Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Tony, Thank you for sharing your views on this thread over the past few days. A couple of queries. -Original Message- From: Tony Luis All the above are carried out by so called Catholics who happen to be Catholics because through no fault of their own they were led to the baptismal font by their parents!! RESPONSE: Why could you not name any of the Catholics you refer to above??? Having said that the mess is not just caused by so called Catholics.. What about the Ranes, Pratap Singh and Vishwajeet who own large chunks of land and are part of the bribery and corruption bandwagon. What about Babu Kavlekar the MLA of Quepem and Chairman of the GIDC responsible for the Food Park Scam in Quitol? What about Ravi Naik and the Drugs Nexus? What about Digambar Kamat who will turn black into white or deny the truth and justice just to hang on to his CM chair to make his Crore a day in corrupt ill gotten gains RESPONSE: Rajan Parrikar has posted photographs on Goanet of BK on the land designated for the Food Park. But do only the Ranes own large chunks of land?? Are these the only names you can think of connected with the word 'Scam'?? Why this hang-up on one community?? Is the other community a Flock of Angels?? One can understand the resentment many of us feel towards what is going on in Goa. You are not alone. However when one starts to build a list of names for the Honor Roll, it is better to make a complete list or no list at all. There are many clammering to be on the Honor Roll. - B
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
The crab mentality is not the prerogative of Goans only. Such exist in the Italian community, among women's groups, in the Irish community here in Melbourne (observed it in real life), and perhaps many other communities. It is also known as the tall poppy syndrome. (Wikipedia: Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term used in the UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.). - Original Message From: Anthony C. L. Fernandes tonyfernandes1...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sat, 4 September, 2010 5:12:56 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans In my view is simply CRAB MENTALITY OF GOANS and let others take advantage of Goans are least bothered about.
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
On 6 September 2010 03:13, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: The crab mentality is not the prerogative of Goans only. Such exist in the Italian community, among women's groups, in the Irish community here in Melbourne (observed it in real life), and perhaps many other communities. It is also known as the tall poppy syndrome. (Wikipedia: Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term used in the UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.). COMMENT: Now that's a good one; the recent media reports re Mickky Pacheco and his denial. This has to be taken at face value at the moment no one is privvy to inside knowledge - just hearsay. Be patient and await the outcome instead of jumping to conclusions as Jose Colaco would rightly say...Could be Pacheco's opponents have it in for him. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Catholics , Catholics and more Catholics. Where are the CHRISTIANS gone? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page -'Announcements' Section - Original Message - From: Tony Luis dalboy1...@yahoo.co.uk To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought. Agnelo Pinheiro, After writing so well below, it would be a tragedy for you to think of not writing anymore. All views should be very welcome. And I see in Oscar's and your posts some movement ahead and in the right direction. Most of what you wrote I do believe is factual and based on sound observation . I agree that Congress and its band of prop-ups from NCP and independents with fat portfolios are and have been a disaster for Goa. Manohar Parrikar arguably was better than these thugs!!! However my only question is the inclusion of Catholics. Being a Catholic by name but not in Practice is no Catholic and therefore to include and label these thugs as Catholics is giving them an accolade they do not deserve at all. I am reminded that these thugs are like the Scribes and Pharisees that Jesus himself said ''Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees for being hypocrites who stand on the high altar and on street corners claiming to preach the faith but do not practice the truth or the faith themselves. I stress that this is my observation and not a condemnation !!! Well done Agnelo !!
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
I still say Manmohan Singh as the Premier of India - OK for delegation to meet, signature campaign etc. Never SONIA GANDHI since she is irrelevant as the head of the CORRUPT CONGRESS. I am against falling at the feet of this imported Indian. My grand OK for the 100 or 1000 K rally from dusk to dawn Come Dec. 19 2010. Cap, T-shirts with PPS insignia will send shivers down the Congress -NCP-BJP spines. And this is the need of the hour if any politics or politician has to perform for GOA and GOANS. My offer of 10K in 'KIND' for PPS is valid and getting stronger. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page -'Announcements' Section PS: Let us stop being CATHOLICS. Let us be CHRISTIANS, the followers of CHRIST for once. - Original Message - From: pinheiro gift.pinhe...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought. Dear Oscar and All Goans, This is the last time I will respond on this thread unless I see a good reason to write anything further. Before I go to core issue of this debate, let me unfold few facts about me as they hold relevance to this thread/debate. I had been the Congress Party active primary member for 14 years. As Congress worker, voted for Congress Party except 2007. I am a Catholic, not just by words by hard core practicing till date and intend to stay that way till the end in spite of all that afflicting the Catholic Church. Now, with regard to meeting Sonia Gandhi or Manmohan Singh with delegation is debatable. Yes, it might work if the approach is Carrot and Stick. Stick to my mind will hit hard if we succeed to show our strength on the street with International Indian media coverage. For this reason I support Carmen Miranda’s suggestion of Cap T-shirts. But, the people who are cause of these ills have to be the part of the solution. My suggestion, as we Goans love to sing and dance for every occasion, let do it that way. Call for a non-political rally represented by all activists who fight lone tireless battles in small groups under one banner with the slogan ‘NO TO CORRUPTION YES TO GOOD GOVERNANCE’ on 19th Dec 2010. This event could be something like dawn to dask or vice versa with participation from singers, dancers, tiatrs etc all pledging to say NO TO CORRUPTION. Concurrently run a signature campaign at the venue and then submit it to Sonia Gandhi or Manmohan Singh with delegation. Viva Goa by heart and soul. Agnelo Pinheiro
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Hi Bosco, It was because of the context in which I was responding. Agnelo's mail was about saying that some of the Catholics and Congress was responsible for the mess in Goa. My response was two fold: To say that these Catholics were Catholic but only in name But more importantly to demonstrate that the mess has also been caused by so called non-Catholics and named some to demonstrate the point. Thats why ! The intent was not because of a hang-up on either community. My thread is and has always been that the mess is endemic and goes across communities and peoples. Faith has little or nothing to do here as people that behave in this despicable manner do not practice their true faith and really have no in anything except the Greed and the work of the Devil !!! or that Power corrupts absolutely.. --- On Sat, 4/9/10, Bosco D bos...@canada.com wrote: From: Bosco D bos...@canada.com Subject: Re: Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought. To: goa...@goanet.org Cc: dalboy1...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Saturday, 4 September, 2010, 3:48 Tony, Thank you for sharing your views on this thread over the past few days. A couple of queries. -Original Message- From: Tony Luis All the above are carried out by so called Catholics who happen to be Catholics because through no fault of their own they were led to the baptismal font by their parents!! RESPONSE: Why could you not name any of the Catholics you refer to above??? Having said that the mess is not just caused by so called Catholics.. What about the Ranes, Pratap Singh and Vishwajeet who own large chunks of land and are part of the bribery and corruption bandwagon. What about Babu Kavlekar the MLA of Quepem and Chairman of the GIDC responsible for the Food Park Scam in Quitol? What about Ravi Naik and the Drugs Nexus? What about Digambar Kamat who will turn black into white or deny the truth and justice just to hang on to his CM chair to make his Crore a day in corrupt ill gotten gains RESPONSE: Rajan Parrikar has posted photographs on Goanet of BK on the land designated for the Food Park. But do only the Ranes own large chunks of land?? Are these the only names you can think of connected with the word 'Scam'?? Why this hang-up on one community?? Is the other community a Flock of Angels?? One can understand the resentment many of us feel towards what is going on in Goa. You are not alone. However when one starts to build a list of names for the Honor Roll, it is better to make a complete list or no list at all. There are many clammering to be on the Honor Roll. - B
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We are all shut for so many years and we all know that including me, atleast now that we know the facts lets open our eyes and as an individual lets fight for our rights and make it happen. God Bless Goa Thanks Mike From: Bernado Colaco Democracy has not worked for 48 years. Can you give us a date when it will work! Then we will shut up forever! BC Subject: Re: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. We cannot blame DEMOCRACY. We must make it work. Which we are not doing. Cheers floriano * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Very much WRONG there. For one - 'There is no 'good' and 'bad' persons when it comes to POLITICS. There are only 'good' and 'bad' intensions.' Two: Good or bad persons elected makes no difference or has nil relevance. The difference and relevance comes into play when one elects 'good' or 'bad' SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE. Aren't we barking up the wrong tree Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page - 'Announcements' Section. - Original Message - From: Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:15 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans Carmen Miranda: For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right. Response: Carmen, sorry if I sound like a dampener to your above suggestion. There are no short cuts. The goans in Goa have to take responsibility to elect persons of good character and integrity. While it is good to be idealistic, we also need to be practical. Regards, Marshall * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear All, The discussion on this topic has been nice to read. However, we all seem to be focused on solving the problem through elections only. Our democracy is anyways flawed, candidates will promise the moon before elections then not deliver, with no repercussions (worst that can happen is they will not get elected again, that too for the next election after 5 years). I remember how successive Calangute MLAs promised to remove the River Princess she's still there. Without regulatory bodies or media to expose malpractices, the corrupt have no fear. What about focusing on our people? The common Goan, the problems that they face, the youth who will be voters tomorrow. Why does the common man feel so helpless that he feels the need to take favors from politicians to get his work done? Why cannot one have pride in standing on one's own feet without taking any favors? I was in conversation some time back with a friend he was telling me about a neighbor of his (holding a MBA degree), who wanted someone's influence to get job! Why is it that our people feel so helpless that they believe, that only through influence things can get done? Is it that we want results quick without effort? Or does the common Goan believe that it's the only way things work. Will bringing change in perceptions in our society contribute to better leaders ultimately governance? I agree, such a change will definitely not come overnight. Recently, we had the World Goa Day celebrations, which I too feel is a good concept. But why don't we also have events such as Promising Goan Leaders, Best Goan Inventor, Cleanest Goan Village, Social Activist Awards etc. Maybe, rewarding hard work, excellence honesty could be a strong influence for others too. It would also encourage others. Maybe sponsor Goans with potential in sports / studies, sponsor research studies (environment, economics, technology etc) in our Universities. Our next leaders may come from these young people. I don't agree with comments about CRAB mentality the like. I do not think European / American society was perfect in their beginnings. Cribbing about past not providing solutions is a waste of time. Society can change if we bring about the change. Providing solutions for a better future is what matters. Best Regards, Inacio Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:12:56 +0400 From: Anthony C. L. Fernandes tonyfernandes1...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans Message-ID: aanlktinhokdlsa_pu-t1x8mc+ntvxevryqjcl-fyb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Marshall, Ref your question Isn't is worth introspecting what has stopped or prevented goans from becoming masters of their own destiny? Or is the present dismal state of affairs the destiny that the goans have voted for? In my view is simply CRAB MENTALITY OF GOANS and let others take advantage of Goans are least bothered about. Regards Anthony
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Dear Oscar, No 'knee jerk reactions' from me. My knees are made of 'footballer' stuff and the do not have any steel contents in them. I just don't kneel, even when I occasionally visit the CHURCH, therefore 'the no steel in the knees business' I maintain that every person has his/her own mind and views and opinions must be expressed. Otherwise we don't know the person and his/her thinking process. All I can say is YOU ARE MOST WELCOME. And. Thank you so very much for having understood GOASURAJ more than understanding FLORIANO, for GOASURAJ is important for GOA, floriano is irrelevant and dispensable. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page - 'Announcements' Section - Original Message - From: Oscar Lobo oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought. Dear Mario bab! I am sorry but I agree to disagree with your comments with respect to your opinion. I would like to ask you a question, please? We have waited for 48 years and 8 months; can we not hang on to hear Tony Luis’ speech even if it takes 2 hours to read? Many winners give up at the finishing line. Floriano bab – Mea culpa in advance should you get a knee jerk reaction to my response and comment. I do not want to loose another cyber acquaintance who is very important to me. You said:: “I sincerely believe that a lot of people holding placards and banners would be tired with some taking off quietly and temporarily for a peg of feni somewhere” Mogh assundhi Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. From: Mario Andrew Rodrigues Just one word ' WOW ' Floriano! I think TRUE Goans understands what Floriano says.
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Dear Marshall, Ref your question Isn't is worth introspecting what has stopped or prevented goans from becoming masters of their own destiny? Or is the present dismal state of affairs the destiny that the goans have voted for? In my view is simply CRAB MENTALITY OF GOANS and let others take advantage of Goans are least bothered about. Regards Anthony On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.comwrote: I have just returned from another trip to Sikkim. Sikkim and Goa share many things in common. Both joined the Indian Union under unusual circumstances. Both have low population, great scenic beauty, high levels of literacy, and gentle law abiding people. Where Sikkim scores over Goa is that the Sikkimese have taken control over their destiny. Education if free for all Sikkimese upto high school. There are no slums seen anywhere. Employment levels are high - mostly in government service as there is very little private sector employment. Sikkim like Goa earns a lot from tourism. Land cannot be sold to non-Sikkimese. They can only be taken on lease.Even Marwaris who have settled down here for generations are denied this right.Every Company setting up operations here has to mandatorily employ 80% locals especially in unskilled jobs and give an undertaking that they will train and employ locals for skilled jobs over a period of time. Sikkim has the highest density of cars per population in India. Crime is low or non-existent. Corruption is rare or absent at lower levels but does exist at higher levels. Sikkim has voted an IIT-IIM Member of Parliament. It was illuminating discussing with the gentleman his plans for the youth of Sikkim. He plans to make Sikkim an IT and education hub. Manipal University has already set up base. Isn't is worth introspecting what has stopped or prevented goans from becoming masters of their own destiny? Or is the present dismal state of affairs the destiny that the goans have voted for? Regards, Marshall * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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On 4 September 2010 06:13, anesim...@aim.com wrote [1] Besides the civic society, Media plays a big part in keeping the Government and Politicians on their toes. [2] Sadly, In Goa it is the mouthpiece of the Government and rumors has it that there is huge dedicated budget by the Govt.to wine and dine them. == re 1: I believe that Anesimo has got it right re 2: I believe that Anesimo has got it wrong. jc
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans... the continuing Saga of Goans 48 years on
Dear Mr Rodrigues, I am at the fag-end of the if Goa to be Ruled by Goans debate that is now taking place on the Internet, but being a complete green horn to the Politics of our Goan Diaspora, I simply fail to understand for the life of me, why we have to have that constant Crab like Mentality of taking a Snipe at Each other, especially when we have had some very constructive and excellent suggestions made by Tony Louis and Carmen Miranda, so please, try your best not to pull them down with your sniping just like the the tarred Crabs of Goa that now abound in Goa due to the Great Tar balls on it's beaches, from who nows where ? What puzzles me as a Goan even more is why, we Goans who consider ourselves more intellect than the present motley Crowd of Members of the Goa State Assembly who, due to the history of our fate are so unrepresentative of Goa are able to hood wink their way to the Migrant Vote Bank and Commercial Bank with so little intellect academic qualifications, and with, so much as a little tiff between themselves, unlike some of us who simply revel in Sniping ? Dear Mr Rodrigues and fellow Goenkars who are following this debate in Earnest, please try to Refrain from SNIPING at EACH other as this only Exasperates the likelihood of US ever being able to want to Guide OR rule OURSELVES. Why cannot we take a Cue from this Year's Wold Goa Day in UK, where the Theme was Ami Soglim Aik Ixttaghots OR United we Stand Divided in Our Thoughts or DEEDS We FALL , like the ruins of CABO de RAMA !!. Therefore, my personal plea is, Be REAL and be MAN and WOMAN enough to realise that having a GO at each other like Spoilt Brats only makes the Day of our YEARNING or DAWNING to be our own Masters that much difficult and it might take another 48 years OR Longer. Do we really want to wait that LONG, because by then, most of us here on the Internet will all be well-fried, not fired up and 6 feet under, so who will be the flag bearer of our Gold Orange Azure flag for Amchem Goem if we continue in this vane ? By actin as we do, GIVES the 40MLA's a breather that we cannot even agree on simple things like constructive Suggestions in the usual Goan Crab like mentality way, with due respect to the poor crustacean which is a Creation of God to be a Crab with it's own mission in life, to serve us on a platter !!Do we need to be like Crabs therefore to Serve our New Masters 48years forever on end ? Finally, please Be Real Ladies and Gentlemen if that's what you really want to achieve in the very long march yet again, after Annexation of not being the MASTERS of OUR own GOAN DESTINY, Are we forever to be led led hand foot by the so-called High Command in Delhi? If you count to TEN, you can visualise what our Liberators and the Freedom Fighters had it in for US and I don't make any bone about it, to be in chains in the guise of Liberation. Today, we Goans represented by the 40 or So MLA's are still Jumping and Dancing like puppets to their TUNE, not our Own Goenkarponn Kan-tar, because the strings are still being pulled by our Liberators and the long gone Freedom Fighters, who are but, only resting(in their grave) on their Laurels. So we should ask ourselves this very telling question, was Annexation of GOA worth it's weight in Thought, Soul, Deed OR am-chem Goan Soil ? How SAD really, but perhaps we have made our Bed with the Liberators and we should lie in (with them) it for Better or for Worse not for Richer or Poorer as we are ouch more the Poorer for having been Liberated by our new Masters at the Centre ? This is my way of looking at things as they stand in Goa and I am Cock Sure, some of you will disagree with me and have your own thought on this,.but please before you do, No Sniping Please,We are Goans and not Crabs !! Regards Fag-end Joe From: Mario Andrew Rodrigues Just one word ' WOW ' Floriano! I think TRUE Goans understands what Floriano says. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans... the continuing Saga of Goans 48 years on
Dear Niz Goankars, We can take a Goan out of Goa; BUT we cant take out the CRAB MENTALITY FROM A GOAN... Thanks and More Mog, Cynthia -- God Answers Knee-Mails (Would appreciate if you please send all your queries to Cynthia Fernandes by using the below link) Dear Readers, To enable you to receive all the latest news and happenings at the Cynthia Fernandes Network, I invite you to follow me at www.cynthiafernandes.info It will take less then a minute, but you have to take action to let me help you better. Looking forward to give you loads of information. www.cynthiafernandes.info * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 22:14:55 -0400 From: Carmen Miranda carmitamira...@gmail.com Carmen.. I like ur Tshirt suggesion.. Rgds, Arwin To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans Message-ID: 4c805a1f.3060...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dear All While what has been discussed here is all very interesting but not new and some of the ideas to solve this chronic problem of Goa's decay are just pie in the sky, unrealistic and pointless, I am not clear as to what is the point of this discussion group and how some of the postings suddenly appear in goanet out of context? Attempts to ridicule my T shirt suggestion as one practical way in which we could show popular feeling about corruption in Goa was not very constructive . May I remind you that this technique has been used around the world and was recently used in Thailand and Iran with red and green shirts respectively, which almost brought down the governments of those countries. It is an old method of visually showing where you stand when it comes to political movements, and can be very effective - a visual and strong show of popular unity behind a cause. -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see below: 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/ 3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/ 4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO: http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html 5. For the Love of Konkani: http://www.radiogoa.net/ 6. Goa's Identity Movement website: http://www.goamag.net/gim 7. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686 8. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
How can one expect Goa to be ruled by Goans? Goans cannot fulfill their basic civic responsibilities. Pavements are not provided they walk on the roads. Pedestrian crossings are not provided they run across and often get hit by speeding vehicles. Mourn and wail a little and are back to their routine. They ride 2-wheelers but do not take the responsibility of wearing helmets. They behave well only if a police is sited around. No water supply in their pipelines, they grumble but are happy with tanker supply. If in one lane there is a traffic block they just switch on to the next irrespective of whose way they obstruct. The four wheelers will block the two wheelers from proceeding. They will pay the bribe first and scream later. They will complain that politicians are chors but will be the first to stand in line to collect free coconut saplings and free fertilizer from the politician. They will curse the miners and builders but have no shame to prostrate before them for sponsorship. They will howl about environment destruction but have no reservations in receiving awards from unscrupulous real estate firms. They will protest against development on hill slopes, but their projects will be designed and built on hill slopes.They will curse the migrants but have no problem going repeatedly before a Chief Town Planner from U.P. pleading for relief. They blame migrant labour for malaria and chikunguniya but will hire them to work in their houses. They will purchase expensive mosquito repellents but will do nothing to eradicate breeding sites of mosquitos. They claim to be learned but read migrant gossip columns to up date their knowledge. When we cannot govern ourselves into performing our daily responsibilities as citizens, how are we going to choose our leaders to govern the State? When we are dependent on migrants to do our every work, how can we be expected to rule Goa? Dream big but start small. Good luck! -Soter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Dear Mario bab! I am sorry but I agree to disagree with your comments with respect to your opinion. I would like to ask you a question, please? We have waited for 48 years and 8 months; can we not hang on to hear Tony Luis’ speech even if it takes 2 hours to read? Many winners give up at the finishing line. Floriano bab – Mea culpa in advance should you get a knee jerk reaction to my response and comment. I do not want to loose another cyber acquaintance who is very important to me. You said:: “I sincerely believe that a lot of people holding placards and banners would be tired with some taking off quietly and temporarily for a peg of feni somewhere” Do we always need to keep our spirits up by pouring spirit down? We Goans need to give better image to the rest of India as we have received a lot of bad publicity in bollywood films. Has anyone stood up with any film directors so far? Still sussegad even if we are portrayed like that. Another reason for someone from other states i.e. Andra Pradesh, Maharastra to get Ministers post and be our leaders. I agree with you wholeheartedly that our dream has been “wet dream” and I would like to add a word to that “Wet poisonous dream” Having said that, I strongly believe that Goasuraj should be given a chance (I reiterate again that I have already spread the word with my childhood friends and others through personal contact) and perhaps a few more new Goan parties should give birth to keep the pressure on. We should also have more people standing as Independent Candidates and both work from cradle to grave to show we are very serious this time failing which we will loose whatever is left. I seize this opportunity to thank Carmen Miranda, Matanhy Saldanha, Eduardo Faleira, Minguel Braganza, Dr. Oscar Rebello Bevindo Colaco, Arwin Mesquita, Benedict Lobo, Rene Barretto, Basilio Magno and many countless Goans in Goa and overseas who have done their part in various ways with whatever they can. It is now the turn of the rest of us to play our part/s. Inform our family and friends in Goa to vote for Goa party such as stated above. Synergy and the lesson of the geese in a V formation is very important for us Goans at this critical time in every way and for. It is also time for 365 days unity not just one day. We need to change direction together like the geese. Thank you Mario and Floriano for your thoughts which if not expressed would deprive me and others from giving their thoughts albeit some on the people on this forum have been sitting on the fence, reading, laughing for reasons best known to them yet we have giving this opportunity to be involved to have a say. Coming down from the fence or bolcao and joining in the V formation is important and it is not late. She will be coming down the mountains when she comes; she’ll be bringing sanna vodde when she comes will be a reality when we have Goa for Goans. Mogh assundhi Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. From: Mario Andrew Rodrigues Just one word ' WOW ' Floriano! I think TRUE Goans understands what Floriano says. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans. - Serious food for thought.
Dear Oscar and All Goans, This is the last time I will respond on this thread unless I see a good reason to write anything further. Before I go to core issue of this debate, let me unfold few facts about me as they hold relevance to this thread/debate. I had been the Congress Party active primary member for 14 years. As Congress worker, voted for Congress Party except 2007. I am a Catholic, not just by words by hard core practicing till date and intend to stay that way till the end in spite of all that afflicting the Catholic Church. Goa's biggest problems are these very C C. i.e Congress and Catholic. Congress Party has done more damage to Goan than any other party and still doing it. Congress Party and its leaders past and present worked for themselves and not for Goa. Corruption, Illegal Mining, Mega project, Drugs you name it and all these vices are prevalent in Goa. Sonia Gandhi has nerves to make noise and even call a opposition Chief Minister ‘Traders of Death’. What Drugs and Mining is doing in Goa is not the same? Why she is silent on these issues affecting Goa and Goans? Our so-called Catholic MP’s and MLA’s and Ex-MP don’t apprise her of the ground realities? Oh! she is waiting circa 2012 to come to Goa to celebrate Golden Goa! What about her election promise to Goa at Fatorda 2007? Are we still to trust Congress who has betrayed Goa more than once. Catholic, is become synonymous in Goan Politics and it ills. The so-called Catholic voters vote for the same Corrupt Catholic politician. The parable of The Prodigal Son narrated by Jesus is repeated every election. Jesus never said the same prodigal son be invited with open arms repeatedly betrayal after betrayal. This is what we Catholic in Goa had been doing with corrupt dirty politicians. The highest numbers of litigation are found in Catholic dominated Salcete Taluka. I blame squarely the Catholic for the mess in Goa as they have not lived up to the faith. Honour and dignity is the birth right of every individual just as freedom. When one loses honour and dignity there is no meaning to Freedom. I witness this at many occasions. I paid for my ticket (Dubai-Goa) and Rs 1000 as delegate fees to attend Global Goan Convention at Cidade de Goa in in Goa Jan 3-7 2007. What happened there everyone knows, who was thrown out and by whom and at whose instruction also everyone knows. But, did anyone dare raise it on that convention? Was it not the same issue which has engulfed Goa with fire now? I took a silent walk out of the hall never to return back to any CGC including Muscat driving distance by car. I had shunned all hypocritical Goan functions in Dubai for last 15 years because they fail to address Goa’s core issues. Goan Social events to my mind are meaningless if they do not connect to ground realities of Goa. Mere celebration of village feasts, dances, watching tiatrs and conducting football event are all but a sham. As recently as in June 2010, I was thrown out of Goan Forum for writing against Corrupt Goa Minister. This event I was invited and thought it was different but sadly nothing has changed in our perception. Honour and dignity for me is as important as freedom. Now, with regard to meeting Sonia Gandhi or Manmohan Singh with delegation is debatable. Yes, it might work if the approach is Carrot and Stick. Stick to my mind will hit hard if we succeed to show our strength on the street with International Indian media coverage. For this reason I support Carmen Miranda’s suggestion of Cap T-shirts. But, the people who are cause of these ills have to be the part of the solution. My suggestion, as we Goans love to sing and dance for every occasion, let do it that way. Call for a non-political rally represented by all activists who fight lone tireless battles in small groups under one banner with the slogan ‘NO TO CORRUPTION YES TO GOOD GOVERNANCE’ on 19th Dec 2010. This event could be something like dawn to dask or vice versa with participation from singers, dancers, tiatrs etc all pledging to say NO TO CORRUPTION. Concurrently run a signature campaign at the venue and then submit it to Sonia Gandhi or Manmohan Singh with delegation. Just meeting the representatives at High Command will not command any good as they are really sitting very high and only 1000K plus visual effects supported by equal nos of signatures might work. If this does not work then I am sure 2012 will be history for Congress. I mean no offence to any one, just few personal thoughts from a fellow Goan, a man of small means. Viva Goa by heart and soul. Agnelo Pinheiro * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Right on the nail, Mr. Baliga. http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg66038.html be assured that outside of first-generation emigrants who reminisce of Goa, the second-generation might call themselves Goans but they have now so much integrated into the fabric of their parents' adopted lands -- be it Mumbai, Kolkata or Timbuktoo -- that they do not know what Goa really is (check Indian depiction of Goa in their travelogues and Bollywood movies); those of the second-generation born outside India, I doubt that they would like to return back to their parents' roots to settle down after their rather unsavoury visits to India as tourists.. That has been my personal experience. Other mileage may differ. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Vasant Baliga vabal...@yahoo.com To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Fri, 3 September, 2010 2:39:18 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans You have put it very aptly.Now the enthusiasts need to define who is a Goan-is it by birth in Goa,ancestry or migration into or out of Goa at any time for any reason? And those who have migrated out of Goa and become Citizens of or are born in say USA,Australia,UK,etc-where do they stand?Are they still Goan or American,Australian,British? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Agnelo Pinheiro, After writing so well below, it would be a tragedy for you to think of not writing anymore. All views should be very welcome. And I see in Oscar's and your posts some movement ahead and in the right direction. Most of what you wrote I do believe is factual and based on sound observation . I agree that Congress and its band of prop-ups from NCP and independents with fat portfolios are and have been a disaster for Goa. Manohar Parrikar arguably was better than these thugs!!! However my only question is the inclusion of Catholics. Being a Catholic by name but not in Practice is no Catholic and therefore to include and label these thugs as Catholics is giving them an accolade they do not deserve at all. I am reminded that these thugs are like the Scribes and Pharisees that Jesus himself said ''Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees for being hypocrites who stand on the high altar and on street corners claiming to preach the faith but do not practice the truth or the faith themselves. For nowhere in the Holy Bible or in the Catholic Catechism does it teach the following: 1. To serve RATOL to a loved one 2. To smuggle gold for personal wealth and riches 3. To forcibly acquire land from poor people for a handful of rupees under false pretences for personal gain like the Food Park Scam in Quitol, Quepem and the Cutbona Jetty for a fish meal plant 4. To promote and delve in bribery and corruption as a pre-cursor to all deeds from the vote to helping someone secure a job or to getting a document signed 5. To collude with mining conglomerates to rape and pillage the land given to us by God himself to use in a way that respects the well being of others 6. To build bridges and roads for no valid reason other than to secure huge bribes from those that dare to place a tender 7. To use mob violence to attack police stations when police go about executing their legitimate duties. 8. To be involved in murders and violence against innocent youngsters or unsuspecting tourists or the use of goondas to secure their selfish disgusting ways either through drugs or violence. 9. To run rough shod over people's aspirations and land and disrespect their existence All the above are carried out by so called Catholics who happen to be Catholics because through no fault of their own they were led to the baptismal font by their parents!! Anyone who does not live his faith is not worthy of his faith and cannot be called a Catholic as it is an affront to Almighty God himself and as Jesus said they will be consumed in the fires of hell for being such hypocrites. Having said that the mess is not just caused by so called Catholics.. What about the Ranes, Pratap Singh and Vishwajeet who own large chunks of land and are part of the bribery and corruption bandwagon. And worse still the latter threatening to kill a Social Activist , Aires Rodrigues by mobile phone and then denying it? What about Babu Kavlekar the MLA of Quepem and Chairman of the GIDC responsible for the Food Park Scam in Quitol? What about Ravi Naik and the Drugs Nexus? What about Digambar Kamat who will turn black into white or deny the truth and justice just to hang on to his CM chair to make his Crore a day in corrupt ill gotten gains What about the disgraced Attorney General Subodh Kantak who was put in the dock and systemetically and skillfully exposed for corruption and personal bias and abuse of his office by Aires Rodrigues earlier this year in my presence in the Panjim Courts What about the other non - Catholic MLAs who are constantly on the bribery and corruption bandwagon? None of these are people are Catholic and neither can they be called genuine and practising Hindus or people of any faith. Otherwise next we will be saying that Hitler and Mussolini were Catholics !! and they probably were in name Unless and until these people can practise the virtues and follow by the example of OUR GOENCHO SAIB, St Francis Xavier and Pde Jose Vaz and other holy Catholics then they can be called Catholics. Having said all this it would be wonderful if Archbishop's Palace or House would join in a very active way through all the parishes to like Jesus did, to roundly condemn on a regular basis the evil deeds of these people and to warn people that people cannot serve two masters esp at election time and otherwise i.e. they need to choose between the teachings of Christ and the Greed of the Devil Every pulpit should be everyday asking people '' What doth it profit a person or an MLA if he gains the whole of Goa and suffers the loss of his own SOUL''? I stress that this is my observation and not a condemnation !!! Well done Agnelo !! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264
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CARMEN et al I CALL FOR A 100,000 + GOAN MARCH FROM THE MANDOVI TO THE CAMPAL GROUNDS ON A SIGNIFICANT DAY LIKE 26 JANUARY . Could be carnival come early!!! Placards T-shirts palm leaves etc with full coverage by Press, local and national and international TV ... Guests of Honour... Diggu Kamat and his 40 thieves This is not an original as you can tellhastily adapted by ME Lets go for it MY KEY NOTE SPEECH WILL BE AS FOLLOWS ! WE HAVE A DREAM We are all happy to join with each other today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our state. Five decades ago, the decency, truth and justice was cruelly taken away from us under the false pretext of a new freedom which paved the way for the mess that we are now in this once beautiful pristine stateThe PEARL of the Orient. This momentous march and coming together of decent Goans should serve as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Goans here and the world over who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It comes as a joyous daybreak to end the long days and nights of their captivity. But fifty years later the Goan still is not free. Fifty years later, the life of the Goan is still sadly crippled by the manacles of corruption, crime, murders, drugs, environmental damage, land grabbing, personal attacks and the chains of discrimination on lines of caste and creed. Fifty years later, the Goan lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. Fifty years later, the Goan is still languished in the corners of Indian society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense we've come to our state's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our state wrote the illusory words of the freedom from decent Portuguese rule and the Declaration of Statehood, they were signing a promissory note to which every Goan was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all people, yes, Catholics, Hindus and Muslims, MLAs, and regardless of occupation, caste or background would be guaranteed the unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, Justice, and the pursuit of Happiness. It is obvious today that Goa has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, Goan politicians in recent years have given the Goan people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds. But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this state. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of true freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind Goa and India of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of susegadism. Now is the time to make real the promises of real and true democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of corruption and greed and murder and drugs to the sunlit path of equality, justice, fair play for jobs respect for other peoples properties and the wishes of the people of this great state . Now is the time to lift our state from the quicksands of corruption and injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children in Goa and the diaspora. It would be fatal for the state and the country to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Goan's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Two thousand and Eleven is not an end, but a fresh new beginning unlike 1961. And those who hope that the Goan needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the state and the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in Goa until the Goan is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our state and nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to our people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds like the MLAs, Police and Courts that we seek to rectify . Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline and integrity and decency. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence like the Goondas do. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force
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Hi Salus, Thanks a lot for your comments. Democracy stuffed down our throats post 61 is a failure. Many here think that they can turn things around this rotten system. I am told by congresswallas that rave parties are used to extract bribes to fund their party activities. It is a huge network where police and politicians are involved. The reason for a mini constitution is that we can not control the ghanti migration into Goa, because the bharat rule is that everybody from their country can go around anywhere except for Kashmir and the NE areas. A mini constitution will also save Goa from being gobbled up by the money laundering banyias from the north. Thanks Best wishes BC Subject: RE: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. Well said Senhor!! It is the local pollies who are the main cause 0f the rut that Goa had been sliding into. People now elect those who they think will do some little illegal favour for them! Salus * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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We cannot blame DEMOCRACY. We must make it work. Which we are not doing. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page - 'Announcements' Section. - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco Hi Salus, Thanks a lot for your comments. Democracy stuffed down our throats post 61 is a failure. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Clear Vision? We will have to adapt the clear vision screen [ The rotating type which is fitted to the Bridge of the ship] in the minds of GOANs. Has anyone bothered to go through the 'Road Map for GOA' through and through which was published on 20 August 2005 to commemorate the 'WORLD GOA DAY?? We proudly call it a document of a lifetime. Because it is not written in a day, a year. It took a lifetime. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page - 'Announcements' Section. BTW: The Road Map for Goa is available for download on the Home Page above - Original Message - From: Oscar Lobo oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans Dear Carmen, Yes, there will be a clear vision once we engage our Goans in a proper forum and ensure we are not all over the place. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Will there really be a difference, if the Gulf Goans persuade their relatives to vote for one politician or the other? Trouble is even the so called 'honest politicos' soon get corrupted by the system. Don't you think that the Goan voter votes with the underlying assumption better the devil you know rather than the devil you don't know -- Tony de Sa. tonydesa at gmail dot com M : +91 9975 162 897 Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Tony Luis, That is a very long, emotive and touching SPEECH. I sincerely believe that a lot of people holding placards and banners would be tired with some taking off quietly and temporarily for a peg of feni somewhere. But I would compress your entire fantastic SPEECH to just a sentence. I would want the speaker to just say: WE HAVE A DREAM, We always have But for far to long it has become a ' WET DREAM' We can make it very dry and crips. BY DEMANDING THAT WE BE GIVEN THE ' PORTUGUESE RULE ' BACK AGAIN, MINUS THE PORTUGUESE, even though the Portuguese are here in Goa legitimately anyway with their tail between their legs. :-) Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page - 'Announcements' Section. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Tony Luis, A very touching speech.I hope I live to hear this one day standing among these 100,000 + people in Goa. In the meantime, let me dream on. Cheers Benedict On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Tony Luis wrote: MY KEY NOTE SPEECH WILL BE AS FOLLOWS ! WE HAVE A DREAM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Rightly said, Mr. Floriano. That’s the reason why we need to get out of the system of voting on party lines And religious/caste basis. Going by the constitution and road map of Goa Suraj Party, this is one and only Way to get things done in the proper perspective. I am migrating to gasperalme...@gmail.com For all future correspondence, pls use this email only. I am presently on a business tour. Good luck and best regards. Gaspar Almeida From: floriano We cannot blame DEMOCRACY. We must make it work. Which we are not doing. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Some of the tenents of true and real democracy are: A Government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people Goa and most of India for that matter fails on all three as it is A Government OF the Rupee, By the Goondas, the Rupee and those who are manipulated by TVs or bicycle and other gifts and FOR THEMSELVES.. Look at the Land Grabbing in Quitol for the alleged scam of a Food Park and the Cutbona Jetty project that runs roughshod over the peoples wishes!!! This is no Democracy... It is more DemoCRAZY to think it is Democratic!! Look at the strenuous efforts to create an Alemao dynasty to increase and save the Alemao wealth rather than to Save Goa!!! Furthermore the institutions, the pillars that uphold and support Democracy like the Judiciary, the Legislature, the Police and the other institutions are riddled with corruption and are therefore autocratic and dictatorial as orders come from Mr. Big Do as I say not as I do ...That is NOT democracy The concept of Democracy is there in Goa but TRUE DEMOCRACY IS NOT WORKING IN GOA!!! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Democracy has not worked simply because it is non existent in Goa!! Goans just think it is there!!! From: Bernado Colaco Democracy has not worked for 48 years. Can you give us a date when it will work! Then we will shut up forever! BC Subject: Re: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. We cannot blame DEMOCRACY. We must make it work. Which we are not doing. Cheers floriano * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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We need :- PURE DEMOCRACY: A democracy in which the power to govern lies directly in the hands of the people rather than being exercised through their representative. Goa Su-Raj Party = Pure Democracy. Vote for GSRP. B. M. Viegas * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear All While what has been discussed here is all very interesting but not new and some of the ideas to solve this chronic problem of Goa's decay are just pie in the sky, unrealistic and pointless, I am not clear as to what is the point of this discussion group and how some of the postings suddenly appear in goanet out of context? Attempts to ridicule my T shirt suggestion as one practical way in which we could show popular feeling about corruption in Goa was not very constructive . May I remind you that this technique has been used around the world and was recently used in Thailand and Iran with red and green shirts respectively, which almost brought down the governments of those countries. It is an old method of visually showing where you stand when it comes to political movements, and can be very effective - a visual and strong show of popular unity behind a cause. Further more, your tirade making fun of the fact that I asked what dreams or visions you all had for Goa, was also out of order and unecessary. This complaining culture needs to be changed into action culture. I wondered what exactly do you want to do with that real democracy and ideal governance system you are after? What is the vision for Goa besides stopping the ghantis from settling in Goa? And who is going to do the jobs the ghantis do today? Just ending up corruption and keeping Goa for the goans is not going to solve the decadence and development problems of Goa. This is not laughing matter for me. I don't think we should waste time with disparaging remarks, because if this is going to be the tone of this group, I want to get out please. Carmen Miranda * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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49 years and we Goans still do not know what we what and if we want how to get it. 49 years we had been dreaming and we still dream. How long? Utt Goyekara! Wake up from your slumber. Kumbakaran from Ramayan slept for 14 years and we Goans are sleeping for 49 years! Wake up Goan in Goa and Diaspora. It is now or never! I said this on this forum before and I repeat it again. We (Goans) are the cause of the problem and hence we ought to be the solution. Goans have misplaced priorities far too long. We must first pledge ourselves to shun corruption. Indulging, abetting and supporting of falsehood starts at our home. Honestly has long lost from Goan DNA. We have to restore it. Stop calling ourselves GOAN (Greatest Of All Nation). Stop glamourising the political demons. Shun the corrupt and tainted politician’s by boycotting them publicly. They may be all nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic. As Tony Luis suggested of a public rally of (100K Plus) people, it does make sense but we all know how easy to get people 100 people on the street. It a different matter we join in horde if there is a football match or a beat show etc. If, we have to carry this campaign forward and build pressure for a change, a change we all Goans want where ever we are then we have to start this day. Public rally on 19 Dec 2010 at 2 district headquarters of Goa, ie. Margao and Panjim is most apt occasion. The core committee must be set-up immediately. Which should include all active volunteers across the spectrum of affiliations such as village group, Xettkarancho Ekvott etc. It will be easy for coordination and crowd management if sub committees representing all villages are formed. Just 200 people from each village will give enough numbers. The ground mobilisation of people must be taken by core committee in coordination with sub-committee. As this will involved money and so honest people (we have them in on this list) with joint accountability is needed. Goans in Diaspora and NRI (specially the Gulf) must form committees to raise funds to support this cause. We, Goans in Diaspora and NRI in Gulf having been celebrating by dancing and singing far too long. It is time to act now. Mere lip service will not work. Lets make 19 Dec 2010 a colourful (with music and song and dance) gathering of peace loving Goans serving ultimate to the political class that 49 year of dishonest rule must end this day. Let the message be loud and clear that Goans will send Goa’s corrupt and tainted politician will be sent into exile in 2012. I conclude by this ‘A Thousand Words Will Not Leave So Deep An Impression As One Deed’ so let it be me first. I, together with my UAE Goans promise to raise Rs one hundred thousand for this cause. Anyone out there who dream to say NO TO CORRUPTION YES TO GOOD GOVERNANCE on 19th Dec 2010?. BTW: I have faith in my brothers and sisters who work selflessly; most of them are there on this forum. My appeal to the foot soldiers such as Carmen, Orlando, Sebastian, Et al to take this fight to its logical conclusion. God bless us all Agnelo Pinheiro * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Carmen, Greetings from Melbourne Carmen bhai! Although you have addressed the e-mail to Tony Luis (and it is his prerogative to reply), I take ownership of initiating the first e-mail with the caption. The purpose of the e-mail was for multifarious reasons; however the main ones were to see: The opinions of our well read Goans and their experiences in Goa since 19 December 1961 – those living and working in Goa. The opinions of our well read Goans and their experiences in Goa since 19 December 1961 - those living in Middle East and contributing heaps of deposits in banks operating in Goa. The opinions of our well read Goans and their experiences in Goa since 19 December 1961 - those that live overseas (other than Middle East) and are foreign passport holders and/or OCI PIO. The opinions of our well read Goans and their experiences in Goan before 19 December 1961 covering the above three categories. Both the Goans living in Middle East and other overseas countries that have wealth of experience in their respective countries and what they bring to Goa. How best we could get the results we want in the next election which may be too late unless we get a new party or the suggestions put by our Bernado Colaco which is worth considering. To see the leadership capability amongst us and what goes with it in terms of professionalism. Everyone wants something; but what is good for Goa and future generation is something we need to seriously think. The present state of Goa and Goan minds – Where we are and Where we want to be. The need to have ownership of what we do. The gap of understanding and how to augment the gap. Love for one another as Goan; something I am still unable to understand why this is lacking (Tall poppy syndrome and knee jerk reaction) These are the main ones and we could add to the list towards a strategy. Once a Keralite said to me when I was in the Middle East: Sir, if your mother does not look after you, will somebody’s mother look after you! – Looking back this statement may not be 100% true. Today, we were posed a good question by our advocate Francisco Branganza (who happens to be from my village and we attended the same school in Mapusa); while the question has all its merits and shortcomings as anything in life (Life depends on the Liver) Goa also needs to ensure that the exodus of highly educated people do not migrate overseas to fill our places this would result getting back to where we were. We still need to think about this although some of us are willing to take the plunge. Breaking away from personal habits (created since years) takes a long time and do we Goans have the time? . Hopefully, by the end of the spate of e-mails that have been dropping in our Inbox like a dealing room activities we will learn more about ourselves, others and what is really good for Goa. Most impressive were those Goans who considered their duty to put their thoughts and hopefully those that are sitting on ice may find a burner to melt the ice down. Carmen, I hope this answers some of your concerns and of course Tony Luis and other friends that have taken part in this debate which is still alive. We all agree that we need to join force to save what is left of Goa. Since you have the recent experience of running with a project, could you please help us form a petition that may be acceptable to all those that took part in the debate particularly those that have expressed positively with wealth of experience. We will need to create a terms of reference for this project to maintain the focus. Regards Oscar C. Lobo. Melbourne. From: Carmen Miranda Subject: Re: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. Dear All While what has been discussed here is all very interesting but not new and some of the ideas to solve this chronic problem of Goa's decay are just pie in the sky, unrealistic and pointless, I am not clear as to what is the point of this discussion group and how some of the postings suddenly appear in goanet out of context? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Agnelo, Cheers to your thought process. I believe that 'PPS' will go well with Carmen's great idea of t-shirts, caps etc. After all if Goans want to look the change in the face, first, they should be ready to accept the tag of being the 'PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL SANITY' in the midst of the all round POLITICAL MADNESS. To your (UAE's) 100K, I shall match it in ' KIND' X 10 times over for PPS And this is the challenge that I shall not withdraw from because 'PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL SANITY' is the only way to bringing the CHANGE that we all want to see for ourselves and for our dear GOAs sake. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for expanded scrolling Party Presentation on the Home Page - 'Announcements' Section http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/55.asp FAQ w.r.t. PPS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Just one word ' WOW ' Floriano! I think TRUE Goans understands what Floriano says. From: floriano.l...@gmail.com Dear Tony Luis, That is a very long, emotive and touching SPEECH. I sincerely believe that a lot of people holding placards and banners would be tired with some taking off quietly and temporarily for a peg of feni somewhere. But I would compress your entire fantastic SPEECH to just a sentence. I would want the speaker to just say: WE HAVE A DREAM, We always have But for far to long it has become a ' WET DREAM' We can make it very dry and crips. BY DEMANDING THAT WE BE GIVEN THE ' PORTUGUESE RULE ' BACK AGAIN, MINUS THE PORTUGUESE, even though the Portuguese are here in Goa legitimately anyway with their tail between their legs. :-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Carmen , The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is wrong with GoaThis is not the first time it has happened and yet Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the environment ...!!! Why? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty, Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts.. These monkeys in the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring his own Balls ! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO. On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a Fish Meal Plant !!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the plant in The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !! Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora !!! ! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Tony The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be serious about this issue. And Bernardo, We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other umbrella for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are rulling Goa. If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India. For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right. If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a campaign agaisnt corruption. Carmen to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote: There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Carmen, More Power to you. From another one just like you. Cynthia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dona Carmen, Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened to your mining campaign? BC And Bernardo, We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other umbrella for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are rulling Goa. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43 other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East. Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ??? But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs. If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around. All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ... Today Herald- http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Main%20Page%20News/NRIs-get-right-to-vote/40470.html NRIs get right to vote NEW DELHI, AUG 31 -- RadioGoa.net Keeping the Konkani Culture Alive ! Worldwide -- Global Goans UAE http://www.globalgoans.com - * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Benedict, Thank you for your e-mail of date. Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like Vasco De Gama. By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South Australia. Best Oscar From: Benedict Lobo More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43 other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East. Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ??? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Mr Bernardo Colaco I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do, including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help! As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to eradicate it from Goa. Cheers Carmen * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Hi Benedict, Only NRI’s? Only if the Government is open about granting proper dual citizenship will it have much meaning. Of all the Goans listed by you as living in various countries overseas, can you say how many of these Goans are NRI’s? I would say very few indeed, if you stop counting those in the Gulf region. Here in Australia we have a great example of how the Italians have their own representatives elected to the Italian Parliament from among Italians in Australia! Any one of Italian descent can get registered as a dual Italian citizen with the right to vote. Only when this happens to Indians who hold other citizenships, will something really change. I love Bernard’s idea about an interim Government. After all, Goa was invaded against the wishes of blue blooded Goans. Regards Salus Correia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Every Government since 1961 has been an interim Government in Goa but without any Governance !! Governments in Goa fall at a drop of a hat depending on who is plotting against whom and who gets what portfolio that can make the most amount of money. Even as we speak the so called gang of 7 or 9 MLAs maybe plotting against Digambar Ali Baba Kamat who spends all his time looking over his shoulder or removing the knives from his back. It is like a Merry Go Round in a fair or a bunch of clowns in a Circus !! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Hi Anesimo, I presume you meant to send your appended e-mail of date to me for information or to Benedict and wrongly addressed to me. In any way, you are right in the strategy you have outlined. Benedict - you guys in the Middle East are in a position to play a pivotal role in Anesimo's strategy. We can do it and can we please do something about it; a change from our regular cultural events. Regards Oscar -Original Message- From: anesim...@aim.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 September 2010 8:02 PM To: oscarlo...@optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. Benedict I always said that Gulf Goans can make a real change in goa. They will ultimatley settle in goa and have all their families and friends there. Last time we tried hard to convince them to Support Mathany so as to Give Jolt o the Corruprt Congress.That would have been a start somewhere.All they need is to phone all their relatives and friends to kick out all these goons. It will make a huge difference , spcially in salcette where the Catholics doninate politics. They can do it next time. All we need is short list Candidates from each Constituency and this coiuld be done at all parish councill meetings where church yields quite a bit of influence. Next election would be our last chance.If Catholics want to have some hold in Goa, we better elect our own guys so that we can have a bargaining power, including counter communalism. There are pleny of catholic guys around who given our support will get elected. rest of NRIS/NRGS can contribute in many ways, specially in the form of education and publicity.REMEMBER, GOAN POLITICIANS ARE SHIT SCARED OF OVERSEAS GOANS AS THEY CANT CONTROL AND MANIPULATE THEM cheers Anesimo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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I should have said an interim government without any political affiliations. Democracy in Goa is sectarian. To educate the electorate it will take an other 50 years. By than Goans will be selling ice fruit in lungis and setting illegal companies like the arrivals from the south post 61. Dona Carmen, Corruption in Goa is now gone 13feet deep! BC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Mr Bernado Colaco, May please take issue with you re.your presumption with respect in that, it would take Our Goan Electorate in Goa another 50 odd years or so to get REAL AND Be Re-Educated in the Finer ART of HOW to Elect A Viable, Firm, Honest Govt of the People, with and for the Goenkar people. It has not taken the gullible Electorate long to BITE the Hands that FEED them come Election time, so why should it take so many EARS, yes not YEARs, to learn a new more important trade of basic Re-Education on a slate or if you prefer a plate ? That is what the Question ought to Be and not the Sarcasm about selling Ice Fruit in Lung-is ? What's in a dress anyway, or do we have a belief that Dress does truly maketh the Man or Woman ? Did we, in our Birth even have a stitch on US , we will all go out of this World with nothing but our Name or whatever Fame we had on Maichi Earth, so dress does not really make a Man or Woman a far as I can tell. In the next 48 year that we have left, Lets get REAL and not simple CASTE STONES to what ever someone may have suggested , i.e. RE-EDUCATE the already half-witted EDUCATED so as to Speak people of Goa, cause as things stand, a little Learning has not done them or Goa or our so -called MLA's Any FAVOURS, has it ?? Regards, Joe Rebello,To Love Goa IS to Love OURSELVES, that should be Our 1st Commandment. I am no Preacher, even they sadly, have abandoned US Goans to th FATE of the Vultures (human) no dis- respect to the feathered kind, who are what they are, by an accident of Nature and God's creation to do a specific job, unlike our Monsters who are a creation of a people or of vested interests !! - Forwarded Message From: Bernado Colaco Sent: Wed, 1 September, 2010 12:57:52 Subject: Re: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. I should have said an interim government without any political affiliations. Democracy in Goa is sectarian. To educate the electorate it will take an other 50 years. By than Goans will be selling ice fruit in lungis and setting illegal companies like the arrivals from the south post 61. Dona Carmen, Corruption in Goa is now gone 13feet deep! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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My dear Oscar, I will enter this discussion once more and then return to my corner. Perhaps, Goans will determine for themselves the following. a: Why did the electorate in Goa vote the Congress - the last time around? Were Goans not aware of corruption? b: Do anyone among us know of ANY post-1961 govt that has not been corrupt? c: Do anyone among us know of ANY post-2010 party that will not be corrupt? d: Who would have benefited if Goans (from the Gulf) had accepted Anesimo et al's recommendation the last time around - to Support Mathany so as to Give Jolt to the Corrupt Congress? e: Do you guys remember what happened in the House to the Velim MLA who was physically bundled out? May I ask Mathany IF he protested that and HOW? f: Who was generating energy for this 'Swadeshi Catholic' nonsense - whatever it meant? g: Who organised the funding for that disastrous and communally-laden Video CD? h: Was it to be distributed to the schools in Goa? Did Mathany have a reaction to it and if so What and When? I will say this again - so bear with me: [1] I do not trust politicians. Thus far the Goa politicians have demonstrated ( almost invariably since 1976 at least) that by way of omission or commission, they are members of the Alibaba gang. [ You may wish to note that 'honrado' politicians of the genre of Jack de Sequeira, Eduardo Faleiro, Gopal Appa Kamat, Vasu Sarmalkar are not running for office these days] [2] Closely watch folks who criticise (rightly no doubt) only one set of politicians [3] Let ALL who advise us - also please declare that they are not receiving overseas funds to 'stage-manage' events in Goa. This specifically includes the 'busing in of folks for events'. [4] It is quite nonsensical to give the Italian-Australian example with the hope that it will apply to Goa. Italy may allow dual-nationality like many European countries, Australia too may allow it. India does not allow 'full' dual nationality. Furthermore, according to the Indian Constitution, ANY Indian citizen has the freedom to enter, work and reside in Goa (post 1961). That citizen WILL with time have the right to vote in Goa. If you think Goans are in a minority now do wait for the next election cycle. [5] Goans should just accept the facts of life and move on - instead of getting caught up with politicians and their agents. [6] If I was resident in Goa, I would also accept the fact that politicians are corrupt to one degree or another. Hence, I would determine which outfit has the tendency of additionally being communal ...and stay away from it. ps: If one really feels like making a small contribution to Goa Support Goa Sudharop and Carmen Miranda's effort for the environment. It might not stop the eventual arrival of the juggernaut - but at least one will feel that one did one's best. just my view jc On 1 September 2010 06:52, Benedict Lobo wrote: Hi Anesimo, I presume you meant to send your appended e-mail of date to me for information or to Benedict and wrongly addressed to me. In any way, you are right in the strategy you have outlined. Benedict - you guys in the Middle East are in a position to play a pivotal role in Anesimo's strategy. We can do it and can we please do something about it; a change from our regular cultural events. Regards Oscar * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Well said Senhor!! It is the local pollies who are the main cause 0f the rut that Goa had been sliding into. People now elect those who they think will do some little illegal favour for them! Salus From: Bernado Colaco I should have said an interim government without any political affiliations. Democracy in Goa is sectarian. To educate the electorate it will take an other 50 years. By than Goans will be selling ice fruit in lungis and setting illegal companies like the arrivals from the south post 61. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Goenkars, In order to ensure a method to the madness of this debate, may I suggest that we have just 2 ground rules in responding to Mr. J. Colaco’s appended e-mail, please: Comment only on the item that you are well aware of and with a decorum of respect for one another. A point of view can be expressed in many ways. If one is responding then one does not need to repeat what others are saying. However, if there is anything new to the item than by all means comment. We need to learn to overcome our knee jerk reactions (something I believe as Goans we have in our DNA composition) and hold on to answers for a day or two before responding for a great result. Let us breathe during that time for inspirations in our responses. It is only by such interaction between us that we will learn to manage people if we as Goans come to fruition in ruling Goa. – Paradigm change starts right from today if we are to succeed. Let’s relax and make our point in a rationale and professional way with little bit of humour and politically correct answers. This time I have just hit the reply hit button and removed just one person who requested me to delete his e-mail address and I have complied. To survive is to change; to survive often is to change often – Hopefully the changes starts from the start of this e-mail debate. Regards Oscar C. Lobo. Melbourne. From: J. Colaco My dear Oscar, I will enter this discussion once more and then return to my corner. Perhaps, Goans will determine for themselves the following. a: Why did the electorate in Goa vote the Congress - the last time around? Were Goans not aware of corruption? b: Do anyone among us know of ANY post-1961 govt that has not been corrupt? c: Do anyone among us know of ANY post-2010 party that will not be corrupt? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Carmen, Yes, there will be a clear vision once we engage our Goans in a proper forum and ensure we are not all over the place. We have learnt a lot on what discipline can achieve, I for one being of Jesuit educational background from St. Britto’s school and a little observation of how Goa was ruled prior to 19 December 2010 helped me to grow. I respect Soter even though he may be thinking he is always right. In the words of Steven R. Covey – 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, we need to see the end in the beginning. We need to get rid of the book in our personal libraries – How to win and influence people by Dale Carnegie; this book has thought methods that many not necessarily achieve results and people go out giving “Impressao” rather than seriously contributing to the actual issues confronting particularly Goans. All the ideas, dream, vision and mission will only come if we have the right ideas with right people. The search should be on before we find the solution and while the music for quick steps is being played. It would be good to select a committee, please give a thought, then prepare our Vision, Mission and a Business plan after removing the shaft from the wheat in this debate and present it to whoever the committee decides. For a start we should contemplate who amongst will see the vision in a combined basis and help with the mission. The committee should be of a reasonable number as too large a committee has detrimental effect of a group dynamism amongst us Goans. You are spot on with your questions and let us see what comes out of this brain storming e-mail exercise and not what Sorter thinks. Recad tucam! Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. From: Carmen Miranda Dear Goenkars I was wondering if you have a clear idea, a dream, a vision for an ideal GOA you would like to see in the near future? If we have a clear idea, we can start planning strategically on how to achieve that dream ! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Oscar, mind your language. You need not tell Dr. Jose Colaco what to write! AlmeidaG From: Oscar Lobo Goenkars, In order to ensure a method to the madness of this debate, may I suggest that we have just 2 ground rules in responding to Mr. J. Colaco’s appended e-mail, please: Comment only on the item that you are well aware of and with a decorum of respect for one another. A point of view can be expressed in many ways. If one is responding then one does not need to repeat what others are saying. However, if there is anything new to the item than by all means comment. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Oscar, Let me ask you just one solitary question. WHO IS SONIA GANDHI??? That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS Cheer floriano goasuraj 9890470896 http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to be ruled by GOANs * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano. Regards/Gaspar Almeida From: floriano Dear Oscar, Let me ask you just one solitary question. WHO IS SONIA GANDHI??? That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS Cheer floriano goasuraj 9890470896 http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to be ruled by GOANs * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's going on in the State of Goa! The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have often done, via email/post/fax. Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you can support the party and its cherished ideals! Almeida Gaspar * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia. Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our MotherLand Goa remains unchanged. Cynthia Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Friends, We can have it 2 ways. One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status (online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government intervention. Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one opportunity to prove its mantle. Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic. Warm regards, Agnelo Pinheiro * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dear Floriano and Gasper I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question. My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon. In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not, our visit to Sonia may bear fruits. What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a leverage of this and place before us the important issues that she can influence on her part. Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families in Goa propagating about your party. Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a read. Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a merit to see Sonia Gandhi. I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know. I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain with us. Thank you for your feed back. Regards Oscar * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Dear Sirs /Madam, With reference to the Emails as below, I would like to summarise what We Goans really need to do in order not to be extinct like the Mauritian Dodo, God forbid.!. First, we should Re-Educate the Goans both in Goa and the Goans in the wider World into BELIEVING that we, really were Annexed and not the notion of to the Freedom Fighters that we were LIBERATED from the erstwhile Portuguese only to fall prey to the Rampant Greed of Rape of Virgin Land and Woman folk alike, Plunder of hillsides and Beast alike by our so called MLA's, but to put in mildly, none other than Money Laundering Agents at that. Every other Goa State Govt , elected after 1961 has been acting and governing as though there was no tomorrow, so why you may ask to hive of Goa. For a reality CHECK, is not in the Interests of a Govt, to BE for The People, By the People and With the Wishes of the People ? So why is it then, we have in our Goa, types of Govt MLA's who think it is expedient to BUY the People, Far of OFF the People and at Best, to Without the Consent of the Vast majority of Goans of the Soil People ? Over the 48 yeras or so, every Goa State Assembly Govt (MLA's) that has come into being, has been Running to Mummy like spoiled Brat-es whenever something relating to Goa needs to be SORTED/Tackled Is this not a sign that we cannot take Control of Our Own destiny and we have to seek mother's Aid or Comfort to sort out party or other squabbles? Are we Really up to the JOB of Governing Ourselves when we have to start RUNNING to Mummy every time we have a cold or a sneeze or oil slick ? It is not too late to reverse this Trend, To Rule Or not To be Ruled by Goans, but we have to START today and not Tomorrow, because we have already wasted too much of our Yesterday's.away for the land sharks and others of that ilk. Let US therefore, put our Hands on Amchem Goenkarponnachem Caliz and Re-Educate the so called emancipated Masses, who though enlightened after 48 years, still need to be Evangelised more by OUR LOVE for Goa into Believing in OURelves not merely, to place OUR Lives solely in the hands of the MLA's, who are but the instruments of the Money Laundering Agents, but themselves, this then, is the Downturn of Freedom ? But, we must Strive to Re-educate the educated not to fall prey to false gods who will go around dishing out dirty (black money) Rs 5000/- apiece to get elected and this is where the Educated should Act, not like the UN-Educated or gullible of past times of men/women, but be more of an uprightness kinda of people? All is not lost yet, what Goa needs is truly God fearing , upright and decent of a people to lead Amchem Goem to Greener Pastures(not so with all that mining) and this then, it's the only way we can Redeem ourselves in the HOPE of being born Again in our Goenkarponn Hearts in order to Guide our Own DESTINY, not just being Annexed and resting on out past Laurels for all to See us as just as another Tourist destination on th eWorld map for Sun, Sand, Sea and for many now, the flesh trade of SEX, drugs and immorality. HowSAD really, OUR forefather/mothers would now turn in their Graves to see GOA going, Not to the Dogs, YES, so many stray dogs now out-numbering Humans, but it's own Graveyard of Despair ! Be REAL and LETS ACT Now to Save, not only our FAINT Goan Souls but the Biggest Prize of all, AMCHEM GOA, VIVA GOA, VIVA!! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Dear Mr Rebello I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years? Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans? Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so. The destruction of Goa, the disastrous policies , bad administration and corruption are all done by goans. We goans are the only ones to be blamed for the state of affairs in Goa. We are the ones who sell the land to developers, we are the ones who don't cultivate our agricultural lands, we are the ones who are so greedy that are trying to build horrific concrete jungles in every little corner of agricultural land and rice field, we are the ones who sell more and more land to the miners so that they can continue to expand and ruin our land, environment, water resources , pollute the rivers and so on, and finally we the goans are the ones who vote for the same gang of politicians, incompetent and corrupt as they are, over and over and over again. In fact the only time there was some semblance of discipline and good governance was around 1999 I think for a few months when Goa was under President's rule (control of Central Govt.). That was the only time when Goa had a General in charge, and that General Raphael Jacob actually saved what ever is left of nature in Goa in the Western Ghats and national parks and so on, and there was no corruption as no one dared to even dream of corruption under the General's rule. If it wasn't for him, we would just have a desert instead of forests and rich biodiversity in the National Parks. There would not be any national parks, to start with. The miners are still furious with him to this day! I agree that our electorate needs to be educated much before elections and it should not be difficult, as Goa is so small and only has about 350 villages out of which many are no longer populated. If dedicated goans really wanted to do something about it yes, that is one crucial thing to do but we need to be very clear about what do we mean by educating the electorate. The second one is to have some decent and educated and dedicated people to stand for elections, people with some principles, ideology and clear policies and people who are articulate and with some knowledge. Otherwise, what is the point of educating the electorate? Also it is not very difficult to start some anti-corruption campaign in Goa. We can start in a small way and grow into a movement. All we need to start with is to have some Tshirts printed with anti-corruption slogans and than get people to wear those T shirts on a certain day and start the ball rolling. That will show the popular feeling about the corruption in Goa. I personally think that what we need in Goa is President's rule again to clean up the mess and corruption, and bring some discipline, law and order to Goa, so that we have the time to educate the masses and search and prepare some decent politicians to fight future elections and have a moratorium on all constructions and new mining activity until some proper studies are done on the environmental and other impacts of those activities and give some incentives to people to start taking an interest in agriculture again. And also, I hear many let's act now from many goans, but what does that mean in concrete terms - act how? act where? what is the concrete action plan to save Goa? With best wishes Carmen Miranda On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Joseph Rebello wrote: Dear Sirs /Madam, With reference to the Emails as below, I would like to summarise what We Goans really need to do in order not to be extinct like the Mauritian Dodo, God forbid.!. First, we should Re-Educate the Goans both in Goa and the Goans in the wider World into BELIEVING that we, really were Annexed and not the notion of to the Freedom Fighters that we were LIBERATED from the erstwhile Portuguese only to fall prey to the Rampant Greed of Rape of Virgin Land and Woman folk alike, Plunder of hillsides and Beast alike by our so called MLA's, but to put in mildly, none other than Money Laundering Agents at that. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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The slogan Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental masturbation. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election. We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel. Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest. As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule. Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie. -Soter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
