Re: [newbie-it] ksirc o altri

2003-06-25 Thread francesco.melo
Alle 13:56, mercoledì 25 giugno 2003, tom ha scritto:
 On Wednesday 25 June 2003 00:36, francesco.melo wrote:
  Alle 23:33, martedì 24 giugno 2003, tom ha scritto:
   On Tuesday 24 June 2003 22:54, linuxnic wrote:
qualcuno usa ksirc o magari altri programmi per KDE e la MDK 9.1 e
che mi spiegasse come funzionano visto che con ksirc non ci ho capito
molto.
  
   ti consiglio Xchat semplice abbastanza snello molto
   intuitivo,molto simile a mirc per win (b)
  
Grazie a tutti
NIC
 
  io ti consiglio kvirc
  www.kvirc.net
   ed il mio script che trovi qui
  http://web.tiscali.it/princoscript

 riusendo a compilarlo sotta la 9.1 sarebbe una favola..
 ci ho provato varie volte,ma credo ci sia qualche problema con le qt
 (forse è una stronzata quella che ho detto).francesco,se mi dai qualche
 dritta sarei ben lieto di tornare anche io al buon vecchio kivirc (molto
 pesante ma molto bello.piano piano mi sto abituando a bitchx)

  ciao

diciamo  che  il tip più diffuso è per mdk :

export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3/
export KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde3/

prima di dare il ./configure

nel mio sito c'è un rpm testato della  beta due per 9.1 ma si trovano sul sito 
del kvirc nella sezionee snapshot degli rpm fatti da aronnax che per ora non  
hanno mai dato problemi .
poi se fossi interessato allo script  o hai altri prob nella compilazione 
scrivimi pure oppure mi trovi su azzurra  (chan #kvirc) ,  non vorrei  
spammare in questa  ML per cose non gradite :)

ciao
francesco




Re: [newbie-it] Rpm da una tarball

2003-06-25 Thread tom
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 15:45, Luigi De Pascale wrote:

Posso ottenere un pacchetto rpm direttamente da una tarball?
   (in modo da non installare schifezze in giro?)

sipero lo dovrai sempre compilare a manella prima
(per il come,passo.lo ignoro:)

 Ho installato 3 pacchetti da tarball. Se riesco a compilare un rpm
dalla tarball e poi installo l'rpm che succede?

forse sono io che non ho capito un tubo della domanda...o magari è solo 
ignoranza mia...
che intendi con Se riesco a compilare un rpm dalla tarball?
o è un rpm o è un tarball (forse mi sfugge la differenza)
cmq se installi su qualcosa gia compilato,con un rpm,non avrai altro che la 
sovrascrizzione dei dati gia esistenti 

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Re: [newbie-it] Rpm da una tarball

2003-06-25 Thread syd
* Luigi De Pascale wrote:
 
 1) Posso ottenere un pacchetto rpm direttamente da una tarball?
(in modo da non installare schifezze in giro?)

Utilizzando checkinstall hai la possibilita' di pacchettizzare nel
formato che vuoi tu (quindi anche rpm) partendo dal tar.gz. 
Naturalmente devi prima compilarti il pacchetto. La doc di
checkinstall ti dice tutto ed e' estremamente semplice.

 2) Ho installato 3 pacchetti da tarball. Se riesco a compilare un rpm 
dalla tarball e poi installo l'rpm che succede?
 
Non ho dimestichezza con il formato rpm comunque credo che potresti
avere duplicazioni di file che vengono dislocati in dir diverse.
L'installazione dei tar.gz ti ha posizionato i file in delle dir che
non e' detto coincidano con la struttura rispettata dal formato rpm
degli stessi tar.gz.
Ripeto.. ne so poco di rpm.

Piuttosto: sei sicuro che i tar.gz che hai installato non prevedono
un make uninstall? Magari ti conviene disinstallarli prima di
installarci _sopra_ gli rpm. Se hai ancora le dir dei sorgenti
spulciati i README e gli INSTALL.. quando e' prevista la possibilita'
dell'uninstall generalmente in quei file viene dichiarato.
Se le dir dei sorgenti le hai cancellate.. scompatta nuovamente i
tar.gz.
Si tratta di grossi pacchetti? Se la risposta e' no potresti anche
operare a manina cancellando i file installati (molti pacchetti
installati non sono altro che un binario una dir doc e spesso nessun
file lib*).
  


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[newbie-it] Giocare con Quake

2003-06-25 Thread Nicola Mt
Saluti a tutta la lista, mi sono iscritto da poco alla lista anche se uso 
linux da circa un anno e mezzo.
Sono riuscito ad installare e configurare quasi tutto quanto mi serve per 
utilizzarlo per lavoro, ma non riesco a far funzionare alcuni giochi tra cui 
quake, di cui ho la versione completa per win della versione 2 e 3 Arena.
Ho provato a scaricare la demo da IDSoftware ho installato quake forge.
Ma non cè verso di farli funzionare mi vengono richieste delle librerie tipo 
la vgalib e le estensioni openGL e una scheda grafica tipo NVIDIA.
Non sono riuscito a trovare alcuna istruzione chiara su come far funzionare il 
gioco con la mia scheda grafica (ho una ATI RADEON 7500).
No dovrei aver alcun problema di hardware.

Qualcuno e riuscito a far funzionare questi giochi?
Avete qualche notizia? anche l'Howto non mi e chiaro, qualsiasi aiuto sarà 
molto gradito

Saluti a tutti.

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Re: [newbie] slypheed: filters

2003-06-25 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
 
 hmmm, that option appears to be greyed out...
 

Hum that is odd - you were definitely clicking right on the top of the
tree where it there is a folder icon called Mail or whatever you have
called your mail box?

Works on mine.

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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-25 Thread Allan


On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 01:00, Damian Gatabria wrote:
 You wanna hear a funny one? If i choose ext3 for the /, my 
 soundcard chipset is not correctly detected... it still works,
 but the sound is lower quality and choppy...
 
 
 Damian

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Re: [newbie] slypheed: filters

2003-06-25 Thread Eric Huff
  
  hmmm, that option appears to be greyed out...
  
 
 Hum that is odd - you were definitely clicking right on the top of the
 tree where it there is a folder icon called Mail or whatever you have
 called your mail box?
 
 Works on mine.

Careful, though.  If i do it on mine, i get a warning about clearing all the folder 
settings, of which i have many.  I haven't tried it in 9.2, but if it's the same as 
claws, you can get rid of the nasty problem of people filling in their reply-to ...

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Re: [newbie] slypheed: filters (new question)

2003-06-25 Thread Eric Huff
  Ok, i am back on Slypheed 9.2, and have what must be a stupid
  
  How do i filter on the entire header?

 In claws,
 
 When you define the condition, you can choose Headers (then pick from a
 list) or Headers Part. IIRC you can put whatever you want after that and
 
 I assume that's the same in the non-claws?

Well, that's the problem, it's not the same in non-claws.  I got it to work fine in 
claws.

I'm not sure how it id's a header: it may just be that under header, i can type the 
first few letters of what i wand, then under keyword, the rest. 

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[newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-25 Thread Eric Huff
My gf rented harry potter 2 today.

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Re: [newbie] Boot error message

2003-06-25 Thread FemmeFatale
At 09:06 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
snips

Femme:
Give me a call when the price drops to $10. That must include the necessary
adapters and drivers to upgrade the various offsprings' collection of
proprietary and two-guys-and-a-goat POS. (Ever try to find a BIOS upgrade for
a TMC motherboard?) Until that glorious day arrives, I'll take very good care
of my floppies.
-- cmg
Well damn... ok you got me there... but still i understood there were 
diskonkeys that don't need drivers.  As for $10..ya i see your point 
there.. sigh
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Re: [newbie] how to config the lilo?

2003-06-25 Thread FemmeFatale
At 04:06 AM 6/24/2003 +, you wrote:
snip

 FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt
  ^lazy ;)
peace out.

tc,hago.
Guilty as charged.  In my defense I haven't run linux in um... a week or 
more...been too damn busy to screw around with it. Ty.
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Re: [newbie] No response on questions

2003-06-25 Thread FemmeFatale
At 04:09 PM 6/24/2003 +1000, you wrote:
On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 15:11, eric huff wrote:
  Espanol es muy facil comprender

 facil?   :)
Spanish
English
facil
lightly, easy, easily, light


Facile=French=easy=me

oops..that slipped
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Re: [newbie] nother sylpheed-claws question

2003-06-25 Thread Eric Huff
  I just built 0.9.0claws. In 0.8.11claws, I could click a message to read
  it and hit the delete key to delete it and it would automatically open
  the next message. It doesn't do that anymore, I have to click or hit
  enter or the space bar for it to open the next message. 
 
 Mine does that by default too - so its not a problem with your setup.
 
 I'll ask the sylpheed-claws list if there is a setting to change it.

This is strange: mine did that for awhile, then went back to the normal way: showing 
the next message...

Does it have anyting to do with configuration -- interface -- Always open messages 
in summary when selected  ?

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 and HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability

2003-06-25 Thread FemmeFatale
At 09:27 PM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
I had the same alarm bells going off.  The ONTRACK disk overlay and Linux 
have
always been incompatible (or so I thought).  If your bios has SMART
capability, I assume that your mobo is new, so I can't figure out why you
would need ONTRACK, except that ONTRACK is installed on your old drive.  You
must use ONTRACK to remove ONTRACK, if I remember correctly, because a simple
dos format won't do the trick.  My bet is that the ONTRACK manager is
fubaring your installs with modern systems, and your best bet is to use the
ONTRACK boot disk to rid your drive of it.  Mind you, all this stuff is from
memory, because it has been years since I used a disk manager.

e.
a low level format will fix it too...but most BIOSes dont' allow that 
anymore. shame. :(
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Re: [newbie] No CD installer for Unreal Tournament?

2003-06-25 Thread FemmeFatale
At 06:06 AM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

I cannot seem to get the ut linux installer to see the cd in the drive.
I once was able to find a version of the installer which just copied the
files and created the install dir, then I just copied the required files
fromt the cd manually.
anyone know where I can find this version of the installer?  I've tried
Google, Planetunreal, Loki, etc.
--
+ Joe Hill
UT or UT2K3.  If the former, ask Ron (aka Darklord).  IF the latter i'll 
email off list a reply.
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Re: [newbie] No response on questions

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 17:32, FemmeFatale wrote:

 Facile=French=easy=me
 
 oops..that slipped
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We already knew that, duh.
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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 20:43, Anne Wilson wrote:
 What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt 
 /Data/Backup/TreePad/
 cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or directory
 
 Anne

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Re: [newbie] Telnet and FTP

2003-06-25 Thread Ciprian Trofin
 Please, look at the following scenario:
 1. I logon to Linux box
 2. in the telnet console I initialize a ftp session, from the Linux
 box, to another machine (machine 2)
 3. I initialize a download from machine 2 to the Linux box
 4. I put the ftp process in the background
 5. logout from the Linux box
 
 In this moment, I expect the download to continue, but it doesn't.
 I if use the same scenario but I use wget instead of ftp, the download
 works in background even after I logout the Linux box.
 
 Question: it is normal that the ftp download stops after I logout or
 am I missing something?

SK What commands are you using for the ftp - a script? Regular commands
SK typed into the console?

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ftp ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
mget something
Ctrl-Z
bg
logout


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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-25 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 03:33, C. Tresenriter wrote:
 On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:03:55 -0500
 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Monday 23 June 2003 10:30 pm, Allan wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Does anyone know why Mandrake 9.1 seems to come up with different
   results each time I install it?  I installed it twice on my machine and
   another time on a friend's machine.  
 
 
 Glad to hear this, I thought it was just me.
Curt

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Re: [newbie] sylpheed 0.9.2

2003-06-25 Thread C. Tresenriter
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:11:41 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'll google for the manual - there has to be one right?
 
 Yeah, check here:
 
 http://sylpheed.good-day.net/
 http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/en/welcome.html

Found one for 0.8.3... maybe I missed it - I'll check again.



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[newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-25 Thread Technoslick
I'm running MDK 9.1 on an AMD K6-2/550. Recently, I imported well over 
a thousand I.E. Favorites into Konqueror. Konqueror has been really 
stable and smooth up to this point, but now I'm getting a rather 
weird result whenever I use KEditBookmarks. It takes the better part 
of a minute for the applet to load. When it finally does, any editing 
takes around thirty seconds to complete. The first half of that time 
period, you witness and incomplete screen rewrite. The second half, 
everything looks normal but the program is locked up as it continues 
to finish the process. The applet functions, but just takes way too 
long!

Has anyone experienced this and/or have any ideas as to what's 
happening and should be done to resolve the problem? Is this just a 
fact of too many bookmarks for my processor and/or Konqueror to 
handle? Any suggestions as to where to look to solve this problem is 
appreciated. I have other browsers, but would rather stay with 
Konqueror for now. 

TIA,

T

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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 5:37 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 14:22, Roland Hughes wrote:
  I have done 3-4 install's and everyone was different. I think
  mandrake is becoming like windows ( I am joking!).
  Roly

 It's really funny that last October I tried to point this out to
 people on the list, but no one believed me...

I don't remember that, Stephen.  I for one would have agreed with you.  
It's been so since I started using Mandrake with 8.0.  Of course, 
Femme's experience has probably run through all the possible 
combinations g

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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 12:03 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 20:43, Anne Wilson wrote:
  What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt
  /Data/Backup/TreePad/
  cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or
  directory
 
  Anne

 ANNE BROKE SOMETHING!
 (Fubar!)

Yah boo :-P

Seriously, though, I need to sort this, as it's part of my backup 
routine for between cd burns

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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 21:45, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 5:37 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 14:22, Roland Hughes wrote:
   I have done 3-4 install's and everyone was different. I think
   mandrake is becoming like windows ( I am joking!).
   Roly
 
  It's really funny that last October I tried to point this out to
  people on the list, but no one believed me...
 
 I don't remember that, Stephen.  I for one would have agreed with you.  
 It's been so since I started using Mandrake with 8.0.  Of course, 
 Femme's experience has probably run through all the possible 
 combinations g
 
 Anne

So you don't happen to remember that I was testing 9.0 installations on
several test machines here and getting different results from different
installations and that I was still a RedHatter at the time and was
casting doubt upon whether or not I could use Mandrake as my desktop due
to problems with the 9.0 installation and that I was awaiting the 9.1
distro before giving it serious consideration - and that I had mentioned
NUMEROUS times that I don't trust whole numbers in distros?

Geez...I'd have though that heaps of y'all would have remembered
that...(and I'm a man! To think that MY memory is better than a woman's
eternal memory? Wow...)(g)

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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 21:44, Technoslick wrote:
 I'm running MDK 9.1 on an AMD K6-2/550. Recently, I imported well over 
 a thousand I.E. Favorites into Konqueror. Konqueror has been really 
 stable and smooth up to this point, but now I'm getting a rather 
 weird result whenever I use KEditBookmarks. It takes the better part 
 of a minute for the applet to load. When it finally does, any editing 
 takes around thirty seconds to complete. The first half of that time 
 period, you witness and incomplete screen rewrite. The second half, 
 everything looks normal but the program is locked up as it continues 
 to finish the process. The applet functions, but just takes way too 
 long!
 
 Has anyone experienced this and/or have any ideas as to what's 
 happening and should be done to resolve the problem? Is this just a 
 fact of too many bookmarks for my processor and/or Konqueror to 
 handle? Any suggestions as to where to look to solve this problem is 
 appreciated. I have other browsers, but would rather stay with 
 Konqueror for now. 
 
 TIA,
 
 T

I'd venture to say it's got something to do with 1.) the amount of
bookmarks, 2.) file system performance and 3.) HD optimisation.

(Then again, I always say that, don't I?)

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-25 Thread Charles Roberts
John Richard Smith wrote:
I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second to 
test.

I'm not sure of all the implications.

I have a /boot partition. That means I will be overwriting the first 
kernel init etc, with the same, cannot think that is likely to be any 
problem.

Lilo will still be in the MBR, but it will have the script from second 
install,
because there is no option available these days to skip lilo 
install.Developers please note.

Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf  file.
but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong with 
the updates.

Not, to my mind, a satisfactory state of affairs.
I want to be booting everything from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf.
Question is how to do that.
F1-rescue - install new bootloader ,
but it's going to have two identicle OS's each with it's own /etc/lilo.conf
how will it know which to choose ?
In otherwords how do I tell it which OS /etc/lilo.conf script it's to use ?
each OS will have it's seperate partition, lets say for arguements sake,
M9.1 OS1 on /hda7
M9.1 OS2 on /hda6
can I pass some arguement in the F1 -rescue - install new boot loader , 
to tell it which partition to look for an  /etc/lilo.conf ?

Does say, F1 - rescue /dev/hda7 make anything useful happen to where it 
reads /etc/lilo.conf ?

I bet there is a way round this

anyone ?

John





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Hi John;
Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS:
1st OS install lilo in MBR
2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this 
root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS
Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like 
this: other=/dev/hda5
   label=Debian or whatever
In the 2nd OS lilo;

boot=/dev/hda5
root=/dev/hda5
everthing else normal
Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS 
lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os.

If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's.

HTH
Charles

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[newbie] Getting Mandrake's attention

2003-06-25 Thread owenb
How do I get a response concerning defective Mandrake merchandise?
I tried what e-mail and phone number I could find without any response.
I bought, The Definitive Manual for version 9.0 just prior to the 
release of the 9.1 version.  The book had nearly no use when the pages 
began falling out. Not one or two but in groups.  It is obvious that the 
glue holding the pages in the binding has a problem.
 All I want is a replacement for this older version manual.  I'm not 
trying to ding Mandrake for the 9.1 version.
I didn't have any problem having Mandrake take my money when I bought 
the book, the 9.0 software and the 9.1 software. 
 Does anyone know how to gain satisfaction?


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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday June 25 2003 05:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt
 /Data/Backup/TreePad/
 cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or
 directory

 Anne

 cp -fpuR *.hjt /home/anne/TreePad/ /Data/Backup/TreePad/
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Re: [newbie] Getting Mandrake's attention

2003-06-25 Thread C. Tresenriter
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:19:21 -0700
owenb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do I get a response concerning defective Mandrake merchandise?
 I tried what e-mail and phone number I could find without any response.
 I bought, The Definitive Manual for version 9.0 just prior to the 
 release of the 9.1 version.  The book had nearly no use when the pages 
 began falling out. Not one or two but in groups.  It is obvious that the 
 glue holding the pages in the binding has a problem.
   All I want is a replacement for this older version manual.  I'm not 
 trying to ding Mandrake for the 9.1 version.
 I didn't have any problem having Mandrake take my money when I bought 
 the book, the 9.0 software and the 9.1 software. 
   Does anyone know how to gain satisfaction?


If you post a request to the club forum, Deno should take care of it.
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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-25 Thread C. Tresenriter
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:50:58 -0400
Charles Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi John;
 Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS:
 1st OS install lilo in MBR
 2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this 
 root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS
 Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like 
 this: other=/dev/hda5
 label=Debian or whatever
 In the 2nd OS lilo;
 
 boot=/dev/hda5
 root=/dev/hda5
 everthing else normal
 
 Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS 
 lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os.
 
 If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's.
 
 HTH
 Charles

Surprising how many question asked here that respond to questions I haven't asked yet.
You people are good!
Thanks John for asking my question and Charles for the answer.
I'd be grateful to get a copy of your lillo.conf's
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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday June 25 2003 08:15 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Wednesday June 25 2003 05:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt
  /Data/Backup/TreePad/
  cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or
  directory
 
  Anne

  cp -fpuR *.hjt /home/anne/TreePad/ /Data/Backup/TreePad/

That won't work, don't know what I was thinking.

  cd /home/anne/TreePad/
  cp -fpuR *.hjt /Data/Backup/TreePad/

  That should do it. 
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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Alan Carbutt
Hi Anne,

You forgot your destination.  A common error that M$ crap, I mean
products, puts us into.  When you do command line copies in DOS the
default destination is assumed as the local directory.

++alan

On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 04:43, Anne Wilson wrote:
 What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt 
 /Data/Backup/TreePad/
 cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or directory
 
 Anne
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-25 Thread John Richard Smith
Charles Roberts wrote:

John Richard Smith wrote:

I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second 
to test.

I'm not sure of all the implications.

I have a /boot partition. That means I will be overwriting the first 
kernel init etc, with the same, cannot think that is likely to be any 
problem.

Lilo will still be in the MBR, but it will have the script from 
second install,
because there is no option available these days to skip lilo 
install.Developers please note.

Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf  file.
but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong 
with the updates.

Not, to my mind, a satisfactory state of affairs.
I want to be booting everything from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf.
Question is how to do that.
F1-rescue - install new bootloader ,
but it's going to have two identicle OS's each with it's own 
/etc/lilo.conf
how will it know which to choose ?
In otherwords how do I tell it which OS /etc/lilo.conf script it's to 
use ?

each OS will have it's seperate partition, lets say for arguements sake,
M9.1 OS1 on /hda7
M9.1 OS2 on /hda6
can I pass some arguement in the F1 -rescue - install new boot loader 
, to tell it which partition to look for an  /etc/lilo.conf ?

Does say, F1 - rescue /dev/hda7 make anything useful happen to where 
it reads /etc/lilo.conf ?

I bet there is a way round this

anyone ?

John





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Hi John;
Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS:
1st OS install lilo in MBR
2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this 
root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS
Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like 
this: other=/dev/hda5
   label=Debian or whatever
In the 2nd OS lilo;

boot=/dev/hda5
root=/dev/hda5
everthing else normal
Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS 
lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os.

If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's.

HTH
Charles
So if I've understood you correctly, in effect you're chainloading two 
lilo's  , one stored in the MBR(to work with windblows , chainloader 
fashion)and booting M9.1 OS1 from it's /etc/lilo.conf and a second lilo 
in the M9.1 OS2 situated in it's / partition,it seems a mite complicated.
In addition I'm not too sure how you get the second OS install to put 
the second lilo in it's / partiton, when the installer will be conscious 
of the windblows/OS1 lilo MBR presence and wanting to shove lilo in the 
MBR again.
currently I have,
/dev/hda1 W2000
/dev/hda7 M9.1 (straight install, no updates)
/dev/hda6 M9.0 (to be replaced with M9.1 , together with cooker updates)

At the moment so long as I have two Different linux OS's I can switch 
which OS /etc/lilo.conf file is read and run at boot time, by replacing 
the lilo in the MBR with either F1 - rescue - install bootloader from 
either CD1 of each OS.

The problem here is that I have two identicle OS's and I'm affraid that 
having just the one CD1 to do the F1 - rescue - install bootloader it 
will not know which /etc/lilo.conf to run at boot time.
This is because each OS has it's own /etc/lilo.conf in the relevant / 
partition. Maybe it doesn't matter so long as each /etc/lilo.conf is 
constructed to boot either OS, so that whichever /etc/lilo.conf it 
chooses to run , it will still have enough script to boot either 
OS.Still I'd like to be a mite more precise about it.

Maybe you are right though. Having two Identicle OS means having to 
lilo's to boot with.

John

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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 2:42 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Wednesday June 25 2003 08:15 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
  On Wednesday June 25 2003 05:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
   What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt
   /Data/Backup/TreePad/
   cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or
   directory
  
   Anne
 
   cp -fpuR *.hjt /home/anne/TreePad/ /Data/Backup/TreePad/

 That won't work, don't know what I was thinking.

You're right - it didn't g

But it made me think what else could be wrong - the backup dir is 
called TreePad, but the origin directory is called Treepad.  Duh!!

Thanks anyway

Anne

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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-25 Thread Technoslick
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 08:11 am, Stephen Kuhn graced me with:
 snip
  Has anyone experienced this and/or have any ideas as to what's
  happening and should be done to resolve the problem? Is this just
  a fact of too many bookmarks for my processor and/or Konqueror to
  handle? Any suggestions as to where to look to solve this problem
  is appreciated. I have other browsers, but would rather stay with
  Konqueror for now.
 
  TIA,
 
  T

 I'd venture to say it's got something to do with 1.) the amount of
 bookmarks, 2.) file system performance and 3.) HD optimisation.

 (Then again, I always say that, don't I?)

Stephen! That's not fair! You covered all your bases with that shotgun 
approach. ;0)

I don't doubt all those contribute to my problem. However, I was 
wondering about the way KDE stores and indexes (if any) the 
bookmarks. I haven't had the time to sort through all the imported 
links, but many were three levels down, and therefore are up to four 
levels down now. Maybe, KDE has a problem working with that kind of 
hierarchy? 

I have to sort though all these links, anyway. Many are now dead. As I 
reorganize them, dropping the dead and no longer intersting ones, I 
hope to find a workable compromise.

Thanks for jumping in, Stephen.

Anyone else experienced this? 

T

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Re: [newbie] Error when trying to load KDE and Gnome

2003-06-25 Thread Wade Waldron
There is a swap partition of about 150 MB.  I am running with 128 MB of ram.

Wade
- Original Message - 
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Error when trying to load KDE and Gnome


 I would suggest running with standard security until you understand your
 system a lot better. On 'High' the Mandrake security system (msec) is
going
 to make quite a lot of restrictions on you. Not being able to log in as
root
 is just one of them. As I said 'Standard' is still pretty darn secure.

 This is out of date, but still interesting
 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

 You can switch between security levels from Mandrake Control Centre.
 Trouble is you need to have X working before you can see it.

 The command 'df'  will tell you how much free space you have on your
 partitions.

 And finally. Did you create a swap partition?  How big, and how much
memory do
 you have?

 derek


 On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 2:33 am, Wade Waldron wrote:
  I have selected Higher Security, since I am considering using my system
as
  a web server at some point (after I have a much more indepth knowledge).
  The partition I am using is approximately 1.7GB in size.  I did a very
  minimal install when I installed Linux.  I installed the internet
package,
  as well as both Gnome and KDE, but nothing else.  I should have had at
  least 1GB of space left.
 
  Wade
 
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Re: [newbie] Command error

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson

Hi, Alan.  No - it's the wordwrap that split it.  It was a silly 
capitalisation error.

Thanks anyway

Anne

On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 3:04 pm, Alan Carbutt wrote:
 Hi Anne,

 You forgot your destination.  A common error that M$ crap, I mean
 products, puts us into.  When you do command line copies in DOS the
 default destination is assumed as the local directory.

 ++alan

 On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 04:43, Anne Wilson wrote:
  What did I do wrong?  The files are where I specified
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] anne]$ cp -fpuR /home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt
  /Data/Backup/TreePad/
  cp: cannot stat `/home/anne/TreePad/*.hjt': No such file or
  directory
 
  Anne
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake?

2003-06-25 Thread Douglas Bainbridge
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 05:38, Thomas Williams wrote:
 On Tuesday 24 June 2003 11:59 pm, rikona wrote:
snip
 Yes, actually there's a version 7.11 available at http://www.opera.com. I 
 can't really recommend it. I tried it and it worked great at first and then 
 for some reason it has slowed way down to the point its a pain to use. 
snip

I have it and use it occasionally as an alternative to Galeon, so far
it's good. Just keeping my fingers crossed in view of what you say.

DougB

 
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Re: [newbie] No CD installer for Unreal Tournament?

2003-06-25 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 03:36 am, FemmeFatale wrote:

 UT or UT2K3.  If the former, ask Ron (aka Darklord).  IF the latter i'll
 email off list a reply.
 -
 FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt

Oops, missed the start of this thread, as usual. :-)

Anyways, if its UT2003, the installer is actually (shock! Horror!) on the CDs 
in the retail box. You just have to look for it. Also, it asks for the disks 
using different names than whats on the CDs. The CD key entry is very exact 
as well. It does work (and how - takes almost 3 gigs of HD space!)

If its Unreal Tournament, it depends on what version you are using.

If its the Game of the Year edition, I use:
ut-install-436-GOTY.run

If its the other set, I use:
ut-install-436.run

There is also an installer from Tux Games that is on CD. I've used it a couple 
of times as well, but sometimes it does not decompress the maps from the CDs 
like its supposed to. I archived the maps from my existing install, or you 
can grab them from a Windows install, if available. Burm them to CD and keep 
them handy. I'd recommend this.

Hmm, I know there's a web page that details all this. :-)

http://www.lokigames.com/products/ut/updates.php3

Has some stuff, as well as the Linux Gamers FAQ. Its at icculus.org but I 
can't get there right now.

HTHs!

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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 3:19 pm, Technoslick wrote:
 On Wednesday 25 June 2003 08:11 am, Stephen Kuhn graced me with:
  I'd venture to say it's got something to do with 1.) the amount
  of bookmarks, 2.) file system performance and 3.) HD
  optimisation.
 
  (Then again, I always say that, don't I?)

 Stephen! That's not fair! You covered all your bases with that
 shotgun approach. ;0)

 I don't doubt all those contribute to my problem. However, I was
 wondering about the way KDE stores and indexes (if any) the
 bookmarks. I haven't had the time to sort through all the imported
 links, but many were three levels down, and therefore are up to
 four levels down now. Maybe, KDE has a problem working with that
 kind of hierarchy?

 I have to sort though all these links, anyway. Many are now dead.
 As I reorganize them, dropping the dead and no longer intersting
 ones, I hope to find a workable compromise.

Well, I think I can rule out one possibility.  I have several 
bookmarks at level 4 and one at level5.  I've just checked it, and 
it's functioning normally.

I'd say that it's the sheer number of bookmarks combined with 
resources.  As a test, could you copy your bookmarks file to a 
backup, then simply delete half of them.  If it's just numbers that 
will tell you.  If you still have a problem there's something else 
involved.

Anne

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Re: [newbie] sylpheed 0.9.2

2003-06-25 Thread Eric Huff
 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I'll google for the manual - there has to be one right?
  
  http://sylpheed.good-day.net/
  http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/en/welcome.html
 
 Found one for 0.8.3... maybe I missed it - I'll check again.

Yeah, i haven't found any for the 9 series either, now that i have actually gone there 
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[newbie] Re: Telnet and FTP

2003-06-25 Thread Björn Lundin
Ciprian Trofin wrote:

 Hello,
 I (sort of) administer a Linux box.
 
 Please, look at the following scenario:
 1. I logon to Linux box
 2. in the telnet console I initialize a ftp session, from the Linux
 box, to another machine (machine 2)
 3. I initialize a download from machine 2 to the Linux box
 4. I put the ftp process in the background
 5. logout from the Linux box
 
 In this moment, I expect the download to continue, but it doesn't.
 I if use the same scenario but I use wget instead of ftp, the download
 works in background even after I logout the Linux box.
 
 Question: it is normal that the ftp download stops after I logout or
 am I missing something?
 
man nohup ?
nohup wget something 
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Re: [newbie] Getting Mandrake's attention

2003-06-25 Thread Alan Shoemaker
owenb wrote:
 How do I get a response concerning defective Mandrake
 merchandise? I tried what e-mail and phone number I could
 find without any response. 

http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/contact/address

 I bought, The Definitive Manual
 for version 9.0 just prior to the release of the 9.1
 version.  The book had nearly no use when the pages began
 falling out. Not one or two but in groups.  It is obvious
 that the glue holding the pages in the binding has a
 problem. All I want is a replacement for this older version
 manual.  I'm not trying to ding Mandrake for the 9.1
 version.
 I didn't have any problem having Mandrake take my money
 when I bought the book, the 9.0 software and the 9.1
 software.
   Does anyone know how to gain satisfaction?

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Re: [newbie] nother sylpheed-claws question

2003-06-25 Thread John Drouhard
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:27:56 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I just built 0.9.0claws. In 0.8.11claws, I could click a message to read
   it and hit the delete key to delete it and it would automatically open
   the next message. It doesn't do that anymore, I have to click or hit
   enter or the space bar for it to open the next message. 
  
  Mine does that by default too - so its not a problem with your setup.
  
  I'll ask the sylpheed-claws list if there is a setting to change it.
 
 This is strange: mine did that for awhile, then went back to the normal way: 
 showing the next message...
 
 Does it have anyting to do with configuration -- interface -- Always open 
 messages in summary when selected  ?

Yes! Before I checked this option and clicked the down arrow, it would
just highlight it. When I checked this option, now it opens it! Thanks
for finding that!

John Drouhard


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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:49:37 +0300
Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 On the contrary, it said 
 that this growth in Linux would push MS's desktop market share below 
 90%, implying that only a smalll proportion of this Linux growth would
 
 be at the expense of Apple.

I missed that, thanks for pointing that out. Another case of info being
important in terms of its context not just its content.

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Re: [newbie] Getting Mandrake's attention

2003-06-25 Thread Lyvim Xaphir


--- C. Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:19:21 -0700
 owenb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  How do I get a response concerning defective Mandrake merchandise?
  I tried what e-mail and phone number I could find without any
 response.
  I bought, The Definitive Manual for version 9.0 just prior to the 
  release of the 9.1 version.  The book had nearly no use when the
 pages 
  began falling out. Not one or two but in groups.  It is obvious that
 the 
  glue holding the pages in the binding has a problem.
All I want is a replacement for this older version manual.  I'm not
 
  trying to ding Mandrake for the 9.1 version.
  I didn't have any problem having Mandrake take my money when I bought
 
  the book, the 9.0 software and the 9.1 software. 
Does anyone know how to gain satisfaction?
 
 
 If you post a request to the club forum, Deno should take care of it.
 HTH

You must be behind on current events.  Deno is no longer working with
Mandrakesoft, at least not officially.  Email is not supposed to be sent
to him.  However use  of the Club forums will probably get some attention
paid to the matter.

Try that and if that doesn't work then more stringent methods can be
explored.


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Re: [newbie] No CD installer for Unreal Tournament?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:55:30 -0400
Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 If its Unreal Tournament, it depends on what version you are using.
 
 If its the Game of the Year edition, I use:
 ut-install-436-GOTY.run

I've tried both versions, neither can see the CD in the drive.
 
 If its the other set, I use:
 ut-install-436.run
 
 There is also an installer from Tux Games that is on CD. I've used it
 a couple of times as well, but sometimes it does not decompress the
 maps from the CDs like its supposed to. I archived the maps from my
 existing install, or you can grab them from a Windows install, if
 available. Burm them to CD and keep them handy. I'd recommend this.

I'll check that out, thanks!

 Hmm, I know there's a web page that details all this. :-)
 
 http://www.lokigames.com/products/ut/updates.php3

Been there, the links seem dead.
 
 Has some stuff, as well as the Linux Gamers FAQ. Its at icculus.org
 but I can't get there right now.

ya, Icculus is worrying me lately.

Still, I know I had a no-CD installer, I wish I'd saved it

I'll try just running the patch then copying the files.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-25 Thread Ian Trickett
but we're not petrified yet

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:18 AM
Subject: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?


 My gf rented harry potter 2 today.

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Re: [newbie] slypheed: filters

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:02:15 +0100
Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Hum that is odd - you were definitely clicking right on the top of
 the tree where it there is a folder icon called Mail or whatever you
 have called your mail box?

I think it had something to do with it having probs reading the contents
of the folder. Plus I was installing claws right over top of sylpheed
main, and vice versa, I bet I've pooched some libs or config files
somehow.

It crashed, and when it came back, the read/unread was corrected,
*without* rebuilding the folder tree! LOL!

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:18:14 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Anyone care for any Mandrake Juice?

Hey, if it'll get me fscked up, send it oon, maaan

howzit goin with Pek? that next version of fbpanel looks really sweet,
thanks fer turnin me onto that, sometimes nice to have.

the latest idesk is really nice too, gonna try it out today...

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[newbie] Drive points / and /home

2003-06-25 Thread Dan Gordon
I am dual booting XP and Mandrake 9.1 on diferent drives.  My mandrake 
drive is a 5 gig drive.  When i installed i opted for the default 
format of / and /home and swap.  Now when i do df -h i have only 153 MB 
left but /home has not changed ad remains at 1.6 GB.  Can i convert 
some of this to / safely and will it give me back some room to work 
with?  How do i do this ? with diskdrake ?

Regards,
Dan Gordon
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[newbie] Our beloved in glorious action

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/24/2314234

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-25 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 12:53 am, LeaAnne Kolp wrote:
 After reading a Mac users post regarding Linux vs Mac on the desktop, I'm
 faced with
 countless questions.

 mega-snip

 Not knowing anything about this, I spoke with my boss, who has 20+ years in
 video
 production and editing experience. He said Avid machines are the defacto
 standard,
 and that the Mac isn't used. Furthermore, he said that the major Hollywood
 studios use
 equipment that the Mac just can't touch performance-wise.

Aren't most of the Hollywood high end graphics houses using Linux? Not because 
it's cheaper, but because it's faster and more powerful.

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RE: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 and HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability

2003-06-25 Thread Albert Charron
I don't know if the CRC problem is solved with WD, but I have 3 boxes
running Linux (Mandrake 8.2 and Mandrake 9.0) with only WD hard drives
(40 Gigs ATA 100 and 80Gigs ATA133) with no problem.  For now, they are
the best HD I've never bought (lot of problems with Maxtor and IBM HDs).

Albert

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Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 and HDD S.M.A.R.T. Capability


At 02:19 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Monday 23 June 2003 08:34 am, sstubbs wrote:

  Anyone know different?

Don't know if it has anything to do with your problems at all, but 
Civileme used to say to avoid WD drives like the plague... claimed they

did not do CRC stuff right, especially at higher DMA/UDMA levels 
:-(

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Someone on the OT list was saying that isn't the case anymore... SOmeone

care to post a URL to dis/prove this?  I have a WD here in my comp
now... 
it was cheap, i'm poor... i'm using the maxtor for linux though.  I may 
experiment after all...

on a side note, one partition got toasted by windows jsut this last
week... 
don't know why.  Guess which drive it was on?

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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-25 Thread Dan Gordon
On June 25, 2003 12:27 am, Barry Premeaux wrote:

 Check this link out.

  http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=Kvircsubmit=Sea
 rch+...

I tryed some of these and they wanted to remove a lot of kde stuff and 
window managers and andyikes.


 Some of the newer Mandrake versions are Beta, but they may be worth a
 try.

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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:05:56 -0400
Dan Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 I tryed some of these and they wanted to remove a lot of kde stuff and
 
 window managers and andyikes.

1. Go here and configure all your souces:

http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php

2. then as root, urpmi kvirc

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[newbie] isn't this how OS devel already works?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill

read the recommendations for software devel change at the bottom:

http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_25/b3838630.htm

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Re: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake?

2003-06-25 Thread DrewMartin
Hi Rikona,
There is a new version of Opera it's on their Website,and
the Rpm's are there.It installed with no problems,and ended up in the
correct short cut folder on the start up in both KDE and Gnome.
http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.dml?platform=linux .You need the
QT Shared RedHat 8/SuSE 8.1/Mandrake 9.
  Cheers
Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:59 AM
Subject: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake?


 Hello,

 I seem to remember someone mentioning Opera version 7+, but the
 version in the Club is 6.12. Is there a newer rpm version available?

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Re: [newbie] Drive points / and /home

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:02:40 -0400
Dan Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 I am dual booting XP and Mandrake 9.1 on diferent drives.  My mandrake
 
 drive is a 5 gig drive.  When i installed i opted for the default 
 format of / and /home and swap.  Now when i do df -h i have only 153
 MB left but /home has not changed ad remains at 1.6 GB.  Can i convert

153 MB left on which partition?

post the exact output of df -h so we can see what you see.
 
 some of this to / safely and will it give me back some room to work 
 with?  How do i do this ? with diskdrake ?

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:15:43 -0400
Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Aren't most of the Hollywood high end graphics houses using Linux? Not
 because it's cheaper, but because it's faster and more powerful.

yep, a lot of the studios are using Linux clusters as render farms I
think they call them. The days of SGI being the wizards are fading...

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Re: [newbie] Getting Mandrake's attention

2003-06-25 Thread Owen Berio
At 09:23 AM 6/25/2003 -0700, Alan Shoemaker wrote:

http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/contact/address
Thanks Alan,
  The phone # at this site is the one I referred to. What you get is a 
recorded message asking for your phone #.
In my case they have never called back.
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 for version 9.0 just prior to the release of the 9.1
 version.  The book had nearly no use when the pages began
 falling out. Not one or two but in groups.  It is obvious
 that the glue holding the pages in the binding has a
 problem. All I want is a replacement for this older version
 manual.  I'm not trying to ding Mandrake for the 9.1
 version.
 I didn't have any problem having Mandrake take my money
 when I bought the book, the 9.0 software and the 9.1
 software.
   Does anyone know how to gain satisfaction?
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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-25 Thread Inhabitant of Zion
I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.

I've never used it myself and never had anybody ever recommend it to me
either.

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[newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

2003-06-25 Thread Tango Echo
Hi all,

I have a MDK 9.1 KDE box that I would like to run a
bash script on start.  Becuase the script in turn
plays sound files, I would like it to run at the very
end of the KDE start up sequence or as soon as KDE is
up and running.  

TIA!

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Re: [newbie] printing to a Zebra LP 2844 thermal label printer

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 7:23 pm, Grant wrote:
 I've searched the Internet for a Linux driver for my printer and
 can't seem to come up with one.  Is there any chance of getting
 this thing to print in Linux without one?  I just tried to add it
 manually but Zebra is not one of the make choices (Eltron would
 work too, but it's not there either).  Am I SOL?

 - Grant

If you have a manual, check whether it offers any emulation.  You may 
be able to run a vanilla driver for it.

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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-25 Thread A. Talsta
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Dan Gordon wrote:

 On June 25, 2003 01:31 pm, JoeHill wrote:

  1. Go here and configure all your souces:
 
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 
  2. then as root, urpmi kvirc

 Did this and output was no package named kvirc
 lol i dont think someone wants me in irc rofl

Use Irssi or Xchat.


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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 7:16 pm, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On June 25, 2003 01:31 pm, JoeHill wrote:
  1. Go here and configure all your souces:
 
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 
  2. then as root, urpmi kvirc

 Did this and output was no package named kvirc
 lol i dont think someone wants me in irc rofl

Could it have been dropped in favour of ksirc?

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-25 Thread Thomas Williams
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 12:53 am, LeaAnne Kolp wrote:
 After reading a Mac users post regarding Linux vs Mac on the desktop, I'm
 faced with 
 countless questions.
 
 --
 1). I thought Linux had passed it already, but perhaps I'm confusing it
 with
 some other statistic.
 
 Please post a reference link. I'm not too sure on what metric you'd use to
 compare Linux 
 vs. Mac on the desktop. Sales? Downloads? Registered Users?

I don't really have a reference link. I had been reading ZDnet articles and 
saw things about more linux servers and things than ever before and merely 
presumed that they had already passed the Mac. 
 
 2). OSX is based on the mach kernal, a modular derivitive created by CMU and
 as such is not necessarily linux, but very close.
 
 Darwin uses a monolithic kernel based on FreeBSD 4.4 and the OSF/mk Mach 3,
 combining BSD's POSIX support with the fine-grained multithreading and
 real-time 
 performance of Mach.
 
 ( ref: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/darwin.html )

Well, I had originally read about the Mach kernel in a book on linux. In this 
book, it described the Mach kernel as being layered or modular. Hence, the 
reason for my description. However, I saw this as putting me to task to 
answer you. Here is a link I found that describes what I was talking about:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_kernel
I won't go into much detail since you can read it for yourself, but if you 
follow the links back to CMU you'll find that the Mach kernel is the basis 
for most of what you mentioned. You'll also find that the kernel is broken 
down into a microkernel and then small servers on top of that. Any time you 
have to start passing messages or making calls, depending on how you look at 
it, to servers that in turn must pass messages or calls onto other servers 
and the microkernel, it is inherently slower than a kernel where it just does 
it.

 
 Were Apple to be on the
 ball enough (and there's presedence to prove otherwise) they could very well
 capitalize on the linux movement by making their desktop envrionment run on
 linux installations and dropping the mach kernel.
 
 Apple is a hardware company.

Yes, and they are software as well. One of the things they don't talk about 
much is that they also have a red box version of OSX. It is Mac OS for 
Intel chips. I read several articles a year or so ago on ZDnet where analysts 
were saying that Apple should get out of the hardware business and focus on 
software. I'm not sure that's a good idea, but were they to move the OS to 
run on Intel and run on linux, they could conceivably do just that. Even just 
release the Intel version would help accomplish that.

 
 but it will never match a straight kernel.
 
 I assume you mean Monolithic kernel like linux uses when you say 'straight
 kernel.' The 
 way I understand it, the Monolithic kernel is an all-in-one controlling
 kernel and the Mac 
 kernel breaks every system function into bits called servers.

Yes, I was fumbling for words a bit when I wrote that. I did mean monolithic. 
Yes, a monolithic kernel is an all in one kernel. Whereas, the Mach kernel is 
supposed to be a layered or a server based kernel which consists of a 
microkernel and then layers or servers on top of that.

 
 Can someone explain in more detail how Apple has accomplished both??

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by how Apple accomplishes both. 

 
 3).Their niche seems to be graphics as it always has been.
 
 How about Music production? Or the Biotech industry? There are plenty of
 others...

Yes, there's music production, Biotech is iffy at best. I was working for a 
company that made a DNA analysis application that was originally only for the 
mac. They too had gone to a Windows version and were actually looking at 
phasing out their Mac version because more and more biotech companies were 
running windows. Even the companies that make machines that read DNA were 
hooking them to macs and have switched to using windows.

All, I'm saying is that Steve Jobs has said before that Apple would be in a 
niche market rather than trying to compete with MS. In fact, they sort of 
have to because MS invested some money in Apple a couple of years ago. They 
said at the time it was with no strings attached, but is that really true? I 
doubt it.

 
 Until Adobe makes a version of photoshop to run under linux, there will be
 a
 need to run Mac.
 
 I don't think Adobe's software availability solely directs Apple's future. I
 purchased an 
 Apple because I wanted something that would work right out of the box. And
 continue to 
 work every time I use it. Time is money and for every hour I spend fiddling
 with Linux 
 when I should be working is potential money being taken out of my pocket.

Agreed, but again, Apple is staying in a niche market and while Photoshop 
wouldn't make or break Apple, were Adobe to say they will no longer produce 
software for the mac, it would seriously affect Apple. In fact, when 

Re: [newbie] Drive points / and /home

2003-06-25 Thread Richard Urwin
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 7:14 pm, Dan Gordon wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mister]# df -h
 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/hdb1 2.6G  2.3G  145M  95% /
 /dev/hdb6 1.7G  126M  1.6G   8% /home
 /dev/hda1  29G   19G   11G  64% /mnt/windows
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mister]#
 as you can see hdb1 or / is getting smaller everytime i install
 somthing, hdb6 or /home does not change.

You could make one of the larger trees a symbolic link to 
/home/swhatever.

Favorites would be
/usr/local
/var

/usr/local would be fairly easy, but if you install everything from RPMs 
it may be only small at the moment. If you install from tarballs then 
it would be perfect.
/var is tricky to move, but it can be done.

Any experts out there like to say if /var is required at boot-time in 
the same way that /boot and /bin are? I don't *think* it is.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-25 Thread eric huff
 Hey, if it'll get me fscked up, send it oon, maaan

LOL!

 howzit goin with Pek?

I think the latest work solved the rox/crashing problem.  I'll try to
create a crash again tonite, then if it's good, post back to the pek list
as a success.

Sylpheed is sooo fast compared to kmail!  And it doesn't pollute my
process tree, either...

 that next version of fbpanel looks really sweet,
 thanks fer turnin me onto that, sometimes nice to have.

Yeah, seeing the list at the bottom keeps me informed about my place in
the universe..

 the latest idesk is really nice too, gonna try it out today...

Tell me how it goes.  So far i have been using rox.

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Re: [newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

2003-06-25 Thread John Drouhard
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
Tango Echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have a MDK 9.1 KDE box that I would like to run a
 bash script on start.  Becuase the script in turn
 plays sound files, I would like it to run at the very
 end of the KDE start up sequence or as soon as KDE is
 up and running.  
 
 TIA!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't ya just put the script in the
~/.kde/Autostart folder?

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Re: [newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

2003-06-25 Thread Derek Jennings
BTW: If you are using the OSS sound drivers you might find your sounds from 
your script do not play. This is because the OSS drivers can only allow 1 
application at a time to use the sound system, and the KDE 'arts' sound 
system will be using the sound card to play the start up sound. If you get 
this problem. Using the alsa drivers ought to fix it.  (You can check your 
alsa configuration here http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/  )

derek


On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 9:41 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 Right click on your desktop and select CreateNewLink to Application
 Fill in the details of your script in the window that pops up. You will
 then have a desktop link to your script. Then drag and drop the desktop
 link into ~/.kde/Autostart

 The script will then run after KDE starts.

 HTH

 derek

 On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 8:28 pm, Tango Echo wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I have a MDK 9.1 KDE box that I would like to run a
  bash script on start.  Becuase the script in turn
  plays sound files, I would like it to run at the very
  end of the KDE start up sequence or as soon as KDE is
  up and running.
 
  TIA!
 
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:37:07 -0700 (PDT)
eric huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

  howzit goin with Pek?
 
 I think the latest work solved the rox/crashing problem.  I'll try to
 create a crash again tonite, then if it's good, post back to the pek
 list as a success.

I've been abusing it since he announced the commit yesterday, no probs
whatsoever (crosses fingers).

 Sylpheed is sooo fast compared to kmail!  And it doesn't pollute my
 process tree, either...

oh, dontcha love it?! if it starts with k, throw it away.
 
  that next version of fbpanel looks really sweet,
  thanks fer turnin me onto that, sometimes nice to have.
 
 Yeah, seeing the list at the bottom keeps me informed about my place
 in the universe..

heh, ya, that's about all i use it for...and the clock...

  the latest idesk is really nice too, gonna try it out today...
 
 Tell me how it goes.  So far i have been using rox.

idesk should be better, less interference with Pek, I can still use my
wallpaper script instead of that clunky pinboard...

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[newbie] drive partitions and what they mean

2003-06-25 Thread crak600
I'm sorry to ask this again, because i asked something along the 
same lines last week.  someone even gave me a link for it, 
BUTmy hard drive was formatted out and everything is GONE.  
here's the setup

2 hard drives
20GB partitioned to 5gb for windows and 15gb for anything else
100gb drive unpartitioned and fresh

took FOREVER to get the 100gb drive installed, but it's finally up 
and running.  i had formatted out linux and ended up doing a re-
install of windows 98.  so to get to the questions i have...

i need a lnk explaining all the linux partitions or someone to tell me 
what they are.  i know one of the partitions is used for backing up 
the OS, and i'd like to store that on a separate hard drive.  i want to 
make sure i put that partition separate in case ANYTHING.

i've got 15gb to run with on my smaller hard drive.  i could dedicate it 
all to linux if need be.  the 100gb drive is a little faster than the 20gb 
drive.  100gb drive has 8mb buffer, 20gb drive has 4mb buffer, both 
are 7200rpm and 8.9ms seek time.  both are on the primary IDE 
channel, 20gb is master, 100gb is slave.  

as i already said, i'm sorry to ask the same questions over again, 
but i've lost everything, and i really don't know how to do a search 
for previously asked questions.  

also the intended use of my computer.(because i'm sure this 
helps to know)

music (constantly)
video (getting into editing and burning VCDs)
some gaming
school work (semester starts Aug 25...been 7 years and i can't wait 
to get back!)
web surfing

i plan to share music and video between linux and windows.  i'm 
actually going to partition my 100gb hard drive later on to separate 
them, or should i do this before installing mandrake 9.1 again?  
meaning, is it easier to have them partitioned prior to installation 
than it is to get new partitions working in linux?  (btw, diskdrake is 
MUCH easier to use than fdisk)

on a windows related noteafter using linux for only a week and 
then going back to windows, i find myself utterly lost in windows.  i'm 
addicted.  running multiple desktops is REAL nice, and i started to 
really prefer mozilla over internet explorer.  

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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-25 Thread Miark
We have to put these things in perspective: it's not a scientific pol.,
It may just be that more Gentoo types hang around Novell. And the
Gentoo people probably told all their friends to vote to make it look
more popular. How despicable :-D

Miark



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 I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.
 
 I've never used it myself and never had anybody ever recommend it to me
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[newbie] Multiboot on same drive

2003-06-25 Thread Johan Scheepers
Hi to John Richard Smith ,
May the following be of assistance - it is part of a previous message I
posted..
This is more detailed than the one posted earlier today - use them both..
snip
Something else I would like to point out - I used Mandrake9.1 install
partitioning to do the disk - when it reached apps to install I reset the
PC. I prefer mandrake partitioninig - more friendly for me.

This is for information only to someone who may need it.

Have installed 3 OS's on one disk - see below
I installed dos - then - redhat - then - mandrake.
Do not forget make boot disks.
They do not see each other or use each others partitions unless mounted.
When I installed redhat I let it install lilo - when you install mandrake it
will owerwrite the MBR with its version and this way you can test out redhat
before you continue.
Mandrake was last - I found in the past that mandrake is good at detecting
OS,s and configuring them in lilo. This time detected but used mandrakes
linuz  initrd.
All examples refer to my setup.
This just show the drive setup.
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hde1 * 1 101 811251 6 FAT16 - Dos
/dev/hde2 102 2494 19221772+ 5 Extended
/dev/hde5 102 1261 9317668+ 83 Linux --Redhat8.0
/dev/hde6 1262 1362 811251 82 Linux swap -for both
/dev/hde7 1363 2494 9092758+ 83 Linux --Mandrake9.1
What is importend for this to work is the following after all installs
done..
1. With Mandrake loaded.(your last installation)
2. Su in console.
3. mkdir /mnt/redhat.
4. mount -t ext3 /dev/hde /mnt/redhat - THIS IS VERY IMPORTEND otherwise it
will just NOT work. If redhat is not mounted by fstab (I dont do - only on
console when needed) If you should run lilo -v on another day - repeat 4.
5. cd /etc
6. gedit lilo.conf
7. add the lines as below and save.
8. lilo -v.   ( MBR ).
9. What is importend add /mnt/redhat to image and initrd - if you leave it
out at initrd -- command lilo -v will complain : fatal: no such file or
directory.
After a lot of grief I realized this.
snip
image=/mnt/redhat/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
label=Redhat
root=/dev/hde5
initrd=/mnt/redhat/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img
read-only
Enjoy
Johan

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Re: [newbie] drive partitions and what they mean

2003-06-25 Thread mike
Michael,

if you want to run win 98 or 2000 or any windows os alongside the linux 
it has to be installed first ( as it seems you have ) the 15 gig 
remaining is fine for linux set like this :

7gig for /
8 gig for /home ( there are more partitions you could separate out but 
you will be fine with these. )

If you wanted to run an additional os a /boot partition of 500 meg would 
be an advantage, but only if you want to run three or more os's

this gives you enough room for installs and personal files,
and with this setup if you need a reinstall all you need format in the 
future is the / partition ( don't need to reformat /home each time. )

the 100 gig will depend on what you plan on using it for.

for example if you want to do a lot of music or video editing and plan 
to use a windows based application to do it you could make it a fat32 
windows drive and place all of you work there. this would keep it 
separate from the windows os files so if you needed to reinstall windows 
you would not lose any work.

however if you plan to do the editing in linux then you would have to 
set at least part of the drive if not all of it as a ext3 linux drive
or another linux files system of your choosing.

I have a /win_cpartition
 / partition
 /home partition
 /backup   partition
 /tmp  partition
the extra /backup is for storage and backups
  the /tmp is because I load and unload allot of apps.
but this set up is just me, there are many many different way to set up 
your partitions.

hope this helps some. :~)

Mike

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry to ask this again, because i asked something along the 
same lines last week.  someone even gave me a link for it, 
BUTmy hard drive was formatted out and everything is GONE.  
here's the setup

2 hard drives
20GB partitioned to 5gb for windows and 15gb for anything else
100gb drive unpartitioned and fresh
took FOREVER to get the 100gb drive installed, but it's finally up 
and running.  i had formatted out linux and ended up doing a re-
install of windows 98.  so to get to the questions i have...

i need a lnk explaining all the linux partitions or someone to tell me 
what they are.  i know one of the partitions is used for backing up 
the OS, and i'd like to store that on a separate hard drive.  i want to 
make sure i put that partition separate in case ANYTHING.

i've got 15gb to run with on my smaller hard drive.  i could dedicate it 
all to linux if need be.  the 100gb drive is a little faster than the 20gb 
drive.  100gb drive has 8mb buffer, 20gb drive has 4mb buffer, both 
are 7200rpm and 8.9ms seek time.  both are on the primary IDE 
channel, 20gb is master, 100gb is slave.  

as i already said, i'm sorry to ask the same questions over again, 
but i've lost everything, and i really don't know how to do a search 
for previously asked questions.  

also the intended use of my computer.(because i'm sure this 
helps to know)

music (constantly)
video (getting into editing and burning VCDs)
some gaming
school work (semester starts Aug 25...been 7 years and i can't wait 
to get back!)
web surfing

i plan to share music and video between linux and windows.  i'm 
actually going to partition my 100gb hard drive later on to separate 
them, or should i do this before installing mandrake 9.1 again?  
meaning, is it easier to have them partitioned prior to installation 
than it is to get new partitions working in linux?  (btw, diskdrake is 
MUCH easier to use than fdisk)

on a windows related noteafter using linux for only a week and 
then going back to windows, i find myself utterly lost in windows.  i'm 
addicted.  running multiple desktops is REAL nice, and i started to 
really prefer mozilla over internet explorer.  

thanks to all!





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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-25 Thread FemmeFatale
At 12:45 PM 6/25/2003 +0100, you wrote:
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2003 5:37 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 14:22, Roland Hughes wrote:
  I have done 3-4 install's and everyone was different. I think
  mandrake is becoming like windows ( I am joking!).
  Roly

 It's really funny that last October I tried to point this out to
 people on the list, but no one believed me...
I don't remember that, Stephen.  I for one would have agreed with you.
It's been so since I started using Mandrake with 8.0.  Of course,
Femme's experience has probably run through all the possible
combinations g
Anne
heh so far ya... sorta

i swear each time I install its a new adventure in errors  tracking down 
weirdness.

-
FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt
Good Decisions Your boss Made:
We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 00:19, Technoslick wrote:

 Stephen! That's not fair! You covered all your bases with that shotgun 
 approach. ;0)

(Solly Cholly)

 I don't doubt all those contribute to my problem. However, I was 
 wondering about the way KDE stores and indexes (if any) the 
 bookmarks.

Doesn't it just suck stuff from say, a Galeon .XBEL and convert it into
a Konqueror formatted HTML page? I'm trying to figure out now exactly
how indexing is done, but not getting very far...

I do know, though, that it's stored in
~/home/usernamegoeshere/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml

...so wouldn't that really have to do with parsing a file of large size
- albeit an XML, but that would/SHOULD be a function of how Konqueror
parses the file...ya?

  I haven't had the time to sort through all the imported 
 links, but many were three levels down, and therefore are up to four 
 levels down now. Maybe, KDE has a problem working with that kind of 
 hierarchy? 

It's not really a hierarchy - in a static sense - it's a hierarchy
inside of the XML document, though...but overall, it's a static
document; Konqueror would be tripping the light fantastic trying to sort
through it and present folders as it were, along with their
contents...

 I have to sort though all these links, anyway. Many are now dead. As I 
 reorganize them, dropping the dead and no longer intersting ones, I 
 hope to find a workable compromise.

Check Status: All

...that SHOULD find all yer dead links - but from what I understand
already, it would take a fair long while, ay?

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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 00:45, Anne Wilson wrote:

 I'd say that it's the sheer number of bookmarks combined with 
 resources.  As a test, could you copy your bookmarks file to a 
 backup, then simply delete half of them.  If it's just numbers that 
 will tell you.  If you still have a problem there's something else 
 involved.
 
 Anne

If there are thousands of them, I'd still tend to reckon that
improving overall system performance, HD performance and drinking better
coffee might help...

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Re: [newbie] drive partitions and what they mean

2003-06-25 Thread Jason
This is what I'd do...YMMV.

See below.

2 hard drives
20GB partitioned to 5gb for windows and 15gb for anything else
When you say 15GB for anything else, I assume you mean it is a FAT32 
partition, so that the data is accessible by Windows and Windows sees it 
as d drive. If so, that is fine. I would leave that all as is. Store any 
data there (say music) that you want to be accessible by both Linux 
AND Windows. That amount of space will surely turn out to be too much 
for Windows later on as you use Linux more and more but it is a start 
and some space can be reclaimed later solely Linux if need be.

100gb drive unpartitioned and fresh

Here's what you do, make at leats 4 partitions. Make one of them the / 
partition (where the OS and programs reside), make that about 3GB, so 
you can install programs later without running out of space. Then you'll 
want a linux swap (rule of thumb is double the size of your RAM), things 
get ugly if you run out of swap space. After that make a /home 
partition. This is where all user files/data reside. This should be of a 
size that you think suitable of course. These users can also access 
data on other partitions if you give them permission to, so it's not 
necessarily a big deal. I would make that maybe 2GB since you have the 
space. The reason for making /home a separate partition is so that 
if/when you need to reinstall/upgrade the OS, the user config's and data 
stay intact. Partition the rest of the drive how you see fit. Maybe make 
3 more partitions just so you have separate places to backup stuff to or 
whatever. I use the ext3 filesystem and have never had any problems with 
it, plus it's journalled, so the potential loss of data during a power 
outtage or system crash isn't as dire. Others may recommend reiserfs or 
jfs I suppose.

Hope this helps!!

Regards,

Jason


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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 03:15, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

 Aren't most of the Hollywood high end graphics houses using Linux? Not because 
 it's cheaper, but because it's faster and more powerful.
 
 -- cmg

A good hunk of them are turning to linux because  you don't need to be a
rocket scientist to get a cluster going - so it's cheaper all the way
around - cheaper on hardware, cheaper on support, easier to get up and
running in a short amount of time, yadda yadda yadda...

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-25 Thread JoeHill
On 26 Jun 2003 08:32:03 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 easier to get up and
 running in a short amount of time, yadda yadda yadda...

apparently with Beowulf, you just pop a CD in one machine in a networked
cluster, and it installs itself!

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Re: [newbie] printing to a Zebra LP 2844 thermal label printer

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 04:23, Grant wrote:
 I've searched the Internet for a Linux driver for my printer and can't seem
 to come up with one.  Is there any chance of getting this thing to print in
 Linux without one?  I just tried to add it manually but Zebra is not one of
 the make choices (Eltron would work too, but it's not there either).  Am I
 SOL?
 
 - Grant

When I worked for Samsung Telecom America, we had Zebra's in the
warehouse - what a programmer ended up doing was to create a script that
would generate postscript and then be sent directly to the printer. A
distributor somewhere in Dallas tried to help out with the issue, but it
basically boiled down to doing it by hand - but in the end, it worked
flawlessly (and so much better than the original WinNT server that was
in place and had to be mucked with at least three/four times a day).

Have you tried contacting the manufacturer for any tips/hints/clues as
to how to get this printer working?

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Re: [newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

2003-06-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 05:28, Tango Echo wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have a MDK 9.1 KDE box that I would like to run a
 bash script on start.  Becuase the script in turn
 plays sound files, I would like it to run at the very
 end of the KDE start up sequence or as soon as KDE is
 up and running.  
 
 TIA!

Create a link to the script and put it in your
~/home/yournamehere/Desktop/Autostart folder.

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Re: [newbie] nother sylpheed-claws question

2003-06-25 Thread Todd Slater
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:36:07 +0100
Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  I have to click or hit
  enter or the space bar for it to open the next message. I can't find
  any setting for changing that behavior--is it supposed to be like
  that? I liked it better before!
  
 
 Todd the answer to this is:
 
 Configuration/Common Preferences/Interface/Always open messages in
 summary when selected
 
 Apparently there is also a FAQ (which contains your question):
 
 http://sylpheed-claws.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/
 
 best regards
 
 John

Great, thanks John! Back to (almost) normal now.

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[newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-25 Thread Miark
Let Novell know who ya love :-)

  http://www.novell.com/linux/

See the poll in the right-most column.

Miark

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