the harder the test and the higher the passing score.
> > >
> > > Anyone remember that thread? Has that guy ever reported passing?
> >
> > that thread went round and round.  The bottom line is this:
> >
> > 1.  In the disclaimer you must read before taking the "survey" that
comes
> > before the test, it clearly states that your test will be scored in
> > accordance to how you answer the questions.
> >
> > yet
> >
> > 2. Cisco has responded to one of Priscilla's emails and said that the
> > survey makes no difference.
> >
> >
> > I have talked to an individule who too the test many times who said that
> > based on the survey it did appear to change.
> >
> > Also, if the survey has absolutely nothing to do with the
> > scoringthen why the disclaimer that says otherwise?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of
> > > Brian
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:48 PM
> > > To: Ben Darji
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE R/S Pass Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ben Darji wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Can anybody give me an accurate account of the pass mark required
for
> the
> > > > CCIE Routing and Switching multiple choice exam?
> > >
> > > Their is no set pass mark anymore.  When you begin your test, a pass
> mark
> > > is downloaded based on the pass marks of the previous 3 or 4 months.
> Sort
> > > of like a "curve" if you will.  Its "generally" around 70-75% however.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > >
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> > > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881)
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Re: boson tests??

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

www.boson.com
- Original Message -
From: Kyle Sie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: boson tests??


> hi everyone
>
>  I'm looking forward to attain my CCNP.  just exactly what are the
> everso famous Boson Tests??  I'm currently using the Sybex books by Todd
> Lamel...are they any good?  they did a great job in preparing me for my
CCNA
> cert.  Just what exactly are them Boson tests?  and where can I get some??
>
> much thanks
>
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Re: TFTP Subdirectories

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I don't believe tftp allows directory browsing. You would have to set the
tftp directory to point to the sub directory.
Duck
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: TFTP Subdirectories


> I would like to store the IOS of my routers and switch in subfolders so
that
> they are more organized.
>
> 0) can this be done?
> 1) what command will let me browse the content of my TFTP server folders
> 2) what command will start the upload process from a subdirectory
>
> Thank you
>
> Pierre-Alex
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Re: What can CDP offer ?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I believe that telnet works at layer seven and cdp works at layer two. There
may be some differences there. CCIETB
Duck
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:25 PM
Subject: What can CDP offer ?


> Hi group members,
>
> I'm just wondering...if you can access a router by telneting to it, you
can
> get most of the information that you will get through CDP. Then what is
the
> benefit of CDP?
>
> Thanks to all
>
> Adia
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Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Well brian if I ask a question about access lists and I get a reply about
buying a Cat 65xx can I borrow 50 grand.
Duck
- Original Message -
From: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP


>
> Quick question...what is going to prevent this study group from
potentially
> turning into a sales forum? With the anonymity that the Internet provides
> for all I know the advice I get could come from a sales rep?
>
> Brian Roe (GS-11)
> TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks
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>  -Original Message-
> From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP
>
> I agree, Leon should relax a little.  Sure, this is a Cisco certification
> study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that.  This is
> natural considering the number of list members who have developed
> relationships with each other.  We all know the regulars, and sometimes we
> go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is.
>
> We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a
> great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from,
> regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not.
>
> It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by
always
> including OT in the subject line.  I try to, but I don't always remember.
> Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might
not
> be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we
certainly
> would not want to ban those topics.
>
> So, everyone should do three things:
>
> 1.  Chill out a little
> 2.  Be more specific with subject lines
> 3.  Learn to use the Delete button
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> >  GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often.
> >  - Original Message -
> >  From: "NP-BASS LEON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM
> >  Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP
> >
> >
> >  > I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone
needs
> to
> >  > say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT
EXTREME,
> NOT
> >  > JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO,
> LET
> >  US
> >  > NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to
make
> a
> >  > comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the
> time
> >  of
> >  > individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every
> other
> >  > router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to
> >  > discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there
> >  > interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air
time
> to
> >  be
> >  > critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up
> your
> >  > own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of
individuals
> >  who
> >  > want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all
I
> see
> >  > and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing
> that,
> >  > Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take
> your
> >  > money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical
> >  > knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue
> to
> >  > read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is
> >  trying
> >  > to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put
> down
> >  > Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just
my
> 2
> >  > cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point,
> >  provide
> >  > something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY
> study,
> >  we
> >  > only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should,
could
> or
> >  > would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that,
> but
> >  > keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: CID Beta

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I comment from an engineer i work with was that the test was not much
different from the IE written.
184 questions 3 hrs 6-8 weeks to find out results Brutal
Duck
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From: Shane Stockman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 6:45 PM
Subject: CID Beta


> Well I wrote the CID Beta exam earlier today and damn was it crap.My exam
> said Cisco Secure VPN on the top.It seemed like it was a test that was
made
> up of alot of different tests.I did'nt know that Voice and VPN and
numerous
> other non related design topics were part of the new CID.I used the Sybex
> CID book and it barely was enough.I felt more like it was a nail the
sucker
> who thought he was going to save some money on a Beta Exam.
>
> Any comments from others who have taken this exam
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Re: Need help on CCDA Diagrams

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

There is a book by cisco press "i forget the title" that had case studies
and diagrams that were the same as the real exam. Especially for when to use
a certain piece of equipment. I did all the exercises and work sheets in the
book and passed with a 946. I would recommend using that book. someone will
help out with the title it slips my mind
Duck
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:00 PM
Subject: Need help on CCDA Diagrams


> Hello Everybody
> I need to know that can i find case study diagrams on
> the internet somewhere for the Designing Cisco
> Networks book by Diane Teare.
> Ill be grateful to u guys.
> Shahid
>
> =
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> University of Colorado Boulder
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Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

so is a hanging chad
- Original Message -
From: ElephantChild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP


> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Paul  Borghese wrote:
>
> > Also, remember - this group has had a slight design change.  The group
is
> > now a combination of two groups, Professional and Tech.  The Tech group
may
> > discuss any issue related to network engineering, not just Cisco
products.
> >
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Re: What to know, all night long . . .

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

If you are talking about BSCN then there is nothing on the CCNA v2.0 test
that is absolutely necessary. All of the new switching concepts and
configurations are covered in more detail in the BCMSN the switching test
for CCNP. The first test I took  was the BCMSN so I covered it. Cisco moved
alot of their test objectives from one test to another going from CCNP v1 to
v2 but if you have a good general understanding of networking you will be
fine. An example of this would be queueing was moved from ACRC v1 to BCRAN
v2. Either way you cover the topic of queueing cause it is still around, but
the body of each individual test has changed. In my opinion CCNA v1 is
enough foundation to take on any CCNP exam first except maybe CIT unless you
have a fair amount of real-world troubleshooting then go for it.
Here was my order if it helps:
CCNA v1
BCMSN
CIT
BCRAN
DCN
CID 3.0
BSCN
CCIE written sometime before 3/01
CCIE lab sometime before 3/02
any combo gets you there, but this made most sense considering the work I
do.
Duck
- Original Message -
From: Dyland Desmarais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:25 PM
Subject: What to know, all night long . . .


> Greets all
>
> I am currently studying for CCNP v2 and have begun with the BSCN exam.
> However, when I got my CCNA, it wrote the V1 exam.  I their anything not
on
> the v1 CCNA that there is on the CCNA v2 exam that I should study before
> getting to far into my BSCN?
>
> Say that 10 times over :-)
>
> Thanx
>
> Dyland
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Re: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

see if they had hand guns in the UK like the USA you might of joined us in
our hobby 11 years ago
Duck
- Original Message -
From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: hal9001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities


> Well, we all got started different in ways I guess.  Yea, I guess
computers
> would be better than getting kicked around
>
>
> Merry Christmas everyone!!
>
> Jennfer Cribbs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> >= Original Message From "hal9001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> >Well I'm as happy as can be..so.
> >
> >To the various louts and layabouts who gave me the kickings, punches,
blows
> >and injuries that forced me prematurely out of my 22 year career in the
> >Police Force for a career in networking.thanks very much and I'm
doing
> >very nicely indeed.the jokes on you.
> >
> >I feel much better for that now!
> >
> >Merry Christmas!
> >
> >Karl
>
> 
> Have a Good Day!!
> Jennifer Cribbs
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Re: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

:>)
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From: hal9001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Donald B Johnson Jr
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities


> Sort of Praise Cisco and pass the ammunition...mI could warm
to
> that.
>
> Karl
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer Cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:33 PM
> Subject: RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities
>
>
> > Amen!!
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
> > >= Original Message From "Donald B Johnson Jr"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > =
> > >see if they had hand guns in the UK like the USA you might of joined us
> in
> > >our hobby 11 years ago
> > >Duck
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: Jennifer Cribbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: hal9001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 8:32 AM
> > >Subject: RE: FWD: CCNA - Fears and Realities
> > >
> > >
> > >> Well, we all got started different in ways I guess.  Yea, I guess
> > >computers
> > >> would be better than getting kicked around
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Merry Christmas everyone!!
> > >>
> > >> Jennfer Cribbs
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >= Original Message From "hal9001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> > >> >Well I'm as happy as can be..so.
> > >> >
> > >> >To the various louts and layabouts who gave me the kickings,
punches,
> > >blows
> > >> >and injuries that forced me prematurely out of my 22 year career in
> the
> > >> >Police Force for a career in networking.thanks very much and I'm
> > >doing
> > >> >very nicely indeed.the jokes on you.
> > >> >
> > >> >I feel much better for that now!
> > >> >
> > >> >Merry Christmas!
> > >> >
> > >> >Karl
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >> Have a Good Day!!
> > >> Jennifer Cribbs
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Re: Pwd Question

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

routerb(config)#
routerb(config)#service password-recovery
   ^
% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.

routerb(config)# no service password-recovery
 ^
% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.

routerb(config)#

routerb(config)#
Duck
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From: Eric Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Taylor, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pwd Question


> RE: Pwd QuestionDon,
>
> It is an undocumented command.
>
>
>
>   - Original Message -=20
>   From: Taylor, Don=20
>   To: 'Eric Fisher' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 4:13 PM
>   Subject: RE: Pwd Question
>
>
>   I searched on CCO and can find no record of "no service =
> password-recovery"; I don't believe there is such an animal. You're not =
> using an older version of HyperTerminal, are you? The old version didn't =
> send the break signal properly. You can try the newer version or a =
> different terminal emulator altogether if this is the case.
>
>   - Don=20
>
>   -Original Message-=20
>   From: Eric Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]=20
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 12:54 PM=20
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
>   Subject: Pwd Question=20
>
>
>
>   I have this router that someone must have entered no service=20
>   password-recovery and I don't have the password.  You are unable to =
> get into=20
>   Rommon to change the confreg.  Is there a work around this or do I =
> have to=20
>   call Cisco.=20
>
>   Thanks=20
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Re: ip subnetting

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

you can break it down with vlsm and reclaim most of the space.Duck
- Original Message -
From: Brian Lodwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:25 AM
Subject: ip subnetting


> Group,
>   In determining valid subnetworks it used to be true all were valid
accept
> the all 1's subnet and the all 0's subnet. In an environment where all
> devices are compatible, I understand, that by using the configuration
> command "ip subnet-zero" it enables the use of the all 0's subnet. The
> question I ask then, wouldn't that leave the all 1's subnet still an
invalid
> subnet even when using the previous mentioned command? or is there
something
> else that allows the all 1's subnetwork? I have been asked this question,
> and I don't feel I am correct. The new formula noted in the CCNA book
notes
> the new equation for determining the amount of valid subnetworks is 2^# of
> subnet bits, and I figured it would be 2^#of subnet bits - 1 (for the all
> 1's subnet). I don't pose this question without first a bit of research
and
> everything I have read indicates the "ip subnet-zero" command only enables
> the use of the all 0's subnetwork. I however cannot find anything
indicating
> the use of the all 1's subnet is permitted. Any help is appreciated.
>
> >>>Brian
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Re: So what SHOULD a CCIE know?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I would like to see the CCIE even more specilized, I don't think that there
should be VoIP, VPN and security in a R&S designation they should be a
seperate designation. Seems like what ever is hot cisco puts in the R&S
cert. I don't think that Layer 1 and 2 should be a big part of the R&S
except for general connection requirements. That should also be a
designation.
There sould be at least 10-12 maybe 15 designations not just 5.
The wider in scope the subject matter the less of an expert you become so I
feel that adding too many topics to a designation dilutes its impact.
Duck
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: So what SHOULD a CCIE know?


> >We've all seen a number of comments about the CCIE written and the CCIE
Lab,
> >regarding content. Most of those comments have been negative.
> >
> >So, what SHOULD be tested? What SHOULD a CCIE know?
> >
> >Anyone?
> >
> >Chuck
>
> I'll make a few observations, some of which may be controversial.  I
> realize many people look at CCIE as the ultimate, but I can't
> consider it such. It is meaningful, but there are lots of jobs that
> require more and/or more specialized knowledge and experience.
>
> CCIE (R&S) indicates a solid understanding of routing and switching,
> from a deployment and support standpoint, for medium to large
> enterprises and small ISPs.
>
> It does not indicate significant competence in:
>
>   -- requirements analysis and large network architecture
>   -- product evaluation/selection
>   -- global Internet routing
>   -- protocol architecture, design, and implementation
>   -- formal performance specification, analysis, and tuning; capacity
>  planning
>   -- security requirements and planning (i.e., why you select which
>  IPsec, etc., parameters)
>   -- large-scale network management
>
> It appears to be including a good deal of VoIP, but it is not a
> general telecom certification.
>
> The basic CCIE shows substantial competence in workgroup protocols,
> but not SNA. It considers hosts only in the manner to which they
> interface to the routing and switching system.
>
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Re: Good amazon deal-Thanks!

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

thanks
Duck
- Original Message -
From: Aderion Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Donald B Johnson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Good amazon deal-Thanks!


> http://www.pbg.mcgraw-hill.com/computing/updates/giles.html
>
> This will give you all the updates to the former book (ISBN 0-07-913728-8)
> you'll need.  Happy downloading!
>
> Aderion
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Donald B Johnson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Aderion Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Good amazon deal-Thanks!
>
>
> > do you have the url for the errata
> > duck
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Aderion Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Nabil Fares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'Brian' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 10:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Good amazon deal-Thanks!
> >
> >
> > > I would beg to differ and agree with Brian.  The content doesn't match
> > half
> > > of what is on the market today for the CCIE study guides.   In
addition,
> > > there is the errata that's still available by McGraw-Hill.
> > > Combined with what one would consider 'perfect' studying material as
one
> > > should use while pursuing your CCIE, because one book doesn't prepare
> you
> > > for every case, you cannot go wrong at this price.  We've used it and
it
> > has
> > > assisted three of our study members to pass the written CCIE exam.
> Please
> > > give it a rest, there are no 'perfect' books that doesn't contain some
> > > errors.
> > >
> > >  Best regards,
> > >
> > > A. Brewer
> > > President, MACG
> > > Metro Atlanta  Cisco Group
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Nabil Fares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 'Brian' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 6:18 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Good amazon deal
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is not a good deal at all.  Its the 1998 edition, that edition
> had
> > > more
> > > > errors than the recent presidential elections.  I don't think its
> worth
> > > the
> > > > $10.
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > > Nabil
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of
> > > > Brian
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:24 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Good amazon deal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Amazon has Roosevelt Giles CCIE Study Guide for $10.00 right now,
just
> > > > goto clearence items, computers, and then search the page for
"CCIE".
> > > >
> > > > Not a bad deal at all
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Brian Feeny, CCNP+ATM, CCDP   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Network Administrator
> > > > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881)
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cert tracking question

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I was just on the cert tracking system and it said i was a CCNP 2.0 and a
CCDP 1.0.
How do you get to be CCDP 2.0.
These are my tests passed.
CCNA 1.0
CCDA 1.0
640-503 Routing
640-504 Switching
640-505 Remote Access
640-506 CIT
640-025 CID
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ccie lab

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I don't see a problem with the lab being so booked.
So many people taking the exam and the number of ccie's being so low. Is a
good thing. If someone qualifies and feels they are ready let them go. You
should schedule your lab at the next available time and go take it. If you
fail then tell me how long would you want to wait. Myself I will schedule
the next available time and take it again until I pass. Most great battles
have been won by attrition, since Moses to CCIE.
Duck



I certainly agree with all the points Chuck made. One thing that Cisco could
do is
change the requirements to take the lab besides just passing the written
exam. I am not
saying by any account that the written is easy, but I know people that have
passed it by
pure luck and really don't know a darn thing. I know a person right now that
has passed
the written by getting the passing score on the dime, and he is taking the
lab soon. I
wish good luck to him, however he is walking in blindly with out EVER
actually
configured a router. He has no internetworking design or troubleshooting
experience in
the real world, however he is going to go and take the lab exam just to "see
what it is
like"

I don't think Chuck's ideas are cruel and unusual. I think they really need
to make this
tougher then it already is. Who wants to put "CCIE #102,000" after their
name? If they
just open more racks it may get to that point.  I believe the written exam
should be
scratched with a new format with a higher passing score. Truly the money
issue sometimes
makes little difference. If someone has 30,000 grand to spend on equipment,
classes,
books etc., a few more grand can't hurt. And if their company is paying then
who cares
right?  I know a company that has spent countless dollars actually flying a
guy to
Canada, putting him up in a hotel...and paying for his labthey did this
5 times
before he passed his lab. Those slots could have been used for someone that
actually
knew what they were doing and had a chance to pass.  It would be nice if
they had a 4
hour lab prequal after taking the written. Something that would not require
a proctor to
pass. You would be given many different scenarios at Sylvan and require to
configure
them with a virtual IOS. The configs would be sent to an evaluator at Cisco
and then you
would be contacted a week later concerning scheduling your real lab date.
This could
weed out some of the flunkies.

If Cisco ruins the value of this exam, they are not going to have any future
revenue
from it.

Nate

Chuck Larrieu wrote:

> >> I was told Cisco was trying to reduce the problem, but not how they
were
> going to achieve their goal. (I wish them luck)<<
>
> some cruel and unusual thoughts come to mind.
>
> 1) Set some arbitrary standard such that people who fail day one by more
> than so many points have a 90 day wait for retest, rather than 30 days. Or
> you have to at least made it into day 2 to be able to retest within 30
days.
> Some such thing
>
> 2) Limit the number of times one may attempt the lab in any 12 month
period.
>
> 3) Increase the price charged for each lab attempt. E.g. 1K for first
> attempt, 2K for 2nd, 5K for third
>
> I say this half jokingly, but half seriously. I talk to a lot of people
who
> take the lab, both those who have passed and those who have not.
> The old rule of economics holds true - people act according to their
> perceived best interest. If someone else is footing the bill, and there is
> no disincentive for failure, then people will act accordingly. They will
> book themselves and make attempts even when they know they have no hope of
> passing. They will schedule attempt after attempt because there is no
reason
> not to, especially if someone else pays, and especially if there is no
> penalty for failure.
>
> To be frank, I don't see any incentive for Cisco to do anything to change
> things on the demand side. They might add more racks, or more lab
locations.
> But do the numbers some time. Cisco is booking something like 25 - 30
people
> a week in San Jose alone. That's 25-30 K per week in revenue, or at least
> 1.3 million a year. So they pay a couple of lab proctors 150K each. The
rest
> is pure profit. ( yes, I know from an accounting standpoint there are
> several other cost factors ) So the incentive from Cisco's standpoint is
do
> figure out ways to add revenue, rather than limit testing attempts.
>
> I look for Cisco to announce a bit more capacity, either in terms of
adding
> another location or adding more racks at existing locations. Or both.
There
> is a ton of money to be made in the certification game, and as the entity
> that controls the rules and the market, Cisco certainly enjoys the lion's
> share of that revenue.
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent:   Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:04 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:Backlog for CCIE Lab (RTP at least)
>
> I a

Re: CCNP

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

well you were given a free breathing machine and it works great, unless you
are underwater.
- Original Message -
From: Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: CCNP


> And is there anywhere where I can buy a CCNP or better
> yet a CCIE ?? And if it is possible, do you know of
> anywhere I can get a free breathing machine?  I don't
> wanna do it myself, it's just to difficult !!
>
>
>
> --- Chiao Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: Chiao Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: CCNP
> > Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:47:49 +0800
> > Organization: GroupStudy.com Discussion Groups
> > Reply-to: Chiao Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Hi All
> > Is there any good site can i go to or free study &
> > question for CCNP.
> >
> > Thank
> >
> > Chan
> > CCNA, CCDA
> >
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Re: Printing Boson Tests

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I cant get that to work
Duck
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests


> It's a little kludgy, but...
>
> What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to
> take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the
Boson
> test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click,
> select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc
and
> CTRL-V to paste the text.
>
> Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep
a
> laptop into the hotel just to review.
>
> -Austin
> (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile)
>
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Re: Printing Boson Tests

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

your kidding right i got an acre and a half for a back lawn if you come on
over you can mow it and i will give you 30 bucks. but bring your own water
my wife don't let the help on the carpet
Duck
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Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests


> Hey, why dont you guys cut and paste the Q&A's into an email and send it
to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> >From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests
> >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0800
> >
> >I cant get that to work
> >Duck
> >- Original Message -
> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:20 AM
> >Subject: Re: Printing Boson Tests
> >
> >
> > > It's a little kludgy, but...
> > >
> > > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers
> >to
> > > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the
> >Boson
> > > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag),
right-click,
> > > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word
doc
> >and
> > > CTRL-V to paste the text.
> > >
> > > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to
> >schlep
> >a
> > > laptop into the hotel just to review.
> > >
> > > -Austin
> > > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile)
> > >
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Re: Printing out the Colt Questions/Answers

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

what i did was to answer them all wrong and print the results. Or you could
copy and paste or save from the web.
Not the best scenario but it works.
- Original Message -
From: Jennifer Mellone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:26 PM
Subject: Printing out the Colt Questions/Answers


> Hey, is there a way to print out the Colt tests with answers?  I tried a
> colt once, but they only provide answers to the ones I got wrong.
>
> I like to see the q's and a's together;  I cover up the answer, mentally
> answer the question, then look to see if I got it right-- one question at
a
> time.  Or at least have the answers at the end of the document.  Having
the
> printout can let me do this.
>
> - Jennifer Mellone
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fwd: Boson Tests
>
>
> It's a little kludgy, but...
>
> What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers to
> take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the
Boson
> test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click,
> select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc
and
> CTRL-V to paste the text.
>
> Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to schlep
a
> laptop into the hotel just to review.
>
> -Austin
>
>
>
>
>
> > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Full-name: AWTroxell
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:55:32 EST
> > Subject: Re: Boson Tests
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary"
> > Content-Disposition: Inline
> > X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171
> >
> >
> > --part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > It's a little kludgy, but...
> >
> > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson questions/answers
to
> > take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start the
> Boson
> > test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag), right-click,
> > select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab to my Word doc
> and
> > CTRL-V to paste the text.
> >
> > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to
schlep
> a
> > laptop into the hotel just to review.
> >
> > -Austin
> > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile)
> >
> > --part2_b5.5504a05.2785dad4_boundary
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > It's a little kludgy,
> but...
> > 
> > What I used to do to get a printout of all the Boson
questions/answers
> to take with me on the road was to open a blank Word document, start
the
> Boson test, then highlight the complete answer info (click/drag),
> right-click, select "Copy" to copy the highlighted text, then ALT-Tab
to
> my Word doc and CTRL-V to paste the text.
> > 
> > Kinda awkward, but hey, it worked, it was free and I didn't have to
> schlep a laptop into the hotel just to review.
> > 
> > -Austin
> > (on hiatus from any more studying for awhile)
> >
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fore

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Has anyone configured a forerunner ASX-200BX if so could you point me in =
the direction of some documentation.
Thanks=20
Duck

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Re: A question

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

there is also a utility called ipac_off.inf or something that will turn this
feature on windows machines off permenatley
if you want i will ftp it to you
Duck
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From: Kathy Miihalisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Saswata Mohapatra
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: A question


> Saswata,
>
> Very interesting, took a cue from Chuck and attached the following, does
any
> of this look familiar?
>
> WHAT MICROSOFT SAYS:
>
> For a device running Windows CE 3.0, if this attempt to locate a DHCP
server
> fails, the DHCP client will auto configure the stack with a selected IP
> address from the Microsoft-reserved class B network 169.254.0.0 with the
> subnet mask 255.255.0.0. This process is called Automatic IP (Auto IP).
Auto
> IP is enabled by default. To disable Auto IP, update the AutoCfg registry
> key. The DHCP client will test, using a gratuitous ARP, to be sure that
the
> IP address the client has chosen is not already in use. If the address is
in
> use, the client selects another IP address. The client repeats this
> selection process for up to ten addresses. Once the DHCP client has
selected
> an address that is verifiably not in use, the client configures the
> interface with this address. The client continues to check for a DHCP
server
> in the background every 5 minutes, or according to the interval specified
by
> the AutoInterval registry key. If a DHCP server is found, the auto
> configuration information is abandoned and the configuration offered by
the
> DHCP server is used instead.
> Note   If the Windows CE client determines that a DHCP server is
available,
> Windows CE checks if the IP address offered by the server is on the same
> subnet. If the address is on the same subnet, Windows CE requests that it
> use the automatically configured IP address. This feature prevents
> application sessions from being stopped unnecessarily.
>
> AND WHAT IANA SAYS:
>
> IP block lookup for 169.254.0.0
> whois -h whois.arin.net 169.254.0.0
>
> Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) (NETBLK-LINKLOCAL)
>For use with Link Local Networks
>Information Sciences Institute
>University of Southern California
>4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
>Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695
>
>Netname: LINKLOCAL
>Netblock: 169.254.0.0 - 169.254.255.255
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Chuck Larrieu
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 1:48 PM
> To: Saswata Mohapatra; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: A question
>
>
> I believe the 169.250.0.0 is a Microsoft reserved address. Microsoft, if
> memory serves, uses it in conjunction with their automatic network
> configuration A search of the RFC's did not reveal anything.  A search of
> ARIN whois indicated that the block itself is assigned to "linklocal"
> Microsoft claims it is theirs
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/wcedoc/wcecomm/tcpip_50.htm  e.g.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Saswata Mohapatra
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:13 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: A question
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> Hi Networker
>
> I have couple of questions.
>
> 1. We recently received a router preconfigured from
> one of our client. The moment we connect the router to
> our network, all of our PC in our internal network got
> a message about IP conflict with another IP address
> which is not our internal IP address. We use
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> router was connected to our network through Sonicwall
> Firewall which disallows all the incoming traffic. So,
> we removed the router and everything worked fine. So,
> my question is "Is there a DHCP server in the router?"
>
> 2. How should I connect my PC to the console. I have
> the console cables with me. I am using Windows NT
> server. I tried to connect the cable to the com2 and
> when I tries to use the Hyper terminal it took most of
> the processor time. So please help me out.
>
> Somebody please help me. I have to finish this work by
> the end of the day.
>
> TIA.
>
> Saswata
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Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

if you have your ccnp you would have a ccna
if you are looking for an entry level job i would dumb down your resume
entry level ccnp is a definite red flag
if you have a degree in a related field concentrate on that once in i would
leverage your certs
Duck
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From: SBS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!


> well ... may be you ask too much for an entry level. Or something wrong
with
> your resume that didn't fit for their requirements ...
> - Original Message -
> From: "park jeongwoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:42
> Subject: Disappointed with ccnp!!
>
>
> > Hi group members.
> > I need your help.
> > I am having a hard time on finding a job.
> > I recently got ccnp certification and looking for the
> > entry level of job for network engineer.
> > I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
> > college less than a year ago.
> > I have less than a year of network experience that I
> > got from school computer lab.
> > I had a harder time finding a job before I became
> > ccnp. So I studied hard believing that  ccnp would get
> > me somewhere at least as a entry level network
> > engineer. Now I am kind of confused and disappointed
> > with the fact that I am still having a hard time
> > finding a job even with ccnp certification.
> > I feel like I need more cisco certifications such as
> > ccda, ccdp.
> > Would these certification ever help me find job?
> > It is really discouraging that cisco certification
> > doesn't help me much find a job at this point, because
> > I am also pursuing ccie too. I have to ask myself what
> > is the point of getting cisco certification.
> > Lots of CCNAs are having a job. Why not ccnp?
> >
> > Could somebody tell me why it goes like this, and what
> > I should do?
> > Am I looking for wrong job?
> >
> > I will appreiciate your input.
> >
> > jeongwoo
> >
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Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our poster child

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for 12
years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working with
computers. I want to be a lawyer next, fourth career. Whatever!! A friend of
mine had a family member who had a small consulting business, and I started
working with them when they needed a grunt. It was during the Win95 buzz
when people would pay for you to upgrade their OS. They used to get 179$ to
upgrade a computer with a licensed copy of Win95. Unbelievable!!! The
consultant company also did a lot of rewiring too, used to be a lot of Cat3
in those walls. So we would install Cat5. I swallowed a lot of dust bunnies
in the day. Got paid 7$ an hour but it was a start, and I would do it all
again because like you, I (and many here) love it. Now I have a great
position and great pay, the best part is, it's like I don't have a job, but
am getting paid for my hobby. So good luck Jeongwoo you will find something,
I know how you feel I was there. With the attitude you expressed in your
last post, you should be the poster child for all that is good about this
group, and certification, and this profession.
Duck


- Original Message -
From: jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster


> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
> First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
> concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
> replies than I expected.
>
> There were some people who made a point on removing my
> ccnp cert from my resume.
> It was not only thoughtful suggestion, but also scary
> suggestion, because I felt that removing it from my
> resume was like 7 months of ccnp prep going down the
> drain all of a sudden.
> However, I made up my mind not remove it.
> My intension of listing ccnp on my resume was to show
> how much interest I have on networking. I believe that
> there is clear difference between ccna without
> experience and ccnp without experience. If I were
> employer, I would hire ccnp without experience because
> there is obviously difference between these two guys
> in terms of the amount of technical knowledge and
> potential performance that he or she might make.
> As some members mentioned, lots of people consider
> their careers from IT industry because of money. I
> agree with them not only I am partly one of them, but
> also money can be one of strong motivation in
> advancing their living condition. But money doesn't
> give me enough motivation as my interest in networking
> does. I didn't even consider CCNP. I was going to
> start to look for a job after I got MCSE and CCNA
> certifications.
> But I couldn't stop my interest in knowing more on
> network knowledge.
>
> There might be some people who would say, " none of
> these guys would be hired."
> Well, the biggest irony that I have is that who is
> going to start his or her career in IT industry if
> everyone is looking for only experienced engineer.
> That is why I am looking for entry level of job. I
> wouldn't be able to perform in the beginning as much
> as years of experienced CCNP would do. But I am sure
> that I could learn things faster than most of
> entry-level job applicants.
> If nobody offers me a job, I would go for CCIE without
> any corporation experience. I would buy network
> devices, and take ccie lab classes. I wonder if there
> is anyone who made ccie without any corporation
> experience. I wish there were. If not, I will be the
> first one who becomes ccie without experience. I am
> not talking about home-network or training school
> network experience. I am talking about the experience
> that can be obtained as a network engineer.
> I know it would be harder to become ccie without real
> world experience, but I believe that lots of members
> who showed their concern would be with me.
> When I become CCIE, I will put nothing but CCIE, and
> see if anyone gives me job offer.
> I wonder if people who emphasizes on only experience
> still wouldn't hire me.
>
> For the people who are already out there and working
> for company without any certification, I respect them
> because they might have had harder time on getting a
> job than I do.
>
> Since I posted my message, I had some job interviews.
> Well, I will see how it will go.
> Once again, Thanks you for encouragement and advices.
> I will definitely let you know if I got hired.
>
>
> jeongwoo
>
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Re: cisco switches

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I had the test admin help me with the sign-on process.
Duck
- Original Message -
From: J K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: cisco switches


>
> dont you get 400 for typing your ssn in correcly and sitting in the right
> sylvan seat . Ah Who Cares !
>
>
>
> >From: "Neil Schneider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Neil Schneider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: cisco switches
> >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:54 -0400
> >
> >Possibly your "who cares!" attitute and your 347 score are related?  Just
a
> >thought.
> >
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >""Donald B Johnson Jr"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > who cares!!!  when you console, or telnet, or tenlet in you will find
> >out
> > > which command set you are using.
> > > If you know what a switch can do you should be allright.
> > > I just took the switching test and scored a 347 after six weeks of
study
> >'m
> > > not too depressed but I got to get back to reading.
> > > Duck
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Bellanca Smythe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:34 AM
> > > Subject: RE: cisco switches
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm surprised Jason is getting so many people on this list helping
him
> > > troubleshoot his day to day job. Jason appears to be what the group
> >dislikes
> > > most - a paper network engineer.
> > > >
> > > > He's using the group to do all his consulting for him, for free.  If
> > > you're into supporting that, by all means, keep helping him.
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf
> >Of
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:34 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: cisco switches
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 9/12/00 10:49:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > << hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do all cisco switches run IOS , I know 1900 do , but what about
> > > > > the others?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, you've asked a lot of beginner level questions in the past
> > > > > couple months
> > > > > that could be answered extremely simply by a simple
phrase"RTFM"
> > > ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > To answer this one though since I just took the test...the
1900/2820
> >and
> > > > > 2900XL series switches use the IOS. I believe the Set based
> > > > > commands start at
> > > > > the 4000 series switches. Set based may actually start at 5000
> > > > > and up...I may
> > > > > be wrong on that...This could all be done by (once again) "RTFM"
> >;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope I helped...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > "Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice;
> > > > > it is not a
> > > > > thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved."
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: cisco switches

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Oh yeah I just remebered I got a 934 on that switching test my finger got
stuck. I'll scan it and post if anyone doubts it.
I know there was a chuckle there, bordered on belly roll.
Bingo priscilla if you know what vlans are and multicasting is a STP is HSRP
is
My mother says: Donald time for dinner
My brother says: yo duck lets eat
My father says: Buddy-Boy don't make me call you again!!
either way i get my belly full cause I understand that concept of dinner.
all those commands work.
what do you think i,m brain dead i wouldn't tell anybody if I got a 347. I'm
not going in there with a Jedi send in a droid.
Pricsilla thanks for coming to the defense of all those that turn it on and
make it work. Looking forward to reading your work, it is on my reading list
and about fourth in the queue. Working on Doyle right now. I'd shoot you a
resume but I got a good ride right now.
I apoligize to the group but I don't think cisco even cares which runs on
which, that's just extraneous stuff that you read in study guides.
If the test is truly adaptive I'd give a question like that a one, and a
question about routing between VLANS or configuring a router for a
dense-mode network a tad higher in the score count.
Duck
- Original Message -
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: cisco switches


> Yes, but in the real world, I like Duck's attitude. Basically he's saying
> that he doesn't need to memorize which switch has IOS. He is not
> intimidated by any switch because they all basically do the same thing,
and
> he has learned enough configuration commands in both command sets to feel
> comfortable. I could see hiring such a person even if he did flunk the
> test! Just a thought
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 12:25 PM 9/13/00, Neil Schneider wrote:
> >Possibly your "who cares!" attitute and your 347 score are related?  Just
a
> >thought.
> >
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >""Donald B Johnson Jr"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > who cares!!!  when you console, or telnet, or tenlet in you will find
out
> > > which command set you are using.
> > > If you know what a switch can do you should be allright.
> > > I just took the switching test and scored a 347 after six weeks of
study
> >'m
> > > not too depressed but I got to get back to reading.
> > > Duck
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:34 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: cisco switches
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 9/12/00 10:49:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > << hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do all cisco switches run IOS , I know 1900 do , but what about
> > > > > the others?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason
>
>
> 
>
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Re: cisco switches

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

See what I'm talking about. You don't get 300 points. That attitude is not
the good attitude Neil. I was joking you guys are serious you think you get
300 points. No. That is just a scale in the adaptive testing format. You
mean to tell me if you answer 1 question right get a 333 you are 1/3 of the
way to a 1000. Novell pioneered the adaptive testing technique, you people
should read that to get a clear understanding on adaptive testing.
Duck
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From: Ejay Hire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: cisco switches


> No.
>
> (only 300)
>
>
> Original Message Follows
> From: "J K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "J K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: cisco switches
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:48:31 GMT
>
>
> dont you get 400 for typing your ssn in correcly and sitting in the right
> sylvan seat . Ah Who Cares !
>
>
>
> >From: "Neil Schneider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Neil Schneider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: cisco switches
> >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:25:54 -0400
> >
> >Possibly your "who cares!" attitute and your 347 score are related?  Just
a
> >thought.
> >
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >""Donald B Johnson Jr"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:030001c01db7$51db2170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > who cares!!!  when you console, or telnet, or tenlet in you will find
> >out
> > > which command set you are using.
> > > If you know what a switch can do you should be allright.
> > > I just took the switching test and scored a 347 after six weeks of
study
> >'m
> > > not too depressed but I got to get back to reading.
> > > Duck
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Bellanca Smythe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:34 AM
> > > Subject: RE: cisco switches
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm surprised Jason is getting so many people on this list helping
him
> > > troubleshoot his day to day job. Jason appears to be what the group
> >dislikes
> > > most - a paper network engineer.
> > > >
> > > > He's using the group to do all his consulting for him, for free.  If
> > > you're into supporting that, by all means, keep helping him.
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf
> >Of
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:34 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: cisco switches
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 9/12/00 10:49:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > << hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do all cisco switches run IOS , I know 1900 do , but what about
> > > > > the others?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, you've asked a lot of beginner level questions in the past
> > > > > couple months
> > > > > that could be answered extremely simply by a simple
phrase"RTFM"
> > > ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > To answer this one though since I just took the test...the
1900/2820
> >and
> > > > > 2900XL series switches use the IOS. I believe the Set based
> > > > > commands start at
> > > > > the 4000 series switches. Set based may actually start at 5000
> > > > > and up...I may
> > > > > be wrong on that...This could all be done by (once again) "RTFM"
> >;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope I helped...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > "Destiny is not a ma

Re: Recent Posts

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

This is not a flame.
I think we all learned something.
I tried to show someone not what to learn but how to learn. granted I used a
little humor and hyperbole but some people got what I was saying.
it is important to memorize indiviual stats like which switch runs IOS, but
i think it is more important to tell people that what ever the command set
if you know what the thingie can do you will be all right.
Now ain't that better than asking which switch runs IOS any study guide will
tell you that. That ain't learning that is memorizing.
I personally started one of those strings and I don't feel like I was being
flamed we was just funning we all love each other group hug!!
Duck
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:00 PM
Subject: Recent Posts


> It seems to me that there has been a marked increase in the percentage of
> flames and other venom-laden posts recently (see threads about visas,
'cisco
> switches', etc.).  This list is a great resource, but trying to read
through
> and understand the volume of daily posts can be difficult under ideal
> conditions.  When the the good information gets buried within dozens of
> messages that are the equivalent of electronic spit, I find it difficult
to
> get through the list without skipping many posts.  I guess what I am
trying
> to say is that if we can collectively keep the flames to a minimu, we can
> all get more out of the list.
>
> (Proceed with flaming me
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Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Yeah but if he gets his date and passes you will all think he walks on
water.
This is the american way to pay for what you want.
Hope you find someone to swap.
Duck
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Subject: RE: CCIE lab date swap FOR MONEY


> I think this mail account should be suspended at least
> for a while, this is insulting.
>
> --- RHM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Looking for love in all the wrong places
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > damien
> >   Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:13 PM
> >   To: Kenny Sallee; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR
> > MONEY
> >
> >
> >   the last time I was  here it was a Study Group not
> > a prostitution/ dating
> > service.  :~)
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kenny Sallee
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 4:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: CCIE lab date swap FOR
> > MONEY
> >
> >
> > OK since there were no responses I'll pay 50
> > dollars for a November date
> > and 100 dollars for October!  After the swap is
> > complete of course.
> >
> > Kenny
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: Kenny Sallee
> >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:39 AM
> >   Subject: CCIE lab date swap
> >
> >
> >   I'm scheduled for Jan 13th in San Jose.  If
> > anyone would like to swap
> > dates with me preferrably in October/November please
> > email or call me.
> >
> >   Thanks
> >
> >   Kenny
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   503-205-1404
> >
> >
> >
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Re: >>> CCO LOGIN REQUIRED <<<< Please help <<

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I believe the best way to get a CCO login is to talk to your Cisco rep.
Duck
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 12:42 AM
Subject: >>> CCO LOGIN REQUIRED  Please help <<<


> Dear friends,
> 
>  I have required the CCO login, kindly reply directly to my e-mail
> address below, if you have CCO login or I can trade off it against
> anyhitng you require.
> 
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Re: CCNA for dummies

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

The A+ for dummies was great too, don't let the for dummies title fool you
Duck
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From: Jay Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Erik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: CCNA for dummies


> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Erik wrote:
>
> > Has anyone used this book? Is it even worth looking into for study
material?
> > I was thinking of getting it because it is %20 off at most bookstores.
> > Thanks for any input!
>
> I haven't seen that one, but as a rule the "For Dummies" books have a
> surprising amount of good information.   It's probably worth the
discounted
> price.   I bought the Red Hat Linux for Dummies because it had the CDs and
> the price was right, and found the book useful and well laid out.
>
> If I recall correctly the book came out just before the transition from
> CCNA 1.0 to CCNA 2.0, so it may not be quite on-target for the current
> objectives but should be close.
>
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Re: a stupid question but need an answer!!

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

- Original Message -
From: Matt C. Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:44 PM
Subject: a stupid question but need an answer!!


>
>
> What is the difference between these commands?
>
> ip default-gateway
This is used to set a default gateway
>
> ip default-network 10.0.0.0
This is used to define a static default network. It is used in tandem with
the ip route command
ex.
ip route 15.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 20.20.20.1
ip default-network 15.0.0.0
now instead of sending traffic to an interface you are sending traffic to a
network this would be used to direct traffic along a certain path
this is used when you can't get individual subnets into a routing table such
as with rip. a packet with an address for the 15.15.0.0 255.255.0.0 subnet
would use this route because 15.0.0.0 would be the longest match in the
table. once it reaches the 15.0.0.0 network it could be routed because an
interface knows its subnet
>
> ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0  x.x.x.x - this would be the interface to use
This sets up a default route because it would be the longest match and any
traffic not matched in the routing table would use this.
>
> Why would you use one over the other?
>
> Thanks
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Re: www.virtualcircuit.com

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

they got some good links
Duck
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:18 PM
Subject: www.virtualcircuit.com


> www.virtualcircuit.com WOW!!!
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Re: CCNA Materials

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I think the latest version cisco ccnav2.1.3 but that may still be in beta
as far as cheaply everything is so expensive considering the authors sit and
type all day i mean they are like 50 bucks for a 600 page book
where they use big fonts and alot of diagrams
Duck
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:33 PM
Subject: CCNA Materials


> Is 2.0 the latest CCNA version?
> Can anyone please help me locate a study guide or something cheaply??
>
> Thank you in advance 
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Re: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class Training nightmare

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I agree totally, that instructor should have his feet held to the fire.
I just had a bad experience at some training and I hit the roof. The course
outline was not followed and the portions I really needed were just glossed
over because of time restraints and instructor stupidity. The worst part was
that the organization giving the training had internal people in the class.
It was supposed to be a network boot camp to support a Digital TV headend
which included the OSI, TCP/IP, Cisco routers, Unix Administration, and ATM,
all of which are used to support a Digital headend. Of course these recent
collage grads just hired by this organization had no clue so we spent three
days going over the OSI and IP addressing AGAIN A. Best
part the instructor was dead wrong about some major things but was unwilling
to budge when reasoned with. He said that physical addressing does not
happen at the Data-link layer and then used Frame as an example but then
said the data-link handled error-correction and I said not frame-relay, he
didn't get what I was trying to say. I believe on an Ethernet network
physical addressing happens at the data-link layer. I don't think he
understood the concept of the OSI. It is just a MODEL. So this is how it
went for three days, which in the course outline said was to be about 1 and
1/4 days to end at 10:30 am of the second day, not 8 am of the forth day.
Instead of showing us where the app's loaded and how to configure them for
the system and what processes are loaded and why and when they should be
stopped and where the logs were and what they mean, all good stuff for a
Unix admin supporting the DTV platform, the Unix training consisted of CD,
LS and VI again!!AHH what a moron!!!
I've seen better sales presentations of ATM than his training, unbelievable.
The best part was that I was the only outside customer there and I came with
a solid data background, the internal people, it was the first time through
and they lapped it up like puppies. Nobody talked to me during break cause
they thought I was the bad guy because I could only sit there quietly so
long before I had to call him on his huge errors. Oh another big one was
that he said that OSPF uses STP algorithm and there is a root router. I
tried to reason with him that, that would defeat the purpose of the SPF part
if all routers had to check in with a root, no all routers run their own SPF
tree with themselves as root. I think he was confused with a DR, nothing to
do with each routers path selection just a way of managing the topology
database on multiple access networks (ie. Ethernet). When I tried to explain
this I thought his head was going to pop. Enough for now Thanks for the vent
space. My company paid for this training but I view it as though it is my
money, that is why I have such a good ride here.
Duck
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From: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Ledwidge, Feargal' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class


> I'm taking a Global Knowledge course on the BCSN this Monday!
> If the instructor tries leaving early, I would NOT be as calm about it as
> you!  My course is 5 days, but I will have someone's head if ANY of them
are
> cut short :-)
> Although my company is flipping the bill for this, it is a lot of money,
and
>
> if any class is cut short, I will expect either a full refund, or another
> course...
> I think you should be complaining to someone in administration!!!
> Get your money back!  That is very unfair!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ledwidge, Feargal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
>
>
> I talked to a GK instructor recently regards some bad experiences with GK.
> He suggested directing specific complaints to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thats Chuck Terrien who is the VP responsible for Cisco training.
> Alternatively - you can call any GK number and do a lookup on the name and
> be tranferred to his office.
>
> Speak your mind 
>
> Feargal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Casey Fahey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:45 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
>
>
>
> There is an easy way to deal with the instructor leaving early issue...
Let
>
> GK know that it is NOT acceptable to cut the labs out of the class and
that
> you need to retake the class.
>
> And since you are way too busy to take another week out of work, your ol'
> buddy, ol' pal Casey will be coming in your place.  : D
>
> Have a good one,
>
> Casey
>
> >From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Cisco Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Report - Global Knowlege BGP class
> >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:17:13 -0700
> >
> 

Re: viso shapes

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

What
Duck
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:59 AM
Subject: viso shapes


> Is there a source for Visio shapes for some of the newer cisco gear?
Either
> commerical or freeware will work.  Note that I'm not asking for pirated
> copies of anything, just a pointer to where I can purchase them.  Thanks!
>
> Henry Malmgren
> Network Engineer
> TManage Inc.
> (512) 794-6531
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Re: CCIE Questions...

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Wrong again john some of us beleive in the certification process. We work
hard to acheive the cert and don't want the process tainted more than it is.
Seems to me the only people that don't care about the nda ARE THE PAPER
TYPES and the ones who have no experience in networking but think they
should get a job because they remembered some facts. Thats what we like
about the ccie program, no pretenders just the lab and those standing. when
i pass it will be because I qualified, me "Donald B Johnson Jr" not because
I broke the nda.
hey here is a good question
Any CCIE that passed the lab without any hands on experience please tell us
how you did it not what was on the test?
And actually we did not initiate the certification process we inherited it.
I think from the boy scouts, you know all those badges. god I loved that
handbook.
Duck
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From: John Kaberna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Lori S Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Bradley
J. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE Questions...


> You people spend way too much time snitching.  I bet a lot of you got beat
> up and teased frequently in high school.  Let Cisco worry about its NDA.
It
> doesn't need a bunch of dorky Boy Scouts (and Girls Scouts of course)
doing
> its job for them.  Geez people some of you need to get a life.
>
> John
>
> PS.  You can report me to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when you want to whine
about
> what I have to say.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Lori S Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Bradley J. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: CCIE Questions...
>
>
> > Go to the site www.brobeck.com. They represent Cisco and other "big
names"
> in stuff like this. Send an email to Michelle Falkoff. She's one of the
> lawyers who represent Cisco.
> > Lori
> > --
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:22:14
> >  Bradley J. Wilson wrote:
> > >I looked up the original poster's website...in his "Technical
> > >Certifications" section he's got "CCIE *pursuing*" [emphasis mine].
> Heck,
> > >if I put down every cert I'm "pursuing," my rezzy would be 10 pages
> long...
> > >
> > >Anyway, who wants to be the Thought Police on this one?  I'm assuming
> > >there's someone from Cisco who's responsible for monitoring
Cisco-related
> > >newsgroups and mail lists for NDA breaks, but then again maybe not -
what
> a
> > >job from hell that would be.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the study break. ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: Louie Belt
> > >To: 'FRS' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:00 PM
> > >Subject: RE: CCIE Questions...
> > >
> > >
> > >If these questions are in fact from 350-001 then the original poster
> needs
> > >to be turned in to Cisco so that they can "re-evaluate" his status.
> > >
> > >
> > >LAB
> > >
> > >Who is John Galt?
> > >
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > >FRS
> > >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:32 AM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: CCIE Questions...
> > >
> > >
> > >These questions are from Exam 350-001. The NDA has been broken.
> > >
> > >""Derek Chung"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >8q2d0a$8kk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8q2d0a$8kk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Question 1:
> > >> Router A and Router B are configured to route IP to each other over a
> > >serial
> > >> line. Host A is connected to Router A and Host B is connected to
Router
> B.
> > >A
> > >> packet is sent from Host A to host B. A hit on the serial line causes
> an
> > >> error in the packet. Retransmission is sent by:
> > >>
> > >> Question 2:
> > >> During the middle of a TCP conversion across a routed backbone, the
> > >network
> > >> receives a voltage spike and several of the packets are damaged.
Where
> are
> > >> the packets retransmitted from?
> > >>
> > >> Question 3:
> > >> Computer1 [Segment
> > >>
> >
>
>A]---RouterA--RouterB--[SegmentB]--Comp
> u
> >

Re: Need Switching exam tips

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

You got to be tight on HSRP, multicasting, multilayer switching, bridging
and vlans know campus design, switch architecture, cablining and modules
have taken a back seat to more relevant info.
Know campus design too!!! which switch goes where.
Earl - deals with addresses
Saint - manages ethernet
Sage manages other
Samba - manages the bus
Pheonix - manages the backplane on cat 5 1.2 gb x 3 equals 3.6 gbits
backplane
that is all the architecture you need.
Duck
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:16 AM
Subject: Need Switching exam tips


>
> Hi everybody,
> I'll take the Switching exam tomorrow.  I was wondering if some of
> you could give me some tips on the major topics that the exam focuses on
> and what type of questions to expect.
> I have been trying to memorize cables and connection types for
> different types of switches but it is kind of tedious.  Has any of you
> seen that type of questions on the exam?
> Thank you so much,
> Stephane
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Re: Need Switching exam tips

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I got some
Duck
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To: Donald B Johnson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Stephane Wantou Siantou
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Need Switching exam tips


> There is no mention of HSRP, Earl, Saint, Sage, Samba or Phoenix on the
> BCMSN test.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: Need Switching exam tips
>
>
> > You got to be tight on HSRP, multicasting, multilayer switching,
bridging
> > and vlans know campus design, switch architecture, cablining and modules
> > have taken a back seat to more relevant info.
> > Know campus design too!!! which switch goes where.
> > Earl - deals with addresses
> > Saint - manages ethernet
> > Sage manages other
> > Samba - manages the bus
> > Pheonix - manages the backplane on cat 5 1.2 gb x 3 equals 3.6 gbits
> > backplane
> > that is all the architecture you need.
> > Duck
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:16 AM
> > Subject: Need Switching exam tips
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > > I'll take the Switching exam tomorrow.  I was wondering if some of
> > > you could give me some tips on the major topics that the exam focuses
on
> > > and what type of questions to expect.
> > > I have been trying to memorize cables and connection types for
> > > different types of switches but it is kind of tedious.  Has any of you
> > > seen that type of questions on the exam?
> > > Thank you so much,
> > > Stephane
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Re: Jobs

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

One suggestion I would give is:
Make sure grammar and spelling are impeccable, this is a resume not a post
to a news group.
Duck
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:58 AM
Subject: Jobs


>
>
> I had the same experience with the DC area as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
described.  Had to take my resume down after 4 days because of too many
responses.  I am a CCNA with a BS degree.
>
> I only posted on monster.com and careerbuilder.com.
>
> If you have done this and are not getting responses, I would suggest
relooking at your resume and seeing if there is something in it that is weak
or not well written that may be affecting the responses.  I had at least 50
calls from the DC area in 4 days.
>
> I also made sure I posted my cell phone number as the primary number on
the resume so I was always there for the calls.
>
> Just a couple of ideas...
>
> Good luck with your searchKeep trying.  Once you figure out what the
problem is, you will probably be swamped in calls!
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Re: Bye

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

where are you going

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Kaberna 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:43 
  PM
  Subject: Bye
  
  Well the past couple weeks have been fun but 
  reading through over 100 emails a day is too much.  I thought this list 
  might have helped me along but mostly it just wasted valuable time.  
  There is never a shortage of stupid questions and people that don't know how 
  to read the archives to get 80% of the questions answered.  If I have to 
  read one more question asking what book to read for the CCNA or some other 
  test I'm gonna be sick.  
   
  In the span of 6 days I read all the books and 
  passed the pathetic CCNP.  What a joke that test was.  For those of 
  you that asked me about the Foundation test it was terribly easy.  
  Anyone that even reads the material and half understands it will pass.  
  
   
  As far as the whiners, snitches, and morons you 
  know what I think of you.  People like you allow me to command a 
  higher and higher rate every few months cause no one wants to work with 
  someone like that.  Keep it up.  I even had one crybaby by the name 
  of Louie Belt tell me he was going to have me removed from this list and have 
  my hotmail account terminated.  LOL.  Apparently he thought he was 
  so influential that he had the power to terminate my accounts just cause I 
  called him a name.  :)  Nice try.  
   
  For those that I've had positive interaction with 
  feel free to email me if you have questions or want to chat.  
  
   
  See ya.
   
  John

Re: Configuration of 2611 to pass NetBIOS broadcast traffic

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Ip helper-address
may help
Duck
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From: Asad Jafari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:08 PM
Subject: Configuration of 2611 to pass NetBIOS broadcast traffic


> Hello All,
>
> I have configured a cisco 2611 with a 8 port modem card as an Access
Server.
> I have integrated it with Cisco Secure ACS v2.4 for NT Authentication.
> Everything works fine, i can login, ping all the servers, go on the
> internet.
> One thing that i'm unable to do is browse our network neighborhood. I
think
> the router is blocking NetBIOS broadcast traffic to pass through. Is there
a
> command in Cisco IOS that will let NetBIOS broadcast traffic pass through
> both ways(from client to LAN and LAN to clients).
>
> Thanks.
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Re: US DOD. How do they do it?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I think they got the network that loses e-mail
Duck
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From: wdwdawd wadwadad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:40 PM
Subject: OT: US DOD. How do they do it?


> Are there any listers with knowledge of Defense
> networks out there.  I am working with a defence type
> organisation (western world; not saddam!) and need
> info on how the US DOD use cisco in their services.  
> 
> For example do they rely on cisco's implementation of
> IPSEC for non classified traffic or do they just send
> in the clear on a private network.  
> Do they utilise public networks.  
> Do they utilise THE public network eg VPNS to remote
> sites?
> Do they outsouce portions of there network for
> "connectivity only" and implement their own controlled
> security at higher layers?  
> 
> I guess the minimum level of security for even
> non-class info would be 3des and classified would be
> sent on a completely seperate hardware (kgxxx)
> encryption based network.  
> 
> Do they utilise the catalyst range of switches and if
> so how do they maintain high levels of security at
> layer 2.  What stops the cleaner plugging in his
> lappie, dhcp'ing an address and shoot'n some nukes?
> 
> Are there any US DOD public web pages on how they use
> cisco technology?  
> 
> There are many examples of other types of organisation
> (not in the killing industry) that also have a
> requirement for TOP SECRET levels of network security.
>  Are there any public web sites with examples of
> implementations?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: access list command

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I think that would let all traffic through
Duck
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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: access list command


> Hi
> 
> what does the "access-list 100 permit ip host 0.0.0.0 host 0.0.0.0"
> applied to an interface do?
> 
> Is it only permitting the default route going through ?
> 
> Thanks in advanced
> 
> Hubert
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ccnp 2.0 videos

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I am thinking about purchasing a CCNP 2.0 video set from 
Keystone learning systems.
Has anybody used these videos, if so could you please review 
them for me before I make my decision.
Thanks    
Duck

Re: CatOS or IOS?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

if you go with the ios you only need to learn one command set for all your
devices.
also eventually all cisco gear will be ios based.
Duck
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From: Ray Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:45 AM
Subject: CatOS or IOS?


> Hi Folks,
>
> I have recently purchased a Catalyst 6509 to replace
> one of my Catalyst 5000's. I've noticed that you have
> the choice to run CatOS 5.x as usual or convert the
> whole switch over to IOS 12.x. I've also been buying
> some of the new Catalyst 3548-XL's and they too
> run the IOS 12.x image's. My question to the group
> is: what would be the advantages/disadvantages of
> either software?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Lovett
> Network Engineer
> The Richards Group
> Dallas, TX
> 214.891.5841
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Re: I screwed up?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

copy tftp to flash
- Original Message -
From: Cornell Dyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:13 PM
Subject: I screwed up?


> Help!
>
> I just passed the CCNA and got a job one week ago.  Today I was given a
2600
> router ( IOS 12.0 - BP 11.3) to do some basic configurations.
>
> After the configurations I copy running-config to startup-config.
> I noticed a message that said somthing like..You must delete Flash before
> the configuration can be saved... I hit the return key and I think the
flash
> was deleted or somthing.
>
> Now everytime I restart the router I get the following message:
>
> UNABLE TO LOAD FLASH
>
> How can I get the flash back?
>
> THANKS FOR YOUR HELP
> Cornell
>
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Re: OT - IDSL Bridge

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Title: OT - IDSL Bridge



you could by a linksys dsl/cable modem router that has 4 
ethernet ports, about $150. if you put a hub behind it you can do up to 254 
addresses.
duck

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Guyler, Rik 
  [EESUS] 
  To: Cisco Groupstudy (E-mail) 
  Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:41 
  AM
  Subject: OT - IDSL Bridge
  
  I ordered an IDSL line for my house and the ISP tells me that 
  I will receive a Copper Mountain bridge (router not available for residential 
  service).  Does anybody know what possible bad things could happen if I 
  quietly remove the bridge and replace it with, say, a Cisco 804?  I sure 
  would like to use the 804, but since one of the interfaces is IDSL, I can't 
  leave the bridge inline and there are no "low" cost (~$400) options for dual 
  Ethernet interface Cisco routers.
  If this is a bad idea, please tell me your thoughts via direct 
  email.  I know very little about xDSL, so any help is 
  appreciated!
  -- Rik Guyler 

Re: STP question

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

If you are routing you are not concerned with stp or if you are bridging
then it will shut down the loop no matter when you activate the interface
Duck
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Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:02 AM
Subject: STP question


>
> Does STP only stop loops when the router boots?  If I am building a loop
> network, and then I boot up the final router with only one interface
> plugged in (so it is not yet a loop), and then plug in the other interface
> after the fact, what will happen?  Will the other interface start in
> blocking or forwarding mode?  The book I am using does not seem clear on
> this.
>
> --
> Jon Mitchell
> Systems Engineer, Subject Wills & Company
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Re: RIF RII Please help!

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Hi ALL
I have instructed different courses in the past and think the objective of
teaching things in the real-world should be balanced with things that could
be categorized theory, old or legacy. Imagine day one new students in your
class and you start talking VLSM and OSPF design issues.
DUCK
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From: Thomas Lisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: RIF RII Please help!


> Priscilla,
>
> Since when has "real world" ever had anything to do with it?  Case in
point,
> Cisco still has us teaching (and is testing based on it) classful
addressing in
> our academy!
>
> Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
> Community College of Southern Nevada
> Cisco Regional Networking Academy
>
>
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> > At 08:27 AM 9/28/00, you wrote:
> > >Is there any easy way to understand how the RIF and RII work?
> >
> > Get a protocol analyzer and let it do it for you. Seriously. If the
tests
> > are still asking you to decode RIFs by hand, this is really silly. You
will
> > have very little need for this skill in the real world, if you ask me.
> >
> > If the tests do expect you to decode a RIF by hand, (I can't remember if
> > they do or not), then just remember what the major fields are and how
big
> > they are.
> >
> > Routing control field is two bytes.
> > Each route descriptor is two bytes, consisting of 12 bits for ring
number
> > and 4 bits for bridge number.
> >
> > For more info, see the white paper on this subject at GroupStudy:
> >
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/notes/notepages/rif2.html
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
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Re: Layer3 switching - More Clarification

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

port density for one thing
duck

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Miller, Nathan (AZ15) 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:48 
  AM
  Subject: RE: Layer3 switching - More 
  Clarification
  
  
  If a router using silicon switching (or some other method of 
  internal switching) routes the first packet and then caches information to 
  allow the next packet in the conversation to be switched without looking at 
  the routing table, and a layer three switch does essentiall the same 
  thing are there really any significant differences between the modern router 
  and a L3 switch?  
  Nathan 
  Miller
  
-Original Message-From: NetEng 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 
11:59 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Layer3 
switching
What are the benefits of layer3 
switching (versus layer2)? Can I create VLAN's w/o using a router on a 
layer3 switch?

Re: Palm Question

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

You can use the finger program connected to the palm and type some commands
Duck
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From: Hector Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:22 AM
Subject: Palm Question


> Does anybody know of any Palm programs to help study
> for the CCNA exam?  Are there any practise tests for
> the palm?
> 
> -Hector
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Re: stupid questions

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

no
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To: Kedar Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: stupid questions


> This is hsrp you are describing..
>
> Brian
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Kedar Deshpande wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any way that we can connect two ethernet ports of routers on
same
> > network & have redundancy between them?
> >
> > regards,
> >
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No Subject

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

can we see the config on that one 
i cant get it to work
Duck

  Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
  message 8rv8ve$vp1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8rv8ve$vp1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Just one minor correction Of course you can 
  have multiple router ports on a single subnet!!
  Why couldn't you?!?!?  I just happen to have 
  that implemented here... it's called hhhmmm..
  a backbone!!
  
""Guyler, Rik [EESUS]"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
No, 2 router ports cannot be on the same subnet.  You 
can, however, setup HSRP (Hot-Standby Router Protocol), which will give you 
the redundancy you need.  This requires 2 routers but gives you 
complete router redundancy and not just port/link redundancy.  Search 
for HSRP on www.cisco.com.
Rik 
-Original Message- From: 
Kedar Deshpande [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: stupid 
questions 
Hi, 
Is there any way that we can connect two ethernet ports of 
routers on same network & have redundancy 
between them? 
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Re: about OSPF,

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

There is no need for split horizon with a link state protocol.
What is the command.
Duck

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From: Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: about OSPF,


> At 07:42 AM 10/12/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Actually, EIGRP is a hybrid protocol which means it is distance vector
and
> >link-state.
>
> EIGRP is not a link-state protocol. It's an "advanced" distance-vector
> protocol.
>
> Regarding the main question, I wouldn't think OSPF would need to deal with
> split horizon, but I can't answer that part for sure.
>
> Priscilla
>
> >Split horizon kills routing loops which can occur in either of
> >the 2 so it is indeed available in OSPF. I know this for a fact because
there
> >is a command to disable it in OSPF: no split-horizon ospf, or something
like
> >that...
> >
> >Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >   "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!"
> >
> >
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Re: CCNP CERT !!

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Actually studying, preparing, and taking a certification examination is a
great expreience both professionally and personally. Unless you have
extensive experience working in the field you should take your time really
learning each subject. Anyone that learns the body of skills that are needed
for say the BCMSN test in three days, unless you are working with the
technology you will forget most info in about three days after the test.
They may remember to how to issue a sh vlan command but probally not much
good in a large multicast campus environment. If you have a lot of
experience bang it out, if you are new or learning take your time and enjoy.
Nobody would brag about about a 25 minute ski trip to Vail or a 3 minute
love, well lets not go there.
Duck
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From: Jeroen Timmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Andre' Paree-Huff' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; McCallum, Robert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 'paul brown'
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 6:09 AM
Subject: RE: CCNP CERT !!


What's all this bragging about ??

Isn't this group here to help eachother out with problems and with exams and
stuff ?!?!?

I do not want to have my mailbox full of mail off people who made CCNP or
something else in a few days or weeks or months etc.


sincerly yours,

JT


-Original Message-
From: Andre' Paree-Huff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: vrijdag 13 oktober 2000 14:24
To: McCallum, Robert; 'paul brown'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCNP CERT !!


someone done the CCNP in a day. are you saying they took all 4 and passed in
a day? but never picked up a book until that morning.


André Paree-Huff
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From: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'paul brown'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: CCNP CERT !!


> The answer is it depends.  How brainy are you?  How much experience do you
> have?  How much time and effort are you prepared to put into the CCNP?
>
> If you prepare yourself correctly then it is achievable in as short or as
> long a period as you determine.
>
> I have read on this list some people have done it in a matter of weeks,
one
> person done it in one day!
>
> There is no set in stone answer I'm afraid.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: paul brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 13 October 2000 10:34
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCNP CERT !!
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has nearly (or) completed thier CCNP.How long
has
> it taken you.Do you think 6 months is achieveable. All suggestions greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Paul
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Re: CCIE labs and theory test examples

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I don't think that anyone should be thrown off the list for how they feel.
If you read what is stated it makes sense, I would add, that if you can't
find something on the net you probaly ain't CCIE material. But here is a
hint on that free site, it is a little out of the way site called
www.cisco.com
Duck
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From: Jonathan Hays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE labs and theory test examples


Paul,

I personally am offended with this kind of abusive post and I suspect
others are too. My vote is to please remove this person from the list.

Jonathan

Frank wrote:
>
> While there are free resources out there, do you actually think your going
> to
> obtain your CCIE off of free resources?!?!?  Why can't you pay for your
> self improvement?!?!?  If you're working in fast food, then it's probably
> not
> the cert for you.  If you're a networking professional, who is at the
> appropriate
> experience level to think about such a certification, the you certainly
> should
> have the clams to throw down to purchase appropriate materials.  I'm sick
> of hearing from cheap bastard engineers want everything free
>
> ""Anibal Pita"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi friends
> >
> > Now I'am studying and taking several course to do CCIE practical and
> > theory test to obtain certification. Anyone know WEB sites with free
> > CCIE labs and theory test examples to form me any idea.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > ***
> >
> >  Anibal Pita
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> >  Soluciones Cisco Systems
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> >  Cellular Phone Number: 58 - 14 - 2053480
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Re: Has anyone used Boson's CCIE Written Exam Prep?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I would not recommend the BFQ a total rip off in my mind.
I have used Boson in the past for other exams and found them excellent. They
usually reference a cisco press book or the cisco link for there questions.
An excelent feature. Have not used the CCIE software but if their past track
record is an indication well worth the bucks.
Duck

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From: James Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 6:35 AM
Subject: Has anyone used Boson's CCIE Written Exam Prep?


> Has anyone used Boson's Exam test for the CCIE Pre Qualification Exam?
> I have been going through the Exam Blueprint and recommended reading list
> but I feel more comfortable when I gauge myself with a CBT like Boson. How
> about the software from www.networkexams.com or www.bfq.com, has anyone
had
> a good experience with their software?
>
> Thank you,
>
> James Gallagher
> SBC Communications
> CCDP, CCNP + Security
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Re: Has anyone used Boson's CCIE Written Exam Prep?

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Ton of errors objectives not clearly covered an example the bcmsn objective
clearly states that there is no atm but the test goes on and on with ATM
lane questions.
Also there must have been 20 questions on switch architecture saintsage and
all that, not even on the test.
HSRP and multicasting, mls, not even mentioned.
This doesn't even count the typo's and out right mistakes.
But the worst of all is the poor explanations and all questions point to the
Cisco Internetwotrking Technology Overview web page and the glossary on the
Web site.
Example of resources

ATM lane uses one LECS per ELAN
Source
Internetworking Overview
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/index.htm
Internetworking
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ita/index.htm
A real big help for a LANE question
Pretty insulting huh
Duck
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From: Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Donald B Johnson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Has anyone used Boson's CCIE Written Exam Prep?


> Someone called me the other day from BFQ and tried the hardsell on me.
> Anyways, They seem to have a ton of questions, what didn't you like about
> them? I know that they are way outta line on the pricing...
>
> Tim
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "James Gallagher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Has anyone used Boson's CCIE Written Exam Prep?
>
>
> I would not recommend the BFQ a total rip off in my mind.
> I have used Boson in the past for other exams and found them excellent.
They
> usually reference a cisco press book or the cisco link for there
questions.
> An excelent feature. Have not used the CCIE software but if their past
track
> record is an indication well worth the bucks.
> Duck
>
> - Original Message -
> From: James Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 6:35 AM
> Subject: Has anyone used Boson's CCIE Written Exam Prep?
>
>
> > Has anyone used Boson's Exam test for the CCIE Pre Qualification Exam?
> > I have been going through the Exam Blueprint and recommended reading
list
> > but I feel more comfortable when I gauge myself with a CBT like Boson.
How
> > about the software from www.networkexams.com or www.bfq.com, has anyone
> had
> > a good experience with their software?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > James Gallagher
> > SBC Communications
> > CCDP, CCNP + Security
> >
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Re: CCIE written

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bilal Arif 
  Dar 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:13 
  AM
  Subject: CCIE written
  
  HI, 
  I wana know if any1 knows good study material for 
  ccie r/s written. And offcource some online material which help me focus in 
  the rite direction would be of great help :)
   
  Thanx
  Bilal Arif Dar
  MCSE, CCNA, 
CCNP

Re: Configuration Reference

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

The cisco web site has all the IOS command and config references I think
there is nine or ten.
Dial
Wan
Switching
IOS
IP Routing Protocols
Network Protocols - Three Parts
QOS
Security
Voice
Bridging and IBM
And they are free our favirote word.
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios121/121cgcr/
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios113ed/113ed_cr/
Duck


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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:10 AM
Subject: Configuration Reference


> I was just wondering if anyone has seen a book that has step-by-step
> examples of how to configure access-lists, NAT, frame-relay, and just
about
> everything else.  I had 14 Cisco press books that tell me all this, but I
> was looking for one book that has nothing but configurations examples.
>
> Any ideas would be great!
>
> thanks,
> skin-e
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Re: Vlans over Links

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

If you just have one vlan I don't think you need a router
Duck
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From: Andrew Twigger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:03 AM
Subject: Vlans over Links


> Hi Group
>
> I wonder if any body can answer this or point me in the right direction
for
> me.
>
> I am looking at VLANs and what can be done with them.
>
> I know I can use ISL to link two switches together with even a router in
the
> middle and have a vlan running from switch to switch. I am also sure that
I
> can use 802.10 to do the same. Also if my understanding is correct you can
> only use ISL when all interfaces are fast Ethernet?
>
> Question then, can you set up a Vlan between two switches but in between
the
> switches is not just a router but a PIX as well, so you  have :-
>
> Switch1(VLAN10) - - - -  Router - - -  - PIX - - - - - Router - - - - -
> Switch (VLAN10)
>
> Is this possible? if so do you use ISL or 802.10?
>
> Thank in advance.
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: Employment Opportunity

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

It will be great maybe they could ask them some tech questions too.
Duck
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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Employment Opportunity


> As opposed to those UN-certified CCIE's I suppose.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > We are looking for certified CCIE's to work in our MN or MA offices.  If
> >  you know of anyone interested in exploring opportunities, please ask
them
> >  to check us out  http://www.us.bull.com
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Re: Summarization

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Sorry for the html but I thought color would allow you to 
visualize.
22 would be the answer. A 0 is still a bit so they would 
be common. ( red is the same - black is not) if you used a /12 that would be a 
major aggregate and you would loose a lot of address space.
a /22 would be a good answer for advertising out of an area a 
/12 would be better suited for an Autonomous system
all this red is common all the black is different looks like a 
/22 to me.
> 172.16.1.0 in bin -- 10110110.0001.0001.> 172.16.2.0 in bin-->10110110.0001.0010.> 172.16.3.0 in bin-->10110110.0001.0011.
 
if you used a /12 you would lose all this address space 
(marked in green) that you could use elsewhere.
all the red is common all the green and black combined is 
different but you could lengthen the mask to make better use of vlsm. 

> 172.16.1.0 in bin -- 
10110110.0001.0001.> 172.16.2.0 in bin-->10110110.0001.0010.> 172.16.3.0 in bin-->10110110.0001.0011.
So the real answer is they will both work but what do you want 
to advertise to and will you need the address space
Duck
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: Summarization
> In a message dated 10/19/00 5:53:17 AM Eastern 
Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > 
> > I feel the summarized supernet route should be 
172.16.1.0/22> > > > from the below fig ..its clear that the 
no of common bits in the MSB part is> > 22> > > 
> It can't be 172.16.1.0/22 because the address of 172.16.2.0 does not 
share a > 1 bit with the rest. I thought it was supposed to be the 
leftmost common > "bit" for the mask. If so, wouldn't it then be 
172.16.0.0/12. If you say it's > 22 then it's not the leftmost common 
bit, it's the leftmost > common...umm...space. ;)   Can 
somebody give a positive answer? Thanks...> > 172.16.1.0 in bin 
-->10110110.0001.0001.> 172.16.2.0 in 
bin-->10110110.0001.0010.> 172.16.3.0 in 
bin-->10110110.0001.0011.> > > Mark 
Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   "If you need luck, apparently you're not 
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>    ~Mark Zabludovsky~> > 
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Re: Possible phony CCIE

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Maybe cisco checked this out and found out that he /she is a ccie.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: Possible phony CCIE


> Greetings-
>
>
> I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He
> even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is the
> CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the words
> Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking
this
> person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his
> apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his
CCIE
> number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I
> faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in
> the CCIE program at Cisco.  She told me the card is bogus and that she
would
> send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this
> person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should
do
> now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is
> charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have enough
> knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of
my
> cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't
doing
> anything to protect us here.
>
> Mark Cohen
> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
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Re: Possible phony CCIE

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

What are you kidding with this one. This guy don't know about a bug in
software and you think he is not a ccie.
Then after this blather you make the brilliant statement this is what the
data center manager told me.
You were playing with the network and you brought down the firewall and you
want to check somebody elses credentials.
Or maybe there is a valid reason to ping a large number of hosts
simultaneously, could you tell us what that reason is.
Duck
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From: Mark Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Raul F. Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE


> Raul-
>
> I brought down the local checkpoint firewall by pinging an large number of
> hosts simultaneously. I asked him (the bogus ccie) why he thought that
would
> bring down the firewall? His reply? "The fact that I pinged more than 50
> hosts rapid fire caused the NT and Solaris servers on the LAN to start
> flooding the wire with excessive SMB traffic, and since the firewall saw
> that much SMB traffic it thought I was an intruder and shut down the
> interface I was attached to." Real reason: The old Firewall one software
had
> a bug that misallocated memory for packet queues on internal interfaces.
My
> excessive pinging caused the queue to overflow and the software itself
> crashed. An update fixed the problem. At least that was what the data
center
> manager told me.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Raul F. Fernandez
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM
> To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco
> Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
>
>
> Dear folks,
>
> I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the
> person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question
posed
> or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the
> question. Perhaps Mark could be kind  enough to let us know what the
> question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the
> question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he
> should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted
> all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too
> many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work
that
> goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing
> question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to
> find it.
>
> Raul
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Cisco
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
>
>
> >Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets
> face
> >it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about
everything,
> >and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone
> >else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is
lying
> >about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco
> to
> >deal with as they see fit.
> >
> >.02
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Sam LI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Mark Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM
> >Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
> >
> >
> >Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the
> >past
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Mark Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM
> >Subject: Possible phony CCIE
> >
> >
> >> Greetings-
> >>
> >>
> >> I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE.
He
> >> even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is
> the
> >> CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the
> words
> >> Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking
> >this
> >> person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to
his
> >> apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his
> >CCIE
> >> number because I attempted verification only after I left the account).
I
> >> faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone
in
> >> the CCIE program at Cisco.  She told me the card is bogus and that she
> >would
> >> send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this
> >> person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I
should
> >do
> >> now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is
> >> charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have
> enough
> >> knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part
of
> >my
> >> cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't
> >doing
> >> anything to protect us here.
> >>

Re: event firing

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Whatsup Gold is a pretty good program
Duck
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:22 PM
Subject: event firing


> Hi all,
>
> I am looking after a hetroganeous network of 16
> routers and 20 leaseced lines. I am maintaining it
> with management software of SNMPc ver 4.2.
> since the connectivity is critical I am looking out
> for some software which can initiate a event like
> sending a mail to admin or paging the info or ringing
> the cell phone keeping the message ...etc..if any
> extra .
>
> can any one tell me about the such monitoring and
> event firing softwares for network management..
>
>
> thanks in advance..
>
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Re: 2511 Flash Memory Question

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Yeah you can't place an IOS on two flash cards.
You need an 8
Duck
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Subject: 2511 Flash Memory Question


> Greetings All
>
> I have a 2511 with 4 MB of flash in it. I need to upgrade the IOS needs
> 7MB. I tried canabalizing another 2511 I had and adding it's 4MB to the
1st
> routers 4MB making what I believed to be 8MB. But when I tried to tftp the
> new image over I still got an error saying not enough memory, and yes I
had
> opted to erase the flash first. When I went and looked at the flash the
> router saw it as two 4MB cards instead of 1 8MB.
>
> What do I need to do to get the flash blended together to act as 1 8MB?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
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Re: VLSM Problem

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Ted you cant troubleshoot vlsm without configs.
Some things to remember are subnets are different networks, and need a
router.
VLSM is just a way to effectively use available address space. But they are
still subnets and need to be routed.
1. Find out if you can ping local addresses.
2. Find out if you can ping remote addresses and which ones.
2a. Routes have to be coming and going.
3. Also which type of routes do you have. Static/Default/Dynamic
4. Which type of routing protocols are you using. Distance Vector won't
work.
5. What do you care! If you are just the "Server Guy" if your services are
running then your done. Let the "Networking Guy" figure it out.
You ain't getting paid to do it. We on the list are not getting paid to
trouble shoot major VLSM problems either. This is more a group study/help
site.
Duck
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From: Byerly, Ted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: VLSM Problem


> I should have added more info.  All the clients are configured in our org
> properly.  Some clients are on diff subnets with diff masks, others are on
> the same vlsm with its appropriate subnet mask.  some stations ping the
> clients while others cannot, however the clients can be ping'd from other
> stations.
>
> and I did search the archives, any help would be appreciated
>
> Ted Byerly
> System Support Analyst
> San Bernardino County Sheriff
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Irwin Lazar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:27 AM
> To: 'Byerly, Ted'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: VLSM Problem
>
>
> Most times that I've seen this type of thing, it ends being a
mis-configured
> subnet mask on the remote workstation.  Verify that the machine that you
are
> trying to ping is properly configured.
>
> irwin
>
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Byerly, Ted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:16 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: VLSM Problem
> >
> >
> > Ok at the risk of being flamed I will post this question.  We have
> > implemented a VLSM and also have some subnets left over from
> > our previous
> > config.  We are having intermittent problems reaching hosts
> > both within and
> > outside the vlsm.  During troubleshooting if I ping a client
> > by IP I get a
> > time out error, if I try from another machine on the same or different
> > subnet it also times out.  But going to a third client , they
> > are able to
> > ping this machine.  This occurs to different machines at
> > different times and
> > different subnets. The client is functioning properly for the user.
> >
> > My major question is are there known problems with vlsm and
> > connectivity
> > issues or could our router be not configured properly.  I am the lowly
> > server guy and the "network" guy refuses to believe the
> > problem is related
> > to vlsm, however we have never experienced this before
> >
> > Ted
> >
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Re: Inverse Mask

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

thanks j
never thought of it that way
used to do it the long way
Duck
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From: J Rowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Keith Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Inverse Mask


>
> It represents the netmask (255.248.0.0) for the network. The easiest way
> to get from an inverse mask to a regular netmask is like this:
>
> 255.255.255.255  fill 'er up
>   - 000.007.255.255  subtract the inverse mask
> ---
> 255.248.000.000  real netmask
>
> So, if you have a 0.7.255.255 inverse mask, it equates to 255.248.0.0.
> Likewise, if you had 0.0.15.255, the mask would be 255.255.240.0.
>
> You can also take the normal mask and get the inverse mask by doing the
> opposite.
>
> 255.255.255.255
>   - 255.248.000.000
> ---
> 000.007.255.255
>
>   -j
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Keith Townsend wrote:
>
> > I need help in understanding inverse masks that are used in network &
access
> > list commands.  I understabd what 0 and 255 do but I get confused when
there
> > is any number other than these two.  For example...
> >
> > network 10.0.0.0 0.7.255.255 area 0
> >
> > what does the 7 represent or specifiy for the mask.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
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[Donald B Johnson Jr]

I like post raisin bran over kelloggs
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Re: Routing protocol timers

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: Routing protocol timers


> Hello Friends
>
> Could someone explain to me what happens when the invalid timer expires.
> And what happens to the route between the invalid timer and flush time.
> For eg in IGRP what happens to the route between  270 and 630 seconds
> Thanks
>
> SV
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Re: Online training

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Ya
You can't get the CCIE with out hands on.
Duck
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To: Cisco Group Study <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:40 PM
Subject: Online training


> Hi, all:
>
> My company agrees to pay me for an online CCIE training course such that I
> could work while study. :-) Do you guys know if there is any good quality
> CBT based CCIE courses out there?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> -Ya
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Re: Online training

[Donald B Johnson Jr]

Well as someone that has taught along as engineered I couldn't agree more.
If you understand the theory you will easily implement commands.
Keep this in mind though without detailed debug and show commands it is a
long way to acheive cert. Example. It is one thing to know the theory of how
the routing table gets populated but is another thing when you start to have
static/dynamic routes redistribution and then a route goes down what happens
next. You better have a grounded knowledge of sh debug commands.
Duck
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From: Ya Wen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Donald B Johnson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Cisco Group Study <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Online training


> Thanks, Donald, for your suggestion. As a matter of fact, I have lots of
> hands-on experience on my daily work as a senior network engineer. But
> guess what, in my opinion, hands-on means nothing but just some repetitive
> keybord movements if you can not explain and understand thoroughly all
> your movements. To me, hands-on is not hard at all if you understand the
> underneath theories but not just those IOS commands, the hard part for a
> good network engineer is however to be an observer and lecturer not just
> an implementor. Unlike some people in this list, I strongly believe in
> reading and understanding from bottom up. That's why I think some sort of
> training will help me understand better than just studying by myself. Why
> online then? Because I am taking care of every detail of the LAN/WAN
> infrastracture here and just can't leave the office. :-)
>
> -Ya
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Donald B Johnson Jr wrote:
>
> > Ya
> > You can't get the CCIE with out hands on.
> > Duck
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ya Wen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Cisco Group Study <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:40 PM
> > Subject: Online training
> >
> >
> > > Hi, all:
> > >
> > > My company agrees to pay me for an online CCIE training course such
that I
> > > could work while study. :-) Do you guys know if there is any good
quality
> > > CBT based CCIE courses out there?
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > >
> > > -Ya
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