Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Even if they did, the water has to go in first.  You _never_ add water to
acid, not unless you _like_ steam-driven acid droplets everywhere.  So, if
they left anything out, it would have been the acid!

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Batteries don't get acid and water added separately.  They dilute the acid
to strength, then add the result to the cells.  Could have been a short
pour...

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Except for the "dry type" batteries like the Prius uses, I've never had a 
battery that covers couldn't be pried off of that exposed the cells and allowed 
the use of a hydrometer and the addition of water; and I've never had one that 
the covers couldn't be pushed or tapped back on. 
I can understand why stores don't want their clerks dealing with sulfuric acid 
solution, and would rather replace batteries than open them, but for DIYers, I 
think a hydrometer could save a lot of time and trouble.
The last battery I bought had no visible electrolyte in one cell when I checked 
it after driving home. I took it back and told the manager. 
He refused to even look at the cell and said if the battery goes bad, he'll 
replace it. 
I guessed that the factory had put in the acid but not the water since the 
battery likely wouldn't have started the car if they had added the water but 
not the acid, so I went home and filled the cell with distilled water. It's 
been a few years and the battery is still working well.
Gerry 


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> >I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
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> Sealed. 
> Batteries.
> I have a turkey baster style
> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that and holes in clothes...


Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM

Two words.
Sealed.
Batteries.
I have a turkey baster style
specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm guessing either the starter or battery is bad, but I've had cables 
corroded under the jacket by the terminal.  Invisible and hard to figure 
out.  I cut the jacket, saw the corrosion,  cut off the terminal and a 
couple inches of the cable, bolted on a new terminal, problem solves, 
but not OE.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 6:28 PM
Yes I could. Now that I have the oil changed I will see how it starts 
in the morning.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Refractometer.  Why mess with a hydrometer, and a refractometer tests a lot of 
other stuff, too, like antifreeze concentration?

-D


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gerry writes:
> 
>> I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
> 
> Two words.
> Sealed. 
> Batteries.
> I have a turkey baster style
> specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Gerry writes:

>I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.

Two words.
Sealed. 
Batteries.
I have a turkey baster style
specific gravity hydrometer I haven't used in years

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Curley McLain wrote:
> You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or 
> battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> 
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
> > Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs 
> > and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and 
> > BAM, it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in 
> > a little 240d

I don't understand why seemingly no one uses a sp.gr. hydrometer anymore.
It has solved so many problems for me, I wouldn't be without it.
The plastic type are okay when they are new, but I still prefer the all glass 
and rubber models such as this $11 model:
https://www.amazon.com/OTC-4619-Professional-Battery-Hydrometer/dp/B0050SFVHO/ref=sr_1_3/143-1233966-9772214?ie=UTF8=1513473626=8-3=battery+hydrometer

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not to be a Donnie Downer, but I doubt that has anything to do with your
starting problem.

On Dec 16, 2017 7:28 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes I could. Now that I have the oil changed I will see how it starts in
> the morning.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 16, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or
> battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> >
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
> >> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
> and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM, it
> fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a little 240d
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Yes I could. Now that I have the oil changed I will see how it starts in the 
morning. 

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or battery.  
> it should crank full speed for a minute at a time
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
>> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs and 
>> found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM, it fired 
>> right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a little 240d
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Only way to tell for sure is to use voltmeter and (hefty) ammeter.  Or,
shotgun parts at it.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You may still have a problem with the starter,  cable, terminal, or 
battery.  it should crank full speed for a minute at a time



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 1:31 PM
Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs 
and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and 
BAM, it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in 
a little 240d


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ha. I wonder if that's why my 300td doesn't start as a fast as it used to.
> I thought my problem was the block heater, but maybe I have a bad grow plug.
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017 2:40 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:31:48 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
>>> and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM,
>>> it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a
>>> little 240d
>> 
>> Well, it does represent 25% of the glowing capability.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ha. I wonder if that's why my 300td doesn't start as a fast as it used to.
I thought my problem was the block heater, but maybe I have a bad grow plug.

On Dec 16, 2017 2:40 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:31:48 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
> > and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM,
> > it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a
> > little 240d
>
> Well, it does represent 25% of the glowing capability.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:31:48 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs
> and found 1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM,
> it fired right up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a
> little 240d

Well, it does represent 25% of the glowing capability.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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Problem solved. At least I fixed 1 car today. I ohmed the glow plugs and found 
1 dead one. Replaced it with one I had laying around and BAM, it fired right 
up. I guess 1 dead plug makes a big difference in a little 240d

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:57 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
>   Put your wife to work.  Hook up the tow cable and tow it to start it.  
> I've done it a few times before with my 300D.  Put in neutral, get to over 
> 35mph and put in 2nd.  When it starts, put in neutral again and rev the pedal 
> to blow out the excess fuel in the cylinders from your cranking to try and 
> start it.  If it starts and runs ok and once warm, restarts easily again, it 
> will pretty much indicate what is wrong.  If it's still slow cranking, then 
> mostly likely the starter is tired.
> 
> Good luck and best wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
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> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

turn on the headlights, then watch the light as you crank it.  
(Voltmeter of sorts)  If the lights go out when the starter cranks, bad 
battery or short in  starter.  Generally bad battery.


If the lights only dim, look at terminals, cables and starter.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 16, 2017 at 1:22 PM
We did that with the Snowmobile Club's tractor. 6v when cranking, no 
wonder it needed a jump...


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We did that with the Snowmobile Club's tractor. 6v when cranking, no wonder it 
needed a jump...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Hey, Spencer, put a voltmeter on the 
battery and watch it while I crank the engine.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We did that with the Snowmobile Club's tractor. 6v when cranking, no wonder it 
needed a jump...

Curt

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battery and watch it while I crank the engine.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

   Put your wife to work.  Hook up the tow cable and tow it to start it.  
I've done it a few times before with my 300D.  Put in neutral, get to over 
35mph and put in 2nd.  When it starts, put in neutral again and rev the pedal 
to blow out the excess fuel in the cylinders from your cranking to try and 
start it.  If it starts and runs ok and once warm, restarts easily again, it 
will pretty much indicate what is wrong.  If it's still slow cranking, then 
mostly likely the starter is tired.

Good luck and best wishes,

Roger

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Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea. I can’t get any help around here. Now I’m back to dealing with this 642. I 
got 4 cars in here plus a diesel suburban I just picked up that does not run 
that I am jumping back and forth on

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> Hey, Spencer, put a voltmeter on the battery and watch it while I crank the 
> engine.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter

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I just checked it again and it’s over the top mark but not that much over. I 
cranked it again and paid more attention. It never does start out cranking as 
fast as it should. It starts turning over faster when it’s trying to fire for a 
couple of seconds then slows down further. It’s just like a low batter except 
the battery tests fine and has a full charge. Even has the charger on it in 
maintain mode.

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would at least suck out the excess oil before I tried to start it.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The oil level is way too high also indicating they overfilled it. I’m 
>> wanting to get it started and warmed up enough to do an oil change. I may 
>> plug the block heater in for a bit and hope it works.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast 
>>> engine turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
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Hey, Spencer, put a voltmeter on the battery and watch it while I crank the 
engine.

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I would at least suck out the excess oil before I tried to start it.

-D


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> The oil level is way too high also indicating they overfilled it. I’m wanting 
> to get it started and warmed up enough to do an oil change. I may plug the 
> block heater in for a bit and hope it works.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast 
>> engine turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
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The oil level is way too high also indicating they overfilled it. I’m wanting 
to get it started and warmed up enough to do an oil change. I may plug the 
block heater in for a bit and hope it works.

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> 
> I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast 
> engine turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
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I think you've got it figured out.  Thick cold oil would not allow fast engine 
turn then slow down, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.
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[MBZ] 240D Starter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I think I may have a starter issue on this 240D I have been messing 
with.  So when I got it bled I got it started.  I then adjusted the 
valves and since then the temp has dropped.  Since then I have not been 
able to get it started again.  What its doing is it cranks fine for a 
couple of seconds and acts like it wants to start then it quickly starts 
slowing down too slow to fire it off like the battery is dropping too 
quickly.  Battery appears to be fairly new and is out of my 95.  I load 
tested it and it tested fine.  I just wonder if they either have some 
super thick oil in it, or if the starter is getting weak or something.  
Its cooler but not too cold as to where is should have problems 
starting, its been in the 40's and 50's when I have tried to start it.



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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

No definitely not stainless!

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> On Nov 25, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> I think my brother had put stainless on it?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2017 9:02 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
>> wrote:
>> I'm trying to remember but I don't think I ever did any exhaust work on that 
>> car which I think makes it the only car I ever owned that didn't need 
>> exhaust work...
>> Curt
>> 
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>>   On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dimitri via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   Wow! 22 years of patch jobs, now 
>> that’s impressive! Might take you up on the resonator and muffler offer! The 
>> last exhaust I repaired was on the 240 that Curt gave me (formerly 
>> Dwight’s)-the one with the head issue. I repaired the muffler and resonator 
>> with sheet metal as well as replacing a good amount of the pipes. Whole 
>> thing cost me $90 in parts from flaps that I pieced together. It fit better 
>> than an OE exhaust as I pretty much tailored it to car!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Nice work!  (as always)  I broke down and put new exhaust on both 240Ds.  
>> > From crockauto the price is not so bad  I patched the exhaust on the 
>> > 81 for 22 years.  the front pipe kept rotting away.  Methinks it was a 
>> > flaps replacement sometime, while the rest was original.  I have a good 
>> > muffler, and a good resonator in the shed.  If you ever need either, you 
>> > could weld them on.
>> >
>> >> Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> >> November 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM
>> >> So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off one 
>> >> of my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, picked it 
>> >> off the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I drove the car 
>> >> sans exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors loved me! As I 
>> >> was busy with a massive rental property renovation, I had no time until 
>> >> now to deal with it. Basically the pipe rotted at the flange where the 
>> >> front pipe and remainder of exhaust attach.
>> >> I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off rotted 
>> >> flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I then bought 
>> >> a new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for a grand total 
>> >> of $35 including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, I effected a 
>> >> permanent and high quality repair!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I think my brother had put stainless on it?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 25, 2017 9:02 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I'm trying to remember but I don't think I ever did any exhaust work on
> that car which I think makes it the only car I ever owned that didn't need
> exhaust work...
> Curt
>
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>   On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Wow! 22 years of patch jobs, now that’s
> impressive! Might take you up on the resonator and muffler offer! The last
> exhaust I repaired was on the 240 that Curt gave me (formerly Dwight’s)-the
> one with the head issue. I repaired the muffler and resonator with sheet
> metal as well as replacing a good amount of the pipes. Whole thing cost me
> $90 in parts from flaps that I pieced together. It fit better than an OE
> exhaust as I pretty much tailored it to car!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nice work!  (as always)  I broke down and put new exhaust on both
> 240Ds.  From crockauto the price is not so bad  I patched the exhaust
> on the 81 for 22 years.  the front pipe kept rotting away.  Methinks it was
> a flaps replacement sometime, while the rest was original.  I have a good
> muffler, and a good resonator in the shed.  If you ever need either, you
> could weld them on.
> >
> >> Dimitri via Mercedes 
> >> November 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM
> >> So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off one
> of my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, picked it
> off the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I drove the car sans
> exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors loved me! As I was busy
> with a massive rental property renovation, I had no time until now to deal
> with it. Basically the pipe rotted at the flange where the front pipe and
> remainder of exhaust attach.
> >> I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off rotted
> flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I then bought a
> new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for a grand total of
> $35 including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, I effected a permanent
> and high quality repair!
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm trying to remember but I don't think I ever did any exhaust work on that 
car which I think makes it the only car I ever owned that didn't need exhaust 
work...
Curt

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  On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:   Wow! 22 years of patch jobs, now that’s impressive! Might take you up 
on the resonator and muffler offer! The last exhaust I repaired was on the 240 
that Curt gave me (formerly Dwight’s)-the one with the head issue. I repaired 
the muffler and resonator with sheet metal as well as replacing a good amount 
of the pipes. Whole thing cost me $90 in parts from flaps that I pieced 
together. It fit better than an OE exhaust as I pretty much tailored it to car!

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> On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice work!  (as always)  I broke down and put new exhaust on both 240Ds.  
> From crockauto the price is not so bad  I patched the exhaust on the 81 
> for 22 years.  the front pipe kept rotting away.  Methinks it was a flaps 
> replacement sometime, while the rest was original.  I have a good muffler, 
> and a good resonator in the shed.  If you ever need either, you could weld 
> them on.
> 
>> Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> November 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM
>> So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off one of 
>> my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, picked it off 
>> the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I drove the car sans 
>> exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors loved me! As I was busy 
>> with a massive rental property renovation, I had no time until now to deal 
>> with it. Basically the pipe rotted at the flange where the front pipe and 
>> remainder of exhaust attach.
>> I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off rotted 
>> flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I then bought a 
>> new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for a grand total of $35 
>> including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, I effected a permanent and 
>> high quality repair!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

You have to dissect the rotted pipe stub out of the muffler, insert a new pipe 
into the hole  in the side of the muffler and weld the new pipe to the sheet 
metal on the muffler. Since the steel is thicker on the pipe, you have to 
direct the mig nozzle more towards the pipe and weave the puddle into the sheet 
metal carefully so as to not burn through the muffler but at the same time get 
good penetration on the pipe. 

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> On Nov 24, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I dont' thing there is 2 " of pipe off the muffler.  I think the only thing 
> that MIGHT work is to have a connector section that is smaller and fits up 
> inside the muffler.  At the end of the day it probably needs a new muffler.  
> Which it being a 1 year only sort of deal is $300+ iirc.
> 
> 
>> On 11/24/2017 6:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Make gussets.  weld to muffler and pipe over your welds. (or griind off the 
>> welds for the gussets, and reweld with the gussets.)  Probably need 4 
>> gussets.
>> 
>> If there is at least 2" of pipe in front  of the muffler, grind off the 
>> welds, and use the tin can hose clamp bandaid.   It is cracking from 
>> vibration.  the bandaid releives the stress and vibration.  I have run those 
>> on 200Ds for 40 + years.  You need to replace the can every 2-7 years.  Or 
>> you can use 22-26 ga flat steel.  One hose clamp on the back, one on the 
>> front.
>> 
>> Or,  you can give the POS to Dimitri.  He will fix it!
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> November 24, 2017 at 6:01 PM
>>> I need to do something about the exhaust on my 95 e300. It started breaking 
>>> off close to where the pipe runs into the rear muffler. I welded it up, 
>>> rather poorly probably as it was my first time. It lasted a couple of weeks 
>>> then started breaking loose again. I welded it some more but it probably 
>>> won’t last. I need to pull it off again and see about getting some sort or 
>>> connector that will fit over or in the pipe and weld that.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I dont' thing there is 2 " of pipe off the muffler.  I think the only 
thing that MIGHT work is to have a connector section that is smaller and 
fits up inside the muffler.  At the end of the day it probably needs a 
new muffler.  Which it being a 1 year only sort of deal is $300+ iirc.



On 11/24/2017 6:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Make gussets.  weld to muffler and pipe over your welds. (or griind 
off the welds for the gussets, and reweld with the gussets.)  Probably 
need 4 gussets.


If there is at least 2" of pipe in front  of the muffler, grind off 
the welds, and use the tin can hose clamp bandaid.   It is cracking 
from vibration.  the bandaid releives the stress and vibration.  I 
have run those on 200Ds for 40 + years.  You need to replace the can 
every 2-7 years.  Or you can use 22-26 ga flat steel.  One hose clamp 
on the back, one on the front.


Or,  you can give the POS to Dimitri.  He will fix it!

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 24, 2017 at 6:01 PM
I need to do something about the exhaust on my 95 e300. It started 
breaking off close to where the pipe runs into the rear muffler. I 
welded it up, rather poorly probably as it was my first time. It 
lasted a couple of weeks then started breaking loose again. I welded 
it some more but it probably won’t last. I need to pull it off again 
and see about getting some sort or connector that will fit over or in 
the pipe and weld that.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Make gussets.  weld to muffler and pipe over your welds. (or griind off 
the welds for the gussets, and reweld with the gussets.)  Probably need 
4 gussets.


If there is at least 2" of pipe in front  of the muffler, grind off the 
welds, and use the tin can hose clamp bandaid.   It is cracking from 
vibration.  the bandaid releives the stress and vibration.  I have run 
those on 200Ds for 40 + years.  You need to replace the can every 2-7 
years.  Or you can use 22-26 ga flat steel.  One hose clamp on the back, 
one on the front.


Or,  you can give the POS to Dimitri.  He will fix it!

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 24, 2017 at 6:01 PM
I need to do something about the exhaust on my 95 e300. It started 
breaking off close to where the pipe runs into the rear muffler. I 
welded it up, rather poorly probably as it was my first time. It 
lasted a couple of weeks then started breaking loose again. I welded 
it some more but it probably won’t last. I need to pull it off again 
and see about getting some sort or connector that will fit over or in 
the pipe and weld that.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Wow! 22 years of patch jobs, now that’s impressive! Might take you up on the 
resonator and muffler offer! The last exhaust I repaired was on the 240 that 
Curt gave me (formerly Dwight’s)-the one with the head issue. I repaired the 
muffler and resonator with sheet metal as well as replacing a good amount of 
the pipes. Whole thing cost me $90 in parts from flaps that I pieced together. 
It fit better than an OE exhaust as I pretty much tailored it to car!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice work!  (as always)  I broke down and put new exhaust on both 240Ds.   
> From crockauto the price is not so bad  I patched the exhaust on the 81 
> for 22 years.  the front pipe kept rotting away.  Methinks it was a flaps 
> replacement sometime, while the rest was original.   I have a good muffler, 
> and a good resonator in the shed.  If you ever need either, you could weld 
> them on.
> 
>> Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> November 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM
>> So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off one of 
>> my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, picked it off 
>> the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I drove the car sans 
>> exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors loved me! As I was busy 
>> with a massive rental property renovation, I had no time until now to deal 
>> with it. Basically the pipe rotted at the flange where the front pipe and 
>> remainder of exhaust attach.
>> I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off rotted 
>> flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I then bought a 
>> new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for a grand total of $35 
>> including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, I effected a permanent and 
>> high quality repair!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I need to do something about the exhaust on my 95 e300. It started breaking off 
close to where the pipe runs into the rear muffler. I welded it up, rather 
poorly probably as it was my first time. It lasted a couple of weeks then 
started breaking loose again. I welded it some more but it probably won’t last. 
I need to pull it off again and see about getting some sort or connector that 
will fit over or in the pipe and weld that. 

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> On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice work!  (as always)  I broke down and put new exhaust on both 240Ds.   
> From crockauto the price is not so bad  I patched the exhaust on the 81 
> for 22 years.  the front pipe kept rotting away.  Methinks it was a flaps 
> replacement sometime, while the rest was original.   I have a good muffler, 
> and a good resonator in the shed.  If you ever need either, you could weld 
> them on.
> 
>> Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> November 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM
>> So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off one of 
>> my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, picked it off 
>> the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I drove the car sans 
>> exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors loved me! As I was busy 
>> with a massive rental property renovation, I had no time until now to deal 
>> with it. Basically the pipe rotted at the flange where the front pipe and 
>> remainder of exhaust attach.
>> I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off rotted 
>> flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I then bought a 
>> new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for a grand total of $35 
>> including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, I effected a permanent and 
>> high quality repair!
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice work!  (as always)  I broke down and put new exhaust on both 
240Ds.   From crockauto the price is not so bad  I patched the 
exhaust on the 81 for 22 years.  the front pipe kept rotting away.  
Methinks it was a flaps replacement sometime, while the rest was 
original.   I have a good muffler, and a good resonator in the shed.  If 
you ever need either, you could weld them on.



Dimitri via Mercedes 
November 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM
So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off 
one of my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, 
picked it off the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I 
drove the car sans exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors 
loved me! As I was busy with a massive rental property renovation, I 
had no time until now to deal with it. Basically the pipe rotted at 
the flange where the front pipe and remainder of exhaust attach.
I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off 
rotted flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I 
then bought a new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for 
a grand total of $35 including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, 
I effected a permanent and high quality repair!






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Re: [MBZ] 240D exhaust repair

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

You are a wizard. Was this the southern princess?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 24, 2017 5:49 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> So the entire exhaust with the exception of the front pipe fell off one of
> my 240Ds last November while driving locally. I pulled over, picked it off
> the road and ratchet strapped it to the roof rack. I drove the car sans
> exhaust for the remainder of the winter- neighbors loved me! As I was busy
> with a massive rental property renovation, I had no time until now to deal
> with it. Basically the pipe rotted at the flange where the front pipe and
> remainder of exhaust attach.
> I bought a section pipe slightly wider than the exhaust, cut off rotted
> flange and welded it on, effectively creating a new flange. I then bought a
> new front pipe from Rockauto for a whopping $20. So for a grand total of
> $35 including shipping, new “flange”, and new clamp, I effected a permanent
> and high quality repair!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] 240D Inj pump timing shaft

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Replacement timer on left.  Timer on right shows the hub worn to concave.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Inj pump timing shaft

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A little jb weld will fix that right up.

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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Today I got back to taking apart the 240D.  On this one, the oil pump just 
> dropped out when I took out the last bolt.  The timer shaft is broken for 
> sure.See photos
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[MBZ] 240D Inj pump timing shaft

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Today I got back to taking apart the 240D.  On this one, the oil pump 
just dropped out when I took out the last bolt.  The timer shaft is 
broken for sure.See photos


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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil pump

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The problem is the bolt that holds the timer on backed out, rattled 
around for a LONG time, and in the end, I think the shaft that the timer 
drives to run the IP broke.  That is why I needed to extract that shaft 
from the known bad spare engine. (and the oil pump had to be  removed to 
get it out.)


No time to go back to the patient until this sunday or maybe next week.


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
October 23, 2017 at 9:03 PM
Any sign of the problem?


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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil pump

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Any sign of the problem?
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On October 23, 2017 7:06:00 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I finally got back to pulling the oil pump today.   The oil pump
>finally 
>came out.  I bumped up the top shaft that drives the oil pump with a 
>1/2" extension 12" long, then the IP drive shaft I was after fell out
>at 
>last!  Now to do the same on the engine in the car, and start getting
>it 
>back together.
>
>Next project is to suck the oil out of the engine in the car to remove 
>the front pan.  It will have to wait for the weekend, I am afraid.  
>Weather not so hot now either.  I may have to push the patient in  the 
>garage after I push the 240D back to get the tractor out, so the 240D 
>can go in.
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[MBZ] 240D oil pump

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I finally got back to pulling the oil pump today.   The oil pump finally 
came out.  I bumped up the top shaft that drives the oil pump with a 
1/2" extension 12" long, then the IP drive shaft I was after fell out at 
last!  Now to do the same on the engine in the car, and start getting it 
back together.


Next project is to suck the oil out of the engine in the car to remove 
the front pan.  It will have to wait for the weekend, I am afraid.  
Weather not so hot now either.  I may have to push the patient in  the 
garage after I push the 240D back to get the tractor out, so the 240D 
can go in.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes I totally agree. I miss my 240D's.

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> The 61x has a certain charm to it
>
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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 3:21 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> >> Kaleb wrote:
> >
> >> I take back the blow by part. After it’s warmed up it does have
> >> your normal amount of it.
> >
> > Sounds pretty risky.  I think you should sell it quick.  'Cause I
> > like you, I'll increase my offer to $325.  You don't really want a
> > W123 anyway - not after all those OM60x engines.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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The 61x has a certain charm to it

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On Oct 22, 2017, at 3:21 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> I take back the blow by part. After it’s warmed up it does have
>> your normal amount of it.
> 
> Sounds pretty risky.  I think you should sell it quick.  'Cause I
> like you, I'll increase my offer to $325.  You don't really want a
> W123 anyway - not after all those OM60x engines.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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> Kaleb wrote:

> I take back the blow by part. After it’s warmed up it does have
> your normal amount of it.

Sounds pretty risky.  I think you should sell it quick.  'Cause I
like you, I'll increase my offer to $325.  You don't really want a
W123 anyway - not after all those OM60x engines.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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So it looks like I’m going to have to replace the heater valve. The knobs 
seemed stick so I tried manually moving them at the valve and one side moved 
but discovered that it actually broke off. The other side does not budge. Seems 
like I might have one somewhere. 

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> That’s what I plan on doing but want to swap out the high side fitting first. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Better leak test is a small amount of R134 and then nitrogen, use leaker 
>> sniffer to check all the joints.  I pressurized to about 150 psig, I need to 
>> research what the proper test pressure is.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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That’s what I plan on doing but want to swap out the high side fitting first. 

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Better leak test is a small amount of R134 and then nitrogen, use leaker 
> sniffer to check all the joints.  I pressurized to about 150 psig, I need to 
> research what the proper test pressure is.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Somebody said I would never get around to getting this car going. 

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Attaboy!  Congrats on your new toy!!
> Kevin in the South Pacific
> PS. There are small Diesel crew cab PU’s all over these islands in French 
> Polynesia. We rode around in a 2013 Toyota Hilux manny tranny turbo diesel as 
> our tour driver took us  bouncing  and winding our way through the mountains 
> on the remote island of Nuku Hiva. It was a fun time!!  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well it passed the leak tests seems to hold vacuum just fine. I am not going 
>> to change in until I swap the high side fitting. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it might just be a crappy high side fitting. I removed the nut on 
>>> the alternator bracket that was in the way and can get the connector down 
>>> on it but just can’t get it to click to connect, like it won’t push down 
>>> far enough on the fitting. I may see if I can another fitting around here 
>>> and if so swap that out. Right now I’m pulling a vacuum low side only just 
>>> to see if it holds.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
 
 It’s cranking  over and starting just fine. I just did the  filters and 
 was going to change the oil but discovered I have no diesel oil on the 
 shelf. So I decided I would hook ac machine up and see what state the 
 system is. It has been converted to 134 and the high side is down by the 
 alternator. It’s angled to where I can’t get the damn high side connector 
 on, there is a bracket in the way. Crap. I may just pull a vacuum and leak 
 test from the low side then. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Weak starter?  Sounds like the rest is solid, just needs some sorting.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Better leak test is a small amount of R134 and then nitrogen, use leaker 
sniffer to check all the joints.  I pressurized to about 150 psig, I need to 
research what the proper test pressure is.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!  Congrats on your new toy!!
Kevin in the South Pacific
PS. There are small Diesel crew cab PU’s all over these islands in French 
Polynesia. We rode around in a 2013 Toyota Hilux manny tranny turbo diesel as 
our tour driver took us  bouncing  and winding our way through the mountains on 
the remote island of Nuku Hiva. It was a fun time!!  

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well it passed the leak tests seems to hold vacuum just fine. I am not going 
> to change in until I swap the high side fitting. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it might just be a crappy high side fitting. I removed the nut on 
>> the alternator bracket that was in the way and can get the connector down on 
>> it but just can’t get it to click to connect, like it won’t push down far 
>> enough on the fitting. I may see if I can another fitting around here and if 
>> so swap that out. Right now I’m pulling a vacuum low side only just to see 
>> if it holds.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s cranking  over and starting just fine. I just did the  filters and was 
>>> going to change the oil but discovered I have no diesel oil on the shelf. 
>>> So I decided I would hook ac machine up and see what state the system is. 
>>> It has been converted to 134 and the high side is down by the alternator. 
>>> It’s angled to where I can’t get the damn high side connector on, there is 
>>> a bracket in the way. Crap. I may just pull a vacuum and leak test from the 
>>> low side then. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Weak starter?  Sounds like the rest is solid, just needs some sorting.
 -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well it passed the leak tests seems to hold vacuum just fine. I am not going to 
change in until I swap the high side fitting. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I think it might just be a crappy high side fitting. I removed the nut on the 
> alternator bracket that was in the way and can get the connector down on it 
> but just can’t get it to click to connect, like it won’t push down far enough 
> on the fitting. I may see if I can another fitting around here and if so swap 
> that out. Right now I’m pulling a vacuum low side only just to see if it 
> holds.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s cranking  over and starting just fine. I just did the  filters and was 
>> going to change the oil but discovered I have no diesel oil on the shelf. So 
>> I decided I would hook ac machine up and see what state the system is. It 
>> has been converted to 134 and the high side is down by the alternator. It’s 
>> angled to where I can’t get the damn high side connector on, there is a 
>> bracket in the way. Crap. I may just pull a vacuum and leak test from the 
>> low side then. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Weak starter?  Sounds like the rest is solid, just needs some sorting.
>>> -- 
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>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I think it might just be a crappy high side fitting. I removed the nut on the 
alternator bracket that was in the way and can get the connector down on it but 
just can’t get it to click to connect, like it won’t push down far enough on 
the fitting. I may see if I can another fitting around here and if so swap that 
out. Right now I’m pulling a vacuum low side only just to see if it holds.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> It’s cranking  over and starting just fine. I just did the  filters and was 
> going to change the oil but discovered I have no diesel oil on the shelf. So 
> I decided I would hook ac machine up and see what state the system is. It has 
> been converted to 134 and the high side is down by the alternator. It’s 
> angled to where I can’t get the damn high side connector on, there is a 
> bracket in the way. Crap. I may just pull a vacuum and leak test from the low 
> side then. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Weak starter?  Sounds like the rest is solid, just needs some sorting.
>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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It’s cranking over and starting just fine. I just did the fuel filters and was 
going to change the oil but discovered I have no diesel oil on the shelf. So I 
decided I would hook ac machine up and see what state the system is. It has 
been converted to 134 and the high side is down by the alternator. It’s angled 
to where I can’t get the damn high side connector on, there is a bracket in the 
way. Crap. I may just pull a vacuum and leak test from the low side then. 

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Weak starter?  Sounds like the rest is solid, just needs some sorting.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Weak starter?  Sounds like the rest is solid, just needs some sorting.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I take back the blow by part. After it’s warmed up it does have your normal 
amount of it.

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> So just got done driving it up and down the road a couple of times, probably 
> 2 miles total. It drives fine except at about 50 it starts shaking so bad it 
> feels like it’s going to fly apart. Tires look great but are very old. I 
> rotated the blower motor fuse in its socket and the blower started working. I 
> replaced the air filter but not the fuel filters yet. I have plenty of 60x 
> style prefilters but I have not found the elbow style 61x filters around 
> here. I do have a main fuel filter though. Might possibly need the thermostat 
> replaced. Not sure as it never got up over the 80 mark driving it, but 
> sitting here idling it just now creeped over the mark. The mold smell is 
> probably because the trunk appears to be leaking. The rear window seal needs 
> to be replaced for sure. I also removed the oil cap while it’s running and 
> there is no blow by at all. Something I do not recall seeing in a 616. Every 
> one of them I have seen usually has a ton of blow by. Vacuum locks work when 
> engine is running, but do not as soon as it’s shut off. Got a leak there 
> somewhere. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> R
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> So after charging overnight the battery in the 240d said it was fully 
>> charged. When it came time to crank it over, just slowly turned. Battery is 
>> obviously not up to snuff. I then stuck another battery in it that was 
>> questionable but I thought I would try it. It did the same think. Pulled the 
>> battery out of Blue Bell which thought was charged but it did the same. Well 
>> crap. I pulled that battery back out and put it on the charger. I then 
>> pulled the battery out of the 95 e300 which should be full charged and it 
>> turned over better and acted like it wanted to start, but soon ran down. 
>> Hmmm. I got out the wheel charger and put it on engine start, it cranked 
>> over full speed and lit off, instantly running perfectly smooth on all 
>> cylinders. It runs beautifully. A sigh of relief. I tried a few things, 
>> blower is not coming on and of course ac compressor did not kick in. I am 
>> now going to proceed to replacing the fuel return lines, replace fuel 
>> filters, vacuum lines, then take it out for a quick spin. I will say in 
>> thing about doing the fuel filters on this car, it got me to thinking I sure 
>> wish they had put a bleeder pump on the 60x cars. Sure seems it would save a 
>> lot of wear and tear on the starter and battery.
>> 
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So just got done driving it up and down the road a couple of times, probably 2 
miles total. It drives fine except at about 50 it starts shaking so bad it 
feels like it’s going to fly apart. Tires look great but are very old. I 
rotated the blower motor fuse in its socket and the blower started working. I 
replaced the air filter but not the fuel filters yet. I have plenty of 60x 
style prefilters but I have not found the elbow style 61x filters around here. 
I do have a main fuel filter though. Might possibly need the thermostat 
replaced. Not sure as it never got up over the 80 mark driving it, but sitting 
here idling it just now creeped over the mark. The mold smell is probably 
because the trunk appears to be leaking. The rear window seal needs to be 
replaced for sure. I also removed the oil cap while it’s running and there is 
no blow by at all. Something I do not recall seeing in a 616. Every one of them 
I have seen usually has a ton of blow by. Vacuum locks work when engine is 
running, but do not as soon as it’s shut off. Got a leak there somewhere. 

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R
> On Oct 22, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> So after charging overnight the battery in the 240d said it was fully 
> charged. When it came time to crank it over, just slowly turned. Battery is 
> obviously not up to snuff. I then stuck another battery in it that was 
> questionable but I thought I would try it. It did the same think. Pulled the 
> battery out of Blue Bell which thought was charged but it did the same. Well 
> crap. I pulled that battery back out and put it on the charger. I then pulled 
> the battery out of the 95 e300 which should be full charged and it turned 
> over better and acted like it wanted to start, but soon ran down. Hmmm. I got 
> out the wheel charger and put it on engine start, it cranked over full speed 
> and lit off, instantly running perfectly smooth on all cylinders. It runs 
> beautifully. A sigh of relief. I tried a few things, blower is not coming on 
> and of course ac compressor did not kick in. I am now going to proceed to 
> replacing the fuel return lines, replace fuel filters, vacuum lines, then 
> take it out for a quick spin. I will say in thing about doing the fuel 
> filters on this car, it got me to thinking I sure wish they had put a bleeder 
> pump on the 60x cars. Sure seems it would save a lot of wear and tear on the 
> starter and battery.
> 
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[MBZ] 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So after charging overnight the battery in the 240d said it was fully charged. 
When it came time to crank it over, just slowly turned. Battery is obviously 
not up to snuff. I then stuck another battery in it that was questionable but I 
thought I would try it. It did the same think. Pulled the battery out of Blue 
Bell which thought was charged but it did the same. Well crap. I pulled that 
battery back out and put it on the charger. I then pulled the battery out of 
the 95 e300 which should be full charged and it turned over better and acted 
like it wanted to start, but soon ran down. Hmmm. I got out the wheel charger 
and put it on engine start, it cranked over full speed and lit off, instantly 
running perfectly smooth on all cylinders. It runs beautifully. A sigh of 
relief. I tried a few things, blower is not coming on and of course ac 
compressor did not kick in. I am now going to proceed to replacing the fuel 
return lines, replace fuel filters, vacuum lines, then take it out for a qui
 ck spin. I will say in thing about doing the fuel filters on this car, it got 
me to thinking I sure wish they had put a bleeder pump on the 60x cars. Sure 
seems it would save a lot of wear and tear on the starter and battery.

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[MBZ] 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I just noticed an oil change sticker in the window from early 05. The car has 
3k more miles on it since then.  From looking at the car I noticed a lot of new 
parts. Somebody has spent some money on it before they quit driving it. The old 
man said he spent about $2k on it. So after the battery charges up hopefully it 
starts. Only think I have to go on so far is it turns over but too slow and 
sounds like it has compression. With 240ds for some reason I run into a lot of 
them that have very low compression. Maybe that is due to them being so slow 
and people having to rev the crap out of them. 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I bet

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On Oct 17, 2017, at 11:28 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

 Kaleb wrote:
 
 Guess I should have ran the carfax beforehand. 
> 
>>> fmiser wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll give you $300 and take it off your hands.
> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> Ok but instead I will pay you.
> 
> You will _pay_me_ to take it?  I'm liking the sound of this!
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Wow so many great offers

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's ok.  I'll still give ya $350 fer it.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> October 17, 2017 at 5:53 PM
>> I guess I screwed up on this 240D deal. I should have looked at it closer. 
>> Anyway when I was loading it up on the trailer the front tow hook was 
>> missing. I have seen this before when somebody winches down on it wrong 
>> bending it down or back and snaps it off so I did not think a lot about it. 
>> I just ran the carfax and it shows to have had a salvage title issued in 93. 
>> It only appeared once and does not appear on the title itself at all. If it 
>> was an OK salvage title at one point it should still say it on the title. 
>> Miles are except due to age and carfax is red flagging it as exceeds 
>> mechanical limits. I suspect this is a carfax issue. It appears to have 
>> always been in OK and I don't see how they would have got salvage off the 
>> title. Guess I should have ran the carfax beforehand.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Kaleb wrote:
> > >
> > > Guess I should have ran the carfax beforehand. 

> > fmiser wrote:
> >
> > I'll give you $300 and take it off your hands.

> Kaleb wrote:

> Ok but instead I will pay you.
 
You will _pay_me_ to take it?  I'm liking the sound of this!



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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That's ok.  I'll still give ya $350 fer it.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 17, 2017 at 5:53 PM
I guess I screwed up on this 240D deal. I should have looked at it 
closer. Anyway when I was loading it up on the trailer the front tow 
hook was missing. I have seen this before when somebody winches down 
on it wrong bending it down or back and snaps it off so I did not 
think a lot about it. I just ran the carfax and it shows to have had a 
salvage title issued in 93. It only appeared once and does not appear 
on the title itself at all. If it was an OK salvage title at one point 
it should still say it on the title. Miles are except due to age and 
carfax is red flagging it as exceeds mechanical limits. I suspect this 
is a carfax issue. It appears to have always been in OK and I don't 
see how they would have got salvage off the title. Guess I should have 
ran the carfax beforehand.




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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:18:40 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>
> > On Oct 17, 2017, at 9:52 PM, fmiser wrote:
> >
> > I'll give you $300 and take it off your hands.
>
> Ok but instead I will pay you.

So you are paying Fred to take it off your hands?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok but instead I will pay you.

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>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> Guess I should have ran the carfax beforehand. 
> 
> I'll give you $300 and take it off your hands.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

>  Guess I should have ran the carfax beforehand. 

I'll give you $300 and take it off your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Nope

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Another car for the back 40?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I screwed up on this 240D deal. I should have looked at it closer. 
>> Anyway when I was loading it up on the trailer the front tow hook was 
>> missing. I have seen this before when somebody winches down on it wrong 
>> bending it down or back and snaps it off so I did not think a lot about it. 
>> I just ran the carfax and it shows to have had a salvage title issued in 93. 
>> It only appeared once and does not appear on the title itself at all. If it 
>> was an OK salvage title at one point it should still say it on the title. 
>> Miles are except due to age and carfax is red flagging it as exceeds 
>> mechanical limits. I suspect this is a carfax issue. It appears to have 
>> always been in OK and I don't see how they would have got salvage off the 
>> title. Guess I should have ran the carfax beforehand. 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I am thinking carfax screwup

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Carfax screwup?
> Passes the title check here:
> https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report.php?vin=WDBAB23A4DB379351
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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Another car for the back 40?

-D


> On Oct 17, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess I screwed up on this 240D deal. I should have looked at it closer. 
> Anyway when I was loading it up on the trailer the front tow hook was 
> missing. I have seen this before when somebody winches down on it wrong 
> bending it down or back and snaps it off so I did not think a lot about it. I 
> just ran the carfax and it shows to have had a salvage title issued in 93. It 
> only appeared once and does not appear on the title itself at all. If it was 
> an OK salvage title at one point it should still say it on the title. Miles 
> are except due to age and carfax is red flagging it as exceeds mechanical 
> limits. I suspect this is a carfax issue. It appears to have always been in 
> OK and I don't see how they would have got salvage off the title. Guess I 
> should have ran the carfax beforehand. 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 240D screwup

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Carfax screwup?
Passes the title check here:
https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report.php?vin=WDBAB23A4DB379351

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[MBZ] 240D screwup

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess I screwed up on this 240D deal. I should have looked at it closer. 
Anyway when I was loading it up on the trailer the front tow hook was missing. 
I have seen this before when somebody winches down on it wrong bending it down 
or back and snaps it off so I did not think a lot about it. I just ran the 
carfax and it shows to have had a salvage title issued in 93. It only appeared 
once and does not appear on the title itself at all. If it was an OK salvage 
title at one point it should still say it on the title. Miles are except due to 
age and carfax is red flagging it as exceeds mechanical limits. I suspect this 
is a carfax issue. It appears to have always been in OK and I don't see how 
they would have got salvage off the title. Guess I should have ran the carfax 
beforehand. 


Vehicle History Report™
1983 MERCEDES-BENZ 240D
VIN: WDBAB23A4DB379351
SEDAN 4 DR
2.4L I4 FI
DIESEL
REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Branded Titles: Exceeds Mechanical Limits, Salvage
3 Service history records
23 Detailed records available
This CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to 
CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have 
been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a 
vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next 
used car.

CARFAX Title History
CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt | Fire 
Flood | Hail | LemonAlert!
Problem Found 
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits  Alert!
Problem Found 
Alert! Severe problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles 
(DMV). This vehicle does not qualify for the CARFAX Buyback Guarantee. 
CARFAX Additional History
Not all accidents / issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss
No total loss reported to CARFAX.   
Structural Damage
No structural damage reported to CARFAX.
Airbag Deployment
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
Odometer Check
DMV title problems reported.
Accident / Damage
DMV title problems reported.
Manufacturer Recall
Check with an authorized Mercedes-Benz dealer for any open recalls. No 
Recalls Reported
CARFAX Detailed History
Mileage:Source: Comments:
4/3/85
26,534 mi.
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Tulsa, OK 
Title #H162531  Title issued or updated
8/29/89
66,048 mi.
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Okay, OK 
Title #H162531  Title issued or updated
8/15/90
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Okay, OK 
Title #H162531  Title issued or updated
12/17/91
100,436 mi.
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
CARFAX Advisor™
An EML title is issued when the owner discloses an odometer rollover to a DMV. 
Rollovers occur on vehicles with 5-digit odometers that go from 99,999 to 
00,000 every 100,000 miles. 

Mileage reported after this reading is potentially unreliable.
3/2/93
132,001 mi.
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  Duplicate title issued
SALVAGE TITLE/CERTIFICATE ISSUED
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
3/12/94
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Edmond, OK 
Title #H162531  EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
Hold on, it looks like the salvage title from Oklahoma didn't get transferred 
to Oklahoma when this vehicle was sold. This may be a case of Title Washing. 
Get an inspection before you buy.
6/29/01
232,100 mi.
Mercedes Benz of Oklahoma City 
Oklahoma City, OK 
405-236-1224 
mbokc.com   Interior cleaned
Vehicle washed/detailed
Windshield repaired 
7/8/01
Dealer Inventory 
Oklahoma City, OK   Vehicle offered for sale
7/10/01
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  New owner reported
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
7/23/01
232,106 mi.
Mercedes Benz of Oklahoma City 
Oklahoma City, OK 
405-236-1224 
mbokc.com   Cruise control switch replaced
Trim repaired 
8/21/01
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  New owner reported
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
10/17/01
233,232 mi.
Mercedes Benz of Oklahoma City 
Oklahoma City, OK 
405-236-1224 
mbokc.com   Vehicle sold
10/17/01
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  New owner reported
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
10/25/01
Mercedes Benz of Oklahoma City 
Oklahoma City, OK 
405-236-1224 
mbokc.com   Oil and filter changed
11/21/01
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
4/25/02
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
6/6/02
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
10/22/03
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  New owner reported
EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS TITLE ISSUED
6/9/04
Oklahoma 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oklahoma City, OK 
Title #H162531  New owner 

Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And if that approach backfires the owner will crush the car rather than
sell it to Kaleb at any price

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No no no, you've got him "on the hook", so your reply should be "Well, I've
> thought about it, and $800 is probably too much, I'll give you $600 today.
> If you can't take $600, then good luck with selling the car, please don't
> call me again."
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So the guy calls this morning and wants to know if I can come get it
> > tomorrow. Guess $800 is fair after all. He should have taken it 3 years
> ago.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No no no, you've got him "on the hook", so your reply should be "Well, I've
thought about it, and $800 is probably too much, I'll give you $600 today.
If you can't take $600, then good luck with selling the car, please don't
call me again."

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So the guy calls this morning and wants to know if I can come get it
> tomorrow. Guess $800 is fair after all. He should have taken it 3 years ago.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So the guy calls this morning and wants to know if I can come get it tomorrow. 
Guess $800 is fair after all. He should have taken it 3 years ago.

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> On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I went by and looked at that 240d I was talking about the other day. It 
> was a stick and not auto like I was remembering. Car is pretty clean, he says 
> it's rust free but I say mostly rust free. I had a little bit of the typical 
> flaking behind the rear wheels. Interior is clean, intact, but moldy from 
> sitting. It cranks over and sounds like it has compression but I do not see 
> any fuel in the prefilter. It also comes with a stack of factory service 
> manuals. Probably the complete 123 set. I told the guy I really wanted to pay 
> less than $1k. He said he would call me if nobody else came along and paid 
> his asking price. I guess we shall see.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Your going to need a car like that when the rocket man destroys our electrical 
grid with an EMP.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2017 7:58:28 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>So I went by and looked at that 240d I was talking about the other day.
>It was a stick and not auto like I was remembering. Car is pretty
>clean, he says it's rust free but I say mostly rust free. I had a
>little bit of the typical flaking behind the rear wheels. Interior is
>clean, intact, but moldy from sitting. It cranks over and sounds like
>it has compression but I do not see any fuel in the prefilter. It also
>comes with a stack of factory service manuals. Probably the complete
>123 set. I told the guy I really wanted to pay less than $1k. He said
>he would call me if nobody else came along and paid his asking price. I
>guess we shall see.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] 240d

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I went by and looked at that 240d I was talking about the other day. It was 
a stick and not auto like I was remembering. Car is pretty clean, he says it's 
rust free but I say mostly rust free. I had a little bit of the typical flaking 
behind the rear wheels. Interior is clean, intact, but moldy from sitting. It 
cranks over and sounds like it has compression but I do not see any fuel in the 
prefilter. It also comes with a stack of factory service manuals. Probably the 
complete 123 set. I told the guy I really wanted to pay less than $1k. He said 
he would call me if nobody else came along and paid his asking price. I guess 
we shall see.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D broke

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Or, re-secure the bolt and see how it behaves?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240D broke

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, vac pump, the timer, timer bushing, and IP are all suspect.  When 
I took off the vac pump, the bolt that is supposed to hold the timer to 
the IP fell out.  It was all chewed up, so I'm guessing the IP is 
FUBAR.  The timer is loose and wobbling, so the bushing at least is 
busted.  I hope the block casting is tough in there.  At a minimum, it 
will take a new bushing and IP and bolt.  I am betting the timer is 
messed up too.  The vacuum pump may be salvageable, but I have not 
determined that yet.


Near as I can tell, the bolt came out and this led to the cascade of 
problems.


To change the bushing, the front pan, oil pump and lower rail probably 
have to come off/out.


I have a lot of other stuff to do tomorrow, so I won't know for sure 
until I get the IP out to see the damage inside.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 7, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Maybe something broke in the vacuum pump/pump timer area?



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Re: [MBZ] 240D broke

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 Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:
> > this is an engine i got in VA, and rebuilt.  Starts and runs like new 
> > (until yesterday).   Driving yesterday, I heard a sound similar to a timing 
> > chain breaking, falling and then the camshaft breaking, but it was neither 
> > as long or as loud.  Had to ride home on a hook.  This morning I looked at 
> > it between monsoons and the timing chain is intact.  Fuel is being 
> > delivered to the IP, but no fuel from the IP.  Has anyone ever heard of an 
> > IP camshaft breaking?  It appears that I have a problem in the IP or 
> > possibly the timing advance unit.  The engine turns over and the engine 
> > camshaft is ok, and I can see the timing chain in the sprocket, so all is 
> > well there.  Just no fuel delivered at the nozzles.  The primer pump is 
> > nice and firm, so I know the fuel is getting to the IP.
> > Anyone BT, DT?
~
When I bought the first 240D I asked my German Indy if it was as bullet proof 
as the 200. He said it was except for the IP shaft (or something in that area) 
which could break and cost a lot to fix.
I was concerned for a while, but after several hundred thousand miles on two 
240Ds, no problems.
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 240D broke

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The timing advance is pretty robust.  The springs can break, but the IP 
still works.  It is possible something is wrong with the timer.  I will 
probably take off the vac pump first and have a look.  I don't expect to 
see anything out of the ordinary.  This Injection pump does NOT have a 
side panel access, so there is nothing I can see from the outside of the 
pump.  On a 621 or 603 there is an access panel on the side.  No such 
luck on a 616.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
October 7, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Maybe something broke in the vacuum pump/pump timer area?



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Re: [MBZ] 240D broke

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe something broke in the vacuum pump/pump timer area?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> this is an engine i got in VA, and rebuilt.  Starts and runs like new (until 
> yesterday).   Driving yesterday, I heard a sound similar to a timing chain 
> breaking, falling and then the camshaft breaking, but it was neither as long 
> or as loud.  Had to ride home on a hook.  This morning I looked at it between 
> monsoons and the timing chain is intact.  Fuel is being delivered to the IP, 
> but no fuel from the IP.  Has anyone ever heard of an IP camshaft breaking?  
> It appears that I have a problem in the IP or possibly the timing advance 
> unit.  The engine turns over and the engine camshaft is ok, and I can see the 
> timing chain in the sprocket, so all is well there.  Just no fuel delivered 
> at the nozzles.  The primer pump is nice and firm, so I know the fuel is 
> getting to the IP.
> 
> Anyone BT, DT?
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[MBZ] 240D broke

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

this is an engine i got in VA, and rebuilt.  Starts and runs like new 
(until yesterday).   Driving yesterday, I heard a sound similar to a 
timing chain breaking, falling and then the camshaft breaking, but it 
was neither as long or as loud.  Had to ride home on a hook.  This 
morning I looked at it between monsoons and the timing chain is intact.  
Fuel is being delivered to the IP, but no fuel from the IP.  Has anyone 
ever heard of an IP camshaft breaking?  It appears that I have a problem 
in the IP or possibly the timing advance unit.  The engine turns over 
and the engine camshaft is ok, and I can see the timing chain in the 
sprocket, so all is well there.  Just no fuel delivered at the nozzles.  
The primer pump is nice and firm, so I know the fuel is getting to the IP.


Anyone BT, DT?

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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That oil cooler was how we learned that a 240D does indeed require an oil 
cooler. Mine was fine unless you wanted to drive faster than 65mph then it 
would heat up...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 3:41:42 PM PDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, it was from me. I didn't know there were so many variants then - which
is why I had one to sell.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I've got one of the tops I bought from a list member (OK Don
> maybe?) some years ago but never used. I think I still have it.
>
> -Curt
>
>


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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

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Yes, it was from me. I didn't know there were so many variants then - which
is why I had one to sell.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I've got one of the tops I bought from a list member (OK Don
> maybe?) some years ago but never used. I think I still have it.
>
> -Curt
>
>


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for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bet it is but it'll depend on which car exactly. There are at least 3 
versions for a 240D:2 ports at the bottom1 port bottom, 1 port top large1 port 
bottom, 1 port top small
My '78 had the last one, my '83 had the middle, I've got one of the tops I 
bought from a list member (OK Don maybe?) some years ago but never used. I 
think I still have it.

-Curt
 

On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 12:19:24 PM PDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Probably not  - 4 cyl. vs. 5

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Same as 300d?
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

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Probably not  - 4 cyl. vs. 5

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> Same as 300d?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

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Same as 300d?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Two ports together at the bottom? I think I've got one, send me a reminder on 
Sunday and I'll check for you.
-Curt
On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 10:29:44 AM PDT, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Anyone have a 240D oil cooler they'd sell?  I need the later style I think,
all aluminum one, you can see the top peaking out in this photo:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/large-11.html

Thanks,
Jaime


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[MBZ] 240D oil cooler needed

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Anyone have a 240D oil cooler they'd sell?  I need the later style I think,
all aluminum one, you can see the top peaking out in this photo:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2015_01_04_240D/large-11.html

Thanks,
Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] 240D manny?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Why are the front seats two tone - or is that the result of uneven fading?

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> Which half?  This has been listed for awhile, wonder how rusty.  The pix
> show very little of the exterior.  Great deal if the body is solid.
> --
> Max Dillon
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> '95 E300
>
> On July 16, 2017 12:19:49 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >$1500 doesn't look half bad
> >
> >https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes/6180811944.html
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Re: [MBZ] 240D manny?

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Which half?  This has been listed for awhile, wonder how rusty.  The pix show 
very little of the exterior.  Great deal if the body is solid.
-- 
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'95 E300

On July 16, 2017 12:19:49 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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>$1500 doesn't look half bad
>
>https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes/6180811944.html
>
>-- 
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>large or petty,
>never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>of the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] 240D manny?

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> On July 16, 2017 at 12:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> $1500 doesn't look half bad
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes/6180811944.html
>

Nice.
A blue 240D with a black dash to prevent cracking.
Too bad the dash cracked anyway. 
Mitch.

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[MBZ] 240D manny?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$1500 doesn't look half bad

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes/6180811944.html

--
--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] 240D yuro for near Kleb price

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

https://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/6165465591.html

on a once over, it looks like a good deal. Too bad it is not a 4 spd or 
5 spd.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins (Resolved)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1981 240D  123.123

Got the electrical problem figgered out.  If Manfred didn't already have 
a keg of bier, (good, German) i'd buy him a bottle.  Manfred suggested 
fuse 12.  Sure enough, when I took fuse 12 out, the bottom stayed stuck 
to the fuse holder.  It looked fine, but was broken at the clamp of the 
holder.  I am out of red fuses here, so I robbed one form the sunroof, 
and all is now well again.


Mahalo Nui Loa


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
March 21, 2017 at 6:59 PM
Many fuses are downstream of switches and  get power only when certain
switch configurations are set.  F1, for example should only get power when
the light switch in park or headlight OR with the light switch in left or
right standing AND the ignition switch in off or acc.

You really need to look at pp 104-105 (power distribution) of the ETM and
identify specific circuits that fail to get power even with the switches set
right.  Power or no-power at any fuse doesn't indicate anything unless you
know the switch settings.

Basically, ALL of the power (except starter) comes into the light switch
first and most of it is fed from there to the ignition switch via two wires.
But there is also one wire from the light switch hot feed to the fuse box
fuses 2 and (I think) 6 that should be powered at all times; this wire it
also powers the windows through a relay.  Fuse 2 is supposed to power turn
signals (among many other things).  The two (a and b) window fuses should
only be powered if the window relay is powered through fuse 12 (ignition
switch in run or start).

Hope this helps.


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Cc: Curley McLain<126die...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all

have no

juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for headlights

and

tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.

Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a closed
circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be made by

wiggling

the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key counterclockwise.

The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>  March 21,
2017 at 4:51 PM Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole
lot worse on a newer vehicle.

RB




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Curley McLain<mailto:126die...@gmail.com>  March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical
gremlins in the 240D (81)

The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
not designed by MB/Bosch

These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis
grounds behind the cluster.

It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.

Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.

I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.



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Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
March 21, 2017 at 5:20 PM
Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, 
all have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them 
are for headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlight

Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[MG via Mercedes]

The fuses for the lights will not be carrying power till you turn 
on the light switch. Those would be 1,3,7,9,11,13. The lights are 
supplied power straight from the battery power bus, so the 
ignition switch will not affect them anyway.


That said everything points to fuse 12. Take the thing out and 
throw it as far as you can and replace it with a brand new copper 
or brass fuse.




Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all 
have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for 
headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights 
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital 
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even 
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.


Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
counterclockwise.


The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
newer vehicle.


RB




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Curley McLain 
March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
gremlins in the 240D (81)


The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) 
not designed by MB/Bosch


These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
grounds behind the cluster.


It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I 
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.


Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.


I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.





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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And don't forget to CHANGE YOUR FUSES

--FT


On 3/21/17 7:59 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Many fuses are downstream of switches and  get power only when certain
switch configurations are set.  F1, for example should only get power when
the light switch in park or headlight OR with the light switch in left or
right standing AND the ignition switch in off or acc.

You really need to look at pp 104-105 (power distribution) of the ETM and
identify specific circuits that fail to get power even with the switches set
right.  Power or no-power at any fuse doesn't indicate anything unless you
know the switch settings.

Basically, ALL of the power (except starter) comes into the light switch
first and most of it is fed from there to the ignition switch via two wires.
But there is also one wire from the light switch hot feed to the fuse box
fuses 2 and (I think) 6 that should be powered at all times; this wire it
also powers the windows through a relay.  Fuse 2 is supposed to power turn
signals (among many other things).  The two (a and b) window fuses should
only be powered if the window relay is powered through fuse 12 (ignition
switch in run or start).

Hope this helps.


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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all

have no

juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for headlights

and

tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.

Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a closed
circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be made by

wiggling

the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key counterclockwise.

The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> March 21,
2017 at 4:51 PM Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole
lot worse on a newer vehicle.

RB




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Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com> March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical
gremlins in the 240D (81)

The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
not designed by MB/Bosch

These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis
grounds behind the cluster.

It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.

Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.

I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.



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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[clay via Mercedes]

my w220 has been laid up for five weeks.  Still waiting for it to get fixed.  
Cluster rebuild is expensive and worth more than the car

clay

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a newer 
> vehicle.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 21/03/2017 4:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical gremlins 
>> in the 240D (81)
>> 
>> The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas) not 
>> designed by MB/Bosch
>> 
>> These circuits all went out at the same time:
>> Gas gauge
>> temp gauge
>> turn signals (4 ways work)
>> both window circuits
>> heater blower
>> 
>> Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis grounds 
>> behind the cluster.
>> 
>> It resulted in no change.
>> 
>> I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I would 
>> hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.
>> 
>> Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits in the 
>> fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.
>> 
>> I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my thinking 
>> is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does not appear to be 
>> the grounds  behind the cluster.
>> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The switch went bad on this car several (15?) years ago.  The 
replacement did NOT look as robust as the original.  It is not that bad 
to change if you are young and supple. Key  in the on position, and the 
plug pulls out.  3 screws and the switch is in your hand.


I have had one light switch go bad in 40 years and 15-20 cars.  I think 
that was on a 62 car.


I also replaced the big german switch on an Erka spiral mixer  (about 10 
HP)  It is about 4" dia and 6" long with all wires held on with screws.  
Takes a while to change all them!



archer75--- via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 8:34 PM
Check the connectors on the bus bar at the top of the right fender 
under the hood. I forget what all feeds from there. Loose or corroded 
connectors are unlikely, but you've checked everything else.
Also, the ignition switch module on the back of the steering lock 
assembly has a number of wires going to it and several multiple 
contacts. It's a complex switch, and considering how many things it 
feeds, could conceivably be the problem. Supposedly you can change it 
out from up above the drivers footwell, but it looks pretty difficult 
getting to it and switching the wires. I took out the steering wheel 
locking unit/key tumbler on which the switch is mounted to change it, 
and that was a PIA since MB designed it to thwart thieves.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Check the connectors on the bus bar at the top of the right fender under the 
hood. I forget what all feeds from there. Loose or corroded connectors are 
unlikely, but you've checked everything else.
Also, the ignition switch module on the back of the steering lock assembly has 
a number of wires going to it and several multiple contacts. It's a complex 
switch, and considering how many things it feeds, could conceivably be the 
problem. Supposedly you can change it out from up above the drivers footwell, 
but it looks pretty difficult getting to it and switching the wires. I took out 
the steering wheel locking unit/key tumbler on which the switch is mounted to 
change it, and that was a PIA since MB designed it to thwart thieves.
~~
Curley wrote:
> >Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
> >row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side,
> >all 
> >have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for
> >
> >headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights 
> >work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital 
> >meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even 
> >numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.
> >
> >Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.
> >
> >That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a 
> >closed circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be 
> >made by wiggling the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key 
> >counterclockwise.
> >
> >The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.
> >
> >> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> >> March 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
> >> Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole lot worse on a 
> >> newer vehicle.
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Curley McLain 
> >> March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
> >> Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical 
> >> gremlins in the 240D (81)
> >>
> >> The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
> >
> >> not designed by MB/Bosch
> >>
> >> These circuits all went out at the same time:
> >> Gas gauge
> >> temp gauge
> >> turn signals (4 ways work)
> >> both window circuits
> >> heater blower
> >>
> >> Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis 
> >> grounds behind the cluster.
> >>
> >> It resulted in no change.
> >>
> >> I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good,
> >I 
> >> would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.
> >>
> >> Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits 
> >> in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.
> >>
> >> I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my 
> >> thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does 
> >> not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.
> >>
> >>
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