Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a 
distinct lack of the letter u.


Hendrik
who is being humourous

On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:
Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy 
language so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] A Sad Ending

2013-06-09 Thread Hendrik and Fay
We had one joker over here who put a Japanese motor in a 201 and then to 
top it off put a Merc star on top of the Japanese motor. That's when I 
lost it.


Hendrik
who has a pure Benz

On 07/06/13 09:56, Michael Canfield wrote:

Aw geez..purists.  It's his and maybe it's not the end, or so sad.
Might be a really nice ride that he gets years of fun out of.

Mike
On Jun 6, 2013 8:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:


To a beautiful W110:


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440

If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in world wide slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Hendrik and Fay

And you have made enquiries as to the status of your order?
To be honest there is not a lot we can do to help, except share your 
pain, I wanted to get a M103 (that is a gas burning six cylinder engine 
made in the 80's) head gasket set for my car and there where none to be 
had in Adelaide, had to be shipped from Melbourne, well I just hit the 
roof and said to those useless so and so's, why don't you have every 
part for every car right here and right now?
Of course the manger immediately performed ceremonial suicide to 
apologize for his companies poor performance, I thought about getting a 
couple of the hired hands to do same but I let it slide because I am 
such a nice natured person. However if the next time I am in there and 
they don't have a particular do higgy for my jalopy, there will be more 
blood spilt.
On second thoughts, now that you have indicated this slackness is 
spreading across the globe, I will go back there and fire bomb the 
place, that should get them back up to speed.
But then again when I do finally get my hands on shiny new parts , they 
generally slug me trade price only, which is still more expensive than 
US retail prices.


Hendrik
who even put a shiny new timing chain in the gasser but just about had a 
nervous breakdown trying to put the TC cover back on


On 08/06/13 13:29, Rich Thomas wrote:

I did not buy stuff from Worldparts, I bought stuff from buymbparts.

I don't want to hear excuses about some 3rd party, I want the stuff I 
paid for.


--R


On 6/7/13 8:16 PM, MG wrote:
Yeah I understand that Trent has been having a lot of problems with 
Worldparts in regards to shipping and pricing. Hopefully this will 
get fixed sooner rather than later. Not much fun on either side of an 
order.


Manfred





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Re: [MBZ] A Sad Ending

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley

Hendrik and Fay wrote:
We had one joker over here who put a Japanese motor in a 201 and then to 
top it off put a Merc star on top of the Japanese motor. That's when I 
lost it.


30 years ago I wanted to put a Japanese motor in a Fiat.
I would have called it the RX-1/9

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in world wide slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley

Hendrik and Fay wrote:


To be honest there is not a lot we can do to help, except share your 
pain, 


That's all a woman wants, somebody to share her pain.

http://youtu.be/-4EDhdAHrOg

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
Interestingly this is one of the few subjects my super conservative dad and I 
agree on. The people buying ammo now are sheep who don't remember 4 years ago 
when we had the exact same shortage of the exact same ammo. It lasted about 2 
years after Obama got elected. It all started because some right wing idiots 
(not that all right wingers are idiots, I'm trying to weed some out of the 
herd) decided Obama's gonna take our guns so they better stock up, put guns 
in cosmolene and bury 'em with ammo for later. A couple years later Obama has 
done no such thing so life gets more or less back to normal.

Most big box retailers get a truck every single day with some stuff in it but 
theres no telling what stuff exactly. Go to any Wal-Mart or Cabellas any given 
day and you'll find a couple old duffers convinced that their guns will soon be 
taken by The Government. They can't tell you who or under what law or 
anything but they're convinced. They go into the store and buy all the .22 ammo 
(mostly the .22 long rifle stuff, the shortage of which gets the other 
conspiracy theorists to buy up the stock of .223 and whatnot) that got 
delivered that day. If theres a limit they'll buy some and come back tomorrow.

We've got about 18 more months of this foolishness before things go back to 
normal. Whats worse is some places have driven up prices because of it and some 
people are paying those prices just to be able to get out and shoot.

What will be hilarious (in an I told you so kind of way) is in about 10 or 15 
years when the duffers start to die off and their families are left with this 
huge pile of ammo which will get sold off at bargain basement prices driving 
the market into a tailspin. At that point the right will conspiracy theorists 
will blame it on government something, again they won't know who or why but 
they won't remember whats going on right now.

Anybody with some money and an entrepreneurial bent out to start an ammunition 
factory right now. Plan on running it for 16 months and then sell. As soon as 
the fervor burns out you won't be able to make it as a small manufacturer but 
for now you could make a little money and then make money on the sale. I'd do 
it myself if I had money and knowhow.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:13:12 -0400
From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder
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Since December gun and ammo sales have been limited only by availability;
you can't sell what you don't have.  A full year's worth of inventory sold
out in weeks.  Most manufacturers are now running at full capacity, and have
been for some time.  Ammo (when you can find it) now costs 2-3x the price in
Nov 2012, and folks still buy every box they find, at least on common
calibers.  What is so amazing is that all this is a response to a vague and
undefined threat of a possible future restriction on 2nd amendment rights.

Traditional gun people view this situation with mixed feelings.  On one
hand, it is gratifying to see that a large segment of the public values
their rights.  But on the other hand, there are a large number of people now
who are armed but who may lack basic training on firearm safety and related
law.  Plus, it's hard to get ammo for maintaining proficiency.



---
On Saturday, June 08, 2013 5:58 PM, G Mann wrote
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

If you believe apathy rules... better check your local gun store.. or even
your local Walmart ammunition sales area... SOLD OUT.. and have been for
months..

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[MBZ] OT lawnboy

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
A lawnmower without a governor is a tough to use lawnmower, although I suppose 
you could just set it to run flat out all the time but then you're wasting fuel.

It'd be hard for me to say without laying my hands on it and the parts 
breakouts aren't any real help, you'd need to see one. Maybe look for a 
lawnmower forum and hopefully find somebody who has the same thing as you?

I usually just sit on a box or something and stare at the thing and then try 
fitting the pieces together in a million different ways until I slap my 
forehead because I should have realized it an hour ago. The linkages are often 
difficult to put together because they're not really supposed to come apart but 
resist the urge to bend them into different shapes, that never works out.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:34:12 -0500
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT lawnboy
Message-ID: a062408f8cdd998463869@[192.168.1.51]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

Wondering if Curt or anyone else might be able to help with a Lawnboy problem.

I have a model 10335 with a serial number in the range of: 991 - 
999  THis is 4 cycle, 6.25 HP called silver series

I took the carb off to clean and the governor spring popped off 
somewhere in back, but I can't figger out where it was connected.  I 
got it running good, but need to figure out the governor connections. 
I have not been able to find any info online, other than parts 
exploded views which don't help.

I can run it without the governor, but I'd rather keep it original.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley

Curt Raymond wrote:


Anybody with some money and an entrepreneurial bent out to start an ammunition 
factory right now. Plan on running it for 16 months and then sell. As soon as 
the fervor burns out you won't be able to make it as a small manufacturer but 
for now you could make a little money and then make money on the sale. I'd do 
it myself if I had money and knowhow.


Who's going to sell you a few million primers and cases to get your factory up 
and running?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff
It's funny, as my former employers, both right wingers, one more so than the 
other, played into this panic in 2008. Since they both have a fair amount of 
disposable income, they were buying up rounds of every possible type and size 
that fit their large collection of firearms.

Our postal carrier hated delivering to our business, as many of these ammo 
manufacturers used USPS Priority Mail to deliver their products. This means a 
typical day's delivery might consist of 5-6 large 60 pound boxes.

These guys seemed to be in a mild panic, calling and emailing suppliers on a 
daily basis to buy up whatever they could get their hands on. Anything under 
1000 rounds was not acceptable.

I always chuckled about this, as I figured 10 years from now they'll have this 
huge pile of ammo they will never use...

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Interestingly this is one of the few subjects my super conservative dad and I 
 agree on. The people buying ammo now are sheep who don't remember 4 years ago 
 when we had the exact same shortage of the exact same ammo. It lasted about 2 
 years after Obama got elected. It all started because some right wing idiots 
 (not that all right wingers are idiots, I'm trying to weed some out of the 
 herd) decided Obama's gonna take our guns so they better stock up, put guns 
 in cosmolene and bury 'em with ammo for later. A couple years later Obama has 
 done no such thing so life gets more or less back to normal.
 
 Most big box retailers get a truck every single day with some stuff in it but 
 theres no telling what stuff exactly. Go to any Wal-Mart or Cabellas any 
 given day and you'll find a couple old duffers convinced that their guns will 
 soon be taken by The Government. They can't tell you who or under what law 
 or anything but they're convinced. They go into the store and buy all the .22 
 ammo (mostly the .22 long rifle stuff, the shortage of which gets the other 
 conspiracy theorists to buy up the stock of .223 and whatnot) that got 
 delivered that day. If theres a limit they'll buy some and come back tomorrow.
 
 We've got about 18 more months of this foolishness before things go back to 
 normal. Whats worse is some places have driven up prices because of it and 
 some people are paying those prices just to be able to get out and shoot.
 
 What will be hilarious (in an I told you so kind of way) is in about 10 or 
 15 years when the duffers start to die off and their families are left with 
 this huge pile of ammo which will get sold off at bargain basement prices 
 driving the market into a tailspin. At that point the right will conspiracy 
 theorists will blame it on government something, again they won't know who or 
 why but they won't remember whats going on right now.
 
 Anybody with some money and an entrepreneurial bent out to start an 
 ammunition factory right now. Plan on running it for 16 months and then sell. 
 As soon as the fervor burns out you won't be able to make it as a small 
 manufacturer but for now you could make a little money and then make money on 
 the sale. I'd do it myself if I had money and knowhow.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:13:12 -0400
 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder
 Message-ID: E3E52810289D46EFA2EDC6CEC10004EB@ScottHPPC
 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
 
 Since December gun and ammo sales have been limited only by availability;
 you can't sell what you don't have.  A full year's worth of inventory sold
 out in weeks.  Most manufacturers are now running at full capacity, and have
 been for some time.  Ammo (when you can find it) now costs 2-3x the price in
 Nov 2012, and folks still buy every box they find, at least on common
 calibers.  What is so amazing is that all this is a response to a vague and
 undefined threat of a possible future restriction on 2nd amendment rights.
 
 Traditional gun people view this situation with mixed feelings.  On one
 hand, it is gratifying to see that a large segment of the public values
 their rights.  But on the other hand, there are a large number of people now
 who are armed but who may lack basic training on firearm safety and related
 law.  Plus, it's hard to get ammo for maintaining proficiency.
 
 
 
 ---
 On Saturday, June 08, 2013 5:58 PM, G Mann wrote
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder
 
 If you believe apathy rules... better check your local gun store.. or even
 your local Walmart ammunition sales area... SOLD OUT.. and have been for
 months..
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
Besides if you apply manure after the plants are growing you can burn them, 
thats just dumb.

If bacteria from poop were instant killers we'd all be dead, the human race 
would never have moved from being hunter/gatherers. Manure is the basis for ALL 
farming. Manure gets spread on fields everywhere, Humanure included. There is 
no reason to be scared of poop.

There are of course prudent handling concerns, of which composting and washing 
your hands are two, but theres no reason you can compost poop. Check out the 
humanure handbook which is readable online.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:57:45 -0500
From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
Message-ID: 51b3fd39.2010...@gulseth.net
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Again, for the cat and cow $#it in my garden, it works and I've NEVER 
met a farmer that doesn't use cow $#it in their own garden.  The good 
bacteria that are responsible for causing things to compost overwhelm 
the crappy bacteria you are scared of.  Also, you apply the $#it to your 
garden BEFORE you plant, not after, not when the fruit has started to 
form.  Best practice is in the fall so it has 4-6 months to compost and 
become good fertile soil.  Do NOT apply $#it after you have planted, 
this greatly increases e-coli potential.

This process works for those in rural areas and for those city folk who 
are smart about the application.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

On 6/8/2013 10:59 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
 The problem isn't cat shit in your garden.  It's the compost.  Compost is a
 perfect environment for the bad guys to multiply to a point that they can
 infect you.  Is it worth the risk in your little compost fertilized city
 gardens compared to Grandmas garden that was huge?
Nothing against compost..love it in fact, but it is no place for meat
 eater shit.

 Oh, and as far as the difference between worm and cat poop...well, that
 should be obvious from their diet.

 The whole idea of an organic bed is that you know everything is organic
 from start to finish...does kitty eat food with GMO ingredients?

 Mike

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Jim Cathey
What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a 
distinct lack of the letter u.


Not at all, we just decided to dispense with a letter that
wasn't pronounced, it was too French for our tastes.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in world wide slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
I believe the idea was to call out Trent here and perhaps spur on action.

I also am waiting on a part, the 90 degree heater hose that lives under the AC 
compressor on my '78 240D. Fred had suggested it was in bad shape and I should 
replace it. Then the little hose from the water pump to the thermostat failed 
so I ordered that, along with the heater hose, thermostat, housing gasket and 
some other gubbins. Everything arrived except the heater hose. The thing is the 
heater hose is almost impossible to replace without dismounting the AC 
compressor (which I already have to do for the little hose) so I hate do get in 
there only to have to get in there again. So project stalled waiting for a 
hose. I emailed Trent Thursday last and he replied I find out which is the 
last I've heard of the matter. I plan to call tomorrow.

I plan also to check at my local CarQuest who can quite likely have it to me 
Tuesday...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:53:35 +0930
From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in world wide
slackness
Message-ID: 51b43b87.4070...@gmail.com
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And you have made enquiries as to the status of your order?
To be honest there is not a lot we can do to help, except share your 
pain, I wanted to get a M103 (that is a gas burning six cylinder engine 
made in the 80's) head gasket set for my car and there where none to be 
had in Adelaide, had to be shipped from Melbourne, well I just hit the 
roof and said to those useless so and so's, why don't you have every 
part for every car right here and right now?
Of course the manger immediately performed ceremonial suicide to 
apologize for his companies poor performance, I thought about getting a 
couple of the hired hands to do same but I let it slide because I am 
such a nice natured person. However if the next time I am in there and 
they don't have a particular do higgy for my jalopy, there will be more 
blood spilt.
On second thoughts, now that you have indicated this slackness is 
spreading across the globe, I will go back there and fire bomb the 
place, that should get them back up to speed.
But then again when I do finally get my hands on shiny new parts , they 
generally slug me trade price only, which is still more expensive than 
US retail prices.

Hendrik
who even put a shiny new timing chain in the gasser but just about had a 
nervous breakdown trying to put the TC cover back on

On 08/06/13 13:29, Rich Thomas wrote:
 I did not buy stuff from Worldparts, I bought stuff from buymbparts.

 I don't want to hear excuses about some 3rd party, I want the stuff I 
 paid for.

 --R


 On 6/7/13 8:16 PM, MG wrote:
 Yeah I understand that Trent has been having a lot of problems with 
 Worldparts in regards to shipping and pricing. Hopefully this will 
 get fixed sooner rather than later. Not much fun on either side of an 
 order.

 Manfred


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[MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread WILTON
How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless, incessant 
barking of their dogs.  Coupla hours ('bout 6 AM)  before I got up this 
morning, a small dog somewhere nearby began barking - a shrill fast-paced 
bark.  In spite of many years around jet engines, my hearing is still pretty 
good - good enough to make me wonder - do dog owners go deaf, or do they just 
not give a damned about how their dogs' incessant barking annoys others nearby. 
 Obviously, a dog's bark is more annoying to others than to the dog owner.  I 
think, if it were as annoying to the owner as it is to others, the owner would 
make the dog, shut the hell up.  BTW, I've owned dogs, too, but I trained them 
not to bark so.

It's probably the same syndrome that makes the dog owner think it's OK to 
bring the dog into my yard to do his/her business.  I call it the my-dog 
syndrome - my dog is better than your dog, my dog doesn't bite, my dog's bark 
is not annoying, my dog barks silently, my dog's crap doesn't stink, my dog's 
crap doesn't make a mess on somebody's shoes or carpet, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead
A lawnmower without a governor is a tough to use lawnmower, although 
I suppose you could just set it to run flat out all the time but 
then you're wasting fuel.


It'd be hard for me to say without laying my hands on it and the 
parts breakouts aren't any real help, you'd need to see one. Maybe 
look for a lawnmower forum and hopefully find somebody who has the 
same thing as you?


I usually just sit on a box or something and stare at the thing and 
then try fitting the pieces together in a million different ways 
until I slap my forehead because I should have realized it an hour 
ago. The linkages are often difficult to put together because 
they're not really supposed to come apart but resist the urge to 
bend them into different shapes, that never works out.


-Curt


Not bending anything.  I spent quite a while staring at it yesterday. 
The problem is that the spring and link sit behind the carb and 
intake tube, so there was no way to see the assembly before taking it 
loose.  Unfortunately lawnmowers went the way of the MB engines, and 
all are encased in prastic, because the bowtie schmicks don't want 
you to know there is a BS (or tecumseh in this case) engine inside. 
I really liked the ol 1970 vintage lawnboy i usta have.  It was 
honest.


After staring at it for hours yesterday, i decided I could hook up 
the link and leave the spring off and get it to run.  By turning in 
the idle stop to give it some gas, I can get it to run better than it 
had been running.  Apparently this engine is known for searching.  I 
like it better this way than searching, but have not mowed with it 
yet.  the rain started before i had it running.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread G Mann
Obviously, there are those among us who have insufficient contact with
those of lower content, thus lack proper training in Ebonics. The inner
city tribal language which apparently may have devolved from some basis of
English, the language.

Whut be hapn n da hood doog .. would be the correct phrase form. The insert
of yall would  be a regional define based on principle demographic of the
speakers sub-cultural influence.

Grant... AZ
[ PhD in Ebonics and Typo after decades of employee handling]


On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
 What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a
 distinct lack of the letter u.

 Hendrik
 who is being humourous

 On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:

 Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy language
 so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.
 Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread G Mann
Very good point to be made. The materials necessary to process WVO into
Biodiesel immediately make your garage a HAZMAT site and make you subject
to all EPA and Air Quality ordinances. Methanol is a VOC, Level 1, Caustic
Soda is deadly and requires special handling [lye, common name] So it also
presents severe issues for public safety.

As the reality TV shows say: Do NOT do this at home

Grant... AZ


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:

 Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I
 would do my attached garage.

 Michael E. Esh
 231-286-2344


 On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  ernest breakfield wrote:
  that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the
 problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems
 pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions i've
 seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers.
 
 
  So Mike saves enough on fuel to pay for the car.
  How about this?
  A biodiesel processor wouldn't cost more than a frybrid kit and you can
 run multiple cars from it.
  How does the cost of the additional wear and tear (in this case, $100
 used pump plus $400 labor) compare to the cost of methanol and lye for the
 biodiesel?
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Longest words and Yodelling

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:22 AM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote:

 and the bloomers that guy wears would be

 Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellsch**aftskapitänskugelschreibertint**
 enfachgeschäftsführerunterhosen.

 Endless indeed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPqB9i1ScY

Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon-
fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker-
thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty-
spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich-
himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle-
gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker-
kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm!
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Re: [MBZ] F-35B Ship Suitability Testing

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 1:48 PM -0400 6/2/13, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:

_F-35B  Ship Suitability Testing - YouTube_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Ki86x1WKPmEfeature=colike)


I still think it looks like a cicada.  And how well would this stuff 
work under fire?


-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 1:44 PM -0700 6/1/13, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

There was some very strong feelings about coffee in Germany in the early
1700s.  J.S. Bach even wrote about the craze in The Coffee Cantata.


As opposed to PDQ Bach's Sanka Cantata...  ;-)

http://www.schickele.com/composition/sanka.htm

-MMM-

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[MBZ] 261 mpg VW....I want one

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/05/volkswagen-xl1-driven/

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 10:34 AM -0700 6/8/13, Greg Fiorentino wrote:


As I have taught my children: violence is NEVER a good solution. (But
sometimes it is the ONLY solution).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazOmi4yIbU

A riot is an ungly thing... undt, I tink, that it is chust about 
time ve had vun!


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Re: [MBZ] A Sad Ending

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 5:02 PM +0930 6/9/13, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
We had one joker over here who put a Japanese motor in a 201 and 
then to top it off put a Merc star on top of the Japanese motor. 
That's when I lost it.


Hendrik
who has a pure Benz


Ha!

http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq250/f4fay/mercbw3.jpg

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] tracking down vacuum issues?

2013-06-09 Thread Craig
On Thu, 30 May 2013 07:42:55 -0700 ernest breakfield
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:

 hi!
 
  symptoms of a vacuum leak are rapidly showing up in our '85 300D 
 (Calif); first the locks got slow to engage (with the Right Rear being 
 the first and worst), shifting has become 'abrupt', and it's rapidly 
 progressed to where the motor is intermittently slow to shut down when 
 keying off.

Yes, those are the symptoms.


  is there a resource for how to trace down and repair leaks that 
 anyone can point me to?

The factory service manual has a section on it. Start in the engine
compartment with the vacuum check valve. Then check the vacuum lines that
go rearward from the check valve, one at a time. On our '82, one goes to
the vacuum reservoir, one to the ignition switch to provide vacuum for
the shutoff, and one goes to the vacuum switch on the driver's door to
route the vacuum to the door, fuel door, and trunk locks.

I have attached a ZIP file of all the vacuum information I have on the
mail directly to you, Ernest.


 any hints or tips as to what tool(s) i'm going to want?

A MityVac is indispensable in the process.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] On the road again] and a new issue

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 6:55 AM -0400 5/25/13, Dwight Giles wrote:

Yes, Marshall used to say to check the firewall behnd the battery for rust
and leaks on a 123.


And DON'T forget to CHECK the FUSES!  :-}

-MMM-

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[MBZ] OT Not Mine

2013-06-09 Thread clay
Select Category:   

view photos 
Description:  1963 Piper PA-25 Pawnee N6793Z 9077.5TT, 933.5 SMOH, Hutchinson 
Wing Conversion. Located Sisters Airport, Sisters, OR, sold via photo - see 
condition report to view log book.
Condition Report  


Must be some flyboys on the list that would not mind.

coming up for auction 6/14 along with the standard cars and trucks.


clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] Parting out 87 560SEC

2013-06-09 Thread Ali Al-Abbasi

All,

I'm going to be parting out my old 87 560SEC. It's navy blue with gray 
interior. I spent a bunch of money on this car when I owned it and then sold 
it to a fellow almost exactly 3 years to the day. He moved back to Germany 
and sold it to a buddy of his who overheated it which is when I bought it 
back (about 3 weeks ago).


My original intention was to put an engine in it but it almost takes as much 
effort to take it apart and it usually pays better. Especially considering 
that my Euro SEC could use some of the parts.


Please contact me off list if you need anything or watch my ebay auction as 
I list parts.


http://www.ebay.com/sch/aalabbasi/m.html?

Thanks

Al


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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy

2013-06-09 Thread MG
IS this one of those coiled pull springs with a hook on each end, 
kind of easy to pull?


Manfred



From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Wondering if Curt or anyone else might be able to help with a 
Lawnboy problem.


I have a model 10335 with a serial number in the range of: 991 -
999  THis is 4 cycle, 6.25 HP called silver series

I took the carb off to clean and the governor spring popped off
somewhere in back, but I can't figger out where it was connected.  I
got it running good, but need to figure out the governor 
connections.

I have not been able to find any info online, other than parts
exploded views which don't help.

I can run it without the governor, but I'd rather keep it original.


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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley

Dieselhead wrote:


After staring at it for hours yesterday, i decided I could hook up the 
link and leave the spring off and get it to run.  By turning in the idle 
stop to give it some gas, I can get it to run better than it had been 
running.  Apparently this engine is known for searching.  I like it 
better this way than searching, but have not mowed with it yet.  the 
rain started before i had it running.


Searching often means the mixture is lean.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy

2013-06-09 Thread Peter Frederick
Searching is caused by several things, lean mixture is one easy one  
(look at the base of the insulator on the plug -- should be tan to  
dark tan), but a fouled plug, air leaks, plugged air filter, worn  
linkages, etc will also cause trouble.


Verify that the governor linkage is free -- if you move the air driven  
flap, it MUST spring back smoothly and immediately.  All the links,  
hooks, and springs in the linkage between throttle valve and air flat  
(or centrifugal spring on newer engines) must be clean and swivel  
freely.


If the linkage binds anywhere, the engine will continue to speed up  
until the linkage moves, which will be too far, and the throttle will  
close too far, the engine will slow down too much, then surge up too  
fast when the linkage finally moves again.  Grass, crud, oil residue  
and dust, etc will all cause trouble.


So will running too rich, as the power output is way down.  A stuck  
float can make it run funny too.


And don't neglect the possibility that the shut-off wire insulation  
has rubbed off somewhere, causing the ignition to cut in and out!  Had  
this on the Snapper self-propel I bought this spring for $100, had  
been set very rich to compensate for the poor running due to the  
shut-off wire coming adrift and intermittantly shorting out.  PO said  
it bogged down in heavy grass, which it did.  Also burned lots of oil  
and smoked black once in a while, and stank of unburned fuel.


I go the wire to quit shorting by removing it (have to take the cowl  
off soon and fix the recoil spring anyway, will get it in place then)  
and leaned it out a bit -- runs like a champ, doesn't burn oil  
anymore, and uses much less fuel.  Still surges a bit on startup, but  
I suspect that's a carbon/oil ash fouled plug which I will replace soon.


I would not run one without a governor, the blade is never balanced  
well enough and a flat-head single cylinder engine will turn WAY too  
fast to stay together without a governor!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 10:28 AM -0400 6/9/13, WILTON wrote:
How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless, 
incessant barking of their dogs.


I like hearing my neighbors' dogs barking.  Means they're on the job. 
And it's usually because my cats are teasing them, so I figure it's 
only fair.


-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] A Sad Ending

2013-06-09 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel

At 8:55 AM -0400 6/9/13, Mitch Haley wrote:

Hendrik and Fay wrote:
We had one joker over here who put a Japanese motor in a 201 and 
then to top it off put a Merc star on top of the Japanese motor. 
That's when I lost it.


30 years ago I wanted to put a Japanese motor in a Fiat.
I would have called it the RX-1/9


I had a concept where you'd take a 190SL and put in an M276 300hp 
V-6.  Call it the R-T-T (short for Rikki-tikki-tavi), 'cause it'd eat 
Cobras.


http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2068003/

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Interestingly enough I have decided that the dialect known as Ebonics is 
most likely a descendant of Gullah, which was the language the slaves 
sorta cobbled up so that different ones from different tribes could 
communicate among themselves and with the whites (who spoke English, 
French, Spanish, and whatever else in the early days in the islands and 
here in the Lowcountry).  It is sort of a Creole kind of thing.   My 
neighbors speak a very distinctive form of English, which for some is a 
second language after Gullah. I have got to the point where I can catch 
a good part of what the Gullah speakers are saying when they talk among 
themselves, as it incorporates enough English (or American I guess is 
more accurate) to be sorta decipherable.  Many of the people have that 
accent one would associate with Jamaicans.


A good part of the slaves came through this area, and I think this area 
was also one of the first for slavery, the local landowners having 
brought them up from Barbados and Antigua where they had come from.  So 
that would sort of explain how the Gullah got spread around.


I have to ask around and see if this hypothesis holds up, maybe check in 
with Queen Quet (the Queen of the Gullahs, not Liz).


Oh, and here is just the thing you need for concealed carry

https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-protective-plastic-case-for-iphone-5-golden-black-220804

--R

On 6/9/13 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote:

Obviously, there are those among us who have insufficient contact with
those of lower content, thus lack proper training in Ebonics. The inner
city tribal language which apparently may have devolved from some basis of
English, the language.

Whut be hapn n da hood doog .. would be the correct phrase form. The insert
of yall would  be a regional define based on principle demographic of the
speakers sub-cultural influence.

Grant... AZ
[ PhD in Ebonics and Typo after decades of employee handling]


On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:


Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a
distinct lack of the letter u.

Hendrik
who is being humourous

On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:


Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy language
so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] Deer guard 3rd try

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Canfield
Yer gonna be needin' some reinforcin thingies that go up and hook on that
roof bar er yer gunna end up bendin that necklace thing the kids like to
jack firs' deer ya run down.

Mike
Who prefers comp insurance over Roo guards.
On Jun 9, 2013 11:35 AM, MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

 Since I was doing a bunch of work on the TD I figured that I
 would do something to protect it against the vicious attacks of
 those violent suicidal deer that run around on the roads around
 here all the time. I figured a Roo guard could be repurposed as a
 deer guard, especially since we don't seem to have very many Roos
 around this part of Florida. Picture attached for your consideration.

 Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Canfield
There are dozens of articles explaining why to keep carnivore poop out of
your compost and garden.

Here is one:
http://www.greenstar.coop/grocery/106-news/270-the-straight-poop-on-kitty-litter

Not worth the risk of infecting me or my family.

Mike
On Jun 9, 2013 9:25 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Besides if you apply manure after the plants are growing you can burn
 them, thats just dumb.

 If bacteria from poop were instant killers we'd all be dead, the human
 race would never have moved from being hunter/gatherers. Manure is the
 basis for ALL farming. Manure gets spread on fields everywhere, Humanure
 included. There is no reason to be scared of poop.

 There are of course prudent handling concerns, of which composting and
 washing your hands are two, but theres no reason you can compost poop.
 Check out the humanure handbook which is readable online.

 -Curt

 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:57:45 -0500
 From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
 Message-ID: 51b3fd39.2010...@gulseth.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Again, for the cat and cow $#it in my garden, it works and I've NEVER
 met a farmer that doesn't use cow $#it in their own garden.  The good
 bacteria that are responsible for causing things to compost overwhelm
 the crappy bacteria you are scared of.  Also, you apply the $#it to your
 garden BEFORE you plant, not after, not when the fruit has started to
 form.  Best practice is in the fall so it has 4-6 months to compost and
 become good fertile soil.  Do NOT apply $#it after you have planted,
 this greatly increases e-coli potential.

 This process works for those in rural areas and for those city folk who
 are smart about the application.

 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

 On 6/8/2013 10:59 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
  The problem isn't cat shit in your garden.  It's the compost.  Compost
 is a
  perfect environment for the bad guys to multiply to a point that they can
  infect you.  Is it worth the risk in your little compost fertilized city
  gardens compared to Grandmas garden that was huge?
 Nothing against compost..love it in fact, but it is no place for
 meat
  eater shit.
 
  Oh, and as far as the difference between worm and cat poop...well,
 that
  should be obvious from their diet.
 
  The whole idea of an organic bed is that you know everything is organic
  from start to finish...does kitty eat food with GMO ingredients?
 
  Mike

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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Just don't talk about it on your cell phone or the webbernets. BigSis is 
watching.


--R


On 6/9/13 11:15 AM, G Mann wrote:

Very good point to be made. The materials necessary to process WVO into
Biodiesel immediately make your garage a HAZMAT site and make you subject
to all EPA and Air Quality ordinances. Methanol is a VOC, Level 1, Caustic
Soda is deadly and requires special handling [lye, common name] So it also
presents severe issues for public safety.

As the reality TV shows say: Do NOT do this at home

Grant... AZ


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:


Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I
would do my attached garage.

Michael E. Esh
231-286-2344


On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


ernest breakfield wrote:

that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the

problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems
pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions i've
seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers.


So Mike saves enough on fuel to pay for the car.
How about this?
A biodiesel processor wouldn't cost more than a frybrid kit and you can

run multiple cars from it.

How does the cost of the additional wear and tear (in this case, $100

used pump plus $400 labor) compare to the cost of methanol and lye for the
biodiesel?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] The Longest Day

2013-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas



So the other night I decided to watch The Longest Day, since it was the
anniversary of the landings.  I saw that movie at the drive-in with my
parents when it first came out, it was awesome.  Anyway, the opening
scene of the moving has a Krazy Kommand Kar, a Mercedes drop-top,
chasing down a French resistance guy and the officer in the car shoots
him.  The same car appeared in lots of other scenes too, with the top
down in the rain, which made me wonder why the Hun officers liked to
ride around in the rain with the top down.

--R





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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Benz Hogs

It's called American.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

On 6/9/2013 2:28 AM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a
distinct lack of the letter u.

Hendrik
who is being humourous

On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:

Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy
language so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.
Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Canfield
Biggest risk I see is equipment failure causing fire.  I am willing to
admit that I am not scientist enough to make biodiesel of a consistant
quality.

Fitering wvo is the lazier way I think.

Mike
On Jun 8, 2013 11:45 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 BULL FECES!  It's only not safe if you're ignorant or don't respect
 methanol and lye as the chemicals they are.

 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '98 ML320 Max (16,xxx mi)

 On 6/8/2013 7:43 PM, Mike Esh wrote:

 Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I
 would do my attached garage.

 Michael E. Esh
 231-286-2344


 On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  ernest breakfield wrote:

 that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the
 problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems
 pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions i've
 seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers.



 So Mike saves enough on fuel to pay for the car.
 How about this?
 A biodiesel processor wouldn't cost more than a frybrid kit and you can
 run multiple cars from it.
 How does the cost of the additional wear and tear (in this case, $100
 used pump plus $400 labor) compare to the cost of methanol and lye for the
 biodiesel?

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead

Yes it is.

IS this one of those coiled pull springs with a hook on each end, 
kind of easy to pull?


Manfred



From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Wondering if Curt or anyone else might be able to help with a Lawnboy problem.

I have a model 10335 with a serial number in the range of: 991 -
999  THis is 4 cycle, 6.25 HP called silver series

I took the carb off to clean and the governor spring popped off
somewhere in back, but I can't figger out where it was connected.  I
got it running good, but need to figure out the governor connections.
I have not been able to find any info online, other than parts
exploded views which don't help.

I can run it without the governor, but I'd rather keep it original.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Benz Hogs
Toxoplasma gondii requires a meat based host, it won't affect garden 
plants if its composted BEFORE planting.  Don't handle $#it and food 
with the same hands.  You can believe your doomsday scare article about 
Toxoplasma gondii, I'll let it compost naturally the way God created it 
and gladly eat the vegetables that it fertilized.  Same with chicken 
$#it, cow $#it, horse $#it, and human $#it.  Ever heard of a septic 
system?  Gardens grow WONDERFULLY over the septic laterals, where the 
$#it eventually leaves the septic tank.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

On 6/9/2013 12:15 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

There are dozens of articles explaining why to keep carnivore poop out of
your compost and garden.

Here is one:
http://www.greenstar.coop/grocery/106-news/270-the-straight-poop-on-kitty-litter

Not worth the risk of infecting me or my family.

Mike
On Jun 9, 2013 9:25 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


Besides if you apply manure after the plants are growing you can burn
them, thats just dumb.

If bacteria from poop were instant killers we'd all be dead, the human
race would never have moved from being hunter/gatherers. Manure is the
basis for ALL farming. Manure gets spread on fields everywhere, Humanure
included. There is no reason to be scared of poop.

There are of course prudent handling concerns, of which composting and
washing your hands are two, but theres no reason you can compost poop.
Check out the humanure handbook which is readable online.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Interestingly enough I have decided that the dialect known as Ebonics is
 most likely a descendant of Gullah, which was the language the slaves sorta
 cobbled up so that different ones from different tribes could communicate
 among themselves and with the whites (who spoke English, French, Spanish,
 and whatever else in the early days in the islands and here in the
 Lowcountry).  It is sort of a Creole kind of thing.


Pretty close:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer

Here is one view of biodiesel processing on the 'net:

.the biodiesel industry and the technology have evolved. With the
professionally engineered biodiesel systems available today, the process is
simpler, safer, takes less time and yields more consistent results. So I
decided to try one of the commercially available processors--it came boxed
with all of the equipment and reagents needed to turn out consistent,
high-quality biodiesel fuel. The FuelMeister processor used here has five
fewer valves than the eight in my old homemade one. It also mixes the lye
and methanol inside the tank to prevent the chance of dangerous spills

Biodiesel Safety
..Yes, you can make biodiesel in a plastic bucket with little more than
some drain cleaner, gas-line de-icer and a wooden spoon, if you know what
you're doing. But it can be dangerous. Splashing lye and/or methanol into
your eyes can blind you. And electrical pumps unattended in the presence of
hundreds of gallons of flammables will make your local fire marshall
understandably nervous. In addition, poor-quality product will damage your
very expensive diesel-injection pump. Our advice? Research biodiesel
production properly before doing the mad-scientist routine.

 http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/4332200

For more articles type:  methanol lye biodiesel processing dangers on
Google or another search engine.

Fuelmeister source and cost:

 http://www.azurebiodiesel.com/products.shtml

Other processors:  Type biodiesel processors in Google or another search
engine


From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net

BULL FECES!  It's only not safe if you're ignorant or don't respect
methanol and lye as the chemicals they are.



On 6/8/2013 7:43 PM, Mike Esh wrote:

Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I
would do my attached garage.
Michael E. Esh



ernest breakfield wrote:

that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the
problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems
pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions
i've seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers.


So Mike saves enough on fuel to pay for the car.
How about this?
A biodiesel processor wouldn't cost more than a frybrid kit and you can
run multiple cars from it.
How does the cost of the additional wear and tear (in this case, $100
used pump plus $400 labor) compare to the cost of methanol and lye for
the biodiesel?

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer


It once was, but british and ozish and newzealish and
southafricanish and the various other derivatives of the Kings English
currently spoken in Britains former colonies are so far removed from the
original that they have difficulty communicating with each other.  The only
place left where one can hear the kings english spoken correctly is on
American newscasts, in some American college english departments, and among 
us octogenarians who learned it before it was corrupted.

Gerry..who is trying to be funny (he thinks)



Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a
distinct lack of the letter u.
Hendrik
who is being humourous

On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:

Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy language
so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead

Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a 
distinct lack of the letter u.


Hendrik
who is being humourous


BZT wrong!  that is an attempt to be humorous.  One u is enough.

Anyhow, in the confines of jolly ol engeland, they have numerous 
languages also.  queen's, uppity, cockney, BBC, lanc'a'shire, 
yorkshire, and undoubetetly many more I've never heard of.


Interestingly, the BBC variant is drifting closer to midwestern 
'Merkun Angleish, which is considered to be without accent


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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead
Traditional agriculture has relied on cattle and horse manure, 
supplemented by chicken litter for years.  What might be noted is 
that these are herbivores, with the exception of chicken, which 
generally eat bugs or grain.  Manure from carnivores is best NOT used 
around food.  if it has been thoroughly and completely composted at 
temps high enough to kill everything/anything, it could be used.   I 
don't trust anyone's composting that much.


Manure is applied in the fall or winter, and was traditionally plowed under.

No cat crap  in the garden for me please.


Toxoplasma gondii requires a meat based host, it won't affect garden 
plants if its composted BEFORE planting.  Don't handle $#it and food 
with the same hands.  You can believe your doomsday scare article 
about Toxoplasma gondii, I'll let it compost naturally the way God 
created it and gladly eat the vegetables that it fertilized.  Same 
with chicken $#it, cow $#it, horse $#it, and human $#it.  Ever heard 
of a septic system?  Gardens grow WONDERFULLY over the septic 
laterals, where the $#it eventually leaves the septic tank.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

On 6/9/2013 12:15 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

There are dozens of articles explaining why to keep carnivore poop out of
your compost and garden.

Here is one:
http://www.greenstar.coop/grocery/106-news/270-the-straight-poop-on-kitty-litter

Not worth the risk of infecting me or my family.

Mike


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Re: [MBZ] Bad Friday

2013-06-09 Thread OK Don
And you're surprised by that How old is it?


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:39 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote:

 Plenty of thunderbooming going on some miles east of Don in NW Arkansas as
 well; we're chock full of flash flood warnings and tornado alerts.

 Also, Don, the spare in your former 450SLC...well, I'm afraid it just isn't
 worth a darn.

 -MMM-


 On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:11 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  I'm now north of Edmond, on the north side of OKC. Yes, lots of
 interesting
  weather today.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Deer guard 3rd try

2013-06-09 Thread MG
Oh yeah. I totally forgot about that. IT would also help to keep 
the deer from going through the windshield.


Manfred

Michael Canfield wrote:

Yer gonna be needin' some reinforcin thingies that go up and hook on that
roof bar er yer gunna end up bendin that necklace thing the kids like to
jack firs' deer ya run down.

Mike
Who prefers comp insurance over Roo guards.
On Jun 9, 2013 11:35 AM, MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:


Since I was doing a bunch of work on the TD I figured that I
would do something to protect it against the vicious attacks of
those violent suicidal deer that run around on the roads around
here all the time. I figured a Roo guard could be repurposed as a
deer guard, especially since we don't seem to have very many Roos
around this part of Florida. Picture attached for your consideration.

Manfred


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[MBZ] Mercedes concept car

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer

http://www.notcot.com/archives/2010/11/mercedes-benz-biome-11.php

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes concept car

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley

Gerry Archer wrote:

http://www.notcot.com/archives/2010/11/mercedes-benz-biome-11.php


Hovercraft??

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Scott Ritchey

Children too.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:29 AM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless,
incessant barking of their dogs.  Coupla hours ('bout 6 AM)  before I got up
this morning, a small dog somewhere nearby began barking - a shrill
fast-paced bark.  In spite of many years around jet engines, my hearing is
still pretty good - good enough to make me wonder - do dog owners go deaf,
or do they just not give a damned about how their dogs' incessant barking
annoys others nearby.  Obviously, a dog's bark is more annoying to others
than to the dog owner.  I think, if it were as annoying to the owner as it
is to others, the owner would make the dog, shut the hell up.  BTW, I've
owned dogs, too, but I trained them not to bark so.

It's probably the same syndrome that makes the dog owner think it's OK to
bring the dog into my yard to do his/her business.  I call it the my-dog
syndrome - my dog is better than your dog, my dog doesn't bite, my dog's
bark is not annoying, my dog barks silently, my dog's crap doesn't stink, my
dog's crap doesn't make a mess on somebody's shoes or carpet, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Peter Frederick
Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive  
German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE  
who moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup  
was taken from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor  
socialization before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep  
her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I know  
they are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for  
treats, but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   
Quite funny.  She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   
up a storm, so I suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and  
protect her people (which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard  
while she's out, I don't trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything,  
that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can tolerate an over- 
protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched  
people.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread WILTON

Yep, that, too - My dog/child wouldn't do THAT, etc., etc.
Oh, let's not forget, My dog's pee doesn't kill shrubs and flowers.  'May 
not have killed the shrubs, yet, but it sure turns the shrubs brown (dead) 
where they were doused.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com

To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners




Children too.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:29 AM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless,
incessant barking of their dogs.  Coupla hours ('bout 6 AM)  before I got 
up

this morning, a small dog somewhere nearby began barking - a shrill
fast-paced bark.  In spite of many years around jet engines, my hearing is
still pretty good - good enough to make me wonder - do dog owners go deaf,
or do they just not give a damned about how their dogs' incessant barking
annoys others nearby.  Obviously, a dog's bark is more annoying to others
than to the dog owner.  I think, if it were as annoying to the owner as it
is to others, the owner would make the dog, shut the hell up.  BTW, I've
owned dogs, too, but I trained them not to bark so.

It's probably the same syndrome that makes the dog owner think it's OK 
to
bring the dog into my yard to do his/her business.  I call it the 
my-dog

syndrome - my dog is better than your dog, my dog doesn't bite, my dog's
bark is not annoying, my dog barks silently, my dog's crap doesn't stink, 
my

dog's crap doesn't make a mess on somebody's shoes or carpet, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread WILTON

'Sounds like the dog has learned how to get treats, too - bark.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive  
German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE  
who moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup  
was taken from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor  
socialization before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep  
her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I know  
they are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for  
treats, but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   
Quite funny.  She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   
up a storm, so I suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and  
protect her people (which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard  
while she's out, I don't trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything,  
that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can tolerate an over- 
protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched  
people.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread WILTON
Well, I can understand the occasional barking at SOMETHING - a passer-by, 
disturbance, etc., but the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is 
something else.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive 
German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE  who 
moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup  was taken 
from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor  socialization 
before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep 
her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I know  they 
are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for  treats, 
but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   Quite funny. 
She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   up a storm, so I 
suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and  protect her people 
(which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard  while she's out, I don't 
trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything, 
that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can tolerate an over- 
protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched 
people.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in world wide slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Let us know what you find out.  I gotta call him in the morning too.  
Either get my stuff or get my money back.


This is annoying and unacceptable.

--R


On 6/9/13 9:34 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I believe the idea was to call out Trent here and perhaps spur on action.

I also am waiting on a part, the 90 degree heater hose that lives under the AC compressor 
on my '78 240D. Fred had suggested it was in bad shape and I should replace it. Then the 
little hose from the water pump to the thermostat failed so I ordered that, along with 
the heater hose, thermostat, housing gasket and some other gubbins. Everything arrived 
except the heater hose. The thing is the heater hose is almost impossible to replace 
without dismounting the AC compressor (which I already have to do for the little hose) so 
I hate do get in there only to have to get in there again. So project stalled waiting for 
a hose. I emailed Trent Thursday last and he replied I find out which is the 
last I've heard of the matter. I plan to call tomorrow.

I plan also to check at my local CarQuest who can quite likely have it to me 
Tuesday...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Scott Ritchey

Security experts generally recommend dogs as a first line of defense against
burglars, home invaders, etc.  But, indiscriminate barking cancels any
security benefit of a dog. 

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

Well, I can understand the occasional barking at SOMETHING - a passer-by, 
disturbance, etc., but the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is 
something else.

Wilton




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[MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is seized

2013-06-09 Thread Darren Marshall
So I cannot get to the rear bolts. I've tried wd40 to lube it up, and the seat 
just won't ramp up for the life of me.

The bottom of the seat is literally torn to shreds, think I'd be able to get at 
that track assembly if I removed it?

Darren Marshall
1978 240D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

2013-06-09 Thread G Mann
https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-protective-plastic-case-for-iphone-5-golden-black-220804

I can just see that working well when you whip it out at a traffic stop and
say  I want to call my lawyer... or .. at the TSA checkin stand at the
airport...

Let me know how that works out.. would you?

Hahahahahahhahahaha... Can I buy one for Andrew?  [sorry Andrew.. I just
couldn't resist... My bad streak made me do it]  ;)... free shipping even..
hahahaha..

Grant...


On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Interestingly enough I have decided that the dialect known as Ebonics is
 most likely a descendant of Gullah, which was the language the slaves sorta
 cobbled up so that different ones from different tribes could communicate
 among themselves and with the whites (who spoke English, French, Spanish,
 and whatever else in the early days in the islands and here in the
 Lowcountry).  It is sort of a Creole kind of thing.   My neighbors speak a
 very distinctive form of English, which for some is a second language after
 Gullah. I have got to the point where I can catch a good part of what the
 Gullah speakers are saying when they talk among themselves, as it
 incorporates enough English (or American I guess is more accurate) to be
 sorta decipherable.  Many of the people have that accent one would
 associate with Jamaicans.

 A good part of the slaves came through this area, and I think this area
 was also one of the first for slavery, the local landowners having brought
 them up from Barbados and Antigua where they had come from.  So that would
 sort of explain how the Gullah got spread around.

 I have to ask around and see if this hypothesis holds up, maybe check in
 with Queen Quet (the Queen of the Gullahs, not Liz).

 Oh, and here is just the thing you need for concealed carry

 https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-**protective-plastic-case-for-**
 iphone-5-golden-black-220804https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-protective-plastic-case-for-iphone-5-golden-black-220804

 --R

 On 6/9/13 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote:

 Obviously, there are those among us who have insufficient contact with
 those of lower content, thus lack proper training in Ebonics. The inner
 city tribal language which apparently may have devolved from some basis of
 English, the language.

 Whut be hapn n da hood doog .. would be the correct phrase form. The
 insert
 of yall would  be a regional define based on principle demographic of
 the
 speakers sub-cultural influence.

 Grant... AZ
 [ PhD in Ebonics and Typo after decades of employee handling]


 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
 What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a
 distinct lack of the letter u.

 Hendrik
 who is being humourous

 On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:

  Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy language
 so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.
 Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread WILTON

'Zackly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com

To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners




Security experts generally recommend dogs as a first line of defense 
against

burglars, home invaders, etc.  But, indiscriminate barking cancels any
security benefit of a dog.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

Well, I can understand the occasional barking at SOMETHING - a passer-by,
disturbance, etc., but the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is
something else.

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Mountain Man
Dieselhead wrote:
 I don't trust anyone's composting
 that much.

Milorganite, prolly.
They been sellin' the stuff for the past 50 years - human digested junk.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is seized

2013-06-09 Thread Mountain Man
Darren wrote:
 The bottom of the seat is literally torn to shreds, think I'd be able to get 
 at that track assembly if I removed it?


Use socket extension and reach thru the torn to shreds seat, maybe?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Canfield
Milorganite is terrible stuff.  Human and industrial waste combined to make
fertilizer.  Very high in cadmium I believe.  Many studies over the years
about the health problems associated with it say it is a very big problem
but it rakes in millions of dollars a year so it's still being made.

Mike
On Jun 9, 2013 8:44 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Dieselhead wrote:
  I don't trust anyone's composting
  that much.

 Milorganite, prolly.
 They been sellin' the stuff for the past 50 years - human digested junk.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes concept car

2013-06-09 Thread Benz Hogs
I'll believe that when I see a running version.  Read comments at: 
http://www.gizmag.com/mercedes-benz-biome-concept/17096/

Some equate NioNectar4534 to unobtanium and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

On 6/9/2013 2:36 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

http://www.notcot.com/archives/2010/11/mercedes-benz-biome-11.php



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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Mountain Man
Mike wrote:
 Many studies over the years
 about the health problems associated with it say it is a very big problem
 but it rakes in millions of dollars a year so it's still being made.

For sure.  All of us faux organic dudes suck in to the marketing and
blow off the cadmium and other junk.  I bet it has improved thru the
years.  I hear stories about it because I hear a few stories about
milorganite on WPR radio - Wisconsin Public Radio which uses a few NPR
feeds but does much local program - kinda nice.  I hear it on the
Elgin station WEPS which is the only radio station owned by a school
district according to wikipedia.
The majority of my work life was in wastewater reclamation  reuse -
treat it, spray it on the land, use the nutrients.  Treat wastewater
as resource to be managed, not as waste to dispose in to someone
else's water supply.  You want ick factor - consider that.  Much worse
than cat $%it in your garden or cadmium in your milorganite.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
You'd need to be able to make primers I guess. Dad says cases aren't all that 
hard to get.

Realistically right now .22 ammo (or .223 I suppose) is the place to make 
money. If theres an unreasonable thing to buy out its .22, its not much of a 
self defense round and its extremely unlikely (other than that stupid 
California thing which won't stand) to be banned.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:11:05 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder
Message-ID: 51b47ee9.6090...@voyager.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Curt Raymond wrote:

 Anybody with some money and an entrepreneurial bent out to start an 
 ammunition factory right now. Plan on running it for 16 months and then sell. 
 As soon as the fervor burns out you won't be able to make it as a small 
 manufacturer but for now you could make a little money and then make money on 
 the sale. I'd do it myself if I had money and knowhow.

Who's going to sell you a few million primers and cases to get your factory up 
and running?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes concept car

2013-06-09 Thread Craig
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:57:17 -0500 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
wrote:

 I'll believe that when I see a running version.  Read comments at: 
 http://www.gizmag.com/mercedes-benz-biome-concept/17096/
 Some equate NioNectar4534 to unobtanium and 20,000 Leagues Under the
 Sea

Not to mention dilithium crystals and warp drive


Craig


 On 6/9/2013 2:36 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
  http://www.notcot.com/archives/2010/11/mercedes-benz-biome-11.php

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
Actually right now you could probably sell at a fair profit.

The good thing is ammo really doesn't go bad. I've shot stuff that was WWI 
surplus that still shot reasonably well.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 09:17:58 -0400
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder
Message-ID: a61d65c4-4e7f-4671-ad77-d8337c10e...@penoff.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

It's funny, as my former employers, both right wingers, one more so than the 
other, played into this panic in 2008. Since they both have a fair amount of 
disposable income, they were buying up rounds of every possible type and size 
that fit their large collection of firearms.

Our postal carrier hated delivering to our business, as many of these ammo 
manufacturers used USPS Priority Mail to deliver their products. This means a 
typical day's delivery might consist of 5-6 large 60 pound boxes.

These guys seemed to be in a mild panic, calling and emailing suppliers on a 
daily basis to buy up whatever they could get their hands on. Anything under 
1000 rounds was not acceptable.

I always chuckled about this, as I figured 10 years from now they'll have this 
huge pile of ammo they will never use...

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
The article does more to support Luther and I in our contention that cat manure 
can be reasonably composted (and aged, don't forget aging) than for the fear 
mongering that says you can't.

The exception is pregnant women and the imuno-compromised but note it says they 
shouldn't be handling cat manure AT ALL.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:56:59 -0500
From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
Message-ID: 51b4cffb.2060...@gulseth.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Toxoplasma gondii requires a meat based host, it won't affect garden 
plants if its composted BEFORE planting.  Don't handle $#it and food 
with the same hands.  You can believe your doomsday scare article about 
Toxoplasma gondii, I'll let it compost naturally the way God created it 
and gladly eat the vegetables that it fertilized.  Same with chicken 
$#it, cow $#it, horse $#it, and human $#it.  Ever heard of a septic 
system?  Gardens grow WONDERFULLY over the septic laterals, where the 
$#it eventually leaves the septic tank.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi)

On 6/9/2013 12:15 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
 There are dozens of articles explaining why to keep carnivore poop out of
 your compost and garden.

 Here is one:
 http://www.greenstar.coop/grocery/106-news/270-the-straight-poop-on-kitty-litter

 Not worth the risk of infecting me or my family.

 Mike

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
You shoot 'em before they go or what?

I figure a cat doing its bidness in your garden is INFINITELY more dangerous 
than Andrew's composting his indoor cats manure. An outdoor cat sneaking into 
your sandbox has probably ingested outdoor animals and their parasites etc. and 
is thus passing it on to you without the benefit of composting.

I spread my coffee grounds on the garden which seems to help keep 'em away. 
Once the plants grow in its never a big issue, the only trouble is when the 
garden is just open ground.


BTW I found today that my local (well local-ish) Starbucks will collect me all 
the coffee grounds I want for my garden if I call each morning.
Since they're right on my commute I plan to hit them daily, it'll be 
interesting to see how much I can haul.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:24:44 -0500
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
Message-ID: a06240808cdda84961a60@[192.168.1.51]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

Traditional agriculture has relied on cattle and horse manure, 
supplemented by chicken litter for years.  What might be noted is 
that these are herbivores, with the exception of chicken, which 
generally eat bugs or grain.  Manure from carnivores is best NOT used 
around food.  if it has been thoroughly and completely composted at 
temps high enough to kill everything/anything, it could be used.   I 
don't trust anyone's composting that much.

Manure is applied in the fall or winter, and was traditionally plowed under.

No cat crap  in the garden for me please.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
One dousing shouldn't hurt anything, especially if you get any amount of rain 
at all. In fact it should help fix nitrogen into the soil (at least a little).
Repeated doses will certainly burn a plant but again after some rain it should 
come back better than before. Where Buster does his business all winter the 
grass gets burned pretty bad. This spring I limed it real heavy (with the 
pelletized slow release stuff) and its come back real thick there.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:52:12 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners
Message-ID: C693FEC88D1A4527B9DF3C1ED7050B97@wiltonPC
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Yep, that, too - My dog/child wouldn't do THAT, etc., etc.
Oh, let's not forget, My dog's pee doesn't kill shrubs and flowers.  'May 
not have killed the shrubs, yet, but it sure turns the shrubs brown (dead) 
where they were doused.

Wilton

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[MBZ] 2004 E320 4matic - Water on Front Passenger's Side after Heavy Rain

2013-06-09 Thread Robert Koziak
Hi All,


We had heavy rain a few days ago.  I parked my 2004 E320 4matic in my 
driveway (Hill slops downward).  Went to get something out of the glove box and 
noticed the front passenger carpet was soaked. I pulled back the rug and spent 
a couple of hours soaking up water from the carpet and well. I checked the 
sunroof drains and they flowed fine.  


 I soaked the car with a heavy stream of water and couldn't see any water 
leaks.


 Any suggestions on the cause and how to dry up the car completely.


Thanks in advance.


Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in first world slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Hendrik and Fay
My question is whether an attempt has been made to contact Trent, to 
find out what is going on.
Sure a good parts vendor will contact the buyer if there is a problem 
with the order, which happens but to go public with issues, without 
making some attempt to resolve the situation is just not in the spirit 
of the game.
I guess we just got used to having things done quick and get all weird 
if there is a problem.

This may be be classed as a first world problem, might be meme time?

Hendrik
who has a lot of first world problems

On 10/06/13 08:39, Rich Thomas wrote:
Let us know what you find out.  I gotta call him in the morning too.  
Either get my stuff or get my money back.


This is annoying and unacceptable.

--R


On 6/9/13 9:34 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
I believe the idea was to call out Trent here and perhaps spur on 
action.


I also am waiting on a part, the 90 degree heater hose that lives 
under the AC compressor on my '78 240D. Fred had suggested it was in 
bad shape and I should replace it. Then the little hose from the 
water pump to the thermostat failed so I ordered that, along with the 
heater hose, thermostat, housing gasket and some other gubbins. 
Everything arrived except the heater hose. The thing is the heater 
hose is almost impossible to replace without dismounting the AC 
compressor (which I already have to do for the little hose) so I hate 
do get in there only to have to get in there again. So project 
stalled waiting for a hose. I emailed Trent Thursday last and he 
replied I find out which is the last I've heard of the matter. I 
plan to call tomorrow.


I plan also to check at my local CarQuest who can quite likely have 
it to me Tuesday...


-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is seized

2013-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond
I had exactly the same issue on my '83 240D. Never did solve it, sorry.

One thing I can tell you is that WD-40 is a lousy lubricant. Try a real 
penetrant, PB Blaster is probably the worst of the better bunch, lots of people 
swear by ATF and acetone mixture.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:39:37 -0500
From: Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is
seized
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So I cannot get to the rear bolts. I've tried wd40 to lube it up, and the seat 
just won't ramp up for the life of me.

The bottom of the seat is literally torn to shreds, think I'd be able to get at 
that track assembly if I removed it?

Darren Marshall
1978 240D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden -- now POTW sludge

2013-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas
It depends on where it is from.  In a previous life my wife was Residuals 
Program Manager for the Boston Harbor Project and one of her jobs was to find 
a place to get rid of the sludge from the treatment works (which you can see if 
you fly into BOS - large egg-shaped digesters- her legacy to the region).  
Since Boston has very little industry, it was actually quite clean, and would 
have been great for use as compost.  I think they actually process some for 
golf courses and whatnot, and the rest is landfilled.  But people just had a 
thing about it.

I would see her on the late tv news, presenting at some public hearing or 
other, people yelling and screaming at her about landfills for the sludge, she 
would get home at midnight completely whacked from those experiences.  She got 
a coupla threats...  We would get hang up calls... They thought it was rad 
waste..

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:

Milorganite is terrible stuff.  Human and industrial waste combined to make
fertilizer.  Very high in cadmium I believe.  Many studies over the years
about the health problems associated with it say it is a very big problem
but it rakes in millions of dollars a year so it's still being made.

Mike
On Jun 9, 2013 8:44 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Dieselhead wrote:
 I don't trust anyone's composting
 that much.
 
 Milorganite, prolly.
 They been sellin' the stuff for the past 50 years - human digested junk.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in first world slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff
Hendrik,

I think if you go back and read some of the comments you'll note that some of 
us have attempted to contact him without success.  That is one of the issues.

Sort of hard to resolve things when the phone isn't answered and emails aren't 
responded to.

Not judging, just clarifying.

Dan

On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

 My question is whether an attempt has been made to contact Trent, to find out 
 what is going on.
 Sure a good parts vendor will contact the buyer if there is a problem with 
 the order, which happens but to go public with issues, without making some 
 attempt to resolve the situation is just not in the spirit of the game.
 I guess we just got used to having things done quick and get all weird if 
 there is a problem.
 This may be be classed as a first world problem, might be meme time?
 
 Hendrik
 who has a lot of first world problems
 


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Re: [MBZ] My experiences -- a datum point in first world slackness

2013-06-09 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Sorry must have missed that part.

Hendrik
who is off to the movies

On 10/06/13 11:37, Dan Penoff wrote:

Hendrik,

I think if you go back and read some of the comments you'll note that some of 
us have attempted to contact him without success.  That is one of the issues.

Sort of hard to resolve things when the phone isn't answered and emails aren't 
responded to.

Not judging, just clarifying.

Dan

On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:


My question is whether an attempt has been made to contact Trent, to find out 
what is going on.
Sure a good parts vendor will contact the buyer if there is a problem with the 
order, which happens but to go public with issues, without making some attempt 
to resolve the situation is just not in the spirit of the game.
I guess we just got used to having things done quick and get all weird if there 
is a problem.
This may be be classed as a first world problem, might be meme time?

Hendrik
who has a lot of first world problems






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Re: [MBZ] 261 mpg VW....I want one

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer

ROFL!!!  Sent this on May 23.
Gerry

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/05/volkswagen-xl1-driven/

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes concept car

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer
A number of years ago people said the same thing about the current crop of 
blob-cars that look like something a constipated cow left in the barnyard. 
The next true automotive advance will be aerocars; drive 'em or fly 'em.

Gerry


On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:57:17 -0500 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
wrote:

I'll believe that when I see a running version.  Read comments at:
http://www.gizmag.com/mercedes-benz-biome-concept/17096/
Some equate NioNectar4534 to unobtanium and 20,000 Leagues Under the
Sea


Not to mention dilithium crystals and warp drive


Craig



On 6/9/2013 2:36 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
 http://www.notcot.com/archives/2010/11/mercedes-benz-biome-11.php


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread WILTON
I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain big dog 
comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all of the shrubs 
across the front of the house.  This leads to dead/brown and deformed areas 
on the plants.  We're still waiting for them to come back better than 
before.  Having grown up as a farm boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of 
understanding of the process, including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners thinking 
that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business.  If it were MY 
dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


One dousing shouldn't hurt anything, especially if you get any amount of 
rain at all. In fact it should help fix nitrogen into the soil (at least a 
little).
Repeated doses will certainly burn a plant but again after some rain it 
should come back better than before. Where Buster does his business all 
winter the grass gets burned pretty bad. This spring I limed it real heavy 
(with the pelletized slow release stuff) and its come back real thick 
there.


-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:52:12 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners
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Yep, that, too - My dog/child wouldn't do THAT, etc., etc.
Oh, let's not forget, My dog's pee doesn't kill shrubs and flowers. 
'May

not have killed the shrubs, yet, but it sure turns the shrubs brown (dead)
where they were doused.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4matic - Water on Front Passenger's Side after Heavy Rain

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead

Reseal the windshield



Hi All,


We had heavy rain a few days ago.  I parked my 2004 E320 4matic 
in my driveway (Hill slops downward).  Went to get something out of 
the glove box and noticed the front passenger carpet was soaked. I 
pulled back the rug and spent a couple of hours soaking up water 
from the carpet and well. I checked the sunroof drains and they 
flowed fine. 



 I soaked the car with a heavy stream of water and couldn't see 
any water leaks.



 Any suggestions on the cause and how to dry up the car completely.


Thanks in advance.

Bob K


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Re: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is seized

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead

I had exactly the same issue on my '83 240D. Never did solve it, sorry.

One thing I can tell you is that WD-40 is a lousy lubricant. Try a 
real penetrant, PB Blaster is probably the worst of the better 
bunch, lots of people swear by ATF and acetone mixture.



-Curt

The mopar rust penetrant from your FLDogde (FLDS) stealer is the best 
I have seen.  It literally eats rust.


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead
I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain 
big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all 
of the shrubs across the front of the house.  This leads to 
dead/brown and deformed areas on the plants.  We're still waiting 
for them to come back better than before.  Having grown up as a farm 
boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of understanding of the process, 
including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners 
thinking that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business. 
If it were MY dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton


All you need is an electric bush!  So that when he lifts his leg, he 
completes a circuit and gets tickled in a certain part of his 
anatomy.  once or twice will break the dog of the habit.  Not sure 
about the owner


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead


'lectric fencer hooked to a plate (steel or alum.) where he pees 
might work well, and be less likely to cause real damage.



I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain 
big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all 
of the shrubs across the front of the house.  This leads to 
dead/brown and deformed areas on the plants.  We're still waiting 
for them to come back better than before.  Having grown up as a farm 
boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of understanding of the process, 
including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners 
thinking that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business. 
If it were MY dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Dieselhead

480VAC should do..

I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain 
big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all 
of the shrubs across the front of the house.  This leads to 
dead/brown and deformed areas on the plants.  We're still waiting 
for them to come back better than before.  Having grown up as a farm 
boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of understanding of the process, 
including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners 
thinking that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business. 
If it were MY dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

2013-06-09 Thread clay
Thank you Randy.  SWMBA will be purchasing an new to her car in about a year.  
She needs something to drive in Anchorage.  I do not need a car for snow, as I 
intend to remain parked in my home in the lower 48.  She is making a career 
move that requires (?) a car for snow.

I do like the cars I have.  There is going to come a time for the E300 to 
require massive infusions of dollars to bring it back to a reasonably safe 
condition.  That time is not now, but maybe when the bushings die, the 
suspension sags, the engine leaks and burns coolant, and the seats and carpet 
are all broken springs and threadbare tufting.  In my mind, that is in another 
400k miles.

clay


On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 06/06/2013 12:45 AM, clay wrote:
 At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the 
 E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug up 
 her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.  
 What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?
 
 
 clay
 
 
 Cannot recall what is wrong with the one you have.
 Have to suggest that, if the cost of repair is reasonable and the rest of the 
 one you have is good, then you are likely better off keeping it.
 My truck is in that category. It is an 02 with 170K miles on it and is 
 developing a bit of rust on the driver's side rocker panel. Runs good, AC 
 works etc. Should consider moving on but cannot see anything I want more 
 unless I buy new and I rarely do. Last new one was in 1977. Too much $$.
 
 So, I would be fearful of getting into something that has more issues than 
 what I already have.
 
 Now, having said that, if your good wife has just come to a point in time 
 where she wants, or thinks she wants a different vehicle, then you are not 
 going to win this one. Even if she agrees to fix and keep, you will likely 
 end up changing vehicles for her in the near future.
 
 So, having said that, I think my advice would be to buy newer and probably 
 the newest you think you can afford. Newer vehicles do tend to have some 
 advantages - usually safer - and hopefully a lower likelyhood of issues. For 
 example, my 02 F150 was 5 years old when I got it and I have had it almost 7 
 years. I have done very little work on it in that time. It has thus been very 
 easy to own and that contributes to my willingness to keep it for the 
 foreseeable future.
 
 My 2 cents for whatever that is worth.
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-09 Thread clay
That odd transition time seems to have caught my father.  The service was 
yesterday and though he had enlisted in the army, served in Korea and got out 
just prior to the police action, he was honored as and his marker says he was 
Air Force.  Must have been DoD designation, though discharge papers say he was 
army.

clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Max wrote:
 AAC, that's it.
 
 My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, I 
 think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army greens, 
 but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't get a choice 
 in the matter.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley

WILTON wrote:
I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain big 
dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all of the 
shrubs across the front of the house.  


A thin strand of wire and a cheap fence charger will cure that.
http://youtu.be/-wDzICw13ps

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-09 Thread Craig
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 23:50:48 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 WILTON wrote:
  I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain
  big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all of
  the shrubs across the front of the house.  
 
 A thin strand of wire and a cheap fence charger will cure that.
 http://youtu.be/-wDzICw13ps

You want the kind that put out continuous AC, not periodic pulses, so
whenever the dog makes a connection he will get a jolt.


Craig

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