Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Was Polio Vaccine Contaminated?

[1lls0081]

 -Caveat Lector-

Watch for this fast shuffle people.  Could Clinton and Company have been
setting it up that cases of AIDS were actually from the Polio vaccine - if not
one had cued on to the fact of the Arkansas blood?  Also "formalin" is another
word for "Formaldehyde" (from what I understand), which I have links for on my
site.  Check out what Formaldehyde does to the human body, and they were
injecting this.  Does anyone have any more information about "formalin" and
"formaldehyde?"
http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm
Laura
aka The Pied Piper

> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Kingsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Was Polio Vaccine Contaminated?
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > from:  http://www.chronicillnet.org/online/bensweet.html
> >
> > THE POLIO VACCINE AND SIMIAN VIRUS 40 AFTER THIRTY YEARS
> > -
> > Prominent Polio Vaccine Researcher Confirms
> > Suspicions About Monkey-Virus Contamination
> > ---
> > By T.J. Moriarty - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > "This new virus represents the detection for the first time
> > of a hitherto "non-detectable" simian virus of monkey renal
> > cultures and raises the important question of the existence
> > of other such viruses.  All three types of Sabin's live
> > polio virus vaccine were contaminated."
> >
> > "Even the people who received a killed polio virus vaccine
> > could have been infected.  Those papers we wrote were incorrect
> > at the time, stating that formalin killed vaccines were free
> > of simian SV40 virus.  But the new information regarding the
> > killed ones was never published."  By then it was too late.
> >
> > ...competition between the Salk (killed) and Sabin (live)
> > formulas.  Despite common knowledge, both Salk and Sabin were
> > definitely contaminated.  The Salk vaccine had already
> > garnered prestigious appeal as a "safe vaccine".
> >
> > ...the authors estimate somewhere between 10-30 million people
> > of the 98 million injected were exposed to at least SV40.
> > [ "Human Exposure to SV40 : Review and Comment" by Shah and
> > Nathanson, Journal of Epidemiology, January 1976 ]
> >
> > ...current polio vaccines are still grown on African Green
> > monkey tissues.
> >
> > "Is it only a coincidence that HIV infection manifested itself
> > at the same time as the introduction of vaccines that are now
> > known to have been contaminated with simian viruses?"
> > [ "The Polio Vaccine and the Origin of AIDS" by
> > Dr. R. Stricker, Medical Hypothesis, January 1994 ]
> >
> > "Who is minding the public health when the FDA allows drug
> > companies to produce vaccines grown on animal tissue cultures
> > and they don't even know if this practice is facilitating cross
> > species transfer of animal viruses into man?"
> >
> > Over the past fifteen or more years, the immune system has been
> > increasingly more challenged.  Indefensible disorders such as AIDS
> > and HIV as well as conditions like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS)
> > and Persian Gulf War-Related Illnesses are the new epidemics of the
> > Silicon Age.  By comparison, the days of polio and small pox
> > epidemics seem crudely forgiving when we consider that today's
> > viral mutants repeatedly outsmart gains made in vaccine development.
> >
> > However, it seems the days of polio are still with us -- not in the
> > form of acute viral outbreaks of fever and paralysis -- but in the
> > "uncharted" data on the long-term effects from the simian (monkey)
> > viral contaminated polio vaccines given to countless children and
> > adults three decades ago.  Even more, what other "undetectable"
> > monkey viruses have been transmitted in the vaccine batches of
> > late?  These unanswered questions continue to resurface in today's
> > research and still riddle retired scientist Ben Sweet.  "No one
> > really knows if there are any dangers, but no scientist can
> > definitively say there aren't any, that is what's scary," says
> > Sweet.
> >
> > As a senior research scientist for a major pharmaceutical company
> > from 1959 to 1964, Dr. Sweet was one of those responsible for the
> > research, development and field testing of the killed respiratory
> > virus vaccine.
> >
> >
> > Contaminated Polio Vaccines
> >
> > Scientific literature states that some polio vaccines given between
> > 1955 and 1961 may have contained low-levels of live monkey viruses.
> > As many as 26 of the simian contaminants were readily detected but
> > still other viruses, like SV40 slipped past rigorous quality
> > control testing procedures available at that time.  The simian
> > viruses were inadvertently introduced into the vaccine pool because
> > the polio virus was grown in monkey (Rhesus

[CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: [fpe] RightWay Law Announces A "Call to Action"]

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Subject: Fw: [fpe] RightWay Law Announces A "Call to Action"



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Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:15 AM
Subject: [fpe] RightWay Law Announces A "Call to Action"


The following is an unusually long message, but NEEDS to be read BY ALL.

spot=20

THE REST OF THE STORY
BEHIND THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT
THE YEAR OF RELEASE

  The issue concerning the "Clinton Impeachment" process is really
not about William Jefferson Clinton as much as it is about whether the
People of the Nation called the United States of the America want to
choose to go back to the Lawful Republic, or choose to remain in the
military-bankrupt-democracy. The "Clinton Impeachment" process is
merely a vehicle used by the creditors of the bankrupt UNITED STATES to
see if the American People want to elect to set aside the international
Law bankruptcy under an operation of Law, or whether the American People
want to choose to continue as a subject of the creditor.

 Many members for Right Way have sent to the Senators sitting
within the judiciary committee a Lawful Protest. The goal was to make
it known

   BY THESE PRESENTS, We, the free People of the several freely
associated united States of America, in correct public capacity as
beneficiary of the Original Jurisdiction, do bring forth, and place
before you and each of you, and make appear, in deed, upon the public
and private record(s) served by this presentment of NOTICE OF LAWFUL
PROTEST to wit;

 No one within this assembly since the referral by Judge Starr on
September 9, anno Domini 1998, has defined which constitution the
articles of impeachment have been brought under.

 No one within this assembly has Lawfully Objected, pursuant to
Original Jurisdiction, and their oath of office; to a censure for
William Jefferson Clinton as unconstitutional in that the term "censure"
is not mentioned within the Constitution for the united States of
America: anno Domini 1787, with articles of Amendment, anno Domini 1791.

  Is it the will of this Congress assembled to be in contempt of
the Constitution for the united States of America: anno Domini 1789,
Amended anno Domini 1791?

Is this Congress assembled choosing to function under the
Constitution for the United States, anno Domini 1871?

   We, the free People of America, DEMAND that you and each of you
now have firsthand personal knowledge of this LAWFUL PROTEST having
power, authority, and opportunity to prevent, or aid in preventing,
wrongs, damage, injury to the free People of America.

Remove any and all barriers, impediments, statutes, rules,
regulations, and or laws, which stand in the way of the free American
People having access to Original Jurisdiction remedy, including the
articles of impeachment on an instanter basis in Original Jurisdiction
venue, pursuant to the Original Agreement known as: Constitution for
the United States of America, anno Domini 1789, with Articles of
Amendment, anno Domini 1791.

NOTICE

   Notice to each and all, by these Presentments, who have eyes to
see and ears to hear, should this NOTICE OF LAWFUL PROTEST not be timely
responded to, within ten days of your receipt, by this Senate Judiciary
Committee, it will be deemed, by your silence, the presumption of
implied assent to the fact that Congress is operating under the

Constitution of the United States, anno Domini 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE]

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Robert Tatman wrote:
>June, I don't know if this was the practice when you got your shot, but when I
>got my flu shot a couple of months ago, I had to sign a sheet stating that I
>had been informed of the possible side effects of the vaccine. Yes, it *can*
>give you a full-blown case of the flu, although the odds of that happening are
>low; you were one of the cases where it *did* happen.

This was more than 20 years ago...

But every year, any place I'm working pushes flu shots on the employees,
and without fail most of those who get the shots come down with very bad
cases of the flu a short time later

This happened where I was working last year...one of the strongest pushes
for flu shots I'd ever seen, they had booths set up right outside the
elevator landing, on the way to the cafeteria, where it was impossible to
ignore...and they had this setup for any one desiring a 'walk up' shot,
for one full week, with daily announcements via email and paper flyers
for everyone to get their shots

Everyone who sat around me got a shot...within a couple of weeks, all
were not only sick, but VERY sick, for a VERY LONG TIME...

I also got sick...probably because I was surrounded by all these sick
people...but I wasn't any more ill than those who'd taken the shot...

No, I still have seen no evidence for its effectiveness, not to warrant
all the potential health risks it can cause...


June

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[CTRL] Fw: (whiteoak) Celtic Cross, KKK, Aryan Nations, Scotland

[Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard]

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-Original Message-
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:51 PM
Subject: (whiteoak) Celtic Cross, KKK, Aryan Nations, Scotland


>This was posted on another list. My apologies to those of you who have
already
>seen it. Unfortunately the sender does not give the web address for the
>original post but I have included his address in case you want to contact
him.
>I am forwarding this for general comment and to make everyone aware of this
>kid of nonsense. I do not in any way support these views (and neither does
the
>original sender).
>Saille
>*
>   From: ForestMage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Aryans & Celtic Cross
>The following is an article which was sent to another list I'm on.
>I thought it might be of interest here.
>
>ForestMage
>
>--
>
>GUARDIAN 30.1.1998> > KLANSMEN TAKE THEIR LEAD FROM SCOTS  GEORGE
>SEENAN
> REPORTS ON US RACISTS' OBSESSION WITH THE  HISTORY OF SCOTLAND
> breeder of racially pure children for the Aryan Nation, recommends
>use
> of the Celtic cross. "it's the easiest way to let other Aryans>
>know
> what you believe without attracting attention from the ignorant
>Jews
>and
> Liberals," she says. On The internet's Aryan Dating page, where
>young
> American neo-nazis can find mates with whom to breed for the
>coming
>race
> war, there is similar support for the cross, held to allude to the
>most
> pure of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Dave Barley, spokesman for
>the
> Christian Identity movement, also has an affinity for Celtic and,
>in
> particular, Scottish culture. From his America's Promise
>Ministries at
> Sandpoint in Idaho, he has distributed 50,000
> copies of the Declaration of Arbroath, the 14th century manifesto
>for
> Scottish Independence. Pastor Barley believes the text represents
>the
> perfect rallying call for a modern-day white America blighted by
>an
> interfering> government, Jews, and racial impurity. He is not
>alone.
> Across the southern states, more and more groups are using
>Scottish
> history as justification for their extreme dogma and for their
>assertion
> of the right to bear arms. "This obsession with Scotland among the
>klan
> and hardcore militia groups has been rising," says Mark Potok,
>editor
>of
> the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in
>Alabama,
> which monitors the militia movement. "These  supremacist groups
>need to
> create a history for themselves that paints them as bearers of
>true
> belief oppressed by a remote government. They see the historical
> Scottish struggle as like theirs." Though some historians dispute
> Scotland's links with the Ku Klux Klan, it is believed the
>movement
> started in the 1860s as a club for Confederate cavalry officers of
>Scots
> descent, before evolving into a secret society to inspire terror
>among
> freed slaves. Many klan rituals are said to be based on those of
>the
> secretive Society of the Horseman's Word, once active in
>North-East
> Scotland. The stereotypical burning of the cross is a corruption
>of the
> traditional clan call to arms.
>  However, militia groups are more recent converts. "It all gained
> momentum with Braveheart, That film is on the shelf of every white
> supremacist in America,"  says Mr Potok.  "The Christian Identity
>and
> klan groups have always believed the Celts are the most racially
>pure,
> but the neo-nazis, by definition not Christian, really got into
>Scotland
> after Braveheart. Now it's often a focal point for
> discussions." When Mel Gibson's historically duboious epic film
>was
> released, the militia monitoring group at Radio for Peace
>international
> in Central America heard so many references on short wave
>broadcasts it
> had to arrange for a screening to find what the film was about.
>The
> group had been used to an occasional reference to Scotland, but,
>after
> Braveheart, its history became a talking point. Hatewatch,an
>Internet
> monitoring group, reports a similar shift. Mr Potok says:"There's
> definitely an obsession. Maybe you guys should be careful -these
>are
>not
> the kind of people you want hijacking your history".
> Though Pastor Barley has never been to Scotland, he has an
>intimate,
>if
> somewhat skewed, knowledge of its history and culture. "We are
>very
> interested in Scotland, very interested," he says. "We believe the
>Declaration of  Arbroath categorically proves the Celtic people
>are the
> most pure of the lost tribes of Israel. Also, the Stone of Destiny
>[where Scottish kings were crowned]may be the very pillow where
>Jacob
> lay to see the ladder to heaven."
> >From his Idaho church, the pastor uses the Internet to distribute
>pamphlets asserting Jews  are the children of Satan and blacks
>are"no
> better then the beasts in the fields". But there are other, more
>extreme
> individuals. The  most famous passage of the declaration,
>addressed to
> the Pope by Scottish noblemen when at Edward 

Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Samatha 'Smith']

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-02-05 20:42:56 EST, you write:

> Hashimoto's is particularly bad, as it is the thyroid turning against
>  itself, thinking it is a foreign invader to be destroyed, and so it sends
>  out signals to trigger the leukocytes to attack the thyroid's own tissue
>  as if the tissue was a virus...
>
>  I've developed any number of allergies since then, again the thyroid
>  triggering the immune system to react to an innocuous substance as if it
>  were an infection...
>
>
>  June

June,

Have you looked into herbals, etc., to help restore balance?  I've heard
of and experienced great benefits from such.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)

[kimberly smith]

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Sno0wl wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 5 Feb 99, , kimberly wrote:
>
> >  The American People (including the "compassionate"
> > > leftists) shrugged it off
> > > and the general comment was "they got what they
> > > deserved."
> > >
> > > Fascism had surely arrived.
> > >
> > > And it was applauded.
> > > flw
>

 Sorry sno owl I didn't write thatI asked what the mathmatical probability was
of knowing 85 dead people who had all died by suicide, murder, or plane
crashes..Don't worry everyone makes mistakes ...just try harder next
timeSincerely Barley

> Now, exactly what makes you think it was the "leftists" who "applauded this.
>
> Seems to me it was the right-wing Conservatives who were most pleased that "justice"
> had been done and the "rule of law" had prevailed.
>
> sno0wl
>
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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Eric Stewart wrote:
>And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by
>destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune
>system...
>
>It would seem you have Acquired an Immune Deficiency.

Exactly.  I was initially diagnosed in early 1983, when 'AIDS' was just
becoming big news...and the more I read up regarding hypothyroidism in
general, and Hashimoto's thyroiditis in particular, the more I kept
running across the term 'an acquired deficiency effecting the immune
system'...the same terminology that was then cropping up regarding
AIDS

Hashimoto's is particularly bad, as it is the thyroid turning against
itself, thinking it is a foreign invader to be destroyed, and so it sends
out signals to trigger the leukocytes to attack the thyroid's own tissue
as if the tissue was a virus...

I've developed any number of allergies since then, again the thyroid
triggering the immune system to react to an innocuous substance as if it
were an infection...


June

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  Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear.
-- Wm. Cullen Bryant:  The Death of the Flowers
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Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

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Careful now-there is this matter of "Totem and Taboo in America" and maybe
as a Millenium Project it will be renamed Bongo Bongo Land. I think you
will have to try <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to find a list to talk about
what one is not supposed to talk about, ie "the dialectic of the
dialectic".
FWP.

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Jim Condit Jr. wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hey! Doesn't this post break the rules? I mean, it mentions that bad guy
> Zundel who's picking on half of the Ottawa parliament. His whole case is
> about that unmentionable area of historical inquiry? Did you all know that
> the anonymous Canadian Tribunal of Human Rights (HA!) ruled that for Zundel,
> truth was not a defense. Just trying to be helpful! Jim Condit Jr.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Franklin Wayne Poley
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:45 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)
> >
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:42:25 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy.
> >
> > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > But you see, Jasiek, this is where I disagree with you and the whole "ZOG
> > Busting" movement. As Pogo says, "The enemy is us". Zundel, Christie and
> > people like them are "demagogues" which means they play on peoples'
> > emotions to manipulate them. Or just think of the "Chicken Little"
> > phenomenon. Even if the sky is falling do you think that sly old fox has a
> > solution? I don't. Without Jew-bashing these ZOG Busters have almost
> > nothing to say. My challenge to them always has been, "Then you tell me
> > about a better society and maybe I'll buy into YOUR way instead of the ZOG
> > way." Until then, long live ZOG! At least it is a system even if it has
> > lots of flaws. The Christie Critters have NO SYSTEM. Zundel is a little
> > boy who can get nowhere unless he makes a big noise. That is why he is
> > suing half of the Ottawa Parliament. It doesn't have to do with freedom or
> > free speech. That is just smoke and mirrors.
> >This is where I also disagree with lists like CTRL which turf these
> > people off. I have had hundreds of people come and go throgh lists I have
> > moderated and not kicked one person off. Zundel kicked me off his list
> > because he can't defend his position and he won't accept an invitation to
> > come onto a list like this because he can't win in a free and open debate.
> > But it's your life. If you fall for the Chicken Little ploy you will
> > suffer the consequences.
> > FWP.
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote:
> >
> > > From: jasiek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: jasiek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > > > You have remember Franklin's words and A. Lincoln - then
> > > > > you can do something. Now in my country is blocked 155 highways
> > > > > and over 60% farmers push the government to create money
> > with no interests and
> > > > > debts.
> > > >
> > > > I have many Polish friends Jasiek. In fact my brother-in-law
> > was born in
> > > > Poland. I had Polish professors in college like the psychiatrists
> > > > Dabrowski and Weckowitz. So I know more about Poland than you think.
> > > >
> > > >  Just make a conclusion of my point. If you don't get a
> > conclusion, then
> > > > > you have join the NWO usury-banking system and after you'll
> > accepted small
> > > > > bio-chip under your skin, because the government do NOT
> > want loose no one who
> > > > > want to desipire into the bush. Finally you can run, but
> > you can't hide anywhere.
> > > > > That is the future in American Nation very soon. Good luck
> > and put some creme on
> > > > > your skin that electronic device will go more easy...
> > > > > Have nice fun...
> > > >
> > > > Don't get hyped up about what US tele-evangelists tell you
> > (like Van Imp,
> > > > Hagee etc.). They play "chicken little". They scare people so
> > they will
> > > > come into their fold where they can pick their pockets. So
> > they come out
> > > > with a lot of "mark of beast" crap. No US tele-evangelist
> > that I know is
> > > > anything but crap with legs. In its wisdom the CRTC in Canada
> > proscribed
> > > > these tele-evangelist frauds long ago. One of the biggest family of US
> > > > moral degenerates goes by the name of Graham. Recognize it?
> > Be cool. Use
> > > > your head and it will all work out.
> > > > FWP.
> > > >
> > > > > ===
> > > > > jasiek from toronto
> > > > >
> > > > > http://w

Re: [CTRL] Welcome to the Fourth Reich

[kimberly smith]

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nurev wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Mike Moxley wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > WELCOME TO THE FOURTH REICH
> > by Michael J. Woodman
> >
> > We as a people have ignored and abhorred the truth of this century. We
> > have forgotten the Third Reich so we are moving to the brink of the
> > fourth Reich. Not in a reunified Germany, but here in America.
> >
> > In order to have a new world order, one must destroy the independence
> > of a free people "for their own good." Today our government has begun
> > the destruction of America as a free people. We are being forced to
> > register long barrel fire arms in violation of the second amendment
> > right to bear arms freely.
> >
> > They have bridled free speech, free worship and free assembly over the
> > past 10 years. Now they bridle the free ownership of weapons of
> > defense. First they register your weapons, then they come for them for
> > "your own good and the safety of your children."
> >
> > I am not a member of the gun coalition, nor a member of the NRA, nor a
> > member of any militia in any state. I am a defender of the
> > constitution and the Bill of Rights. For I am also a student of
> > history.
> >
> > We have passed laws in this land that would have done Stalin and
> > Hitler proud. We have aborted human life and now assist people to "die
> > with dignity" (suicide, or accurately: murder of self). We have
> > legally stopped free speech, especially in the "Hate Crime" laws,
> > which will be used against Christians like RICO has been used in
> > regard to a scriptural stand on homosexuality, lesbianism and right to
> > life.
> >
> > The skin heads are not real Nazis. They are only want-to-be's. The
> > real Nazis sit in the White House and sign laws which they swore an
> > oath not to sign. They sit in Congress subverting the constitutional
> > obligations while writing laws forbidden by the constitution.
> >
> > They sit on the Supreme Court rewriting the constitution to fit their
> > vision of America. They have created new rights such as abortion and
> > uphold laws such as the Brady Bill.
> >
> > People will scream at this report because they fear their government
> > of the people, for the people and by the people. They will say that I
> > am wrong in my assessment. They will say that the Brady Bill will
> > protect us from the criminals. I don't know of any criminal that
> > legally purchased a gun.
> >
> > In order for the state to collect all the guns from the law-abiding,
> > they must first know where the guns are. Therefore pass a national
> > registration package so that the national, not the state, nor the
> > individual, can control ownership of guns for defense even against the
> > current Gestapo, i. e. AT. Both criminals and intolerant governments
> > fear one thing: an armed populace. One of the first things Nazi
> > Germany did to the people was to disarm them.
> >
> > If we do not turn this nation around from its present course, then one
> > day articles like this one will be illegal. I am not some left-wing
> > bomb thrower from the 60s, but a man who took an oath to defend this
> > nation and its constitutional form of government from all enemies both
> > foreign and DOMESTIC SUCH AS THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION.
> >
> > Today we have begun the decent towards the new world order of the
> > fourth and final Reich. You can not have a strong citizenship and a
> > new world order. It is impossible to build this order with Americans
> > owning weapons in their homes.
> >
> > Wake Up America before some storm trooper bashes your front door down
> > by mistake!?!? Wake Up America before some jack-booted ATF Masked man
> > hauls you off in the middle of the night. Since this is a new system
> > you can be certain that it is Y2K proof.
> >
> > Wake Up America before the rule the Department of Defense, Interior,
> > Education, and Justice. Hate crime laws are unconstitutional. They
> > violate free speech and separation of federal and states rights. They
> > also violate the double jeopardy clause of the law.
> >
> > Wake Up America and turn back to true equal justice under the law. 90%
> > of the Great Society and New Deal laws and systems need to be scrapped
> > and not rellaced with more devious legal traps. It is time to take
> > back America or kiss it goodbye forever more.
> > -
>
> This is stupid rhetorical bullshit.
> If this clown is so concerned, he can leave the country like the
> German
> Jews left Hitler's Germany in the 30's.
>
> J2
>

  Here is a few facts for J2..Registration and confiscation of pistols and
rifles preceded the slaughter of 1,500,000 Christians in Turkey (1915-1917), the
slaughter of 20,000,00 farmers and anti-Stalinists in Russia (1929-1953), the
slaughter of 300,000 Christians in Uganda (1971-1979), the slaughter of 13,000,000
"non-Aryans" in Germany (1933-1945), the slaughter of 20,000,000 anti-Maoists in
China (1949-1986),the slaughter o

Re: [CTRL] SKYWRITING FOR THE SENATE TOMORROW !!

[Samatha 'Smith']

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In a message dated 99-02-05 20:27:55 EST, you write:

> WRITTEN IN THE SKY!
>  >
>  >  THIS IS GOD
>  >  CONVICT + REMOVE
>  >   OR ELSE
>  >
Or else what?  Or else we keep the Constitution intact?

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote:
>Wow this exactly describes what I am experiencing.  I am on synthetic thyroid
>hormone but it is a small dose and seems to not be affecting it much.

One's requirements usually increase with age...you should go back to your
endocrinologist and have him or her run some update blood tests to
determine your current requirements...


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Re: [CTRL] SKYWRITING FOR THE SENATE TOMORROW !!

[Sno0wl]

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On 4 Feb 99, , Bill wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> SKYWRITING FOR THE SENATE TOMORROW !!
> --
> 
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> TOMORROW.,..FRIDAYFEBRUARY 5, 1999.WASHINGTON, DC
>
> POINT YOUR CAMERAS UPWARD AT 9:00 AM.   THERE WILL BE A MESSAGE TO  THE
> CONGRESS.WRITTEN IN THE SKY!
>
>  THIS IS GOD
>  CONVICT + REMOVE
>   OR ELSE
>
> Donations for this skywriting event as well as for  two Superbowl banner
> planes were raised in a matter of days from partiscipants on the noted
> Internet political web site, FreeRepublic.com.  Members of the site, with
> screen names like "Seeking the Truth", "Thomas Paine", "Clinton's a Liar" and
> "Ayn Rand",  comment on current events, news columns, and articles.

The world has indeed gone truly mad. Everyone thinks they're God. Everyone thinks
they know what God means and wants.

I guess after God doesn't get his way, all sorts of "acts of wrath" can be expected to
follow.

Haven't some of these guys been on this list?

sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)

[Sno0wl]

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On 5 Feb 99, , kimberly wrote:

>  The American People (including the "compassionate"
> > leftists) shrugged it off
> > and the general comment was "they got what they
> > deserved."
> >
> > Fascism had surely arrived.
> >
> > And it was applauded.
> > flw

Now, exactly what makes you think it was the "leftists" who "applauded this.

Seems to me it was the right-wing Conservatives who were most pleased that "justice"
had been done and the "rule of law" had prevailed.


sno0wl

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[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Cohen again threatens privacy and freedom for security

[Kris Millegan]

From: "Greg Nojeim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Declan McCullagh'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cohen Again Threatens Privacy and Freedom for
Security
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:33:25 -0500

In response to a question by Senator Sessions about weapons of mass
destruction and domestic terrorism, Secretary Cohen at a hearing on 2/3/99
before the Senate Armed Services Committee again signaled that Americans may
have to sacrifice privacy  and freedom for security:

He said,

[snip]

With respect to how do we deal with that, I talked about this before. We
need greater intelligence and that means not only foreign gathered
intelligence but here at home. That is going to put us on a collision course
with rights of privacy.

 And it's something that democracies have got to come to grips
with -- how much are we going to demand of our intelligence agencies and how
much are we willing to give up in the way of intrusion into our lives?

 That is a trade off that is going to have to come and we have to
yet really seriously debate the constitutional issues and whether or not
we're willing to give up more freedom in order to have more security.

 That's a matter for another time.

[snip]

And at another time, it was Ben Franklin who said, and I'm paraphrasing
here, "He who would sacrifice essential liberties for a temporary increase
in security deserves neither."

--Greg Nojeim


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[CTRL] Heinz Vinegar Hints

[Bill Richer]

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Heinz® Vinegar

Milk cows organically.
Clean milking equipment with unperfumed dish detergent followed with a
Heinz Vinegar rinse.  Pipes, hoses, and bulk tank will come out squeaky clean
without any odor, lowering the bacteria count.

Kill bacteria in meats.
Marinating meat in Heinz Vinegar kills bacteria and tenderizes the meat.
Use one-quarter cup vinegar for a two to three pound roast, marinate
overnight, then cook without draining or rinsing the meat.  Add herbs to the
vinega when marinating as desired.

Dissolve warts.
Mix one part Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar to one part glycerin into a lotion
and apply daily to warts until they dissolve.

Remove stubborn stains from furniture upholstery and clothes.
Apply Heinz White Vinegar directly to the stain, then wash as directed by
the manufacturer's instructions.

Grow beautiful azaleas.
Occasionally water plants with a mixture of two tablespoons Heinz White
Vinegar to one quart water.  Azaleas love acidic soil.

Relieve arthritis.
Before each meal, drink a glass of water containing two teaspoons Heinz
Apple Cider Vinegar.  Give this folk remedy at least three weeks to start
working.

Kill unwanted grass.
Pour Heinz White Vinegar in crevices and between bricks.

Remove corns.
Make a poultice of one crumbled piece of bread soaked in one-quarter cup
Heinz Vinegar.  Let poultice sit for one-half hour, then apply to the corn and
tape in place overnight.  If corn does not peel off by morning, reapply the
poultice for several consecutive nights.

Clean the hoses and unclog soap scum from a washing machine.
Once a month pour one cup of Heinz White Vinegar into the washing machine
and run the machine through a normal cycle, without clothes.

Cure an upset stomach.
Drink two teaspoons Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar in one cup water to soothe
an upset stomach.

Kill germs on bathroom fixtures.
Use one part Heinz Vinegar to one part water in a spray bottle.  Spray
the bathroom fixtures and floor, then wipe clean.

Clean soap scum, mildew, and grime from bathtub, tile, and shower
curtains. Simply wipe the surface with Heinz Vinegar and rinse with water.

Deodorize the air.
Heinz Vinegar is a natural air freshener when sprayed in a room.

Relieve itching.
Use a cotton ball to dab mosquito and other bug bites with Heinz Vinegar
straight from the bottle.

Clean lime deposits and calcium sludge from an automatic drip coffee
maker. Once a month fill the reservoir with Heinz White Vinegar and run
through the brew cycle.  Rinse thoroughly with two cycles of cold water.

Relieve a sore throat.
Put two teaspoons of Heinz Vinegar in your humidifier.

Soothe sunburn pain.
Apply undiluted Heinz Vinegar to the burn.

Clean food-stained pots and pans.
Fill the pots and pans with Heinz White Vinegar and let stand for thirty
minutes.  Then rinse in hot, soapy water.

Clean rust from tools, bolts, and spigots.
Soak the rusted tool, bolt, or spigot in undiluted Heinz White Vinegar
overnight.

Turn a chicken bone into rubber.
Soak a chicken bone in a glass of Heinz Vinegar for three days.  It will
bend like rubber.

Prevent bright colored clothes from fading.
Before putting the article in the washing machine, soak it in Heinz White
Vinegar for ten minutes.

Keep a garbage disposal clean and smelling fresh.
Mix one cup of Heinz Vinegar in enough water to fill an ice cube tray, freeze
the mixture, grind the cubes through the disposal, and flush with cold
water.

Clean a toilet bowl.
Pour in one cup of Heinz White Vinegar, let it stand for five minutes,
and flush.

Prevent yeast infections.
Douche with one tablespoon Heinz White Vinegar to one quart warm water to
adjust the pH balance in the vagina.

Clean dentures.
Soak dentures overnight in Heinz White Vinegar, then brush away tartar
with a toothbrush.

Remove perspiration stains from clothes.
Apply one part Heinz White Vinegar to four parts water, then rinse.

Deodorize a room filled with cigarette smoke or paint fumes.
Place a small bowl of Heinz White Vinegar in the room.

Cure the hiccups.
Mix one teaspoon Heinz Apple Cider Vinegar in one cup of warm water, and
drink.

Eliminate odors from used jars.
Rinse peanut butter and mayonnaise jars with Heinz White Vinegar.

Condition dry hair.
Shampoo, then rinse hair with a mixture of one cup Heinz Apple Cider
Vinegar and two cups water.  Vinegar adds highlights to brunette hair,
restores
the acid mantel, and removes soap film and sebum oil.

Clean mineral deposits from a steam iron.
Fill the water tank with Heinz White Vinegar.  Turn the iron to the steam
setting and steam-iron a soft utility rag to clean the steam ports.  Repeat
the process with water, then thoroughly rinse out the inside of your iron.

Remove light scorch marks from fabrics.
Rub lightly with Heinz White Vinegar, then wipe with a clean cloth.

Repel ants.
Use a spray bottle or mister filled with a solution of equal parts Heinz
Vinegar and water around door jambs, window sills, water pipes, and
foundation cracks.

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Bush's man Richard Clarke now Clinton's 'anti-terrorism' "czar"

[Kris Millegan]

From: Michael Novick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Don't they remember what happened to the original czars?--MN

New York Times
February 1, 1999


The Man Who Protects America From Terrorism

By TIM WEINER

WASHINGTON -- Richard Clarke is the White House terrorism
czar. His stock in trade is the stuff of techno-thrillers -- biological
bombs in the Wall Street subway, chemical clouds of death in the
Pentagon parking lot, cyberwar attacks crippling the nation's computers.

Pale as skim milk, his once-red hair gone white at 48, he works long days
and nights in Oliver North's old office at the National Security Council,
keeping a profile so low that almost no one outside his top-secret world
knows he exists.

As chairman of the government's chief counterterrorism group for the past
seven years, he has become what John le Carre calls an "intellocrat" -- a
gray baron who seems to command nothing more than his desk, yet
waves a wand and sends soldiers, guns, money and spies around the
world.

Clarke inspires ferocious loyalty from friends and fierce enmity from foes
inside the government. He wins praise for getting things done in secret --
and criticism for exactly the same. At the National Security Council,
where he landed in 1992 after losing his State Department job in a bitter
battle over Israel's misuse of American military technology, he can
operate without outside oversight so long as he has President Clinton's
confidence.

He has it. The president recently named him the nation's counterterrorism
coordinator, a new and powerful post. He has to try to coordinate
everything from the Pentagon and its evolving plans to defend the United
States against terrorists down to local police and fire departments.
Despite years of effort to pull it all together, this has never been
accomplished. There is no 911 number for the nation.

The mission of protecting Americans from attack, whether by states or
rogue groups, is "almost the primary responsibility of the government,"
Clarke says. He is trying to raise the fear of terrorism in the United
States to the right level -- higher, not too high -- as he girds the nation
against the possibility of an assault from nerve gas, bacteria and viruses,
and from what he calls "an electronic Pearl Harbor."

He has to walk a fine line. "You want people to understand the peril
without panicking," said Anthony Lake, his boss at the National Security
Council from 1993 to 1996.

Clarke has a reserved seat when Cabinet officers gather at the White
House on national security issues. "My name is on the table next to
Madeleine Albright and Bill Cohen," the secretaries of state and defense,
Clarke said. His vote carries the weight of those cast by the chairman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of central intelligence.

He helped drive the decision to fire cruise missiles at Afghanistan and
Sudan in August, trying to strike at Osama bin Laden, overpowering
dissenters at the State Department and the CIA. Now he is helping to
steer secret operations aimed at capturing the Saudi exile, who is accused
of bombing two American embassies.

Clarke also has written at least four classified presidential directives on
terrorism. They helped expand the government's counterterrorism
cadres into the $11 billion-a-year enterprise he now coordinates, stifling
some protests at the Justice Department and the Pentagon, which saw
him as a competitor for money and power.

In his office, where a small sign reads "Think Globally/Act Globally," he
spoke passionately about the threat of cyberwar, invisible attacks on the
nation's computers, a terror so insidious, so arcane he has trouble
convincing corporate chieftains and political commissars it is real. But it is
out there, somewhere, he says, even if he can't prove it.

"There is a problem convincing people that there is a threat," he said.
"There is disbelief and resistance. Most people don't understand. CEOs
of big corporations don't even know what I'm talking about. They think
I'm talking about a 14-year-old hacking into their Web sites.

"I'm talking about people shutting down a city's electricity," he said,
"shutting down 911 systems, shutting down telephone networks and
transportation systems. You black out a city, people die. Black out lots of
cities, lots of people die. It's as bad as being attacked by bombs.

"An attack on American cyberspace is an attack on the United States,
just as much as a landing on New Jersey," he said. "The notion that we
could respond with military force against a cyber-attack has to be
accepted."

Why would anyone want to mount such an attack? "To extort us," he
said. "To intimidate us. To get us to abandon our foreign policy --
'Abandon Israel or else!'

"Imagine a few years from now: A president goes forth and orders troops
to move. The lights go out, the phones don't ring, the trains don't move.
That's what we mean by an electronic Pearl Harbor."

Enemies and allies alike say Clarke wins battles by working longer hour

[CTRL] Updates: Hoffman, Goad

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
The Konformist
Index 04 February 1999

Updates: Hoffman, Goad
Adam Parfrey ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Updates: Hoffman, Goad


The Feral House book, The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of
Terror, hit the news last week when its author, David Hoffman, was
indicted for jury tampering, a crime punishable by a two-year jail
sentence. The crime? Sending each of the Grand Jurors  investigating the
Oklahoma City bombing a copy of his book.

Strange, isn't it -- the only individual indicted by the Grand Jury
investigating the OK bomb was the man who passionately believes the
truth is being suppressed! The Grand Jury came about when tens of
thousands of Oklahomans signed petitions to create an entity that would
investigate aspects of the bombing dismissed, forgotten or covered up by
the Dept. of Justice.

Hoffman's book reads in part like what a Grand Jury investigation should
resemble, in which witnesses and possible criminals are obligated to
answer tough and sensibile questions. The actual videotape of the
bombing, which would clearly reveal the culprits, was never shown or
released. Hoffman's FOIA request for a copy of the bombing videotape
still remains unaswered. Among many other questions, Hoffman asked aloud
why neo-Nazi acquaintances of Timothy McVeigh from the Elohim City
complex, quoted by federal informant Carol Howe of planning to bomb a
federal building weeks before the actual blast, were never questioned or
arrested

Of course, the questions above are supposed to be answered by the Grand
Jury, an entity that both the Justice Department and Oklahoma governor
Keating tried to suppress, but were overruled by an Appellate Court
ruling. Unable to prevent the formation of a Grand Jury, Keating was
still able to have his way by appointing Bob Macy - a D.A. who denounced
a Grand Jury as a "worthless waste of time"- as judge in charge. Accused
by many of intimidating witnesses, and failing to subpeona important
witnesses, as well as providing jurors with false and misleading
information, Macy  saw to it that the only individual indicted by his
prophetically worthless Grand Jury was David Hoffman, who described Macy
in his book as being an unprincipled careerist, yes-man, and blithering
idiot. Judges who disallow crucial testimony, crime labs that fabricate
evidence, and a neo-Nazi who looks almost precisely like the forgotten
fiend known as John Doe #2 are of no interest to the Oklahoma Grand Jury
and D.A. Bob Macy.


About Jim Goad:

He pleaded to two felonies and a misdameanor, and will be in the clink
until October, 2000. It didn't go to trial, so we don't know how his
writings would have been used against him.

Adam Parfrey, Feral House
http://www.feralhouse.com
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe
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Chinese Politics

Dissidents Openly Defy Beijing

Central control continues to disintegrate

BEIJING - A group of 18 dissidents on Thursday openly challenged China's
ruling Communist Party by forming five new branches of the banned China
Democracy Party despite a crackdown on organized dissent.
The move came on the same day as a court in the city of Hangzhou
sentenced an American-educated and Spain-based dissident to a four-year
prison term for sneaking back into China and giving $1,000 to a local
dissident who had earlier launched the public campaign to form the China
Democracy Party.

The developments Thursday are an indication of both the tenacity of
government opponents and of the government's determination to stop them.
While the dissidents said that the coordinated effort by opposition
campaigners in five provinces marked the beginning of the ''second leg''
of their effort to found the first Chinese opposition political party,
the sentencing announcement is another sign that Beijing's senior
leaders will brook no challenge to their monopoly on political power.

In December, the government effort to crush the nascent opposition party
resulted in show trials and long prison terms for three of the party's
most aggressive founders, and a ''reform through labor'' sentence for
another activist. At least three others remain in detention.

''The people's hearts of fear are slowly disappearing,'' said Wang
Zechen, a dissident in the northeastern Liaoning Province who identified
himself as the chairman of the opposition party's provincial branch.

''This shows that the China Democracy Party has already grown deep roots
on the Chinese mainland. There is no power at all which can wipe it
out,'' he said in an interview. He has already been imprisoned twice, in
the 1960s and 1970s, for his political activism.

Among the other 17 activists who identified themselves Thursday despite
the potential for government retribution were Wang Wenjiang, a lawyer
whom the police prevented from defending prominent dissidents in their
trials in December. Before the move to take a position as the ''first
vice chairman'' of the Liaoning branch of the opposition party, Mr. Wang
publicly renounced his Communist Party membership. Hu Shen, an activist
who was briefly detained in China's ancient capital of Xi'an in June
when President Bill Clinton visited, was also among those going public.

Dissidents say 27 party branches in provinces and cities nationwide have
been launched since June.

Wang Ce, a Chinese citizen and longtime resident of the United States
and Spain, was sentenced to a four-year jail-term in Hangzhou for
illegally sneaking back into China in October and giving Wang Youcai
$1,000

International Herald Tribune, Feb. 5, 1999


Impeached POTUS

Clinton Psalms Off Republican Over Brunch With God

by Mark Steyn

"I want you to know that I care for you and I love you," Oklahoma
Republican Steve Largent told the President, "and that's one of the
mysteries of Jesus."
I'll say. They were both at the Hilton for the annual National Prayer
Breakfast, one of those opportunities to flaunt his faith that Bill
Clinton never passes up.

The President's religion is yet another mystery: in one of the most
striking examples of his ability to "compartmentalise", he strolled out
of his church after an Easter service, waved his trusty Bible to the
crowds, and then went back to the Oval Office to observe the
resurrection with Monica in a more personal sense.

Mr Clinton is always talking about "my God", and you can't help feeling
his God is a kind of Vegas version of those Graeco-Roman types: a
celestial lounge act with cigar and martini, unwinding in the hot tub
with the angelic hostesses, the sorta God who knows that what counts is
not how much you forgive but how much you've got to be forgiven for.

At yesterday's ecumenical breakfast, Bill Clinton's God took His place
with more traditional Judaeo-Christian-Islamic models. The President was
joined by the nation's highest-rated radio scold, Dr Laura, author of a
new book on the Ten Commandments and hence reluctant to concede the
Clinton position that at least three of them don't "rise to the level"
of impeachment.

Dr Laura's catchphrase is: "I am my kid's mom" (if you want to learn
more about her, there are some nude photos on the Internet).

The event was chaired by Congressman Largent, a rising Republican star
who was chosen to give the official response to Mr Clinton's State of
the Union address and laid out a compelling GOP platform - he talked
about country singer Vince Gill's Christmas album and revealed that he'd
been raised in a single-parent household. Mr Largent's catchphrase is:
"I am my mom's kid."

Other speakers included the President ("I am my intern's mentor") and
the Vice-President ("I am my President's Vice-President"). Also present
were both the ma

[CTRL] Fwd: just published

[Kris Millegan]

ÐÏ à¡± á
JUST PUBLISHED

SURVIVING THE CATACLYSM: YOUR GUIDE THROUGH THE WORST FINANCIAL CRISIS IN
HUMAN HISTORY

BY WEBSTER G. TARPLEY

© 1999 BY WASHINGTON GROVE BOOKS

This announcement is being sent to those who, over recent months, have
expressed interest in George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, Against
Oligarchy, and other material posted on my web site at   HYPERLINK
http://www.tarpley.net   www.tarpley.net .

I have just completed an important new book dealing with the ongoing collapse
and disintegration of the world financial system. This book contains a strong
critique of the free trade/globalized financial system of the 1990s, and shows
how the American middle class and its allies can fight back against the hedge-
fund financiers through individual self-defense, and by changing public
policy. This is the one indispensable book for the millennium meltdown of
world finance, presented in its full historical context. It comes complete
with strategies for the defense of your family and your country against the
inevitable time when the bottom falls out of the globaloney mania. Here is an
overview:


PREFACE -- My track record as a financial forecaster, with a call for the
regroupment of anti-globalization and anti-oligarchical forces.

CHAPTER 1: THE ONCOMING CATACLYSM -- The ingredients of the crisis-ridden non-
system of globaloney; how the contagion of crisis from Thailand, Indonesia,
South Korea, Japan, Russia, Long Term Capital and now Brazil points to
breakdown ahead for the euro, the dollar, and the US banking system; how the
$200 trillion derivatives bubble and yearly speculative financial turnovers
approaching $2 quadrillion can lead to panic.

CHAPTER 2: DERIVATIVE MADNESS -- The origins and dimensions of the weird
speculative instruments which have been at the center of the crisis starting
with the 1994-95 collapse of Orange County and Barings; a glossary of
derivatives which can help you avoid financial ruin by enabling you to
identify the derivative time bombs which can now be hidden in the fine print
of contracts or investments.

CHAPTER 3: THE $5 TRILLION MUTUAL FUND GAMBLE -- The shocking history of
mutual fund collapses from the 1890s to today, featuring why mutual funds are
inherently even more risky than the underlying stocks in which they invest.
The full range of threats to your IRA, 401(k), and other long-term
investments.

CHAPTER 4: THE DESCENT INTO THE MÆLSTROM -- How the present non-system emerged
from the breakup of the 1944 Bretton Woods system, showing how and why chronic
crises have brought world finance to the brink 40 times since 1967, inflicting
a terrible toll on the productive economy. The key British role in Nixon's
August 15, 1971 scuttling of the gold standard is told in full for the first
time.

CHAPTER 5: THE IMMISERATION OF AMERICA -- How the financiers and politicians
have cut the American standard of living in half over three decades, reducing
the value of a dollar to 8 cents of the Eisenhower-Kennedy era; a full
discussion of the Labor Department's Average Weekly earnings data series,
which proves that the typical American job now pays less than it did in 1960.
This is the data series professional economists love to avoid.

CHAPTER 6: MODELS OF COLLAPSE -- How to understand the collapse phase of
financial markets, debunking cyclical mumbo-jumbo by showing how the Federal
Reserve and the Bank of England deliberately provoked the Crash of 1929.

CHAPTER 7: MODELS OF DISINTEGRATION -- The dimension of economic and financial
disintegration beyond mere collapse, shown through the hyperinflation of
Weimar Germany and of the late Roman Empire. How the policies of the Bank of
England guaranteed that the depression of the 1930s would be permanent,
setting the stage for World War II.

CHAPTER 8: USURY AND NATURAL LAW -- Why a viable human society cannot be
founded on the usury and speculation which underlie globaloney, with insights
from the Bible, the Holy Koran, and the writings of Confucius.

CHAPTER 9: THE AGE OF OLIGARCHY -- The sociology of globalization, in which a
tiny world elite of 500,000 plutocratic financiers attains fabulous wealth
while the middle class is crushed and billions suffer. How and why oligarchy
is gaining ground in the United States, western Europe, Russia, Japan, Latin
America, and elsewhere. Among those responsible: Karl Marx, the Anglo-Venetian
ideologue who attacked the middle class and gave the feudal aristocrats a free
ride.

CHAPTER 10: THE AMERICAN SYSTEM -- The real American tradition of dirigism,
protectionism, and economic nationalism shown through the achievements of
Alexander Hamilton, Henry Clay, John Quincy Adams, and the Populists of the
1890s.

CHAPTER 11: SELF DEFENSE IN THE CRISIS -- How to insulate your family as much
as possible from the crash by turning away from speculative hysteria now and
acting to secure your home, car, tools of your trade, and other property on
which your well-being and economic viability d

[CTRL] [Fwd: Reno: "U.S. officials must match wits with the bad guys!"]

[kimberly smith]

 So now if you store food you are a right wing
extremist?
  Barley  hm




>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carolyn Hart)
> Subject: [piml] FBI Director Freeh Warns of Millennium Violence
>
> Thursday February 4 3:26 PM ET
>
> FBI Director Freeh Warns Of Millennium Violence
> By Patricia Wilson
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI Director Louis Freeh warned Thursday
> that right-wing extremists, religious cults or apocalyptic groups could
> turn
> to violence to fulfill their prophecies of Armageddon as the year 2000
> approaches.
>
> At a congressional hearing on counter-terrorism, Freeh cited ``rogue
> terrorists'' such as Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden -- blamed by
> Washington for the bombing of two American embassies in East Africa
> last year -- as probably the most urgent risk to U.S. interests. But he
> said
> the domestic threat could not be ignored, especially as the millennium
> approached.
>
> ``The possibility of an indigenous group like Aum Supreme Truth cannot
> be excluded,'' he said, referring to the cult responsible for a nerve
> gas
> attack in the Tokyo subway system in March, 1995.
>
> ``With the coming of the next millennium, some religious/apocalyptic
> groups or individuals may turn to violence as they seek to achieve
> dramatic effects to fulfill their prophecies,'' he said.
>
> Freeh expressed dismay at a ``pattern of racist elements'' seeping into
> the
> U.S. militia movement most of which, he said, had no racial overtones
> and
> did not espouse bigotry.
>
> But he discussed at length ``a disturbing trend'' toward the
> pseudo-religion
> of Christian Identity -- and other hate philosophies -- that provided
> both a
> religious base for racism and anti-Semitism as well as an ideological
> rationale for violence against minorities.
>
> ``Many white supremacist groups adhere to the Christian Identity belief
> system, which holds that the world is on the verge of a final
> apocalyptic
> struggle ... and teaches that the white race is the chosen race of
> God,'' he
> said.
>
> Many of those who believe in this credo are engaged in survivalist and
> paramilitary training, storing foodstuffs and supplies and caching
> weapons
> and ammunition.
>
> Freeh said that as 1999 came to a close, Identity's more extreme
> members could prepare for Armageddon by carrying out armed robberies
> to finance the upcoming battle, destroying government property and
> targeting Jews and non-whites.
>
> The FBI had ``little credible intelligence'' at this time indicating
> that
> terrorists, either domestic or international, were preparing to attack
> the
> United States, the director said.
>
> But he added that ``a growing number -- while still small -- of 'lone
> offender' and extremist splinter elements of right-wing groups have been
> identified as possessing or attempting to develop or use'' chemical,
> biological or nuclear weapons.
>
> Attorney General Janet Reno, who also appeared before the Senate
> Appropriations subcommittee, said a terrorist attack using a biological
> weapon might not be immediately apparent with far-reaching impact on
> victims and emergency personnel.
>
> ``In fact, we have found recently the mere threat of the use of
> unconventional weapons can cause concern and panic. Threats to release
> harmful biological or chemical substances cannot be ignored,'' she said.
> Freeh said the FBI dealt with an ``anthrax warning letter'' somewhere in
> the country almost every day.
>
> U.S. officials had to be able ``to match wits with the bad guys,'' Reno
> said.
>
> She appealed to the Senate panel to approve funds for a National
> Domestic Preparedness Office to be led by the FBI to provide
> coordination and a single point of contact for state and local
> communities.
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36ba3cd55fec.htm

Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 99-02-05 09:20:37 EST, you write:

<< J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are
 you a
 >> victim of MK ULTRA?
 >> FLW
 >
 >I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in
 Greece when
 >the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist
 state.
 >Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the
 less. What
 >you have here is nothing like the fear that
 people conducted
 >their lives under.
 >
 >These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys
 ( Libertarians
 >and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There
 are groups in
 >this country  which face a fascist government
 daily in their
 >lives. You middle class white guys with computers
 are not among
 >them yet.
 >
 >Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license
 for a gun is
 >not fascism even if Hitler did it too.
 >
 >Joshua2

 Let me tell you something J2.

 How do you  know I am a "middle class white guy?"

 You know nothing about my life history.

 I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes.

 Do you want to know my defining moment?

 A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed
 American tanks
 smashing, burning, gassing American children,
 women, men live on T.V.

 I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding.
 At that moment I was
 ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an
 American.

 Shortly after, the corporate media and our
 esteemed "leaders"basically
 applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney
 General of the United States,
 the nation's chief law enforcement officer,
 proudly took credit for this mass
 murder.

 The American People (including the "compassionate"
 leftists) shrugged it off
 and the general comment was "they got what they
 deserved."

 Fascism had surely arrived.

 And it was applauded.
 flw
  >>

Once again, flw is right on the money. Gavin.

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Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)

[nurev]

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flw wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >> J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are
> you a
> >> victim of MK ULTRA?
> >> FLW
> >
> >I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in
> Greece when
> >the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist
> state.
> >Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the
> less. What
> >you have here is nothing like the fear that
> people conducted
> >their lives under.
> >
> >These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys
> ( Libertarians
> >and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There
> are groups in
> >this country  which face a fascist government
> daily in their
> >lives. You middle class white guys with computers
> are not among
> >them yet.
> >
> >Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license
> for a gun is
> >not fascism even if Hitler did it too.
> >
> >Joshua2
>
> Let me tell you something J2.
>
> How do you  know I am a "middle class white guy?"

I don't know. Am I wrong?

>
> You know nothing about my life history.
>
> I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes.
>
> Do you want to know my defining moment?
>
> A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed
> American tanks
> smashing, burning, gassing American children,
> women, men live on T.V.

And so did I watch the same thing. Those " fringe "
groups on the Left and the Right are the ones I am
talking about who face fascism. Not 95% of the
folks on this list jumping out of their skins about
fascism which hardly exists for them.

>
> I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding.
> At that moment I was
> ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an
> American.

Really? What the hell took you so long? You are too
smart to think that this is the first atrocity that
America has perpetrated on its own people. I won't
even mention what it did to others.

>
> Shortly after, the corporate media and our
> esteemed "leaders"basically
> applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney
> General of the United States,
> the nation's chief law enforcement officer,
> proudly took credit for this mass
> murder.
>
> The American People (including the "compassionate"
> leftists) shrugged it off
> and the general comment was "they got what they
> deserved."

That's right! And those Leftists are assholes. I
remember when it was the Left catching bullets from
the same fascist institutions and the Right thought
THEY had it coming." Move "in Philadelphia was almost
identical to Waco in its execution and outcome. Were
you ashamed to be an American then too?
>
> Fascism had surely arrived.
>
> And it was applauded.
> flw

I am not talking in absolute terms here. It's a matter
of degree. For some groups it's hot, and for others there
is much more flash than heat.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Joshua #18 (Hillary says it is Gods law to kill babies)

[M Shrum]

All the back issues can be found at the "THE JOSHUA FILES" web page:

http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/



Vol I   THE JOSHUA REPORT   No. #18


"It is God's law to KILL babies!"
- Hillary Clinton

PART 3b of 4
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON...
UNELECTED Official, CIA APPOINTEE
...or AMERICA'S LESBIAN QUEEN?

[REORGANIZING THE WHITE HOUSE...or
REDEFINING FAMILIES and MORALITY]

"HILLARY, the lawyer (her profession alone speaks volues), literally wears the
pants in the family. Talk about craving control and anger! Here we have it in spades! 
So
here we have a polarity shift, a sex role reversal. When CHELSEA CLINTON was sick in
school and wanted to take an aspirin, the school nurse required Chelsea to call her
parents to get permission. Chelsea called her FATHER, not her mother. [1]

"A lone psychopath is dangerous [A PSYCHOPATHIC MOB BOSS running our
country - now, THERE'S a pretty picture! Lord help us all!], but a cooperating network 
of
like-minded psychopaths who follow the lead of an even greater psychopath can be
terrible beyond measure..." [2] Could this be too strong an assessment of our FIRST
"LADY"? Let's take a closer look at this supposedly-devout Methodist.

"...LURLEEN STACKHOUSE...approached PRESIDENT and MRS. CLINTON at the
pre-inaugural prayer service held at the AMEC church in Washington, D.C. on
Inauguration Day:

'When the service concluded, we were asked to stay seated until the PRESIDENT
and MRS. CLINTON departed for the White House. However, as they walked down the
aisle I stood and reached out for MR. CLINTON. 'Mr. Clinton, America must stop killing
babies.' He looked at me with a blank stare on his face. I repeated this statement to 
him.

'HILLARY (not hearing my comment) then came to give me a hug and I said (in a
voice only audible to her), 'Hillary, it's against God's law to kill babies.' She 
stepped back,
shaking and trembling, and then grabbed my arm. Her countenance transformed from a
pleasant demeanor to the appearance of being possessed. Her eyes were enraged as she
replied ,'It IS God's law to KILL babies!'

'I drew back in shock at this blatant and revealing statement. I fully 
expected her
to say, 'It is God's law for women to have a CHOICE,' or other pro-death rhetoric. But 
no,
she was bold and blatant. I would not have believed it if I had not heard it with my 
own
ears. I walked out with GENERAL COLIN POWELL. As the CLINTONS got into their
limousine, I approached the car. Through the glass I continued to plead with MR.
CLINTON to stop killing babies. Again, he had a troubled stare...' " [3]

"LARRY PATTERSON, publisher of the hard-hitting - and highly recommended -
magazine, "CRIMINAL POLITICS," discussed the absolute control HILLARY has had over
presidential appointments:

'According to [the] generally reliable "WASHINGTON TIMES," the three armed
service secretaries have not yet been appointed, because all candidates MUST BE
REVIEWED BY HILLARY CLINTON!! As of February 16, only SHEILA WIDNALL has been
selected by HILLARY CLINTON as Secretary of the White House. She would become the
first woman to head any branch of the Military Service.' [4]

"Patterson also intimated that the White House personnel director, BRUCE
LINDSEY, had no control over sub-cabinet and other senior slots. 'LINDSEY,' said
Patterson:

'...gets his instructions from a mysterious New York lawyer by the name of 
SUSAN
THOMASES (whom we believe is a contractor to HENRY KISSINGER). Therefore, HILLARY
CLINTON and SUSAN THOMASES ARE GOING TO BE IN CONTROL of the appointment
process...' " [5]

"The psychopath can appear normal and traditional, yet internally, be simmering
with uncontrollable urges and passions. The true female psychopath, who is, for
example, a lesbian, may well tend to keep the facts of her perverted sexual orientation
hidden and in the closet.

"During the huge, gay activist 'MARCH ON WASHINGTON' in the Spring of 1993, a
lesbian leader stood on the main platform before an audience of untold thousands of
other lesbians and homosexuals and joyfully divulged this repulsive bit of information:
'I'm going to tell you a secret,' she said. 'HILLARY CLINTON has had a lesbian affair. 
At
last we have a FIRST 'LADY' in the White House that we can f---' [6]

"Was this woman lying? Sadly for America, though this lesbian leader's 
allegation
was detailed during the RUSH LIMBAUGH TV program, and even though the entire city of
Washington, D.C. was abuzz with people talking about it, HILLARY CLINTON HAS NEVER
ISSUED A FLAT DENIAL...

"...this was not the first time that stories of HILLARY's sexual orientation 
have
been published. JACK WHEELER, for example, a respected investment advisor and
political commentator, wrote in his...newsletter:

'My sources indicate that HILLARY CLINTON is bisexual and fools around more
than her h

Re: [CTRL] Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up

[nurev]

 -Caveat Lector-

flw wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> >"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
> >>
> >>  -Caveat Lector-
> >>
> >> In a message dated 2/1/99 9:42:56 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> <<
> >>   THE Israeli Prime Minister caused uproar
> yesterday with his
> >>  election slogan, "a strong leader for a strong
> people",
> >>  which critics said echoed Nazi and fascist
> propaganda.
> >>  Avraham Burg, chairman of the Jewish Agency
> and a candidate
> >>  for the Opposition Labour Party, appealed to
> Binyamin
> >>  Netanyahu to drop the slogan. He said it
> reminded many
> >>  people of the Nazi party slogan and insulted
> Holocaust
> >>  survivors and their families. "The sound of 'a
> strong
> >>  leader, a strong people' is coming directly
> from the
> >>  conceptual framework of the Third Reich of 50
> to 60 years
> >>  ago," he said. >>
> >>
> >> There's an old saw that "We become what we
> hate," and it's been
> >> pretty obvious that Israel demonstrates its
> truth very well.  Prudy
> >
> >This is just political rhetoric.Vladimir
> Jabotinsky said the same
> >thing
> >before Hitler ever came to power. The same thing
> happened here between
> >the Hawks and the Doves during the Vietnam era.
> The parties are
> >delineating
> >there political positions for the election.
> >
> >Don't be in such a rush to compare Jews to Nazis.
> There's still a long
> >way
> >for Jews to go before they reach that level.
> >
> >This should not be construed as a defense of
> Netanyahu. Just a
> >clarification.
> >
> >Joshua2
>
> I don't believe in comparing "Jews" to Nazis.
> Or comparing "Non Jews" to Nazis.
> I do believe in comparing Fascists to Fascists
> however.
> flw.

Me too. I was responding to Prudy's
observation.--J2--

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Re: [CTRL] Nuclear Terror! .. the Clinton Legacy!

[Teo One Thousand]

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How's this for a new cold war policy.  Russia is dead (or so we are led to
believe).  We need an enemy.  China is big and frightening.  China is not up
to snuff in matters high tech, computers, missiles, etc.  So what do you do?
You give China MFN status.  You approve the sale of sensitive and secret
material to China, including computers, encryption data, satellite technology,
and missile technology.  When they have become sufficiently capable of harming
us and are now a big, bad enemy they start to talk the talk; "We are building
new missiles to destroy the US Capitalist scum." (paraphrase) Now we can spend
even more money to protect us from the threat of China which we really made a
threat in the first place.  Brilliant strategy on the part of the MIC in the
USA.
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[CTRL] Skeptic News Friday #3

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SkeptiNews 990205c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Nations review population strategy. AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - With
the world's population projected to hit 6 billion this year, a weeklong U.N.
population forum has taken on a new sense of urgency. Delegates from 180
countries are gathering in The Hague to take a hard look at futures. See
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329965-8ef

: How many people are enough? How many are too many? Will overpopulation be
the impetus for global colonization, or just a smothering blanket? Can we
survive ourselves? Will we feed on ourselves? What have you done here?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Iran carnival features U.S. touch. TEHRAN (AP) A fair celebrating the
Iranian Islamic revolution for the first time featured U.S. cartoon char-
acters, dancing and music - a sign of how much the gov't has relaxed limits
on music and dance. Actors dressed as Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunny and a variety
of animals sang and danced in a procession of more than a dozen floats that
circled Enghelab (Revolution) Square, entertaining a crowd of more than 5000
people. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558332000-7f4

: Does your religion sanction foreign cartoon characters? Are you flexible?
Was that an embarrassingly small crowd for a national independence festival?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Students Find Science Behind Folk Medicine. Field studies in the Amazon
rain forest by chemical ecology students and published in the first issue
of the first journal of its kind are beginning to answer some long-standing
questions: Will lichen tea cure urinary tract infection or even gonorrhea?
Can a bird's choice of nest-building materials boost its immune system? Why
do some Indians prefer the honey of stingless bees over honey from killer
bees? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990129073825.htm

: Should/can all folk medicines be analyzed for efficacy? What doesn't work?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# From The Mind Of Monkeys: New Clues To The Evolution Of The Human Brain.
A researcher has found the place in the brain where we stockpile short-term
data on spatial relationships. It's not where everyone thought it would be,
providing new evidence about the evolution of the brain from primates to
humans. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990127102338.htm

: Has your brain evolved from its prosimian beginnings? Is that a bother?
Would you rather think like a human, an ape, an alien, a robot, a spirit?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Geologist Decries Using Engineering Models To Predict Natural Phenomena.
Using mathematical models to predict natural processes - such as how well a
sandy beach can weather randomly occurring storm buffeting - is a common-
place but wrongheaded engineering practice that can cause real harm, says
a Duke University geologist who studies such coastal dynamics. Insufficient
accuracy - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990127081231.htm

: Should we throw away models or build better ones or depend on Reptilioids?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Technology Historian Takes Students To "Eighth Wonder Of The World:" Las
Vegas. A historian of technology who has studied the automobile, Silicon
Valley and the military-industrial complex has now turned his attention to
what he calls the "Eighth Wonder of the Modern World:" Las Vegas. And he's
scheduled a field trip for his students. Students of probability can come
too - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/01/990126143717.htm

: How many Wonders Of The World have you visited? Is Vegas the best? Which
laserlight show do you like most? Where is the world's best architecture?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Can Stopping AIDS Treatment Work? CHICAGO (AP) The tentative results of
a small human experiment offer a glimmer of possibility that the body's own
defense system can be trained to suppress the AIDS virus. Drug-free regimen,

see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329758-763 ***

: What diseases are best treated with no treatment? What do survivors say?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. Park   Friday, 5 Feb 99   Washington, DC

2. SPACE STATION?  "TECHNICAL PROBLEMS" WITH RUSSIAN MODULE.
It's barely February and WN's bold prediction of further delays
in the ISS can already be scored as a hit (WN 1 Jan 99).  Launch
of the much delayed service module, which until now has suffered
mostly from money problems (WN 9 Oct 98), is now postponed until
at least September.  That will take it perilously close the time
when the first two modules will need a re-boost (WN 9 Oct 99).
Rep. James Sensenbrenner launched a rocket of his own at NASA for
ignoring the recommendation of the Chabrow Task Force that the
U.S. must sever dependence on Russia's failing space program to
keep the ISS on schedule (WN 1 May 98).  Sensenbrenner quotes the
State Departm

Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Samatha 'Smith']

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In a message dated 99-02-05 04:37:17 EST, you write:

> It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu
injection.
>  The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up
> your immune system.
>
>  Richard B.

They tell you you MAY get a mild case, but that it would be much less than if
you got the actual flu.
Samantha

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[CTRL] Bug Removal

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[CTRL] Bid to Make Diana's Face a Trademark Turned Down

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Bid to Make Diana's Face a Trademark Turned Down

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's Patent Office has rejected attempts by Princess
Diana's estate and memorial fund to turn her face into a trademark, a
spokesman said Friday.

The decision appeared to have quashed the fund's hopes of stopping makers of
mugs, coins, dolls and T-shirts from cashing in on the enormous appeal of
Diana since her death in a 1997 Paris car crash.

``The Diana image trademark application was refused,'' said Geoff Sargant, the
Patent Office spokesman. ``This means the estate and memorial fund do not have
a monopoly on the use of those images.''

Sargant said the office turned down the application because it decided Diana's
image was not a product's ``badge of origin'' and had never been used as a
trademark while she was alive.

He said the Diana Memorial Fund had submitted 52 color and black and white
photographs of the late princess as part of the application.

A spokeswoman for the memorial fund said any decision to appeal would be made
by the executors of Diana's estate. A spokesman for the estate declined to
comment.

The fund and estate now have until March 3 to appeal against the decision to
the High Court in London.

The fund's trustees have said they want to raise money for charities Diana
championed by licensing images of the late princess' face on a wide range of
souvenirs.

But the fund itself attracted criticism last year when it branched out into
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[CTRL] NZ to Issue Commemorative Plastic Millennium Bank Note (Reuters)

[Robert Tatman]

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A Commemorative Millennium Bank Note

WELLINGTON, Feb 5 (Reuters) - The Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) said on
Friday it would issue a special NZ$10 bank note later this year to commemorate
the new millennium.

``We will be releasing up to three million millennium bank notes into general
circulation, so that members of the public can keep these notes as millennium
souvenirs,'' Brian Lang, the chief manager of the bank's currency department,
said in a statement.

Special collector's packs would also be available, he added.

``The millennium bank note will be printed on the same flexible plastic that
is soon to be used for all New Zealand bank notes,'' Lang said.

The bank note will incorporate new technology security features, which are to
be tested for future use with other plastic bank notes.

For security reasons, the final design of the bank note would not be released
until shortly before it was issued, Lang said.

The note was designed by Wellington-based graphic design company Cue Design
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Re: [CTRL] The 'responsibility era' - Texas Gov. George W. Bush talks:

[kimberly smith]

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Howard R. Davis III wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Kris Millegan wrote:
> >
>
> > NATIONAL
> > The 'responsibility era'
> >
> > Undeclared GOP presidential frontrunner, Texas Gov. George Bush, talks
> > about his cultural plan of attack
> >
> > By Cal Thomas
> > He fears an economic slowdown because of the Federal Reserve's
> > "stretching fiscal policy by lowering [interest] rates to the point
> > where there
> >
> > may not be enough incentive for consumption."
> >
>
> Does this make sense to anyone? It seems to me that if the Fed lowers
> interest rates there is more money in the economy and thus more
> incentive for consumption. Anybody disagree with that?
>
> Howard Davis
>

  Yes, here's why 40 central banks all over the world hve lowered
interst rates and begun to reinflate since Oct. Reinflation is depreciation of
money by running the printing presses(25% increase in MZM money supply by the
FED.) It is a policy undertaken by gov. and central banks to ward off deflation,
debt paralysis, electoral defeat and bear markets. There is a problem however,
once major deflation gets going, lowering interest rates and pumping up the money
supply doesn't always work. For instance-Japan has had low interest rates for
years and it hasn't helped. From mid-sept. to mid-dec., Japan expanded its money
supply at an incredible 78.7% annual rate and it did virtually nothing to stop
deflation (or start inflation) or to jump-start the economy. Low interest rates
don't stop a depression as we found out in the 30s and Japan has learned. They
don't stop deflation or solve the excess capacity problem, and they don't make
overextended lenders lend more. The creation of several hundred billion dollars
(or more) of new liquidity by the FED cannot prop up a 125 trillion dollar debt
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[CTRL] U.S. Marines, Defeated in SF, Turn to Oakland (Reuters)

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U.S. Marines, Defeated in SF, Turn to Oakland

OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - Faced with a mock invasion by the U.S. Marine
Corps, the city of San Francisco drew the line. Too much mud, too many boots,
too noisy no thanks.

Oakland, San Francisco's neighbor to the east, proved not nearly as
stand-offish, however, and has opened its doors to ''Operation Urban
Warrior,'' a major land exercise next month designed to train U.S. soldiers in
modern fighting techniques and disaster relief strategies.

``Combat operations in the exercise will be controlled and are limited in
scope,'' the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory said in a news release on
Thursday announcing the deal.

``These operations are designed to prepare Marines for the type of conflict
they will encounter in foreign commitments in the early 21st Century.''

San Francisco's brief fling with the idea of a Marine invasion was cut short
last month by officials at the city's famed Presidio park, who feared that
hundreds of troops swarming ashore with Humvees, assault vehicles and trucks
could damage the coastal environment.

While military officials assured the city that the four day exercise which was
to have involved five ships, 6,000 sailors and Marines, and four days of
simulated combat using helicopters and F-18 bombers, tens of thousands of
blank rounds of small-arms fire, and simulated explosions wouldn't be too much
of a distraction, San Francisco decided that maybe it was better off
uninvaded.

That decision put some noses out of joint. Some critics said snooty San
Francisco was being too politically correct for its own good.

``The great diversity hub, which doesn't mind being invaded by thong-wearing
Rollerbladers in veils during the 114 annual Indigenous Peoples Day Parades,
is saying that camouflage is not welcome at least when it's worn by real
soldiers,'' sniffed Ken Garcia, a local columnist.

Across the bay in Oakland and its smaller neighbor Alameda, officials saw an
opportunity.

``If San Francisco didn't want it, we're happy to accommodate,'' said Stacey
Wells, press secretary to Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown. ``Oakland has a long
history of commitment to the military with all of its bases, and this is
really just a continuation of that.''

Under the revised plan, Operation Urban Warrior will take place between March
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[CTRL] Fwd: GENL: Regarding The "Golden Eagle" tax return

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If this is true forget about trading, taking tax cuts for business.  Flat tax,
now I know why they want that idea in there!  Everything will have to be done
electronically.  Tax breaks that everyone knows about , Carrots (tax breaks)
that people use to tell them what is important, what is needed by this
country.  Tax write-offs ... Only for the few, wonder if some would even pay
taxes.  Could be your company sends the taxes electronically from each pay
check.  Every thing is paid for electronically and if you are to be fired that
the companies (mortgage) et are ready to foreclose on you before you even get
your pink slip?  Wonder who the drug traders actually are - they had a big
crack down on food stamps because they were supposedly used to trade for
drugs.  Was it just a way of putting them on electronic delivery?  Were the
food stamp drug dealers actually - CIA or another one of the government soup
agencies?  Who flies those Air Force Jets that are making the contrails?  The
Air Force? - now I wonder!
 READ ON and hold your nose - this stinks to high heaven if true!

Laura
aka The Pied Piper

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> While the budget for updating the IRS's computer system was cut, I am
> confident that the agency has not abandoned the concept of paperless tax
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> System manager stated in 1995 that their system already had the
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> an
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>
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> us
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> credit cards tell us everything about you that we need to know. Through
> interface with Social Security, with the DMV, with your banking
> institutions, we really have a lot of information..."
>
> The data collection system that the IRS was in the process of installing,
> which was de-funded, would have given them the additional ability to
> collect
> and consolidate information from such sources as: "credit reports, news
> stories, tips from informants, commercial databases, and real-estate,
> motor-vehicle and child-support records." This portion of the upgrade was
> presumably halted.
>
> There can be no doubt that the federal government intends to keep
> marching
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> tax-related functions. Eventually, all government transactions will be
> conducted electronically. The federal gove

[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [freedomfight] Fwd: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind contro

[Liz Schumacher]

can anyone help this fella?



Where can I get this tape from this Carrie Drake person?  Does anyone know
her email address?

- Bob

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>After having read "the eleventh plague" by leonard cole. and "the search
for
>the manchurian candidate" by john marks, i m thinking there really is
>something to this
>liz
>
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Re: [CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)

[kimberly smith]

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flw wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >> J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are
> you a
> >> victim of MK ULTRA?
> >> FLW
> >
> >I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in
> Greece when
> >the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist
> state.
> >Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the
> less. What
> >you have here is nothing like the fear that
> people conducted
> >their lives under.
> >
> >These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys
> ( Libertarians
> >and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There
> are groups in
> >this country  which face a fascist government
> daily in their
> >lives. You middle class white guys with computers
> are not among
> >them yet.
> >

 Do you think Randy Weaver owened a computer Obviously, J2 is the victim
of mass  brainwashing techniquesWe live in the USSA (united states of
search and seizures)
   Fascism is the blend of gov. and big businessJ2's thoughts sadley
enough represent most
  of the sheep in this country...we must encourage him to think...(a new
concept for most people)
   J2 let me ask you a question "How many people do you know who have been
murdered, died
   in plane crashes, or comitted suicide?" The Clintons know 85 such
people...What are the math.
   odds of that I wonder...ANYONE???
Sincerely  Barley

> >Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license
> for a gun is
> >not fascism even if Hitler did it too.
> >
> >Joshua2
>
> Let me tell you something J2.
>
> How do you  know I am a "middle class white guy?"
>
> You know nothing about my life history.
>
> I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes.
>
> Do you want to know my defining moment?
>
> A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed
> American tanks
> smashing, burning, gassing American children,
> women, men live on T.V.
>
> I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding.
> At that moment I was
> ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an
> American.
>
> Shortly after, the corporate media and our
> esteemed "leaders"basically
> applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney
> General of the United States,
> the nation's chief law enforcement officer,
> proudly took credit for this mass
> murder.
>
> The American People (including the "compassionate"
> leftists) shrugged it off
> and the general comment was "they got what they
> deserved."
>
> Fascism had surely arrived.
>
> And it was applauded.
> flw
>
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[CTRL] Smog and Health

[1lls0081]

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Intresting article

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/smog990205.html

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control

[1lls0081]

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Think of it more in the nature of keeping the masses entertained.
George Orwell's "1984"
or
Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World"

Could the Activist in the movie industry be - being intimidated too?  Which
magazines cover those people?  Star, Enquirer so on.  Has anyone noticed that many
Pharmaceutical commercials are going to cartoons and not real people?  Do the
Actors and Actresses want to endorse some of those products and who is willing to
endorse them and for how long?

Who needs actors when you can photograph a person and use digital technology to
keep the masses occupied?  Those actors and also musicians might end up being role
models...

Who else makes a lot of money and / or is in the news that might speak against
your agenda?  The Monarchy, Pricess Di, ect?  Think individuals - that we normally
are interested in.  Notice the propaganda?  The grocery store mags.  Every one has
a picture of Clinton or Hillary or Monica -- along side the ones that we normally
are interested in - Dick Van Dyke, Mick Jagger - the list goes on and this has
been happening since for a long time, they managed to get into many isssues that
also covered Princess Di (when she was alive).  Would these people normally want
to be on the same cover with them?  Do you think of  Clinton or Hillary or Monica
at the same moral level as some one that you are normally interested in --
ASSOCIATION.

Laura
aka The Pied Piper

Kris Millegan wrote:

>   
>
> Subject: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control
> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:14:34 +
> From: Carrie Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: International Coalition for Separation of Religion and State
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Tallyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Subject: Operation: WATCHTOWER
> > >From: Tallyman
> > >Organization: KultKrimeFighters(tm)
> > >Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:22:07 -0500
> > >Newsgroups:
> >
> alt.mindcontrol,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc,alt.ANYBO
> > DY!
> > >
> > >Still trying to find out any and all information possible about a
> > >US Govt? Mind Control program deemed -- "Operation: WATCHTOWER"
> > >
>
> > same news reporter tells me that Mrs. Smith indicated to him that she has
> > documents hidden away that give what she believes is the real reason for
> > Smith's death.  He further stated that these documents will appear, if and
> > when, an official public investigation takes place.  It is the reporters
> > understanding that the documents has something to do with CIA and Green
> > Beret personnel smuggling drugs.  This reporter backed off the story
> > because he was afraid for his life.
> >
>
> A friend of mine, David Thompson had developed a strong interest in the
> Colombian Cocaine cartel and Palo Escobar while living on his coffee
> exporting company in Colombia.  When he returned to the U.S., he did
> extensive research to follow up on some of the things he learned while
> living in Medallin, and made several trips back and forth between San
> Francisco and Colombia.  In 1991, he persuaded Rolling Stone to pay his
> expenses to go to Colombia to get an interview with Pablo Escobar, but
> the closest he could get was an interview with Escobar's chief attorney,
> Guido Parra Montoya (who has since been murdered with his son).  When
> David returned, Rolling Stone cancelled out on David to cover Desert
> Storm, so I published his interview in in Mind Matters Review.  He
> eventually got an interview with Escobar after he was captured, but he
> got distracted from that by a deal with Conflict Magazine, supposed
> published by Rand Corporation and a French publisher for a book and an
> article.  He did get that article published on the cartels in Colombia.
>
> On another trip to do a follow-up article and to finish his book, one
> evening he received a phone call from someone who offered the key bit of
> information he needed to finish his book. He was told to meet the man
> some place in Medallin that night.  After a few hours, he returned home,
> stumbling and mumbling and went right to bed.  He didn't wake up the
> next day and was taken to the hospital in a coma.  The doctors who
> examined him suspected poison.  When he was brought back to California
> in a coma, his medical records were lost.  After his girl friend in
> Venice, California received threatening phone calls from the Colombian
> Secret Police, she started telling everyone who knew David that he drank
> himself to death that night when he went out to meet the man who offered
> information in Medallin.
>
> In David's interview with Guido Parra Montoya, Parra stated, "If you
> analyze it very precisely, you might come to the conclusin that drugs
> could become an instrument of the New Cold War."  That seemed to fit in

Re: [CTRL] U$ gives the orders:UK stands up for Gen Manipulated crops

[1lls0081]

 -Caveat Lector-

India knows what happened when their cattle were crossed with cattle that were
suppose to have more milk, ect.  They had a breed that was heat resistant and
worked well in their climate.  Now they have ones that do not do as well and the
(cattle) seed stock is so contaminated that (from what I heard) they have not been
able to recover the original traits.  So, now companies want to force them to
accept this!  I can not blame them, for not wanting to put up with ideas, that
quite possibly will be of a lower technology then what nature has already given
them.  That is even before, you consider that those ideas could make it where
there is no seed stock of a agricultural type to even try to go back to!

Laura
aka The Pied Piper

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Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 05 Equality.A

[M. A. Johnson]

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Frosty wrote:
   #1  Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no
MJ:
Yes. but based upon the Natural Rights Ideal of an individual's RIGHT to their
own life as the subjagation of might.


Frosty wrote:
  #2  Should every one have the same right to profit, get stupid or do
 any thing they want because their acts only have the potential to
 harm others?
MJ:
Every action could *potentially* harm others.  Only ACTUAL harm to
others should 'punished'.


Frosty wrote:
   #3  or should only a select group have the right to endanger others?
MJ:
Define and provide examples of 'endanger'.


Frosty wrote:
   Let me know before I post a list of people who are fined and imprisoned
   for endangering others and then I will ask why you are not defending them.
MJ:
Non sequitur


Regard$,
--MJ

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Re: [CTRL] Update on JFK assassination

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 2/5/99 12:09:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I was wondering if anyone has any current information on the status of
 investigation of the JFK assassination. I know that the most recent
investigation
 by the government was completed last year. I don't think there was a smoking
gun.

 Eric Roberts >>

Well, if there had been, it would have been covered up very quickly.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Eric Stewart]

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And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by
destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune
system...


June
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It would seem you have Acquired an Immune Deficiency.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control

[Liz Schumacher]

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in relation, please read "The Eleventh Plague" by leonard A. Cole and" The
search for The Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks
liz

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[CTRL] IRAQ: Canada Submits New Proposal on Iraq

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/** mideast.gulf: 410.0 **/
** Topic: IRAQ: Canada Submits New Proposal on Iraq **
** Written  6:28 AM  Feb  1, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
cdp:mideast.gulf **

 Canada Submits New Proposal on Iraq

   UNITED NATIONS, January 27 (Xinhua) -- Canada Wednesday
submitted to the United Nations Security Council a revised
proposal on how to move forward in addressing disarmament and
humanitarian issues concerning Iraq.
   According to the proposal, the Security Council would call for
the establishment of three panels, each under the chairmanship of
the current president of the council, Ambassador Celso Amorim of
Brazil.
   The proposal said that in an effort to maintain continuity, his
chairmanship would run beyond his current tenure as president of
the Security Council in order to complete this work.
   Canada suggested the first panel, on the disarmament issue,
would be comprised of commissioners from the United Nations
Special Commission, experts from the International Atomic Energy
Agency as well as the U.N. under-secretary-general for disarmament
affairs.
   It would assess the existing body of information relating to
the state of disarmament in Iraq and make recommendations to the
Security Council regarding the re-establishment of an effective
disarmament regime in Iraq.
   The second panel, on humanitarian issues, would be make up of
officials form the Office of the Iraq Program, the Secretariat of
the 661 Committee as well as the U.N. under-secretary-general for
humanitarian affairs.
   This panel would assess the current humanitarian situation in
Iraq and make recommendations to the Security Council regarding
measures it might take to improve the humanitarian situation in
Iraq.
   The third panel, on prisoners of war, Kuwaiti property and
archives, would consist of the executive director of the Office of
the Iraq Program and expert advisers from the International
Committee of the Red Cross.
   It would make an assessment of Iraqi compliance relating to
prisoners of war, Kuwaiti property, and Kuwaiti archives, as
stipulated by Security Council resolutions, and make
recommendations to the Security Council with regard to these
matters.
   The proposal said the chairman would maintain close liaison
with the secretary-general on all matters under consideration by
the panels. The chairman, in consultation with panel participants
and members of the Security Council, would adopt appropriate
working methods and plans of work, bearing in mind the urgent need
to re-establish Iraqi compliance with U.N. Security Council
resolutions.
   Robert Fowler, Canadian ambassador to the United  Nations, told
the press that it was still too early for the council to negotiate
the substance of the issue of Iraq, and the council was working to
narrow the differences between them and get to the position to
start the real talks on Iraq.  Enditem


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[CTRL] IRAQ: Russia Objects to UNSCOM Report on Iraqi Weapons

[Eric Stewart]

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/** mideast.gulf: 408.0 **/
** Topic: IRAQ: Russia Objects to UNSCOM Report on Iraqi Weapons **
** Written  6:28 AM  Feb  1, 1999 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
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Russia Objects to UNSCOM Report on Iraqi Weapons

   UNITED NATIONS, January 25 (Xinhua) -- The United Nations
Special Commission (UNSCOM) in charge of Iraqi disarmament did
not officially distribute a report on Iraqi weapons on Monday
because of Russia's objection, diplomats said.
   Russia's permanent representative to the U.N. Sergei Lavrov
said he doesn't believe the Security Council has a consensus
regarding information from UNSCOM.
   Since the military strikes launched by the United States and
Britain against Iraq in December, Russia has toughened its stance
in seeking the abolishment of UNSCOM. France supports the idea
and is calling for its replacement by a new arms monitoring body.
   UNSCOM, led by Australian diplomat Richard Butler, has been
blamed for withdrawing from Iraq in mid-December without
reporting to the Security Council first.
   The December 16-19 attacks on Iraq, the heaviest since the
Gulf War in 1991, were taken on the basis of an UNSCOM report,
which said Iraq did not cooperate with UNSCOM.
   The U.S. and Britain are the only permanent members of the
Security Council to call for the return of UNSCOM to Baghdad to
continue arms inspections.
   But Iraq said UNSCOM is dead following the U.S.-Britain
military action. It has called for the lifting of sanctions on
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Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial...

[Source - Richard]

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Profr. Jerome Steiner A. wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Cris:
>
>God created the person. The Supreme Law of the land, created by persons,
>created the military. It is not for the clay to dictate to the potter.
>Only God has the legitimate right to take away life and man's well
being.
>This is a fundamental God given right. The militay has NO, I'll
repeat...NO,
>authority over our basic rights from God. Since, the U.S. Constitution
is the
>Supreme Law of the land and it affirms these basic rights, even to be
above
>our Constituion.
>
>Fundamental rights are not given by the Constitution, but,
>are "affirmed" for the politicians and bureaucrats to acknowledge, an
eternal
>reminder. So, no government lackey and traitor nor military cyborg can
dictate
>a sheople code of ignorance and injustice over his brother. No man can
>superimpose his will over another man's God given rights. There are no
>excuses.
>Period.
>
>These remain always with us. The Law of God being foremost; and the
>laws of man as instruments of man, not bludgeons. Liberty is not bought
>by any price, other than eternal vigilence...right down to the most
basic
>principle of honor, love for our neighbor and respect for one's
privilege of
>self righteousness before God's standard.
>
>Lest we forget:
>
>
>Proverb 29:2 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
>but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn."
>
>Proverb 29:12 "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked."
>
>If we cannot learn from wisdom and do not heed basic history lessons, as
a
>nation we will perish from this earth. Self destruction is moving
forward
>in the U.S. at light speed because we and our neighbors no longer reason
>and no more are we vigilent nor honorable.
>
>A nation which is ruled by a perverted coward and dismembers live,
>defenseless babies, is a far cry from honor. Give me the court martial,
>rather than "wimp out" capitulate. - above all - Give me liberty or give
me
>death!...P. Henry
>
>My regards.
>jerome steiner allen
>Patriot, American Indian, Wounded Eagle, down homer and ordinary guy.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Have fun--Great Photos of the Area 51 -- Groom Lake -- Secret Air base

[Eric Stewart]

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Here is the most detailed panoramic photo ever of AREA 51,  from North
to South at Groom Lake, courtesy of Chuck Clark.   Toward the South, one
can clearly see underground construction going on.

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 http://members.aol.com/GroomWatch/index.html">Norio's
GroomWatch Central
http://members.aol.com/GroomWatch

LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT AREA 51 IS STILL THERE, NEVER MOVED ANYWHERE AND
SOME PARTS ARE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION


Comments:
Thanks to Norio for sharing these very detailed panorama photos of
the air base the military refuses to acknowledge.   Workers get flown
down to here daily from Los Vegas and these workers don't need to get
left in toxic no health care limbo because they have to work there.
The huge piles of dirt and mining shaft operations are definite signs
A51 has gone underground.
   This site has DOE origins and many of the RADAR dark systems ideas
come from DOE science---many of the first techniques used nuclear
emission in air to absorb the Radio wave energy to make the RADAR dark
planes and even ships. Many of the early techniques were very
contaminating of the environment.  The new resistive panel designs or
passive absorber techniuques don't do this. The military and DOE are
still hiding some very serious things and the A51 security is behind
some of these things-gross violations on the use of security
involving war crimes by US nuclear scientists.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Religion, sex, drugs and mind control

[Kris Millegan]

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tallyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Subject: Operation: WATCHTOWER
> >From: Tallyman
> >Organization: KultKrimeFighters(tm)
> >Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:22:07 -0500
> >Newsgroups:
>
alt.mindcontrol,alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc,alt.ANYBO
> DY!
> >
> >Still trying to find out any and all information possible about a
> >US Govt? Mind Control program deemed -- "Operation: WATCHTOWER"
> >


> same news reporter tells me that Mrs. Smith indicated to him that she has
> documents hidden away that give what she believes is the real reason for
> Smith's death.  He further stated that these documents will appear, if and
> when, an official public investigation takes place.  It is the reporters
> understanding that the documents has something to do with CIA and Green
> Beret personnel smuggling drugs.  This reporter backed off the story
> because he was afraid for his life.
>


A friend of mine, David Thompson had developed a strong interest in the
Colombian Cocaine cartel and Palo Escobar while living on his coffee
exporting company in Colombia.  When he returned to the U.S., he did
extensive research to follow up on some of the things he learned while
living in Medallin, and made several trips back and forth between San
Francisco and Colombia.  In 1991, he persuaded Rolling Stone to pay his
expenses to go to Colombia to get an interview with Pablo Escobar, but
the closest he could get was an interview with Escobar's chief attorney,
Guido Parra Montoya (who has since been murdered with his son).  When
David returned, Rolling Stone cancelled out on David to cover Desert
Storm, so I published his interview in in Mind Matters Review.  He
eventually got an interview with Escobar after he was captured, but he
got distracted from that by a deal with Conflict Magazine, supposed
published by Rand Corporation and a French publisher for a book and an
article.  He did get that article published on the cartels in Colombia.

On another trip to do a follow-up article and to finish his book, one
evening he received a phone call from someone who offered the key bit of
information he needed to finish his book. He was told to meet the man
some place in Medallin that night.  After a few hours, he returned home,
stumbling and mumbling and went right to bed.  He didn't wake up the
next day and was taken to the hospital in a coma.  The doctors who
examined him suspected poison.  When he was brought back to California
in a coma, his medical records were lost.  After his girl friend in
Venice, California received threatening phone calls from the Colombian
Secret Police, she started telling everyone who knew David that he drank
himself to death that night when he went out to meet the man who offered
information in Medallin.

In David's interview with Guido Parra Montoya, Parra stated, "If you
analyze it very precisely, you might come to the conclusin that drugs
could become an instrument of the New Cold War."  That seemed to fit in
with experiences that I have had with an even more bizarre twist of  the
use of drugs for mind control in medical experimentation that I have
suspected to have links to the CIA's MK-ULTRA right here in San
Francisco at the San Francisco Dept. of Public Health where I worked for
10 years until I was run out for blowing the whistle.  It is
well-documented that the CIA used prostitutes to lure men into houses
with the promise of sex, but to be given LSD without their knowledge.
Working in the health dept, I noticed a long pattern of the mixture of
the use of sex and drugs and psychological blackmail with classic
mind-control techniques... sometimes under the pretense of "sensitivity
training sessions" for employees consisting of employees being required
to sit for hours watching pornographic films of every imaginable type of
sexual behavior.

The most bizarre twist on mind control there was brainwashing in one of
their clinics designed to lure men into changing their gender by taking
female hormones, but without informing them that the dosages they were
given were enough to produce mind-altering experiences.  One of the
things that the CIA wanted to find out in its Project MK-ULTRA was how
LSD changes sex patterns, and I believe, from my experiences there, that
there was a coverup of collaboration between sadistic psychiatrists and
other medical employees of the health dept. and the CIA designed to give
the homosexual agenda an enormous role in the psychological warfare in
the 1990s.

Think about it:  Clinton is the first U.S. president to invite
homosexual activists into the White House.  It's not just homosexuality
that the homosexual agenda is pushing... but a whole new view of sex as
a legitimate tool of persuasion in public policy despite ample knowledge
of how easily sex has been used to get people to compromise ethical
judgement.  Think about the role of sex in Clinton's public-approval
rating despite all of the corruption that Clinton is in

[CTRL] U$ gives the orders:UK stands up for Gen Manipulated crops

[Eric Stewart]

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U$ gives the orders:UK stands up for Gen Manipulated crops

NOTE the following refs. below : =20



IS THIS A REF TO the prospective treaty mentioned next, or to
something already in force ??



--
Guardian (London)   Friday February 5, 1999

Britain and the United States have decided to block attempts to ban
genetically modified organisms by India and other developing countries
who want to protect their traditional farming methods and the food
supply of the poor.

Tony Blair and the European Union are backing the US position that a
ban on GM crops on those grounds is a restraint of free trade.

Under a new international treaty, a ban on GMOs would only be
justifiable on scientific grounds if it were shown traditional crops
or local plants were likely to be wiped out or damaged by mutant
intruders.

Britain and the US believe their biotechnology companies specialising
in GM products will lose exports if developing countries ban them on
social or economic grounds.

Meanwhile, the Environment Minister, Michael Meacher, disclosed
yesterday that three test sites growing GM food have broken rules on
their development. In a Commons written reply he said a Health and
Safety inspector found breaches of regulations by Nickersons Biochem
at Holton-le-Moor, Lincolnshire, and by the Scottish Crop Research
Institute at two sites in Invergowrie, Dundee. Nickersons Biochem had
planted GM oilseed rape less than the approved 400 metres from non-GM
oilseed rape, while the SCRI had grown field beans instead of barley
after testing GM potatoes.

News of the rule breaches, which took place in 1997, came as Mr
Meacher disclosed in another written reply that GM crops could have
greater potential to affect the environment than non-GM crops.

He told MPs that in one laboratory study in 1998 there was a higher
likelihood that lacewing flies fed on moth caterpillars that had been
fed on GM maize would die.

That is exactly the kind of issue that a new international agreement
on controlling the import and export of live genetic material is to
cover. The final negotiating session between 170 countries starts in
Colombia on February 14, but there is wide disagreement over what it
should contain.

India and African states believe that if multinational companies like
Monsanto are allowed to control the seed supply, their traditional
agriculture - in which part of the crop is saved by farmers for sowing
the next year - will be in jeopardy. If Monsanto have patented the
seed or included a terminator gene so crops cannot reproduce, then
traditional agricultural practices on which their economies are based
would end.

The row over the right to ban GM organisms which might damage local
crops or traditional agriculture must be resolved before the protocol
can be finalised for signing in New York in three months.



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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Book Review: 'The Secret Behind Secret Societies

[Kris Millegan]

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com

Kirby the Konspiracy Boy says, "Don't read this
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Book Review: 'The Secret Behind Secret Societies:

Liberation of the Planet in the 21st Century'

  by Jon Rappoport

Truth Seeker Company, Inc.

  P.O. Box 28550

San Diego, CA 92198

  http://truth-seeker.com

(as heard on Jeff Rense's Sightintings on the Radio

http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/98archives.stm

 archive 10/12/98)

   Reviewed by: Frank Altomonte

 Jon Rappoport, for those unfamiliar with him, is one of those men for all
seasons. An investigative reporter by trade, he is really a philosopher at
heart. His previous publications, 'Aids Inc.:The Scandal of the Century',
'Oklahoma City Bombing:The Suppressed Truth' and 'Madalyn Murray O'hare: "The
Most Hated Woman in America' were all investigative in nature, but this latest
work is not one of those, entirely. The subject category printed on the back
cover is Self Actualization. His more recent book, Lifting the Veil: David
Icke Interviewed by Jon Rappoport, is a preview of the  format for this latest
publication.

 In Rappoport's down to earth 'man on the street' style of journalism, we
are taken on a journey through one man's time and memory of early experiences
that created the foundation for his quest for truth and individual freedom.
Along the way we are treated to interviews with people who have belonged to
secret societies and those from a different camp, one where the innate power
of the individual is manifested and practiced. We are shown how these two
camps are in direct opposition to one another, i.e., how the secret societies
keep this power from the individua herding all of society along as common
cattle.

 The journey begins in Greenwich Village, New York in 1961. Fresh out of
Amherst College with a degree in Philosophy, Rappoport was working his last
day at a bookstore. In walks a man who asks about books on healing. All they
had were books by Wilhelm Reich, if that was what he wanted. The man claimed
he had all of those in French and German despite the US ban having been
lifted. He makes a remark about Reich being 'on the inside' but having found
out a lot for someone in his position. Rappoport, a bit of a skeptic, points
out Reich was a student of Freud who breaks away and dies in jail. The man
explains that 'inside' is a relative term but compared to Reich the healing he
is referring is '...on Mars. These people don't write books.' This man
explains he makes his living by treating sick people. Rappoport, very curious,
now has to find out what this man, Richard Jenkins, is talking about. He
invites Rappoport to his apartment to watch as he performs on his clients.

 For the next year Rappoport is introduced to an unwritten tradition of
healing where someone lies down on a table and the practioner, Jenkins in this
case, appears to move energy around the person's body using his hands. The
people report many things besides a return to health. Some are there simply to
explore the effects of this energy manipulation on their minds. Rappoport
begins to apprentice. After that year, Jenkins and his wife leave New York to
finish their long time  search for the origins of this tradition, having told
Rappoport of what they had learned so far.

  Rappoport continues to treat clients on his own, learning from his own
silent inner dialogue when practicing and listening carefully to accounts of
their physical and psychic experiences. This 'Tradition of Imagination', as he
grew to identify it, becomes the major theme in  this book contrasted in depth
with its antithesis, the  'Formula of the Secret Society'. We are beckoned to
join in a search for the beginnings of this tradition. Where did it originate?
Who originated it? What else did they know? Rappoport reveals the clues he was
given from a personal source, a contact to the forebearer of Richard Jenkins,
and looks to the present and reaches back into history and time immemoriam
chasing down avenues and corridors for this priceless understanding of a
hidden tradition in human history. We visit the Dead Sea Scrolls, advanced
paranormal powers, Dean Radin, Giordano Bruno and mystical Tibetan Buddhism.

 Alongside this theme of the 'Tradition of Imagination' we are also guided
through a detailed anatomy lesson on the 'Formula of the Secret Soc

[CTRL] Biotech

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE]

[Robert Tatman]

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YnrChyldzWyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout
> of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before,
> it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc.
>
> Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of
> what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I
> asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that
> there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one
> of them...
>
> I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER...
>
>
> June

June, I don't know if this was the practice when you got your shot, but when I
got my flu shot a couple of months ago, I had to sign a sheet stating that I
had been informed of the possible side effects of the vaccine. Yes, it *can*
give you a full-blown case of the flu, although the odds of that happening are
low; you were one of the cases where it *did* happen. I have to get a flu
shot, as well as pneumovax (vaccine against Staphylococcus pneumoniae, which
causes some forms of pneumonia as well as other problems), because I have a
chronic lung condition (pulmonary sarcoidosis). It's your call whether you get
another flu shot; if you're otherwise healthy, and don't mind running the
risk, you can probably get away with skipping it. I *can't* run that risk; I
have enough trouble breathing without adding the flu into the equation. I also
doubt that the flu vaccine is related to the thing that Teo was speaking
of--I've had a variant of it for the past two months. My pulmonologist calls
it "There's a lot of that going around." I'd like to see an epidemiological
study of the areas where the spraying, odd contrails, etc., have been
reported, to determine if there is a greater incidence of "there's a lot of
that going around" in those areas than elsewhere. Even some strong anecdotal
evidence would be useful.

Bob

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[CTRL] Nuclear Terror! .. the Clinton Legacy!

[Lloyd Miller]

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-Original Message-
From: Martin H. Katchen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Lloyd Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 7:58 PM
Subject: Fw: PRC Seeks 1000 Nuclear Tipped Missiles



-Original Message-
From: CharlesSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:49 AM
Subject: CAS: PRC Seeks 1000 Nuclear Tipped Missiles


>According to a classified report Chinese Army is mounting an
>effort to build a modern force of 1,000 nuclear tipped missiles
>in the next five years.  The Clinton administration is
>frantically trying to render the Defense Department evaluation
>secret.
>
>The White House claims their secrecy gag on the report is
>required so as to not cause a rift between already tense
>U.S./Sino relations.  Republican Congressional officials accuse
>the President of covering up the Chinese espionage inside the
>White House.  Republicans site a clear evidence that President
>Clinton allowed a long list of advanced military technology to
>be transferred to the Chinese armed forces.
>
>The 1,000 intermediate and long range missiles will primarily
>be targeted at U.S. armed forced in the Asian region and U.S.
>allies in Asia.  The force of DF-15, CSS-5 and DF-41 missiles
>will carry high yield, light weight, nuclear warheads designed
>with U.S. super computers and plans stolen from the U.S.
>
>The missiles will be under the command of the Second Artillery
>Corps, the Chinese Army strategic missile forces.  The nuclear
>warheads will remain separate from the missiles under the
>control of Communist Party Politiburo officers.
>
>The modern Chinese missile force is feared to be the signal of a
>new round of the nuclear arms race.  China is estimated to have
>about 200 nuclear tipped missile in the current PLA inventory.
>
>Russia and the U.S. have hundreds of strategic missiles.
>However, the Russian and American forces are declining in
>numbers and are bound by Strategic Arms (SALT) treaties.  The
>Chinese Second Artillery Corps, the PLA unit in charge of all
>missile forces, is rapidly expanding.
>
>The DOD estimate is based on the size of storage and
>manufacturing facilities currently under construction inside
>China.  The analysis is backed by a series of classified spy
>satellite photos of huge PLA missile facilities being built to
>house and maintain the mobile launchers and nuclear warheads.
>
>President Clinton is already under fire for allowing Chinese
>Army agents to purchase large amounts of advanced U.S. missile
>technology such as radiation hardened microchips and advanced
>missile radar technology.  In many instances the U.S. exporter,
>such as LORAL, made significant donations to President Clinton.
>
>According to a document obtained by the Freedom of Information
>Act, Loral DEFENSE President Jerald Lindfelt sought to export
>Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) technology to China.  The
>document is a letter from Lindfelt to Ron Brown.
>
>According to Lindfelt's letter,  the radar transfer would serve
>humanitarian causes.  The Loral Defense President attached a
>letter from Zheng Lizhong, Deputy Director of the Chinese
>National Remote Sensing Center, citing civilian applications of
>the advanced SAR radar.
>
>The Defense Department recently noted in a January 1999 report
>on Chinese weapon research that the Chinese "Institute of Remote
>Sensing" is actually a front for Army missile guidance design
>laboratories.  According to the Defense Department report, the
>Institute of Remote Sensing is "a developer of precision
>guidance systems for missiles".
>
>Ms. Zheng wrote "The SAR system can take mapping images through
>dust, cloud and heavy precipitation making it the perfect medium
>to give our officials up to date news of the floods, thereby
>allowing many life saving activities to be carried out."
>
>Clearly, Ms. Zheng was also well informed as to who in the U.S.
>government was blocking the transfer and who could help them.
>
>Ms. Zheng wrote, "According to your manufacturers because the
>function of the equipment can be classed as military and
>civilian the U.S. State Department continues to block any moves
>to put the products in the control of the Commerce Department."
>
>Loral took Ms. Zheng's advice.  Loral DEFENSE President
>Lindfelt, wrote Brown in March of 1996.  Lindfelt sought Brown's
>help in the export of SAR technology to directly to the Chinese
>missile lab.  Lindfelt's appeal also included a direct request
>for Ron Brown to over rule the Department of Defense, the State
>Department and even Brown's own Commerce Department which had
>all previously denied SAR radar export to China.
>
>"We've worked hard trying to resolve these problems with the
>Department of State, the Department of Commerce and the Defense
>Technology Security Administration (DTSA)," Loral's Lindfelt
>wrote to Brown.
>
>"But someone in these organizations always manages to block our
>participation...  Over the y

[CTRL] Air Force to court martial...

[Profr. Jerome Steiner A.]

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Cris:

God created the person. The Supreme Law of the land, created by persons,
created the military. It is not for the clay to dictate to the potter.
Only God has the legitimate right to take away life and man's well being.
This is a fundamental God given right. The militay has NO, I'll repeat...NO,
authority over our basic rights from God. Since, the U.S. Constitution is the
Supreme Law of the land and it affirms these basic rights, even to be above
our Constituion.

Fundamental rights are not given by the Constitution, but,
are "affirmed" for the politicians and bureaucrats to acknowledge, an eternal
reminder. So, no government lackey and traitor nor military cyborg can dictate
a sheople code of ignorance and injustice over his brother. No man can
superimpose his will over another man's God given rights. There are no
excuses.
Period.

These remain always with us. The Law of God being foremost; and the
laws of man as instruments of man, not bludgeons. Liberty is not bought
by any price, other than eternal vigilence...right down to the most basic
principle of honor, love for our neighbor and respect for one's privilege of
self righteousness before God's standard.

Lest we forget:


Proverb 29:2 "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn."

Proverb 29:12 "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked."

If we cannot learn from wisdom and do not heed basic history lessons, as a
nation we will perish from this earth. Self destruction is moving forward
in the U.S. at light speed because we and our neighbors no longer reason
and no more are we vigilent nor honorable.

A nation which is ruled by a perverted coward and dismembers live,
defenseless babies, is a far cry from honor. Give me the court martial,
rather than "wimp out" capitulate. - above all - Give me liberty or give me
death!...P. Henry

My regards.
jerome steiner allen
Patriot, American Indian, Wounded Eagle, down homer and ordinary guy.

BTW: Seems like the head whore of government took an oath; so much for
oaths by our leaders.

+++

At 08:42 AM 02/05/1999 -0600, you wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>The last word of the oath, as you have correctly provided it, is also
>optional.  Any person who is opts for entitlement to wear the uniform is so
>charged (and I think certain classes of civil servant are as well).
>
>One of the issues involving the oath overall that provides some confusion
>is "... obey the orders : of the President of the United States and the
>officers appointed over me..."  Again, the assumption is all orders to be
>obeyed will be legal and lawful.  The participants at My Lai, Rep of Viet
>Nam, ran into problems with Lt Calley{sp?} (as he also encountered
>problems) insisting on his orders to be obeyed.  And, so, a bit of
>skepticism and personal judgment is always required, recogising that
>politicians, officers (commissioned and noncommissioned), or civilian
>equivalents sometimes don't have truth, justice and the American way on
>their side(s).
>
>
>A<>E<>R
>
>The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
>new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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>: From: Chris Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>: Subject: Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who
>has...
>: Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:51 PM
>:
>:  -Caveat Lector-
>:
>: The exact wording of the oath (if I recall correctly ) is:
>: I, [ insert name here } do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will uphold
>and
>: defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign
>and
>: domestic, and bear truth faith and allegiance to the same, and obey the
>orders
>: of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me,
>so
>: help me God.
>:
>: The Air and Army National Guard also swear to obey the order of the
>governor
>: of the state in which they enlist; this being inserted after the mention
>of
>: the President.
>:
>: If you swear the oath, it doesn't matter if it's peacetime or wartime.
>Simply
>: put, you promised to obey orders.  As long as the order is lawful ( it
>doesn't
>: violate the law ) you're subject to punishment if you refuse to comply.
>Since
>: the military has the authority to order you to receive vaccination, you
>don't
>: have any choice.
>:
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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie]

[Robert Tatman]

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Johannes Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently.


Hmmm...I would've expected 17 as well fnord. (Or perhaps the frequent
occurrence of 16 is meant to imply 17 *by its absence*... "Indeed do many
things come to pass!")

Hail Eris!

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Teo One Thousand]

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In a message dated 2/5/99 6:31:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< But generally, if one is hypothyroid, you'd find yourself tired most of
 the time, or getting tired easilyyou'd probably tend to feel colder
 than everyone else (indeed, a simple test to check for hypothyroidism is
 to take one's basal temp every morning -- first thing upon awakening,
 before doing anything else, you take your temp -- opinions vary about
 whether to take it orally, or by sticking it under your armpit for 10
 minutes -- and record your temps for every morning for two weeks...if
 you're hypothyroid, you'll find you're running a few degrees below
 normal) (the armpit temp's normal temp is a few decimals below one's oral
 temp)

 Another common sign is very dry skin, and one may or may not have a
 goiter...also one tends to lose one's appetite, but ironically tends to
 put on weight (or find it difficult if not impossible to lose weight) >>

Wow this exactly describes what I am experiencing.  I am on synthetic thyroid
hormone but it is a small dose and seems to not be affecting it much.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Boon in Iraq

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From Wash (DC) Post

Sanctions a Boon for Iraq Merchants

By Louis Meixler
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, February 3, 1999; 1:51 p.m. EST

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Yellow stone mansions with courtyards filled with
orange trees dot Baghdad neighborhoods, evidence of a merchant class that
has grown rich under sanctions and is a new source of support for Saddam
Hussein's regime.

In the countryside, newly wealthy farmers drive Mercedes sedans smuggled
from Jordan in defiance of U.N. economic sanctions that have left most
Iraqis so poor that buying food has become a struggle.

The U.N. embargo imposed after Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait has isolated
Iraq and crushed its middle class. But it has also created a boom for
merchants who import or smuggle goods across the porous borders.

In some cases, the newly rich merchants are simple war profiteers,
supplying a country in desperate need. But in others, Saddam's besieged
regime has encouraged merchants from key families and tribes to help cement
their backing, diplomats and analysts say.

The patronage is clearest in rural areas, where the government gives land,
seed, fertilizers and farm machinery to tribal leaders, who in turn patrol
the countryside for the government. The farmers also get government price
supports.

``The regime is trying to co-opt those who are not openly opposed to it and
get them under their fold,'' said Moraiwid Tell, a professor at the
University of Jordan. ``The families know they can't do anything about the
regime, so they live with it.''

Some say Saddam's closest associates have profited from the cross-border
trade, including his son Odai, who is widely believed to have made millions
of dollars.

It is estimated thousands of merchants -- if not tens of thousands -- are
involved in the cross-border trade. In Baghdad, hundreds of new mansions
have been built since the sanctions were imposed.

In the Doura neighborhood, many of the spacious new homes have courtyards
filled with olive and orange trees, and tile mosaics depicting birds and
trees grace the outer walls of some.

Mohammed Abdul Kareem al-Madani is typical of the new merchant class.

The scion of a prominent Shiite Muslim family from the holy city of Nejaf,
al-Madani grew wealthy from government contracts during the 1980-88
Iran-Iraq war.

But his construction business collapsed after the U.N. sanctions cut back
government investment in infrastructure.

So, al-Madani sold his concrete mixers, dump trucks, graders and shovels,
and began importing needed items like sugar, cooking oil, rice and tea.

His business again faded after December 1996, when the U.N. oil-for-food
deal began, allowing Iraq to export some oil to buy food and medicine. The
agreement brought heavily subsidized rice, flour and cooking oil, sending
prices plummeting.

So, al-Madani switched to importing tires and car batteries, which are in
short supply and can be sold at a high profit.

He said he has U.N. certificates for the imports, although he admits that
sometimes his Jordanian suppliers had to pay ``tips'' for those permits.

``We have friends in Jordan,'' he said. ``They get some benefits and so do
we.''

Al-Madani's four-story yellow brick house in the wealthy Yarmouk
neighborhood mimics an ancient Babylonian fortress. It has a sheer stone
facade topped with light- and dark-colored bricks that give the appearance
of battlements.

In the living room, a picture of Saddam greeting al-Madani's father, a
leading Shiite cleric, sits atop the television set.

Iraq, land of the legendary Sinbad the sailor, has a long tradition of
trading.

But its merchant class was destroyed after the Arab Socialist Baath Party
took power in 1963, nationalizing industries and driving many wealthy
traders from the country.

Under Saddam, the party began to relax its control over trade during the
Iran-Iraq war, when the government desperately needed imports.

After the U.N. sanctions were imposed, the government, again hard-pressed
to provide for its people, further eased its restrictions on trade.

Al-Madani says that if the sanctions are lifted, the new merchants will
soar. ``The hard conditions have made good businessmen,'' he said. ``It is
good training for us.''

Labib Kamhawi of the University of Jordan disagrees, saying the new
merchants are simply war profiteers.

``The business class which invested in infrastructure and industry has been
destroyed,'' he said. The new merchants are ``parasites ... It is a
transient class.''



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[CTRL] Good Citizens

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From
http://www.si.edu/organiza/affil/WWICS/OUTREACH/WQ/WQCURR/WQBKPER/BOOK-1.HTM


How Are We Doing?
THE GOOD CITIZEN:
A History of American Civic Life.
By Michael Schudson. Free Press. 390 pp. $27.50
Reviewed by Michael Barone



You don't have to look hard to find complaints about the decline of
American civic life. Voter turnout is down; many voluntary organizations
have lost members; people bowl alone rather than in leagues. But in The
Good Citizen, sociologist Michael Schudson argues that things may not be
all that bad. Drawing on a deep and wide-ranging knowledge of American
history, he shows that there was never a golden age of civic participation.
In his view, our current civic life is much healthier than the critics
suggest.

Certainly it is much different. Adopting a historical division similar to
that of Robert Wiebe in Self-Rule (1995) and Bruce Ackerman in We the
People: Foundations (1991), Schudson describes a politics of deference in
the colonial and federal periods, a politics of parties from the Jacksonian
years until the turn of the century, a politics of progressive reforms from
1900 to about 1960, and a politics of rights in the years since. Each style
of politics was transformed, fairly abruptly as such things go, by changes
in the character of the country, by changes in the law, and (though
Schudson does not emphasize this) by responses to developments in Europe.

Colonial Americans, though "renegade, individualistic, and distrustful of
authority," practiced a politics of deference to local notables that was
much like the politics of 18th-century Britain. Voters queued up at local
courthouses and, with the higher born speaking first, declared their
choices before one and all. American deference, however, had its limits.
Members of local elites were not guaranteed election, for voters, judging
on the basis of character, presumably rejected the incompetent and the
eccentric or deterred them from standing. Some were seen as more able than
others; thus George Washington was selected as colonial commander in chief
in 1775, though not distinguished by primogeniture (he was the second son
of a second marriage) or wealth (many elite Virginians were richer) or
seniority (he was 43).

The American Revolution, writes Schudson, marked "the beginning of the end
of deference." The party as a mass organization got its start in the 1790s,
a product of divisions over the French Revolution and the war between
France and Britain. But the first party system withered as the Federalists
faded from the scene. Change came in the 1820s and 1830s: extension of the
vote from male property owners (already a large group) to all adult males,
direct election of presidential electors, the organization of mass parties,
an efflorescence of the voluntary associations Alexis de Tocqueville
described in the 1830s, and the proliferation of elective offices and
patronage jobs to the point that one in five voters in the late 19th
century had an economic interest in election results. Parties staged
torchlight parades, marched voters to the polls (often with a cash
incentive), provided ballots (the government didn't print ballots at the
time), and held quadrennial national conventions.

The Civil War years excepted, this was still an era of minimalist
government, yet voter turnout as a percentage of eligibles--accepted by
Schudson, as by so many others, as the prime indicator of citizen
involvement--reached historic highs. But citizen involvement, as the author
points out, was anything but an exercise of thoughtful ratiocination.
Politics was emotional; attachment to parties exceeded rational bounds;
pecuniary interest was often a motivation for political activity. In an
entr'acte chapter, Schudson looks at the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858,
so often held up as an example of high citizen involvement. He concedes
that the speakers were men of high intellect who at times presented serious
moral and political arguments with great sophistication. But more often, he
notes, they advanced or attempted to refute crude conspiracy theories, made
coarse jokes (often racist, in Douglas's case), and attacked each other's
character as bluntly as any 1990s negative ad. The seven debates (Lincoln
had proposed 50!) attracted huge crowds, but most people probably came for
entertainment or to cheer on their candidate and heckle the opposition.

By the 1890s, elites were increasingly troubled by this unruly and
seemingly irrational politics. They were engaged in what Robert Wiebe
called "the search for order," creating orderly bureaucratic government and
corporations in place of patronage politics and buccaneer businesses. In
the process, voters were disenfranchised--most notably blacks in the South,
but also aliens in most states and illiterate people in many. States took
over the task of printing ballots, and the secret ballot was instituted.
The number of elective offices was reduced, and elections were made
nonpartisan 

[CTRL] Low Expectations

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From LM (url at bottom)


"" There was a time when university students were challenged to question
their commonsense view of the world. A good university education sought to
equip students with an ability to think critically, to acquire an
understanding of the world that would be inaccessible through their direct
personal experience. Today such an education is denounced as elitist and,
worse still, as irrelevant to people's lives. On the contrary, students are
encouraged to talk about their experience and tutors are instructed to
offer courses that are relevant to their teenage customers' experience.
Instead of learning to question their commonsense assumptions, students are
taught to become sceptical about the wider claims of truth, objectivity or
of any big idea. ""



A culture of low expectations

All the fuss about 'dumbing down' appears to assume that people are
becoming more stupid. On the contrary, says Frank Furedi; it is society's
elites that have lowered their standards and embraced the banal

'Dumbing down' is one of those confusing concepts that obscures as much as
it reveals. People in general are probably no less interested in ideas than
they were three or four generations ago. Although there is a lot of crass
culture about, it is possible to find great books, watch inspiring films
and even encounter great music. Visit a decent bookshop and you will see
dozens of customers leafing through heavy-looking tomes. Most kids you meet
are curious, imaginative and open to new ideas. At least when they begin
their courses, the first-year university students I teach are passionate
about learning and aspire to a first-class education.

In as much as it means anything, dumbing down does not refer to the
intelligence of most people. Rather it is about culture - or more
specifically about the elites who influence and regulate the flow of
cultural ideas.

Strictly speaking one should not even call these people an elite today,
since they self-consciously instruct the rest of society that elitism is
wrong and that the institutions of culture and education should be made
more relevant to everybody's concerns. That might sound admirably
egalitarian. But in many respects an elite that refuses to acknowledge its
status is even worse than one that revels in it.

The old elitist snobbery has been replaced by one that masquerades as
anti-elitism. This new snobbery regards anything that is truly challenging
and demanding as way beyond the capacity of 'ordinary people'. The new
snobs demand that people should be taught only what is deemed to be
relevant to their little lives. Their message is that we should not expect
too much of ordinary people. Competition and examinations are often
indicted for being divisive, by which they mean that it is wrong to
stigmatise failure or praise achievement. The elitism of the new breed of
cultural populist is strikingly manifested in the conviction that they know
what is best for others.

Dumbing down in contemporary society is not simply about the lowering of
standards. Its distinctive feature is the transformation of knowledge into
a commodity that can do little more than serve the self. Knowledge is no
longer really seen as a means of understanding the world outside yourself.
Instead it serves no purpose higher than that of personal coping and
survival. That is why, sadly, many of the people leafing through the latest
publications in bookshops are probably searching self-help books for
answers to their personal problems. Since ideas need serve no cause that
transcends the individual self, it is perhaps unsurprising that we are not
living through a period of bold intellectual experimentation or a
renaissance in culture. The individuation of knowledge, like the reduction
of understanding to 'self-awareness', renders it utterly banal.

In one sense the current debate about dumbing down represents a recurrent
theme in modern Western culture. It seems that every generation discovers a
new education crisis and examples of falling standards. Throughout this
century the cultural elites of one generation have reacted to those of the
previous era, and declared that their view of the world offered a better
way forward than the old-fashioned ways of their predecessors. Conservative
critics of mass society have always been particularly sensitive to
manifestations of cultural decline. In turn, radical thinkers have
persuasively argued that the traditionalist defence of standards is often
nothing more than a self-serving argument for protecting the unearned
privileges of a powerful minority.

So at least superficially nothing has changed. However, look more closely
and the debate about dumbing down today has little in common with those of
the past. Critics of tradition focused their attack on a system of
education which was unfair because it excluded those who were potentially
more able than its mediocre beneficiaries. They criticised the dominant
culture on the grounds tha

[CTRL] ILLUMINATI-as in encyclopaedia britannica 1911

[Taylor, John (JH)]

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ILLUMINATI (Lat. Illuminare) a designation in use from the
I5th century, and applied to, or assumed by, enthusiasts of types distinct
from each other, according as the " light " claimed was viewed as directly
communicated from a higher source, or as due to a clarified and exalted
condition of the human intelligence. To the former class belong the
alumbrados of Spain. Menendez Pelayo first finds the name about 1492 (in the
form aluminados), but traces them back to a Gnostic origin, and thinks their
views were promoted in Spain through influences from Italv. One of their
earliest leaders, born in Salamanca, a laubour 's daughter, known as La
Beata de Piedrahita, came under the notice of the Inquisition in 1511: as
claiming to hold colloquies with our Lord and the Virgin ; having high
patrons, no decision was taken against her (Los Weterodosos espaitoles,
I88I, lib. v.).

 Ignatius Loyola, while studying at Salamanca (1527) was brought before an
ecclesiastical commission on a charge of sympathy with the alumbrados, but
escaped with an admonition. Others were not so fortunate. In 1529 a
congregation of unlettered adherents at Toledo was visited with scourging
and imprisonment.

Greater rigours followed, and for about a. century the alumbrados afforded
many victims to the Inquisition, especially at Cordova. The movement (under
the name of Illumines) seems to have reached France from Sevillc in 1623,
and attained some proportions in Picardy when joined (1634) by Pierre
Guerin, curee of Saint-Georges de Ruyo, whose followers, known as Guerinets,
were suppressed in 1635 (Hermant, His/. Drs herese, I717).
 Another and obscure body of Illumines came to light in the south of France
in 1723, and appears to have lingered till 1794, having nffmitk with those
known contemporaneously in this country as " French Prophets," an offshoot
of the camisards.
Of different class were the so-called Illuminati, better known as
Rosicrucians, who) claimed to originate in 1422 but rose into notice in 1537
;a.secret society, combining with the mysteries of alchemy the possession of
esoteric principles of religion. Their positions are embodied in three
anonymous treatises of 1614 (Richard et Giraucl, Dirt. de la thtol. cath.).
A short-lived movement of republican freethought, to whose adherents the
name illuminati was Given, ~1s founded on may day 1776 by Adam Weishauptt
(d. I83O), professor of
canon Law at Ingolstadlt, an ex-Jesuit. The chosen title of this Order or
society was  Perfectibalists
Its members, pledged to obedience to :their superiors, were divided into
three main classes ;
the first including " novices,"" minervals " and " lesser illuminati
" :
 the second consisting of freemasons, " ordinary," "Scottish " and "
Scottish knights " .
the third or " and mystery " class comprising two grades of ' priest " "
regent " and of " magus " and " king."
Relations with masonic lodges were establishcd at Munich and Freising in
1780, The order had its branches in mosit countries of the European
continent, but its total numbers never seem to have exceeded two thousand.
The scheme had its attraction for literary men such as Goethe and Herder,
and even for the reigning- dukes of Gotha and Weima
.   Internal rupture preceded its downfall which was effected bv an
edict of the bavarian government in 1785;.  Later, the title Illuminati
was given to the French Martinists, founded in 1754 by Martinez Pasqualis,
and to their imitators, the Russian martinists, headed about 1790 by
Professor Schwartz of Moscow ;  both were Cabalists and allegoristsimbibing
ideas from Jakob Boehme and Emmanuel Swedenborg

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[CTRL] Piper - Please send Activst URL

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I have changed browsers and lost my book marks.  Would someone please
send the URL for the Activst?  Thank You
Laura
aka The Pied Piper

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[CTRL] Doubting Thomas

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : North America : Clinton Impeachment

US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to address right-wing,
pro-impeachment organization

By Barry Grey
5 February 1999

The year-long impeachment campaign has lifted the lid on a political fact
well known within the political and media establishment, but concealed from
the American people--the intimate links between extreme right-wing
organizations and individuals and officials in the highest echelons of
government.

Among the institutions that have played a critical role in promoting the
political conspiracy that has culminated in the Senate impeachment trial is
the Supreme Court, and events have demonstrated that this supposedly
non-partisan body includes justices with close ties to the most reactionary
elements in American society.

It was Chief Justice William Rehnquist--who played a role in authorizing
Nixon's illegal wiretaps nearly three decades ago--who appointed David
Sentelle, a protégé of Senator Jesse Helms, as head of the three-judge
panel that oversees the independent counsel. Sentelle promptly fired Robert
Fiske and appointed right-wing Republican Ken Starr to replace him.

And it was the Supreme Court's May 1997 ruling against a White House motion
to delay the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit that set the stage for all
that has followed. Rehnquist is now presiding over the trial he helped
bring about.

Over the past week a controversy has emerged concerning another Supreme
Court judge and his ties to the far right. Associate Justice Clarence
Thomas is scheduled to appear as the keynote speaker at the February 9
Lincoln Day dinner of the Claremont Institute, a right-wing think tank that
is actively campaigning for the removal of President Clinton.

On Monday Barry Lynn, executive director of the Washington-based liberal
group Americans United for Separation of Church and State, sent Thomas a
letter of protest urging him to cancel his speech to the institute.
Observed Lynn, "I don't believe any justice should celebrate Abraham
Lincoln's birthday by dining with a right-wing group that tries to limit
legal protections for minorities." As of this writing, Thomas has not
replied to Lynn's letter.

Other speakers listed by the Claremont Institute for its February 9
colloquium, to be held at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, include Terry
Eastland, publisher of the American Spectator, and Bill Kristol of the
Weekly Standard. The master of ceremonies for the event will be the
television game show host Pat Sajak.

Eastland's American Spectator is funded by the billionaire publisher
Richard Mellon Scaife. It has been a clearing house for salacious gossip
and extravagant allegations against Clinton from the first days of the
Clinton administration. In late 1993 the American Spectator published
charges by Arkansas state troopers who claimed to have procured sex for
Clinton while he was governor, referring in passing to a woman named
"Paula." This article, whose author subsequently issued a public
retraction, was seized on by Paula Jones as the pretext for her suit.

Bill Kristol is a pundit who appears regularly on Sunday TV interview
shows. He plays a prominent role in the right wing of the Republican Party.

A dossier on the Claremont Institute published by Americans United for
Separation of Church and State (AU) outlines the institute's promotion of
right-wing libertarian policies as well as positions central to the agenda
of the Christian right. It also notes the political ties of the institute
to other bodies that have played a major role in the impeachment drive.

AU points out that Thomas has a long-standing connection to the institute,
which is based in Claremont, California. He addressed the group in December
of 1993 and has accepted its Statesmanship Award.

One of the institute's main financial backers is Scaife. Claremont accepted
$75,000 from the Sarah Scaife Foundation in 1994 and $225,000 in 1997.

Claremont President Larry P. Arnn ran unsuccessfully for Congress in the
Republican primary for California's 43rd Congressional District in 1992.
Last year he was asked by Republican congressional leaders to help shape
the party's platform for the year 2000.

Arnn is also a member of the Council on National Policy, a network of
right-wing Republican officials, leaders of Christian right organizations
and other far-right operatives that meets regularly to plot strategy. The
Council on National Policy has played a major role in orchestrating the
impeachment drive, and it numbers among its members Republican politicians
who have been at the forefront of the campaign: Senate Majority Leader
Trent Lott, House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, and Bob Barr, one of the House
managers prosecuting the case against Clinton in the Senate. Other members
include Senator Jesse Helms, House Majority Leader Dick Armey, Pat
Robertson, Free Congress Foundation President Paul Weyrich, and religious
right radio broadcas

Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

Keep up the work!  Now, I realise that life is just this random event,
random moment after random moment.  Yet, despite being on this freefall
roller coaster, there are those who make a concerted effort to make some
sense of it all.  Ergo, religious texts, politics, learning (higher and
otherwise), and other systematic analyses come into play --- oh, almost
forgot 'writing';  the means by which thought and word are made into a
system of symbols.  And then there are the "Conspiracy Theory" -ists, who
look at the world in a different way.  The movie was about one of these
folks, and was not one of the themes:  "if you look at everything, the
chances are you might get something right" ?  Now, let's assume that the
people who made the movie really had an idea of what they were thinking,
talking about; it seems only natural they would put clues into the film for
the discerning viewer.  The movie was made **intentionally** and who knows
what little tricks and games the creators played.

The lettre "n" ?  This is the 14th lettre of the alphabet (as we in the
U.S. know it); 1 + 4 = 5 (2 + 3 = 5, too).  I think the Illuminati might
find this a significant number; if not them, certainly the Qabalists (a
current craze in MovieLand).  One hour and thirty-five minutes = 95
minutes; 9 + 5 = 14, and, well ... in a random world, coincidence happens
and must be accepted as such, a random event.



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: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie
: Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 7:50 PM
:
:  -Caveat Lector-
:
: I rented the Mel Gibson flick Conspiracy Theory last week, and spent
: some time flashing frame by frame looking for subliminals and other tid
: bits. Heres what I found.
:
: The first and most obvious subliminal is the Warner Bros logo in the
: first few seconds of the film. This isn't a subliminal per se but it is
: there (I think) to let people know what to look out for. Theres a lot of
: product names flashed around in the film (moreso than normal films with
: 'product placement')
:
: The Best subliminal I found was in the scene where Gibson and Julia
: Roberts are talking at her apartment for a few minutes. There is a bowl
: of fruit directly in the foreground (I remember it was much clearer on
: the big screen). The bowl of fruit looks exactly like a male genitalia,
: and it is in the picture for at least a minute while they are talking.
:
: 1 hour and 35 minutes into the film, the letters N N or N I N are
: clearly visible on crates as they drive past. The letter N seems to show
: up a lot.
:
: Where Jerry goes into the Federal Building and looks at the board
: showing the tenants, the following motley assortment are shown:
:
: Department of the Air Force, Office of Special Investigations,
: Army Corps of Engineers,
: Central Intelligence Agency,
: Department of Commerce,
: Bureau of the Census,
: Minority Business Development,
: FEMA,
: Federal Employees Assistance Program.
: Federal Executive Board,
: Federal Supply Service,
: Assistant Regional Administration,
: General Services Admin,
:  Office of Regional Admin
:  Office of Personell
:
:
: The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently. The bus they meet on is a
: number 5. The SPace Shuttle (according to the article he clips) will be
: in orbit 23 days 16 hours with a crew of 5.
: The numbers 16 and 48 also are frequent. There seem to be some patterns
: ut i am unable to discern them.
:
: His taxi number IS48
: Combination to his coffee 42312
: Bus Number 1648 (5 also visible)
: Subway platforms: 4716 and 4717
: Name on Taxi License: Kaffi Paloulian 4650217
: ALice's Mobile no: 9179239597
: Taxi ALice takes to confront Jonas: 3N23
: Global Fund for Mergers and Aquisitions suite number: 1203
: Office Number Alice calls on her mobile: 2125551257 (stored number #3)
: Fed Car at burst watermains 28073
: Gerrys Union Pin number 107
:
: There are also a few characters who reappear. The most obvious one is
: 'FLip', the newsagent/spy. Also note the old man in the bookstore who
: asks Gerry about the Catcher in the Rye is a security guard at the
: hospital he is held at near the end. There are probably others too.
:
: The newspapers Gerry clips state that:
: The item on the president to visit turkey: On the rest of the page is an
: incomplete article on GWS and Schwartzkopf claiming ignorance on why
: parts of his battle logs are miss

[CTRL] AIDS - Get thee behind ME

[1lls0081]

This article talks about getting rid of AIDS - and without drugs.


http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558329758-763

Title: Full Story












04:47 PM ET 02/04/99

Can Stopping AIDS Treatment Work?

 Can Stopping AIDS Treatment Work?
 By DANIEL Q. HANEY=
 AP Medical Editor=
   CHICAGO (AP) _ The tentative results of a small human experiment
 offer a glimmer of possibility that the body's own defense system
 can be trained to hold down the AIDS virus.
   The clearly risky approach attempts to mimic the success of the
 much-talked-about ``Berlin patient,'' a newly infected German man
 who stopped and started AIDS therapy and eventually quit it
 entirely, only to discover that his virus had inexplicably
 disappeared. He has remained free of HIV for two years.
   ``I don't see why others cannot become the Berlin patient,''
 said Dr. Franco Lori, head of the Research Institute for Genetic
 and Human Therapy at Georgetown University in Washington.
   Lori's team is one of a few exploring the idea that it may be
 possible to wean people away from the demanding regimen of AIDS
 medicines without actually curing them of their infections.
   Lori presented his findings Thursday at the 6th Conference on
 Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections.
   Some physicians are skeptical. They fear AIDS patients who learn
 of these attempts will stop taking the drugs on their own _ with
 potentially deadly consequences.
   ``My concern is that this will be overplayed,'' said Dr. Robert
 Schooley of the University of Colorado, a conference organizer.
 ``It sounds good to patients. Who wouldn't want to stop treatment?
 But the real question is whether you can change the immune
 response. I worry patients will stop therapy. Whenever that
 happens, in my experience, the virus comes roaring back.''
   Lori calls the approach stop and go. The idea: Treat people with
 standard AIDS drugs until all signs of HIV vanish from the
 bloodstream. Withhold the medicines until the virus returns. Then
 give the drugs again. Keep repeating the cycle until eventually the
 virus never comes back.
   It probably won't be eradicated entirely, so the theory goes,
 but the body's immune defenses will be able to keep it from the
 explosive growth that is HIV's killing trademark.
   Lori has tried the approach so far on three patients. While it's
 still too soon to know whether it will work, Lori finds the first
 few weeks' results promising. The interval before the virus returns
 is lengthening.
   Furthermore, he said that in more aggressive experiments on
 monkeys, the only practical nonhuman substitute for AIDS, the
 approach seems to keep the virus at bay for good.
   The next step is a much larger study involving 40 to 80
 patients, he said.
   Dr. Bruce Walker is conducting similar early-stage experiments
 on patients at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. ``We
 really don't have any data yet to suggest that this (stopping and
 starting therapy) is something we should be doing,'' he said.
   ``I would not put one of my patients on this,'' said Dr. Roger
 Pomerantz of Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. ``People
 have talked about this, but it's the first time I've seen anyone
 have the guts to try it.''
   In Lori's study, three patients took a combination of the drugs
 DDI, hydroxyurea and indinavir. The first time they stopped
 treatment, the virus returned in one week. Doctors treated them
 again and stopped. This time the virus stayed away for 2{ weeks.
 Again doctors started and stopped the drugs. The virus disappeared
 for six to eight weeks.
   No one knows how long this will go on or whether eventually
 these cycles will put the virus into permanent retreat.
   

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has...

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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The last word of the oath, as you have correctly provided it, is also
optional.  Any person who is opts for entitlement to wear the uniform is so
charged (and I think certain classes of civil servant are as well).

One of the issues involving the oath overall that provides some confusion
is "... obey the orders : of the President of the United States and the
officers appointed over me..."  Again, the assumption is all orders to be
obeyed will be legal and lawful.  The participants at My Lai, Rep of Viet
Nam, ran into problems with Lt Calley{sp?} (as he also encountered
problems) insisting on his orders to be obeyed.  And, so, a bit of
skepticism and personal judgment is always required, recogising that
politicians, officers (commissioned and noncommissioned), or civilian
equivalents sometimes don't have truth, justice and the American way on
their side(s).


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: Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:51 PM
:
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:
: The exact wording of the oath (if I recall correctly ) is:
: I, [ insert name here } do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will uphold
and
: defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign
and
: domestic, and bear truth faith and allegiance to the same, and obey the
orders
: of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me,
so
: help me God.
:
: The Air and Army National Guard also swear to obey the order of the
governor
: of the state in which they enlist; this being inserted after the mention
of
: the President.
:
: If you swear the oath, it doesn't matter if it's peacetime or wartime.
Simply
: put, you promised to obey orders.  As long as the order is lawful ( it
doesn't
: violate the law ) you're subject to punishment if you refuse to comply.
Since
: the military has the authority to order you to receive vaccination, you
don't
: have any choice.
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[CTRL] Release Rapists to Get Tax Evaders!

[Lloyd Miller]

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-Original Message-
From: Samuel E. Konkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: David Harmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: (fwd) Russia to free convicts from full jails


So rapists and murderers will walk free while room is made to stuff the
jails with tax evaders and other
counter-economists? More proof (as if needed!) as to whom the State
considers the Real Enemy.

Freely as ever, SEK3

David Harmon wrote:

> Russia to free convicts from full jails
> Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:27:48 PST
>
>
> MOSCOW, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Russia's justice minister has told a
meeting
>
> of the Russian government urgent measures are needed to open some space
> in Russia's bursting jails, and called for a summer amnesty, which will
> result in the release of almost 100,000 convicts.
> One percent of all Russian citizens is currently in jail, the
highest
>
> number per capita in the world, and the cash-strapped government says it
> can't afford to feed and house 1.5 million criminals, many of them
> jailed for minor crimes.
> In a report to the cabinet, Justice Minister Pavel Krasheninnikov
> (``PAH-vell krah-sheh-NEEN-nee-kawf'') said the number of convicts had
> grown rapidly, and something must be done to ease overcrowding, which
> has already attracted criticism from human rights organizations and the
> Council of Europe.
> Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov (``yehv-GEH-nee pree-muh-KAWF'')
said
>
> he fully supported the amnesty, which would create space for the
> thousands of economic criminals and well-known leaders of organized
> crime who are not behind bars.
> Primakov has ordered the launch of a campaign targeting
tax-evaders
> and criminals who commit large-scale fraud and tax-evaders, many of whom
> have up till now been virtually ignored by the police in favor of petty
> criminals.
>


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[CTRL] Skeptic News Friday #2

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 990205b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> SOHO SATELLITE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE. The SOHO sun-observing satellite has
returned to service more than a month after a gyroscope that kept it stable
failed. The $1 billion satellite's controllers returned it to service using
a new computer program to keep it orientated without the bad gyro. Frozen
for months, see http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/04/soho.back.ap/index.html

# Where the solar wind blows. (BBC) A satellite has identified the source of
the solar wind - a stream of charged particles that billows from the Sun.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_272000/272386.stm

@ Links: Soho: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
# Current image of the Sun: http://www.sel.bldrdoc.gov/current_images.html
@ The Sun: http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/sol.html
@ NASA solar probe: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire/sprobe.htm

: If we learn enough about stars, can we make our own? Must we maintain Sol
so it doesn't get soft and squishy? Are stars hard to make and fix? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# E.T. in Quarantine. (ABCnews) The Stardust mission will land a smidgen of
material from a comet onto the Utah desert in 2004. Should we worry about
contamination from the cosmos? Or has it already happened?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/oberg990204.html
# Going Comet Wild (EurekAlert!) It's in the right place at the right time.
http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/nasa-gcw020499.html
# University of Chicago Instrument To Get Close Look At Comet:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/02/990204082407.htm

: Are you contaminated by cosmic debris? Has is hurt your lifestyle? How?
How close a look at a comet would you like? Would you survive? Why not?

# Giving Vent to Life - Does Life Spring from Undersea Thermal Vents? TOKYO
(Reuters) - Japanese researchers report they have managed to re-create the
conditions from which life itself may have begun. Hot, Cold and Back Again -
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/lifeorigins990205.html

: Is life a top-down or bottom-up process? Or both or neither? How come?
Would you rather be contaminated by cosmic or underwater debris? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> GLITCH IN RUSSIA'S SPACE MIRROR TEST. An ambitious experiment in orbiting
a giant mirror was botched when the crew of Russia's Mir space station was
unable to open the umbrella-like mirror. "There is an emergency situation.
The mirror won't unfold." Crew will continue trying to deploy it. Snagged
on beam - see http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/04/space.mirror.01/index.html

# Russians Give Up On Space Mirror Experiment. MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian
Mission Control abandoned any further attempt to project the sun's rays on
to darkened areas of the earth with a giant mirror following a snag at the
Mir space station that thwarted the scheme. Another one bites the dust -
see http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990205/04/international-mirror

# Znamya is going nowhere. (BBC) Predictions that space mirrors will turn
night into day are nonsense. Another expert tells us what is impossible -
see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_272000/272489.stm

# Astronomers attack Russian space mirror plan (CNN) - Bedazzled - see
http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9902/04/space.mirror.reaction.reut/index.html

# Crisis Looms in Space - Budget Cuts, Hiring Freeze Hurt Space Safety (ABC)
CAPE CANAVERAL (AP) — A safety oversight panel warned NASA today that it’s
headed for a crisis because of cutbacks. Losing Core Competencies - see
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/space990204.html

: Will space mirrors ever work? How about orbiting power stations? Are
aliens sabotaging human space efforts? Will we ever get off-planet? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Battle rages over mystery Miami Circle. MIAMI (Reuters) - In a city famed
for jet-set glitz and  political tumult, a dusty, centuries-old circle in
stone has fired the passions of schoolchildren, native Indians and builders
in a classic clash of development and preservation.  Stonehenge west - see
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/Reuters19990204_1657.html

: What is your favorite megalith? Who put it there? Are replica megaliths
as good as the originals? What do you do at megaliths? Do they need upkeep?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> MIT CREATES iNET TIME CAPSULE. What do Bill Gates, VictoriasSecret.com,
and free software have in common? Not much, but soon they will all share a
digital time capsule as an attempt to bottle the cyberzeitgeist circa 1999.
Frozen - see http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9902/04/mit.idg/index.html

: Which industrialists, UFOlogists, politicos, programmers should be placed
in the capsule for 100 years? Will they improve with time? Will we notice?

# Robots That Think On Their Feet Now Possible. Researchers have stated a
theory and devised an algor

[CTRL] My Defining Moment.(Was Fascism On The Move)

[flw]

 -Caveat Lector-

>> J2, Do you really mean what you posted or are
you a
>> victim of MK ULTRA?
>> FLW
>
>I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in
Greece when
>the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist
state.
>Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the
less. What
>you have here is nothing like the fear that
people conducted
>their lives under.
>
>These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys
( Libertarians
>and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There
are groups in
>this country  which face a fascist government
daily in their
>lives. You middle class white guys with computers
are not among
>them yet.
>
>Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license
for a gun is
>not fascism even if Hitler did it too.
>
>Joshua2

Let me tell you something J2.

How do you  know I am a "middle class white guy?"

You know nothing about my life history.

I am tired of smug, trendy, leftist stereotypes.

Do you want to know my defining moment?

A few years ago, while watching CNN I witnessed
American tanks
smashing, burning, gassing American children,
women, men live on T.V.

I watched with my mouth open and heart pounding.
At that moment I was
ashamed to be a veteran. I was ashamed to be an
American.

Shortly after, the corporate media and our
esteemed "leaders"basically
applauded this mini holocaust. The Attorney
General of the United States,
the nation's chief law enforcement officer,
proudly took credit for this mass
murder.

The American People (including the "compassionate"
leftists) shrugged it off
and the general comment was "they got what they
deserved."

Fascism had surely arrived.

And it was applauded.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Liz Schumacher]

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June, youd be surprised how many nurses refuse the hepatitis
vaccine they are supposed to get before they start working.

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Re: [CTRL] Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up

[flw]

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-Original Message-
From: nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
>>
>>  -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> In a message dated 2/1/99 9:42:56 PM Eastern
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> writes:
>>
>> <<
>>   THE Israeli Prime Minister caused uproar
yesterday with his
>>  election slogan, "a strong leader for a strong
people",
>>  which critics said echoed Nazi and fascist
propaganda.
>>  Avraham Burg, chairman of the Jewish Agency
and a candidate
>>  for the Opposition Labour Party, appealed to
Binyamin
>>  Netanyahu to drop the slogan. He said it
reminded many
>>  people of the Nazi party slogan and insulted
Holocaust
>>  survivors and their families. "The sound of 'a
strong
>>  leader, a strong people' is coming directly
from the
>>  conceptual framework of the Third Reich of 50
to 60 years
>>  ago," he said. >>
>>
>> There's an old saw that "We become what we
hate," and it's been
>> pretty obvious that Israel demonstrates its
truth very well.  Prudy
>
>This is just political rhetoric.Vladimir
Jabotinsky said the same
>thing
>before Hitler ever came to power. The same thing
happened here between
>the Hawks and the Doves during the Vietnam era.
The parties are
>delineating
>there political positions for the election.
>
>Don't be in such a rush to compare Jews to Nazis.
There's still a long
>way
>for Jews to go before they reach that level.
>
>This should not be construed as a defense of
Netanyahu. Just a
>clarification.
>
>Joshua2


I don't believe in comparing "Jews" to Nazis.
Or comparing "Non Jews" to Nazis.
I do believe in comparing Fascists to Fascists
however.
flw

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[CTRL] Skeptic News Friday #1

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 990205a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# CDC ISSUES GUIDELINES ON BIOTERRORISM. In response to a series of threats
in the US recently alleging use of anthrax as a bioterroristic weapon, the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued interim guide-
lines to assist public health officials to respond to the "growing threat"
of bioterrorism. http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9251

# Race to find key to killer flu. (BBC) Scientists are rushing to find the
clues to what caused the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic which killed 40m people
before another strikes. Experts fear another one could be just around the
corner. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_272000/272081.stm

@ Links: Horizon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon
@ Influenza outbreak: http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/panfacts.htm
@ Flu preparations: www.acponline.org/journals/annals/01apr96/pandemic.htm
# Russia gripped by flu during cold snap (UPI):
  http://nt.excite.com/news/u/990204/17/health-cold

: Is flu a better bioterror weapon than anthrax? Is Russia being subjected
to biowar right now? Is this a test-bed for the next flu pandemic? By who?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Tale of Two Numbers. The difference between year 2000 and the next census?
See http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/WhosCounting/paulos990201.html

# MILLENIUM BABY: COUPLES, START YOUR ENGINES. Who will have the first baby
of the new millenium? If you want to try for this distinction, a New Zealand
doctor says you should synschronize your reproductive efforts for April 9,
the most likely day to have a baby on Jan. 1 in the year 2000. Ready, set,
go... http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9107

: Will babies born on 1/1/2000 have the Y2K bug? Can they be inoculated?
Will the Y2K US census be too buggy to be usable? Is there a connection?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 20,000 BABIES BORN VIA ASSISTED REPRODUCTION. More than 20,000 babies were
born in the U.S. with the help of assisted reproductive technology (ART) in
1996. http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=9172

: When will all humans be test-tube babies? Will we be better for it? Why?

# BABIES ‘SIGN’ FOR FOOD. Can infants communicate about simple things? Yes.
Researchers say infants as young as 9 months can be trained to use American
Sign Language instead of crying to let you know they’re hungry or sleepy.
See http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9205

: When do humans start communicating? When do we start paying attention? Do
implants improve the process? If telepathy worked, would we learn to speak?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Muslims 'ready for Rushdie sacrifice' (BBC) A leading Muslim cleric says
Muslims should be prepared for any sacrifice if Salman Rushdie visits India.
"We shall pursue Salman Rushdie relentlessly if he comes to India," said
Syed Ahmed Bukhari. "If we have to give our lives, we are ready." Good idea.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_272000/272354.stm

@ Links: Salman Rushdie: http://www.crl.com/~subir/rushdie.html
@ India Ministry of External Affairs: http://www.meadev.gov.in/
@ Bharatiya Janata Party: http://www.bjp.org/
@ Congress Party: http://indiancongress.org/
# Indian Muslims protest visa to Rushdie (UPI):
  http://nt.excite.com/news/u/990205/01/international-rushdie

: Is ritual murder-suicide an effective way to weed-out religious fanatics?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# BARBIE TURNS 40, GETS TATTOO: WILL SHE GET A NICKEL ALLERGY, TOO? Barbie
turns 40 next month and faces a mid-life crisis, so her makers are making
her hipper by giving her a tattoo. Is a nose ring next? If so, Barbie's
chances of getting a nickel allergy are high, along with those of you
sporting nose rings and other body piercings. Infection must be cool too -
see http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9230

# The Hacker Gap. (ABCnews) What’s it like for a 30-ish hacker gone
corporate to watch a younger, more destructive class of computer vandals
emerge? Contempt flows both ways across the hacker generation gap. See
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/hackers990203.html

# WHERE CAN I FIND THE "BETTER LOVER" CIRCUMCISION STUDY? The study was on
women who had experience with both types of men - and there was no contest.
Women overwhelmingly preferred intact men to circumcised men. Read'em and
weep - http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9103

: Is anatomy destiny? Is surgery/piercing mutilation? Are implants sexy?
Will age and treachery beat youth and enthusiasm every time? Why not?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# CHINESE HOT POT: WOULD YOU LIKE OPIUM WITH THAT? A Shanghai restaurant was
caught serving opium in its hot pot, in an attempt to keep customers coming
back for more. Opium is, of course, officially illegal in China

[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 "My Body".B

[J FROST]

 -Caveat Lector-

There is no such thing as "stupid/illegal." "Stupid" and "illegal" are
different words. They have different meanings. To conjoin them is
disingenuous
///
The words have different meanings ... like water & you are different
things, but when you get in the water you are all wet.

When someone altars their minds with dope/booze they make them
self stupid.
While crime is a different thing than stupid, stupid people commit more
crimes.

People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher insurance.
People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher taxes.
People who make them selves stupid, sicken, injure, assult and kill
innocent people.
Even when they don't kill people by intent in their stupor, their victims
are just as dead.
You can tell a dirt bag when they create different standards than they
have for themselves, so what do you say to this law...
When some drunk kills someone's little kid, the drunk should be made
sober and their kid be tied to a tree and hit by a car.
   After all we know liberals believe in equality don't they?

How about anyone intoxicated on the job will be denied insurance
coverage when they have an accident?
How about the next time some one on a stupor rapes a woman, your mother
will be taken to prison to be raped by some convict?

If these suggestions enrage you, you are a dirt bag, you are willing to
allow
such things to happen to other people's families but not your own?
  boo hoo

=

   GUNS VS DOPE
Like guns, drugs themselves cause no harm until they are used by those
who can't handle them
///
What kind of people use guns in crimes..
Less than 3% of all weapon crimes are used in emotional crimes
(Most domestic disputes, some in a fit of rage)

When people become highly emotional, they are not rational,
they even call it temporary insanity...
  ( crime - not accidents)
#1 Less than 7 % of weapon crimes are used when emotions cause
 the brain to malfunction.
#2 and over 89 % of all weapon crimes are used by dopers and drunks.
  WHEN THE BRAIN IS MALFUNCTION

Get your own statistics from the disease control center and then explain
to us why those with altered brains do what they do.

Booze and dope makes the brain malfunction. There are thousands of
people in gun clubs who meet with their guns and NEVER kill anyone.
Cops are NEVER called to this group of people ... but look at the
groups of people who meet in liquid dope establishments and get the
police reports to see how many times the cops have been there!

==
Guns have been at every one's finger tips for the last 200 years.
When I was a kid there was no rules against carrying a knife in school
(except switch blades) Kids could get guns from home, but they weren't
going to school with guns.
Guns and knives were ready available for the last 200 years ago but
it has not been until the last 45 years after the dope revolution that
kids have been murdering kids and metal detectors are in schools.
///

Drugs has been around and in use since Neanderthal times. Never were
they fought over until they were prohibited by law. What ever harm
\\\
Well when I was in school, if someone mentioned the word pot, the
only thing that would have came to my mind is the thing you had
to empty in the out house in the morning.
Cocaine .. just something you might see in a movie,
crack, that vertical line up your rear.
speed, something that was good at the drag strip ..
Dope was non existent when I was in school

No, not until after the drug revolution did crimes multiply and today
(48 Hours) 80% of all those in prison are drunks/dope users.
Guns have always been available, it was not until after the drug
revolution that kids had to pass metal detectors to get in school.

In 1986 I was ripped off for my tools, the ones with which I was
feeding my family at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that they
were stolen by a cocaine addict. There is no doubt whatsoever that he
sold them to buy cocaine. There is also no doubt that  elements of the
United States Government aid, abet ...

Hmmm I never thought about it that way but you are right.

If we were allowed to defend ourself we could blow a hole through
the heads of dope users and/or drunks who commited crimes against
us, they could/would not harm us or anyone else again, BUT
it is the government who
1)  Protects the criminials so we can not protect ourselves.
2)  They make us pay to keep the criminials and then
3)  They turn the criminials lose to get stupid and rob, rape, beat
  and/or kill another victim.
So we have the unofficial criminials on the streets and the official
criminials in the government.
===
Billions are made because of prohibition. It has corrupted our society
at every level, from the cop on the corn

[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 05 Equality.A

[J FROST]

 -Caveat Lector-

I would submit that there are plenty of people who are crazy who
walk around all the time with a loaded weapon and DON'T shoot anyone.
Should they all be punished simply because they MIGHT do something wrong?
///
People can't help it that they are crazy but sane people are held
accountable for their choices.
I'll bet crazy people aren't allowed to have guns.

Here your argument is (I think) should people be stopped from doing
something
just because it MIGHT result in harming others.

#1  Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no
#2  Should every one have the same right to profit, get stupid or do any
thing
  they want because their acts only have the potential to harm
others?
#3  or should only a select group have the right to endanger others?

Let me know before I post a list of people who are fined and imprisoned
for endangering others and then I will ask why you are not defending
them.

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[G Kuric]

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June wrote:

>>The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout
of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I started exhibiting the first
symptoms of
what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I
asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that
there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one
of them...I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER...>>

My experience was identical!  Additionally, I've had a 5 week virus lately
that defies diagnosis and treatment.  Hard to get in to see a doctor around
here as the whole town appears to have same mystery respiratory illness.

Teo1000 - here's a start:

http://www.healthy.net/LIBRARY/Articles/Schacter/hypothyr.d.htm

Gail

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Re: [CTRL] Fascism On The Move Toward New Order

[nurev]

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flw wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> ---
> >> Richard makes some good points as far as it
> goes.
> >> My criticism is that his examples
> >> of fascism are too one dimensional. He
> basically
> >> relates to "bottom up" fascism. What
> >> we are experiencing now in the good ole USA is
> >> "top down" fascism.
> >>
> >> A long term plan through a partnership between
> the
> >> political class (politico-paths) and the
> Corporate
> >> Elite to destroy individual freedom through
> >> Corporate Statism.
> >>
> >> Why? Simply for the economic benefit of the
> Elite
> >> and the sheer joy of power exercised by the
> >> political class.
> >> flw
> >
> >Fascism with power behind it exists where FLW
> points to.
> >It is not the political philosophy of choice by
> the current
> >crop though. They are too liberal. This will
> change with
> >the continued failure of their economic plans for
> the world.
> >
> >They could easily be replaced by corporate
> fascists like the
> >ones that populated the Reagan administration
> during the cold
> >war.
> >
> >We are not there yet. The subject is premature,
> and the paranoia
> >is overblown.
> >
> >Joshua2
>
> My God man! Look about you! Not there yet? The
> journey of 1000 miles is near its
> end. The locomotive engineer can see the station
> in the distance.
>
> To make a distinction between the current crop of
> "liberals" and the Reagan "conservatives"is like
> trying to make a distinction between Robert (let
> them eat interest) Rubin, Madeline (bombs away)
> Albright and James Baker and George Schultz. These
> corrupt Statists are all peas from the same pod.

Yes they are. I was referring more to the background groups
like The Committee on the Present Danger and their ilk. Old
george shultz and many others among the conservatives were
about as fascist as they could get away with being, and
that wasn't " fascism " either.

> Do you really mean what you posted or are you a
> victim of MK ULTRA?
> FLW

I mean what I posted. I spent a brief time in Greece when
the Colonels were running it. That was a fascist state.
Not Nazi fascism mind you, but fascist none the less. What
you have here is nothing like the fear that people conducted
their lives under.

These exaggerations are silly. It's like you guys ( Libertarians
and Paranoids ) have gone off the deep end. There are groups in
this country  which face a fascist government daily in their
lives. You middle class white guys with computers are not among
them yet.

Chill out. Making you crazy fuckers get a license for a gun is
not fascism even if Hitler did it too.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Will The Real Fascist Please Stand Up

[nurev]

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 2/1/99 9:42:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> <<
>   THE Israeli Prime Minister caused uproar yesterday with his
>  election slogan, "a strong leader for a strong people",
>  which critics said echoed Nazi and fascist propaganda.
>  Avraham Burg, chairman of the Jewish Agency and a candidate
>  for the Opposition Labour Party, appealed to Binyamin
>  Netanyahu to drop the slogan. He said it reminded many
>  people of the Nazi party slogan and insulted Holocaust
>  survivors and their families. "The sound of 'a strong
>  leader, a strong people' is coming directly from the
>  conceptual framework of the Third Reich of 50 to 60 years
>  ago," he said. >>
>
> There's an old saw that "We become what we hate," and it's been
> pretty obvious that Israel demonstrates its truth very well.  Prudy

This is just political rhetoric.Vladimir Jabotinsky said the same
thing
before Hitler ever came to power. The same thing happened here between
the Hawks and the Doves during the Vietnam era. The parties are
delineating
there political positions for the election.

Don't be in such a rush to compare Jews to Nazis. There's still a long
way
for Jews to go before they reach that level.

This should not be construed as a defense of Netanyahu. Just a
clarification.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Welcome to the Fourth Reich

[nurev]

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Mike Moxley wrote:
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> WELCOME TO THE FOURTH REICH
> by Michael J. Woodman
>
> We as a people have ignored and abhorred the truth of this century. We
> have forgotten the Third Reich so we are moving to the brink of the
> fourth Reich. Not in a reunified Germany, but here in America.
>
> In order to have a new world order, one must destroy the independence
> of a free people "for their own good." Today our government has begun
> the destruction of America as a free people. We are being forced to
> register long barrel fire arms in violation of the second amendment
> right to bear arms freely.
>
> They have bridled free speech, free worship and free assembly over the
> past 10 years. Now they bridle the free ownership of weapons of
> defense. First they register your weapons, then they come for them for
> "your own good and the safety of your children."
>
> I am not a member of the gun coalition, nor a member of the NRA, nor a
> member of any militia in any state. I am a defender of the
> constitution and the Bill of Rights. For I am also a student of
> history.
>
> We have passed laws in this land that would have done Stalin and
> Hitler proud. We have aborted human life and now assist people to "die
> with dignity" (suicide, or accurately: murder of self). We have
> legally stopped free speech, especially in the "Hate Crime" laws,
> which will be used against Christians like RICO has been used in
> regard to a scriptural stand on homosexuality, lesbianism and right to
> life.
>
> The skin heads are not real Nazis. They are only want-to-be's. The
> real Nazis sit in the White House and sign laws which they swore an
> oath not to sign. They sit in Congress subverting the constitutional
> obligations while writing laws forbidden by the constitution.
>
> They sit on the Supreme Court rewriting the constitution to fit their
> vision of America. They have created new rights such as abortion and
> uphold laws such as the Brady Bill.
>
> People will scream at this report because they fear their government
> of the people, for the people and by the people. They will say that I
> am wrong in my assessment. They will say that the Brady Bill will
> protect us from the criminals. I don't know of any criminal that
> legally purchased a gun.
>
> In order for the state to collect all the guns from the law-abiding,
> they must first know where the guns are. Therefore pass a national
> registration package so that the national, not the state, nor the
> individual, can control ownership of guns for defense even against the
> current Gestapo, i. e. AT. Both criminals and intolerant governments
> fear one thing: an armed populace. One of the first things Nazi
> Germany did to the people was to disarm them.
>
> If we do not turn this nation around from its present course, then one
> day articles like this one will be illegal. I am not some left-wing
> bomb thrower from the 60s, but a man who took an oath to defend this
> nation and its constitutional form of government from all enemies both
> foreign and DOMESTIC SUCH AS THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION.
>
> Today we have begun the decent towards the new world order of the
> fourth and final Reich. You can not have a strong citizenship and a
> new world order. It is impossible to build this order with Americans
> owning weapons in their homes.
>
> Wake Up America before some storm trooper bashes your front door down
> by mistake!?!? Wake Up America before some jack-booted ATF Masked man
> hauls you off in the middle of the night. Since this is a new system
> you can be certain that it is Y2K proof.
>
> Wake Up America before the rule the Department of Defense, Interior,
> Education, and Justice. Hate crime laws are unconstitutional. They
> violate free speech and separation of federal and states rights. They
> also violate the double jeopardy clause of the law.
>
> Wake Up America and turn back to true equal justice under the law. 90%
> of the Great Society and New Deal laws and systems need to be scrapped
> and not rellaced with more devious legal traps. It is time to take
> back America or kiss it goodbye forever more.
> -

This is stupid rhetorical bullshit.
If this clown is so concerned, he can leave the country like the
German
Jews left Hitler's Germany in the 30's.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS

[nurev]

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
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> On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Sno0wl wrote:
> >This may rankle some on this list, but as the 40-somethings are being dislodged from
> >their corporate niches in favor of the cheaper 20-somethings, even you may, one day,
> >come to appreciate the importance of these issues.
>
> I appreciated the importance even before I became one of those dislodged
> 40-somethings...and I deal with it every day in my job search -- people
> rave about my resume, my background, my abilities...but when it comes
> down to PAYING me what I'm worth (and I'm not asking for the high-end of
> the range), they opt for recent college grads or outsource it to India,
> Pakistan, or the Phillipines where programmers work for pennies per hour
>
> June

What do you expect? Under a capitalist economic system it's profit not
quality, not experience, not consideration of someone's livelihood.
The
biggest cost of doing business is labor.

If this society lets businessmen continue to operate like this, we'll
have a population of aging homeless and yuppie twerps.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Jesse Dolan wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
>Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
>need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
>contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
>that would scare the admin's at my school.
>
>Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
>airheads...
>Hehehe

I suggest you consider the subject "Trolls Masquerading As Teenagers
Doing Research Into 'Conspiracy Theories'"


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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

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Bummer!!

YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
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>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Source - Richard wrote:
>>It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu
>>injection.
>
>No, it is notat least, that's not how it's marketed to the public,
>where those who are at greatest risk for respiratory infection are
>pressured into getting the shots.
>
>
>>The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to
>>help build up your immune system.
>
>Didn't work in my case...not only did I get the worst case of flu I'd
>ever had in my whole life, but I continued to get very bad cases of flu
>every year thereafter, where before I'd only had maybe 3 or so bouts of
>flu in my life...
>
>And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by
>destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune
>system...
>
>
>June
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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Source - Richard wrote:
>It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu
>injection.

No, it is notat least, that's not how it's marketed to the public,
where those who are at greatest risk for respiratory infection are
pressured into getting the shots.


>The jab actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to
>help build up your immune system.

Didn't work in my case...not only did I get the worst case of flu I'd
ever had in my whole life, but I continued to get very bad cases of flu
every year thereafter, where before I'd only had maybe 3 or so bouts of
flu in my life...

And it would seem that flu shot ended up DESTROYING my immune system by
destroying my thyroid, one of the most integral organs of the immune
system...


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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News Thursday #1

[Ric Carter]

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-Original Message-
From: Doug Keachie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> : If little Pluto can be a planet, can I be one too? Should
>> Rush Limbo be launched into orbit and declared a planetoid?
>
>No, he cannot be a planetoid, but he could be the first planeturd...
>
>> Would you like to be a planet?
>
>Rather own one.

Aw, c'mon, you can do better than that.  There are plenty of
demagogues, entertainers, amateur politicos and UFOlogists who
are worth reviling, orbiting, ionizing.  And we are all our
own planets, or maybe humanoid asteroids, bouncing around in
eccentric orbits, probed and scanned by NASA, manipulated by
aliens, blasted by radiation.  So where's the human Oort belt?

  Ric "rambling away with insufficient caffeine" Carter

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Teo One Thousand wrote:
><< Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of
> what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I
> asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that
> there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one
> of them... >>
>You mind telloing me what the symptoms are for this malady?  I may be
>experiencing Thyroid problems also.

Hashimoto's is just one type of hypothyroidism...an underactive thyroid.
In my case, 'something' triggered my thyroid to think that it's own
tissue was an invading organism, and so it attacked itself, destroying
most of its tissue...I have perhaps only a quarter or less of my thyroid
still 'alive' and functioning...

The thyroid regulates all the other endocrine systems and hence affects
ALL major organs and systems of the body...so there's no simple and easy
answer to the question "What symptoms do I look for?", since what one may
be experiencing can manifest as an increase in allergies, as a heart
problem, digestive disorders, headaches, increased susceptibility to
infection, problems with the reproductive system

But generally, if one is hypothyroid, you'd find yourself tired most of
the time, or getting tired easilyyou'd probably tend to feel colder
than everyone else (indeed, a simple test to check for hypothyroidism is
to take one's basal temp every morning -- first thing upon awakening,
before doing anything else, you take your temp -- opinions vary about
whether to take it orally, or by sticking it under your armpit for 10
minutes -- and record your temps for every morning for two weeks...if
you're hypothyroid, you'll find you're running a few degrees below
normal) (the armpit temp's normal temp is a few decimals below one's oral
temp)

Another common sign is very dry skin, and one may or may not have a
goiter...also one tends to lose one's appetite, but ironically tends to
put on weight (or find it difficult if not impossible to lose weight)

Hyperthyroidism differs in this respect, in that sufferers tend to gain a
greater appetite but continue to lose weight...but other than symptoms
like heart palpitations and insomnia, those suffering from
hyperthyroidism very often exhibit similar symptoms to those suffering
hypothyroidism, because as I said, the thyroid's function is to regulate
everything else, so when it malfunctions via either extreme, the symptoms
that manifest are usually via something 'down the road'

Thyroid disorders can also affect one's mood...hyper's tend to be hyper,
hypos tend towards depression...


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[CTRL] Broaddrick Not Alone Says Clinton Gubernatorial Rival

[Lloyd Miller]

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Broaddrick Not Alone Says Clinton Gubernatorial Rival
Carl Limbacher
February 4, 1999

In an exclusive interview late last week, onetime Arkansas gubernatorial
candidate Sheffield Nelson told NewsMax.com that for years he's known of a
woman who alleged that then-Gov. Bill Clinton had raped her. Nelson refused
to identify the victim but did emphasize that the woman, a friend of his
wife's, was not Juanita Broaddrick.
Reached at his Little Rock home on Thursday, Nelson revealed that he had met
with Broaddrick and her friend, Phillip Yoakum, at her office in October
1992. Both Yoakum and Nelson were trying to convince Broaddrick to go public
with her devastating account of a bruising sexual assault by Clinton 14
years earlier.

Two years before that meeting, Nelson had failed to unseat Clinton in an
election that earned the future president his fifth term as governor.

Nelson informed Broaddrick that her unwanted encounter with Clinton was not
unique. Still, Nelson told NewsMax.com, the other victim "will never come
forward." One source familiar with the meeting revealed that one of the
reasons the woman was reluctant to go public about her attack is because she
had been drinking heavily when it occurred.

In his 1996 best-selling Clinton biography, "Partners in Power," Roger
Morris reported that "A young woman lawyer in Little Rock" had claimed that
then-Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton had "forced himself on her,
biting and bruising her."

Though the attack left her severely traumatized, she kept quiet "for the
sake of her own hard-won career and that of her husband." Author Morris
added that the husband confronted Clinton at the 1980 Democratic convention,
telling the then-governor, "If you ever approach her again, I'll kill you."
According to the account, Clinton did not deny the incident but instead
"sheepishly apologized and duly promised never to bother her again."

In a November 1997 interview with this reporter, Morris would not divulge
the identity of this woman, with whom he had conducted several face-to-face
interviews in 1993 and 1994. Subsequently, Morris has refused to respond to
questions about whether this woman is Juanita Broaddrick.

But a source close to Broaddrick told NewsMax.com last week that Broaddrick
had been apprised of the rape account in Morris' book and flatly denied ever
speaking to the author. Broaddrick does not match the biographical profile
offered in Morris' account. She is not from Little Rock and was never a
lawyer.

NewsMax.com asked Nelson if the woman in Morris' book was the person who
told his wife that she had been assaulted by Clinton. Nelson pointed out
that the victim in Morris' report was apparently married at the time of her
alleged Clinton assault. According to Nelson, the victim he knows was not
married when the same thing happened to her.

These accounts indicate that Juanita Broaddrick's 21-year-old ordeal may not
be completely uncommon. If Morris has never interviewed her, as she
reportedly confirms, then there is a second allegation of forced sex against
the former Arkansas attorney general. And, as Sheffield Nelson explained,
that second account does not match that of a third woman who has privately
claimed she was also raped.

Could there be three assault victims still struggling with the trauma they
say was inflicted years ago by a young Bill Clinton?

On Dec. 18, CNBC's Chris Matthews asked Florida Rep. Tillie Fowler about
secret evidence currently sequestered in D.C.'s Gerald Ford Building --
evidence that is known to cover Juanita Broaddrick's allegation.

MATTHEWS: You mean the rape accusation? FOWLER: Those and others.

Up to 20 House members reviewed the confidential material on the Broaddrick
case and "others" as they weighed Clinton's impeachment. Though the precise
nature of the Ford Building evidence on Clinton and other possible victims
is not known, the material left House members stunned.

Rep. Chris Shays told the New York Times that the material involved
allegations of conduct that was "horrific." Rep. Matt Salmon told the
Arizona Republic that what he saw left him "nauseated." According to Chris
Matthews, Rep. Mike Castle was "reduced to tears" after his trip to the Ford
Building.

Plainly, the American public is being kept in the dark about evidence
against Clinton that goes far beyond anything publicly known about Juanita
Broaddrick's case.

To read more on Juanita Broaddrick click here.



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WASHINGTON -- A Miami lawyer is seeking 
the removal of Kenneth Starr as independent counsel 
because Starr, at the same time he was investigating the 
Clintons, worked for a company wholly owned by the 
Chinese government.
"This is one of the most egregious examples of 
conflict of interest and ethics violations I have 
seen,” lawyer Jack Thompson said, explaining his 
motion seeking Starr’s ouster. The motion was 
filed this week with Attorney General Janet Reno, a 
federal ethics official, and the three-judge panel that 
appointed Starr. 
In his motion, Thompson claims that Starr violated 
the conflict of interest provisions of the Office of 
Independent Counsel law. 
According to the 1994 independent counsel statute, 
only the attorney general can remove a court-appointed 
independent counsel. 
Thompson said he also filed the motion with the 
three-judge panel that appointed Starr "because 
there is nothing in the law prohibiting them from 
finding Starr violated conflict of interest 
rules.” 
Thompson also has requested the panel use its power 
to order his motion appended to all reports Starr has 
filed or will file with the court.
Specifically, Thompson notes that at the same time 
Starr was independent counsel he served as a paid legal 
counsel to CitiSteel, a Delaware steel company wholly 
owned by CITIC. CITIC -- or the Chinese International 
Trust and Investment Company -- is considered the 
financial arm of China’s People’s Liberation 
Army and is chaired by Wang Jun.
According to court records, Starr represented 
CitiSteel in a case before a federal appellate court. 
Starr argued that the new Chinese owners were lawful 
when, after they bought the company, CITIC refused to 
recognize the company’s union. The court agreed 
with Starr and the Chinese owners in a ruling issued in 
1995. 
Wang Jun is a shadowy, high-level communist official 
who also is chairman of Poly Group, another enterprise 
controlled by China’s PLA. Poly Group was mired in 
controversy in 1996 when it was revealed that Wang Jun 
had met Bill Clinton at the White House. Days after the 
meeting, the administration moved to waive customs 
restrictions and allowed the company to import 
semiautomatic rifles into the United States. 
Thompson said the Chinese connection raises so many 
questions about Starr's "independence" that 
Starr should be removed from office.
In his motion to Reno, Thompson wrote, "You 
should treat as a red flag the fact that Ken Starr, a 
man reputed to be highly sensitive to any appearance of 
improprieties by the OIC, did not even alert you to this 
Chinese connection. This is very troubling." 
Thompson, a conservative Republican who once opposed 
Reno in an election f

Re: [CTRL] List Participation

[Jim Condit Jr.]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear TEO -- go back and check the one Hawk replied to the bizarre Clinton
lover who also defended (sheepishly) computer vote counting devoid of
Citizen Checks and Balances -- Hawk's answer encapsuled the entire debate in
one sentence. I only read about 4 of his messages, but they were all that
way. Jim Condit Jr.

> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Teo One Thousand
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:49 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] List Participation
>
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 2/3/99 11:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Well, I wondered what happened to Hawk. His replies (the ones I saw) so
>  thoroughly showed up the fallacies of the arguments of the people he was
>  debating that I'm not overly surprised he was kicked off the
> list. Too bad.
>  I guess we're spiraling down to the lowest-nurev-denominator.
> Jim Condit Jr.
>   >>
>
> Nothing in his replies showed up any fallacies in any arguments
> that I saw.
> His postings appeared to be designed to cause disruption, nothing more.
> Teo1000
>
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Re: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)

[Jim Condit Jr.]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey! Doesn't this post break the rules? I mean, it mentions that bad guy
Zundel who's picking on half of the Ottawa parliament. His whole case is
about that unmentionable area of historical inquiry? Did you all know that
the anonymous Canadian Tribunal of Human Rights (HA!) ruled that for Zundel,
truth was not a defense. Just trying to be helpful! Jim Condit Jr.

> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Franklin Wayne Poley
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:45 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy. (fwd)
>
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:42:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [BCPolitics] ZOG: The Non-Conspiracy.
>
> From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> But you see, Jasiek, this is where I disagree with you and the whole "ZOG
> Busting" movement. As Pogo says, "The enemy is us". Zundel, Christie and
> people like them are "demagogues" which means they play on peoples'
> emotions to manipulate them. Or just think of the "Chicken Little"
> phenomenon. Even if the sky is falling do you think that sly old fox has a
> solution? I don't. Without Jew-bashing these ZOG Busters have almost
> nothing to say. My challenge to them always has been, "Then you tell me
> about a better society and maybe I'll buy into YOUR way instead of the ZOG
> way." Until then, long live ZOG! At least it is a system even if it has
> lots of flaws. The Christie Critters have NO SYSTEM. Zundel is a little
> boy who can get nowhere unless he makes a big noise. That is why he is
> suing half of the Ottawa Parliament. It doesn't have to do with freedom or
> free speech. That is just smoke and mirrors.
>This is where I also disagree with lists like CTRL which turf these
> people off. I have had hundreds of people come and go throgh lists I have
> moderated and not kicked one person off. Zundel kicked me off his list
> because he can't defend his position and he won't accept an invitation to
> come onto a list like this because he can't win in a free and open debate.
> But it's your life. If you fall for the Chicken Little ploy you will
> suffer the consequences.
> FWP.
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote:
>
> > From: jasiek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> >
> > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, jasiek wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: jasiek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > You have remember Franklin's words and A. Lincoln - then
> > > > you can do something. Now in my country is blocked 155 highways
> > > > and over 60% farmers push the government to create money
> with no interests and
> > > > debts.
> > >
> > > I have many Polish friends Jasiek. In fact my brother-in-law
> was born in
> > > Poland. I had Polish professors in college like the psychiatrists
> > > Dabrowski and Weckowitz. So I know more about Poland than you think.
> > >
> > >  Just make a conclusion of my point. If you don't get a
> conclusion, then
> > > > you have join the NWO usury-banking system and after you'll
> accepted small
> > > > bio-chip under your skin, because the government do NOT
> want loose no one who
> > > > want to desipire into the bush. Finally you can run, but
> you can't hide anywhere.
> > > > That is the future in American Nation very soon. Good luck
> and put some creme on
> > > > your skin that electronic device will go more easy...
> > > > Have nice fun...
> > >
> > > Don't get hyped up about what US tele-evangelists tell you
> (like Van Imp,
> > > Hagee etc.). They play "chicken little". They scare people so
> they will
> > > come into their fold where they can pick their pockets. So
> they come out
> > > with a lot of "mark of beast" crap. No US tele-evangelist
> that I know is
> > > anything but crap with legs. In its wisdom the CRTC in Canada
> proscribed
> > > these tele-evangelist frauds long ago. One of the biggest family of US
> > > moral degenerates goes by the name of Graham. Recognize it?
> Be cool. Use
> > > your head and it will all work out.
> > > FWP.
> > >
> > > > ===
> > > > jasiek from toronto
> > > >
> > > > http://www.connection.com/~rysio
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > > > Be sure you're right, then go ahead. What is your plan,
> Jasiek? Are you
> > > > > sure it is right?
> > > > > FWP.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, jasiek wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: jasiek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, J FR

Re: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!

[Jim Condit Jr.]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Jesse --- Tell him that you looked in the white pages and saw that the
Federal Reserve Board is listed next to Federal Express. Ask him "How can it
be that our money and interest rates are controlled by a non-government
corporation that is trying to make a profit off the American people? Best
Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. P.S. If he comes off that he doesn't know the FED is
a private company, he's really dumb or lying.

> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Jesse Dolan
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 1:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Topics Please...?!
>
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hello everyone,
> I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
> Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
> need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
> contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
> that would scare the admin's at my school.
>
> Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
> airheads...
> Hehehe
>
>
> Jesse Dolan
> www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954
>
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> spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Source - Richard]

 -Caveat Lector-

It is a known fact that you get an extreme case of flu AFTER a flu injection. The jab 
actually infects you with a flu virus of some sort to help build up your immune system.

Richard B.

Eric Roberts wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>June,
>I have a similar story. Got sick , I think it was a few weeks after getting >a flu
>shot. Then we were informed that there was something wrong with the vaccine and
>that it didn't protect against one virulent strain of flu that was becoming >common.
>
>I wouldn't get another one.
>Eric Roberts
>
>YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
>
>>  -Caveat Lector-
>>
>> Teo1000 wrote:
>>
>> >Well, as regards this sickness.  I am sick myself and it is most unusual.  I
>> >am told it is the flu, but it is unlike any flu I have had before, in >addition
>> >I got a flu shot around October of last year.
>>
>> The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout
>> of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before,
>> it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc.
>>
>> Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of
>> what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I
>> asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that
>> there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one
>> of them...
>>
>> I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER...
>>
>> June
>>
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Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theory: The Movie

[Source - Richard]

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You most certainly have too much time on your hands.

Johannes Schmidt wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>I rented the Mel Gibson flick Conspiracy Theory last week, and spent
>some time flashing frame by frame looking for subliminals and other tid
>bits. Heres what I found.
>
>The first and most obvious subliminal is the Warner Bros logo in the
>first few seconds of the film. This isn't a subliminal per se but it is
>there (I think) to let people know what to look out for. Theres a lot of
>product names flashed around in the film (moreso than normal films with
>'product placement')
>
>The Best subliminal I found was in the scene where Gibson and Julia
>Roberts are talking at her apartment for a few minutes. There is a bowl
>of fruit directly in the foreground (I remember it was much clearer on
>the big screen). The bowl of fruit looks exactly like a male genitalia,
>and it is in the picture for at least a minute while they are talking.
>
>1 hour and 35 minutes into the film, the letters N N or N I N are
>clearly visible on crates as they drive past. The letter N seems to show
>up a lot.
>
>Where Jerry goes into the Federal Building and looks at the board
>showing the tenants, the following motley assortment are shown:
>
>Department of the Air Force, Office of Special Investigations,
>Army Corps of Engineers,
>Central Intelligence Agency,
>Department of Commerce,
>Bureau of the Census,
>Minority Business Development,
>FEMA,
>Federal Employees Assistance Program.
>Federal Executive Board,
>Federal Supply Service,
>Assistant Regional Administration,
>General Services Admin,
> Office of Regional Admin
> Office of Personell
>
>
>The numbers 5 and 23 crop up frequently. The bus they meet on is a
>number 5. The SPace Shuttle (according to the article he clips) will be
>in orbit 23 days 16 hours with a crew of 5.
>The numbers 16 and 48 also are frequent. There seem to be some patterns
>ut i am unable to discern them.
>
>His taxi number IS48
>Combination to his coffee 42312
>Bus Number 1648 (5 also visible)
>Subway platforms: 4716 and 4717
>Name on Taxi License: Kaffi Paloulian 4650217
>ALice's Mobile no: 9179239597
>Taxi ALice takes to confront Jonas: 3N23
>Global Fund for Mergers and Aquisitions suite number: 1203
>Office Number Alice calls on her mobile: 2125551257 (stored number #3)
>Fed Car at burst watermains 28073
>Gerrys Union Pin number 107
>
>There are also a few characters who reappear. The most obvious one is
>'FLip', the newsagent/spy. Also note the old man in the bookstore who
>asks Gerry about the Catcher in the Rye is a security guard at the
>hospital he is held at near the end. There are probably others too.
>
>The newspapers Gerry clips state that:
>The item on the president to visit turkey: On the rest of the page is an
>incomplete article on GWS and Schwartzkopf claiming ignorance on why
>parts of his battle logs are missing.
>
>The orbituary for Harriman states he married Mellissa Garrison (any
>relation to Jim?).
>
>
>
>Anyway, if anyone can make any sense of any of the above, you probably
>need some time to relax!
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Re: [CTRL] [prj] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 "My Body".A

[nessie]

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>People do not do stupid/illegal things because they have guns or
knives.

There is no such thing as "stupid/illegal." "Stupid" and "illegal" are
different words. They have different meanings. To conjoin them is
disingenuous. Disingenuous rhetoric is characteristic of the War On
(Some) Drugs.

>People do  stupid/illegal thing when they are in a stupor.

Drugs are not the only things that stupefy people. Lies stupefy.
Belief stupefies. We have been lied to about drugs by what we nievely
believe to be "our own" government. It is not "our" government. It is
GOG, the Gangster Occupation Government, puppet of the drug cartels.
It is a  master of disinformation. It's lies have stupefied us beyond
anything the drugs themselves were ever capable of. The drugs
themselves stupefy only those who abuse them. The lies stupefy us all.

>Guns have been at every one's finger tips for the last 200 years.
When I was a kid there was no rules against carrying a knife in school
(except switch blades) Kids could get guns from home, but they weren't
going to school with guns.

I remember that era, too. We didn't carry guns because there was
nothing to be gained by carrying guns. This is no longer true.


>Guns and knives were ready available for the last 200 years ago but
it has not been until the last 45 years after the dope revolution that
kids have been murdering kids and metal detectors are in schools.

Drugs has been around and in use since Neanderthal times. Never were
they fought over until they were prohibited by law. What ever harm
they do to those who use them pales beside what the fighting has done
to the rest of us.

In 1986 I was ripped off for my tools, the ones with which I was
feeding my family at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that they
were stolen by a cocaine addict. There is no doubt whatsoever that he
sold them to buy cocaine. There is also no doubt that  elements of the
United States Government aid, abet, profit from and in some cases
participate directly in the cocaine trade. Ergo, some of the money
that cocaine addict paid for his drug went to the United States
Government. This is precisely and exactly the same thing as taxation
without representation.

Taxation without representation is the single most un-American act
possible. To be rid of taxation without representation is the very
reason our ancestors ran the redcoats out and founded this nation in
the first place. Taxation without representation is plain and simple
robbery, nothing more and nothing less.

I was robbed. I want my money back. I was robbed by what I was told
was my own government. They used a sick man's illness to force him to
do their dirty work for them. The way I figure, they robbed him, too.
Drugs are for sick people. This man was sick, nothing more. They robbed
 a sick man of his dignity and of his health. Eventually, so I've heard,
they
robbed him of his life itself.

Drug addiction is a sickness. It should be a matter between the
patient and his doctor. There is one reason and one reason only that
it is not. That reason is profit. There is no other reason that any of
the rest of us should be in any way effected or even, for that matter,
know about it. It's none of our business.

Billions are made because of prohibition. It has corrupted our society
at every level, from the cop on the corner to the very highest office
in the land. For the first time in all recorded history it has
provided the addict with economic motivation to spread his disease. It
has spread like wildfire.  The very thing we were told that
prohibition was enacted to prevent, it has fueled. We  were lied to.
Then we were robbed. We are still being lied to and we are still being
robbed.

Kids carry guns to school, not because of the drugs themselves, not
because they are in a "stupor," but because a small but significant
number of them are involved in an extremely lucrative business, a
business so lucrative that people of all ages, all races, both
genders,  and all stations in life are willing, and in many cases
eager, to kill for a chunk of it. This business never existed until
prohibition. The very first day that prohibition no longer exists it
too will cease to exist; it will cease to plague humanity.

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Teo One Thousand]

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In a message dated 2/4/99 11:41:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of
 what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I
 asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that
 there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one
 of them... >>
You mind telloing me what the symptoms are for this malady?  I may be
experiencing Thyroid problems also.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Topics Please...?!

[Jesse Dolan]

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Hello everyone,
I'm a High School Senior and in the next week a local Congressman ("Tom
Bliley" of VA.) is coming to my school for a question and answer and I
need some questions about conspiracies to ask him about. Stuff about
contrails, or something that would be an intelligent question. Something
that would scare the admin's at my school.

Please help me out, I want to show Bliley that teens aren't mindless
airheads...
Hehehe


Jesse Dolan
www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954

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Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS

[kimberly smith]

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Teo One Thousand wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 2/4/99 3:27:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> << Why
>
>  blame the little addict when it's the gov. pushing in the first place??My
> humble
>  opinion as it is.hmmm...
>   >>
>
> Excellent point lost in the shuffle by some probably!
> Teo1000
>

   Why thank you, did you catch my grave error in stating that MT didn't have an
opencontainer law? Well, I was wrong, I guess that's changed...and a speed
limit is coming
our way soon.but the bars here still give go cups as you walk out the
door..make sense??
 barley

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Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS

[Teo One Thousand]

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In a message dated 2/4/99 3:27:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< Why

 blame the little addict when it's the gov. pushing in the first place??My
humble
 opinion as it is.hmmm...
  >>

Excellent point lost in the shuffle by some probably!
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Air Force to court martial mechanic who has ...

[Chris Weller]

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The exact wording of the oath (if I recall correctly ) is:
I, [ insert name here } do solemnly swear [or affirm] that I will uphold and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic, and bear truth faith and allegiance to the same, and obey the orders
of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me, so
help me God.

The Air and Army National Guard also swear to obey the order of the governor
of the state in which they enlist; this being inserted after the mention of
the President.

If you swear the oath, it doesn't matter if it's peacetime or wartime.  Simply
put, you promised to obey orders.  As long as the order is lawful ( it doesn't
violate the law ) you're subject to punishment if you refuse to comply.  Since
the military has the authority to order you to receive vaccination, you don't
have any choice.

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Re: [CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS

[Teo One Thousand]

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In a message dated 2/4/99 12:05:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  You
 wouldn't let a crazy person walk through a shopping mall  with a loaded
 pistol, correct?  >>

This is not a valid argument IMO.  Besides I would submit that there are
plenty of people who are crazy who walk around all the time with a loaded
weapon and DON'T shoot anyone.  Should they all be punished simply because
they MIGHT do something wrong?  The POTENTIAL for crime is not a sufficient
reason to charge illegality against someone.  Remember that during the end of
the 19th century and the early 20th century the people in charge thought it
was "best" that certain people not breed because they had the "potential" to
have children who were deformed, and etc.  Thus they rationalized their
arguments for sterilization, which they subsequently carried out.
Mind you I am NOT saying it is necessarily saying it is a good thing to drive
drunk, just pointing out the ridiculousness of laws that punish for potential,
not for action.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] The 'responsibility era' - Texas Gov. George W. Bush talks:

[Howard R. Davis III]

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Kris Millegan wrote:
>

> NATIONAL
> The 'responsibility era'
>
> Undeclared GOP presidential frontrunner, Texas Gov. George Bush, talks
> about his cultural plan of attack
>
> By Cal Thomas
> He fears an economic slowdown because of the Federal Reserve's
> "stretching fiscal policy by lowering [interest] rates to the point
> where there
>
> may not be enough incentive for consumption."
>

Does this make sense to anyone? It seems to me that if the Fed lowers
interest rates there is more money in the economy and thus more
incentive for consumption. Anybody disagree with that?

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE

[Eric Roberts]

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June,
I have a similar story. Got sick , I think it was a few weeks after getting a flu
shot. Then we were informed that there was something wrong with the vaccine and
that it didn't protect against one virulent strain of flu that was becoming common.

I wouldn't get another one.
Eric Roberts

YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

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> Teo1000 wrote:
>
> >Well, as regards this sickness.  I am sick myself and it is most unusual.  I
> >am told it is the flu, but it is unlike any flu I have had before, in addition
> >I got a flu shot around October of last year.
>
> The only time I ever got a flu shot, within 6 weeks I had the WORST bout
> of flu I'd ever had in my whole life...I'd never been that sick before,
> it was the first time I'd ever had laryngitis, etc.
>
> Within the following year, I started exhibiting the first symptoms of
> what would be eventually diagnosed as Hashimoto's thyroiditis...when I
> asked the endocrinologist what causes it, she said they aren't sure, that
> there are any number of causes/triggers, a severe bout of flu being one
> of them...
>
> I patently REFUSE to have another flu shot, EVER...
>
> June
>
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Re: [CTRL] **DOPE SUPPORTERS**

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"Brown, Jeremy" wrote:
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> MJ,
>
>I admit I'm quite puzzled by your post. You say that I'm afraid of
> freedom, however you have produced nothing to support that claim. What I am
> afraid of is that more people, like my friend, will die because we all sit
> by plucking daisies and turning our heads to something we can work together
> to prevent. Also, you have said that a potential is not a crime. You're
> right, but..(this may shock you)...DRUNK DRIVING IS  It's illegal! You
> can't even have an open container in the car with you. That's the issue.
> And, again, I'll try and explain it to you in simple terms. I agree that if
> what you do does not harm anyone but yourself, by all means do it until you
> drop dead. That was not what I am saying. I'm saying that when your actions
> have negative impacts on those around you it becomes a problem. So please,
> everybody...stop thinking that I'm challenging freedom. I'm not! I'm only
> saying that there have been far to many good people cut down by drunk
> drivers. Something needs to be done. And, MJ, for you to even use the term
> "discrimination" in the same sentence as drunk driving is downright
> offensive.
>
> Jeremy


   I believe that in the common law there was such an offense as
"reckless endangerment". If someone observed another by HIS ACTIONS
endangering others that person could be prosecuted. If a jury of his
peers decided that, in fact, he had violated other's rights by acting
recklessly he could be convicted. The rights of both the person doing
the "reckless endangerment" and those he might effect were protected.
The laws that are above mentioned are not designed in a similar way in
that the charge may or may not follow actions which indicate that the
possible offender was acting in a way which endangered others. This is
the major problem with drunk driving laws, in my opinion. However, in
the majority of instances offenders of drunk driving laws are
apprehended subsequent to actions that are indicative of recklessness.

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Update on JFK assassination

[Eric Roberts]

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I was wondering if anyone has any current information on the status of
investigation of the JFK assassination. I know that the most recent investigation
by the government was completed last year. I don't think there was a smoking gun.

Eric Roberts

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